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| 00:00.00 | mikebledsoe | Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're gonna be talking about order and chaos. You know I think that there's a place for both and society as a whole likes to swing really really hard and me as an individual I do the same thing max. Thanks for joining for another Monday as we discuss topics that seem highly abstract and somehow try to get it to become practical for the listeners. |
| 00:28.90 | Max Shank | Yeah I think order and chaos could be the name of our show because it's really quite a chaotic ride I think it's an excellent train of thought that gets frequently derailed. But that's part of what makes it fun and interesting and not only do I think order and chaos are ah definitive of each other they define each other i. I think what you said is perfect. We we swing back and forth really hard from more order to more chaos and we try to get tighter control and then more freedom and ah you know more openness or more boundary setting and that back and forth ah can be. Can be really exciting and in societies actually None of the things that's really important about playing and especially wrestling roughhousing that sort of thing is understanding the line between fighting and play fighting and ah. Being able to introduce chaos in a safe environment because the whole purpose of society is to create order reduce chaos as much as possible so you need something to dose you. With chaos. So you don't become um a a sissy and sad. |
| 04:01.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that and it yeah said I mean the like for me creativity happens after things get shaken up I think about um, no structure is the structure forever. Um, we the human spirit desires for change because we also live in an environment. Ah, ah, ever present change and um, you know we got to if we want to have some stability. We do need to set up structures in society. We need to set up structures in our own life. But we also need to recognize when it's time to assess and reassess these things and I think creating those safe spaces like you're saying where we can't introduce chaos in small amounts or over a short period of time in ah and a confined space. Ah. Really allows us to not have to go through really big societal bits of chaos which I think we're experiencing right now. There's when I think about rites of passage for young men that has been. Ah, regularly conducted over Millennia and it hasn't really happened in american society in the last few generations and so nature comes along and says hey um. Noticed that you guys haven't introduced any of this planned chaos. Ah you know a rite of passage for a man usually involves being out of control and and being needing to submit to the universe and. And usually facing death in some way or the acknowledgement of death and it can feel It's a big pattern interrupt and pattern interrupts tend to be a little chaotic in nature and when a society or an individual. Has been comfortable for too long in their order then nature is going to come along and shake it up because everything's always changing and we may be fighting to keep it the same but at some point the environment's going to break the the individual or the culture. |
| 08:24.35 | Max Shank | Yes, and you also sacrifice some of the excitement of life if you imagine someone who was born in a castle isolated from most of the world. There's going to be None of order. None exposure to chaos and they may live their whole life in that environment and then have a child of their own that lives in that environment but eventually ah just like the seasons change and ah different. Creatures Rise up and overcome in different parts of the ecosystem. Ah the people in power never stay up there for long and the more you try to create order the more fragile that individual becomes because they're not dosed. With that chaos and that stimulus because our bodies and minds are always adapting via the said principle. So We're always adjusting to what's going on. So if you have no exposure to Chaos. You will be much more fragile. Ah. |
| 10:54.40 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 10:50.13 | Max Shank | By by definition. |
| 11:18.74 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I'm listening to a book by Ray Dalio right now I think it's called the rise of the rise of nation rise and fall of nations or something like that and he he he's talking about the 5 cycles through a society and. |
| 11:10.69 | Max Shank | M. |
| 11:24.51 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 11:58.14 | mikebledsoe | You know if you've read the fourth turning they they identify None cycles. He identifies 5 and these cycles last about 100 years or the the cycles last about 2025 years and there's 4 or 5 of them depending on which expert you ask? and basically what happens is it. Ah, you the society falls into ah each generation becomes more and more chaotic until it's unbearable and that everyone who's like and it usually ends in civil war and external war and then everybody says. Fuck it. We need. We need more order. You know the the economics are broken where everyone's fighting with each other It's it's highly disordered and then what you end up with is a whole yeah a whole generation comes comes along and is like starving for it. So they. |
| 13:04.10 | Max Shank | The big prick comes in. |
| 13:19.11 | Max Shank | Yeah, one and it's ah. |
| 13:52.30 | mikebledsoe | They're wanting I mean that that's basically how Hitler got the power right? Germany was experiencing an incredible amount of chaos and this guy says you know what? if you just do what I say then things will be better and and they were for a while. There's there's there's videos of like. |
| 13:33.19 | Max Shank | Exactly. |
| 13:52.97 | Max Shank | And it's frightening. |
| 14:31.72 | mikebledsoe | The the population gathering and arenas and exercising together. They were like very lockstep and everything was really good for a short period of time until the 1 person who was in charge decided to fucking go nuts and one of the thing. |
| 14:34.17 | Max Shank | Right? Where there's there's like a line where people are like you know we're really glad that this ah this dick really like got things under control. You know it was a little too chaotic I felt afraid there was pillaging and rioting and then that dictator. Crosses the line and everyone's like whoa, not like that and then and then it goes back to you know, just that did that to that to da today. |
| 15:47.14 | mikebledsoe | Um, well the the danger is is when you're when you're in ah and a highly ordered society like that the the amount of thinking by the individual is reduced because they don't have to make as many choices and so. They're less likely.. There's that slippery slope they're less likely to catch poor judgment from the top because it's been so good and just one value judgment at a time and next thing you know you're just killing a bunch of people. |
| 16:15.69 | Max Shank | Yo absolutely and you you can understand why that would attract people I remember watching this series. Excellent series. The dictator's playbook. The episode on Mussolini he's you know, given a speech from some balcony and he goes None italy None decision and everyone goes. Yeah, they are. |
| 17:51.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 17:24.61 | Max Shank | Onboard They want a so bad like None maybe hundreds. It's so many people and they were so excited that he's like look I will call the shots. You guys don't want to trouble yourselves with these minor details I will take care of everything and. If you've had a good lady or significant other in your life having someone make decisions for you effectively in ah is amazing like there are certain things like some. You have this comparative advantage where someone else now is responsible for stocking the kitchen stocking the bathrooms getting this taken care of like you know you have that division of management basically and it feels amazing. Like if you get the right person to make your decisions you are on Easy Street. It's just ah, absolute power right. |
| 19:55.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well I think I think the the happy medium with that because I agree is is you know when you have for instance in the United States you have if you had None person if we had a dictatorship you have None person making the. Decision for 350000000 people. It's not possible for the human mind to be able to grasp the actual impact of the decision on on the individuals and this makes me think about Dunbar's number you know was a. |
| 20:42.37 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 21:10.94 | mikebledsoe | Around None is about as many people as 1 person can keep up with in relationship after that you know people all kind of start looking the same. You don't make as much eye contact. You're not going to remember their names. You're you're not in community and this is why a lot of churches. |
| 21:07.45 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 21:49.94 | mikebledsoe | What they do is they break up after they get to about 150 members and then another church will open up. Ah yeah, and so these like that most churches do that. But in some churches become megachurches and have 10000 members or something like that. |
| 21:37.77 | Max Shank | It's like setting up little franchises with limits. |
| 21:56.53 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 22:28.92 | mikebledsoe | And that requires a higher level of leadership and hierarchy hierarchy has to be built into the system in order for that to happen. So when there's and the same thing for Crossfit Gyms all these crossfit gyms sprung up a decade ago and we all watched it happen. It. |
| 22:10.19 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 23:05.62 | mikebledsoe | It was a very community driven thing and when it got about 150 members 1 member goes I could do this better. They go open another gym and then they pull some of the gym members away and it's it's just like church and. |
| 22:53.27 | Max Shank | Ah, crossfits are like church well said I agree there are a lot of similarities there I'm on board. |
| 23:41.28 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, there's a lot of similarities. Yeah, but I think it's a really great demonstration of Dumbbar's number and that the person the person that I'm gonna trust to help. |
| 23:29.31 | Max Shank | O. |
| 24:13.36 | mikebledsoe | So make decisions for me right? There's somebody on my team and my company my girlfriend my close group of friends. You know, somebody's organizing a ah ah week long vacation I don't even ask me any questions. They just tell me how much money to throw in the pot and then I show up I'm okay with that. But when we start dealing with people I've never met before and have never met me and now they're making decisions on my behalf I think that becomes problematic. |
| 24:31.63 | Max Shank | Well, yeah I mean that's that's trust right there I mean who who you choose to trust is a really important choice choosing the right doctor instead of the wrong doctor. Choosing the right trainer instead of the wrong trainer right? Coach instead of the wrong coach and it's not that there it was an absolute good and an absolute bad.. It's just whether or not the resultant partnership or collaboration is gonna be constructive or not because. Some people respond really well to ah stick-based motivation and competitiveness and some people respond way better to carrot-based motivation and creativity and Non-competitiveness. So just finding the right? um. Partnership there like who do you trust with that area of your life is massive. |
| 26:59.62 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and going into trust I think one of the reasons we're we're in a massive amount of chaos in our society right now is because there is a lack of trust you know nobody like like the trust of the media is an all time low. |
| 26:43.99 | Max Shank | Um, well yeah. |
| 27:37.62 | mikebledsoe | Politicians is an all time low you you ask the average american and they'll just be like yeah the the news and the the politicians are all full of shit. You know there's probably twenty thirty percent think it's still good. But. |
| 27:25.71 | Max Shank | Which I think is which I think is good I think ah like a skeptical society will actually come up with better solutions but trust saves Calories. Ah the whole Concept. Of a group is built on trust the the whole the whole thing is trust based ah fiat currency all these different things you're trusting that the person in charge is going to do. What's best for You. You're trusting that. Um. You know if you help out with the hunt that you're going to get some of the bounty from that hunt and that we're all going to be part of this unit. We're going to look out for each other.. It's like you scratch my back I'll scratch yours and having those relationships. Is the most powerful thing there is like I think of one of the best survival tools as a radical Rolodex So Just having the right array of people that you can call experts in different fields. But more importantly people that you trust to give you. Real solid Answer. So our whole response to bringing order into chaos bringing order out of chaos is based on faith or Trust. Ah, even if you take it from a religious standpoint. You are putting your faith or trust in a supreme being that we cannot see so it's all it's all trust you could say that? yeah. |
| 31:12.48 | mikebledsoe | Know or or you could say that that supreme being is everything and everywhere and you see it all the time. But yeah, that's what I say. Ah. |
| 31:13.51 | Max Shank | I'm pretty sure God is a butterfly. It's the butterfly God Yeah, the other all the other ones are not true I mean I'm pretty religious but it's definitely the butterfly god. |
| 31:45.94 | mikebledsoe | The Butterfly god. |
| 32:04.78 | mikebledsoe | There you go. So I I think I think back to like personal experiences with order and chaos and I watch I look at my own life and I watch my own self I'm one of those people that the pendulum swings pretty hard. I Think for some people the pendulum kind of hangs out in the middle for me. It's I go really deep into chaos and then really deep into order and ah, there's not a lot of time spent in the middle. But for me I think that helps with ah. |
| 32:39.39 | Max Shank | Go. |
| 33:23.50 | mikebledsoe | More progress is it's definitely not the less least painful way of going about it. But I find it's not for everybody but when I'm but everyone does experience that everyone goes to these cycles of order and chaos and the when I go into. |
| 33:06.10 | Max Shank | It's not for everybody. |
| 33:59.68 | mikebledsoe | Times of order what I see is a destruction of the structures. Ah that I had set up in my life previously. Whatever rituals or routines that I had previously were swept away So a really good example of this is I went I sold all my things. |
| 33:32.25 | Max Shank | Length. |
| 34:39.80 | mikebledsoe | Got down to two bags and went nomadic for a few years I really didn't have much of anything I left my books with some friends. Yeah yeah, dude I I did some crazy shit Um, during that time it was it. |
| 34:20.60 | Max Shank | Speaking of a rite of passage right? feels like a rite of passage. |
| 35:15.32 | mikebledsoe | I destroyed everything like I I left the business I had spent years building I ended up getting divorced I was traveling didn't have a home the level of novelty that was always present was so high that getting making progress on any None thing was. Was close to impossible including taking care of my own health and but it was a really necessary time for me to reestablish a new structure so I needed to I desired a. |
| 35:29.75 | Max Shank | A. |
| 36:26.78 | mikebledsoe | New structure so much that I had to I had to really flatten the building I had to rebuild some people are just renovating their house all the time I needed to it was a teardown say my life is a Teardown. Let's just go back down to the slab. Let's go down to the slab and then rethink the floor plan. |
| 36:11.45 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 37:05.66 | mikebledsoe | And everything so the I think I think the reason yeah I think the reason people don't do that is because well when you've been living under 1 structure your whole life going back to the and rebuilding new floor plan. You have no idea what to do so there's there's the lack of. |
| 36:39.21 | Max Shank | Takes a lot more time to do that. Also. |
| 37:43.52 | mikebledsoe | Knowledge that can be scary for people to do that demolition plan and then the the knowing that man I I spent say None building this one house and now I'm just going to completely demolish it and start over I know that what I build next is going to be so much better. But. |
| 37:35.91 | Max Shank | Her. |
| 38:23.36 | mikebledsoe | That's a lot of work. |
| 37:56.33 | Max Shank | And absolutely and it's even ah, depending on. Ah how you're wired. It's more like choosing which limb to cut off because it's a part of you is like you're. |
| 38:54.38 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 38:30.73 | Max Shank | Your identity is wrapped up into whatever it is you have going on this marriage this business this habit this thing over here to like strip those away and start coming to the I I think. Crazy shocking realization that most of your like baggage and Bullshit was just thoughtlessly inherited just thoughtlessly and you you weren't like trying to inherit it. It was just Monkey See Monkey Do Bing Bam boom. |
| 39:58.54 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 39:48.63 | Max Shank | And you're like now I'm this and you get wrapped up into like I'm this and this is good cause I'm good and that's what I'm trying to say all the time. So why would you want to let that go in exchange for something that is unknown right? because that's what really scares people is like I'll take this from. |
| 40:44.56 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and. |
| 40:26.73 | Max Shank | Familiar pain to the unknown that is like I don't know if it's a devil's bargain or a fool's bargain but it doesn't sound like a good deal and yet that's what most of us make is we'll take the familiar pain I'll take familiar pain again. Thank you compared to the unknown. |
| 41:28.26 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, there's um I think in the landmark education they call it the winning strategy. So it's it's a strategy that you learn at a young age where you go Oh if I behave like this. |
| 41:03.49 | Max Shank | Ah, no yeah. |
| 41:17.77 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 41:29.70 | Max Shank | Um, ah yeah. |
| 42:04.72 | mikebledsoe | Then this happens or I get to avoid this by being like this I get to you know my dad got mad at me 1 time for doing this. You know I'll never do anything that resembles that ever again and now you become now that that becomes part of who you are and forms the personality and it becomes a winning strategy and. |
| 41:39.89 | Max Shank | Totally. |
| 42:15.71 | Max Shank | Oh man. |
| 42:44.80 | mikebledsoe | And you end up and you get the reward at a young age and then you start collecting evidence for that being a winning strategy. Yeah, you're like oh and you're unable to see where it's not working because it's the only thing that's present. So this is what creates the blind spots. |
| 42:27.79 | Max Shank | Um, it's like heroin. Oh my god. |
| 42:45.71 | Max Shank | Man. |
| 43:23.54 | mikebledsoe | And the the winning strategy is something that is very difficult to let go because it is usually very responsible for a lot of success in your life like somebody may their winning strategy may be shit talking themselves and that's and they overcome it like the beside Navy Seal's name. |
| 43:21.95 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 44:01.38 | mikebledsoe | Who are ah David Goggins yeah I mean he's he's highly accomplished but he seems miserable as fuck and so he he seems like it is like like he's a perfect example. David Goggins is a perfect example of somebody who. |
| 43:36.69 | Max Shank | Goggins. Yeah. |
| 44:41.32 | mikebledsoe | Has a winning strategy. It's getting him some type of reward. But it's costing him so much in his life that he's completely unaware of and doesn't he doesn't value it because he hasn't touched it yet and yet I've met I mean I went through this myself I went from becoming successful. |
| 44:37.30 | Max Shank | When. |
| 45:16.80 | mikebledsoe | Shit talking myself and what I was trying to avoid versus you know, ah talking to myself like I was a how would I talk to a None ar old. Well, that's probably how I should talk to myself and so anyways going back to the the people are afraid to give up that. Winning strategy because they're afraid that if they let go of that piece that that piece of their identity. They're not going to be good at something anymore and being good at something is what's earned them. Love. |
| 45:46.51 | Max Shank | Oh my God It's like a tool. It's It's like you're setting down your sword before you waltz into the Dragons Den It's like when I was a kid I learned about lying now. Okay, lying is a strategy. |
| 46:30.44 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 46:24.11 | Max Shank | That has almost no limits to it in terms of what you can get for Yourself. You can get out of trouble instantly so I was lying all the time growing up as soon as I was able to get away with it I mean what's a better rush than that and there are all kinds of behaviors like that. That they work so you just keep doing them. |
| 47:34.92 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah, they work and then until they don't right? and this is this is where you know, um when we did when in psychology when when we look at like stages of development and. |
| 47:19.29 | Max Shank | Until they don't. |
| 48:13.72 | mikebledsoe | What ends up happening is the the things that that move you into one stage of development will end up being the things that hold you back from the next and in fact, when if you look at say the the model of spiral dynamics for psychology and and human development is you're actually moving from. Um. |
| 47:59.71 | Max Shank | A. |
| 48:52.36 | mikebledsoe | More of an eye oriented to a we oriented but there's also a bit of chaos and order on either side of that as well. So it's more of a spiral so you got we and I so some stages are more we oriented some stages more eye oriented but then it's it's not ah, it's not a straight line back and forth. It's ah it's a spiral. |
| 48:40.75 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 49:29.10 | mikebledsoe | And in between the eye and the we is is chaos and when you're making the transition and then you've got to bring the order back and so for people to want that chaos in their life. They usually have to be really unhappy with the way something's going on in their life. People when I think about this I think about ah people that have dysfunctional patterns of behavior and a lot of people I think think about oh I have anxiety or I have like some type of system a symptom that might show up in the Dsm um, Dsm whatever it is the. Psychology playbook of symptoms and diagnoses and they they think oh I've got this I'm suffering from this thing and that's the dysfunction. But it's not the best way to find dys function in your life is to just to see what's not working. What what do you desire to be different in your life but you can't seem to get there that to me that demonstrates that there's some type of dysfunction and usually people believe that there's nothing they can do about it. But once they get a hint. And they're just fucking sick and tired of this thing being true in their life. You're like you know I'm gonna do something about it fuck it and then they start digging deep and there's a lot of work to be done there but that that itself becomes chaotic because as you start making changes in your life. You basically have to start behaving differently for everyone else in your life. And they do not like that because they expect you to behave a certain way and that that creates relational chaos. |
| 52:14.97 | Max Shank | I Think of it in a very basic way which is you have momentum being a certain way and the easiest thing to do is just continue with that Momentum. That's the most effortless thing you can do. So your pain or discomfort needs to be proportional to the adjustment of your trajectory like you need to be dissatisfied or uncomfortable enough to overcome the momentum of living a certain way. And it's not until that happens that a person takes action. Otherwise why would they? it's pure law of least Action. We're going to do the minimum we can unless ah otherwise authorized from a higher order kind of function. And even that is going to be based on a ah big picture discomfort um with just letting things flow as they may. It's like ah I'm uncomfortable not doing this thing. It's it's too painful to not. Go to Mars anymore. It's too painful to not get a divorce anymore. It's too painful to not start a business anymore. Whatever it is. There's like it's different for everybody different pain threshold for different pain catalyst. |
| 55:40.30 | mikebledsoe | Everyone's got different rock bottom. Yeah, and that makes me think about our concept I I know I didn't create it. But um, the the feather I don't know where it came from the feather the break the Mac truck and if have I told you about this yet. |
| 55:46.10 | Max Shank | The feather the brick and the Mac truck. No no I told you this but why don't you go ahead and share it with everybody. |
| 56:28.20 | mikebledsoe | Are you. |
| 56:34.76 | mikebledsoe | Pretty out did I hear I didn't hear from you did you or did you are you the originator. |
| 56:15.21 | Max Shank | Go ahead. Just let let them know what it is. It's fine. Go ahead. |
| 56:55.98 | mikebledsoe | Um, so yeah, the the the feather the Breakke the mack truck. You always get the message very lightly in the beginning and most people ignore it then it comes a little harder and then it's a fucking mack truck and it runs you over. |
| 56:51.95 | Max Shank | Here. A e. |
| 57:31.96 | mikebledsoe | And think that the skill is learning to listen for feathers and so it's a it's a it's a it's about being more sensitive. Yeah. |
| 57:23.75 | Max Shank | Right? But you don't want to get startled every time you feel the wind either right? when there's nothing there. Yeah, you didn't get that for me for me. It's always been the wind the feather the brick and the Mac truck. |
| 58:04.28 | mikebledsoe | No, you gotta be you gotta be listening to the right thing. |
| 58:23.54 | mikebledsoe | The wind the feather oh shit oh shit, did you get it from somebody. Are you reading the same person or did you are you really an originator. Do you even know. |
| 58:12.97 | Max Shank | Now I just I just made the whole thing up I never heard of it until just now. But I thought it would be fun to ah, just throw that Monkey Wrench in there because because see for me. Ah I think. |
| 59:01.42 | mikebledsoe | Ah, the wind the fact. Okay, we'll throw in the wind now now we've got 4 levels. |
| 58:52.97 | Max Shank | It's it's like ah a hypochondriac. The hypochondriac is thinking. Everything is some health disaster and really they were just constipated or something like that and I think the line between Prudence and paranoia is a truly fascinating one. |
| 59:33.18 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. |
| 59:31.55 | Max Shank | Because everybody has a different idea of what is reasonable preparedness and responsibility like the ability to respond or not so it's It's really the same thing like what's the line between prudence and having like a very deep awareness. |
| 01:00:11.44 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:00:09.93 | Max Shank | Of what's going on around you and responding to the slightest stimulus so being a little I don't know hypersensitive versus like hyposensitive. It's ah it's an interesting thing. |
| 01:01:04.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:00:41.87 | Max Shank | So so like to kind of bring us back to that concept of the feather the brick and the Mac truck that what you're saying is change is or or like life. Let's say is giving you signals. |
| 01:01:43.28 | mikebledsoe | M. |
| 01:01:19.51 | Max Shank | And if you pay attention to the signal when it's really light. It's not going to cause you much harm. But if you if you wait the feather becomes a brick becomes a mac truck when it eventually just absolutely wrecks you. |
| 01:01:57.20 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 01:02:13.12 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, becomes more painful but also the amount of change that you're gonna have to make is probably more drastic so it's a double whammy you got extra pain and and additional work to do like I think about say somebody who is a. |
| 01:01:56.33 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 01:02:52.68 | mikebledsoe | A meth at it. You know if they're one weekend and they notice like oh I'm not getting good sleep I'm Jittery I you know I'm not paying attention at work or whatever and they and they go you know what? I've you know I'm gonna check myself into a clinic and I'm gonna kick this thing but then you got the person who's. |
| 01:02:25.25 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:02:38.41 | Max Shank | For her. |
| 01:03:31.22 | mikebledsoe | 10 years in you know they're missing their teeth like for them to be able to get their life back on track and get a job and all that is going to be monumentally more difficult. |
| 01:03:25.91 | Max Shank | Right? So going past the point of no return basically like how how hard it is. yeah yeah I mean David Goggins is a ah great example of ah. |
| 01:04:07.88 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's a point you cross where you never getting back? Yeah yeah. |
| 01:04:05.55 | Max Shank | Someone who has just made such an impression on so many people I think you know he he just flipped total extremes right? Big fat guy boom now I'm a Navy seal running millions of miles. Oh my foot's broken. |
| 01:04:55.40 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 01:04:45.43 | Max Shank | Who Cares stay hard and I think that now that Persona has gotten him speaking of winning strategies. So now even if he did say you know what I think a more gentle form of exercise is really the right choice for most people because. You know, Actually you're going to harm yourself long term by just running through these injuries. Ah, he almost can't do that now because he has got this winning strategy as this character and I think he. |
| 01:05:55.24 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. Well, you know. |
| 01:05:59.77 | Max Shank | Wants to be that character for himself and for everybody else I think he's got to be thinking. Wow This is an amazing thing that I am doing here and I'm this guy for myself and for these other folks. |
| 01:06:50.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think a lot of people are attracted to it because they yeah they're they're attracted to it and they want to do it. They want to be like it. But I think it's a it's. |
| 01:06:37.95 | Max Shank | Superhero shit. Of course it's attractive. |
| 01:07:27.40 | mikebledsoe | It's immature in a lot of ways you know there's there's somebody who I saw go through a transformation which was a gary banynerchuk and I don't know if he shifted I Never really heard him say hey I had a realization I'm changing the way that I'm speaking now. |
| 01:07:14.71 | Max Shank | He. |
| 01:08:05.50 | mikebledsoe | But I watched him shift over like a 5 year period of hustling rind. You know, get out of your mouth and maybe that his audience matured and he needed to shift his his message. |
| 01:07:47.10 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:08:00.99 | Max Shank | He. |
| 01:08:33.64 | mikebledsoe | But it became more of like hey let's work smarter not harder like be kind to yourself all these things Gary Vaynerchuk I mean if you go back and watch videos from ten years ago and him trying to motivate a crowd. He's telling him to like you know, buck up, you know quit being a little bitch and now he's. |
| 01:08:31.53 | Max Shank | In. |
| 01:09:09.56 | mikebledsoe | He's found a little more kindness in in his approach. So I think there's a that's something that was working for him but he also was able to to mature beyond that hopefully David Goggins experiences the same thing I mean for his sake because I mean if you got to keep that persona on. |
| 01:08:47.84 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:09:47.38 | mikebledsoe | For the rest of your life. It's just hard to. |
| 01:09:21.90 | Max Shank | But maybe that feels like good for him. Maybe that's that's exactly what he's looking for he he won't be happy unless there's a ah, big physical challenge and you know who can imagine what it's like to live that guy's life. |
| 01:10:22.44 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, who knows and there's a place for everybody right? like there's a reason that he's so prolific right now is because there are a lot of soft people that need to hear that message. They're probably sick and tired of being soft or like you know what I'm I'm fat too. |
| 01:09:57.85 | Max Shank | Is what I say. Ah. |
| 01:10:21.19 | Max Shank | Yes. |
| 01:11:00.82 | mikebledsoe | And I don't know what to do about this so you know what? like and I mean I am of the opinion that whatever, whatever the fuck gets you started go but my encouragement is it's never the whole thing get gets you started on being healthier. |
| 01:10:33.47 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:10:55.17 | Max Shank | Whatever gets you started on anything. Ah. |
| 01:11:40.46 | mikebledsoe | But you know it got fat shamed Now you're losing weight. Okay, but here's the thing is take it further yeah like take it get up take it further. You know I think people a lot of times. It's It's like. |
| 01:11:22.69 | Max Shank | You got fat shamed you got fat shamed. |
| 01:12:15.30 | mikebledsoe | The reason you're fat is not because it's not necessarily because you're not exercising enough or you didn't You're not I mean these are the the behaviors you're not exercising enough and you're and you're eating like shit but like there's an entire lifestyle that goes behind this that that needs to shift that doesn't need to be. Maniacal about food and exercise. |
| 01:12:35.29 | Max Shank | It's literally just using food as pleasure more than your activity will allow and the reason we do things like that is because we feel like there's something missing and we want to change our state salty sweet fatty cheesy bits. Will will pretty much resolve that immediately. It's not super long lasting but you know Obesity is just a drug addiction that has a really easy to see physical manifestation to it. |
| 01:14:15.22 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:13:47.35 | Max Shank | Right. Ah, it's It's like a lot of people are addicted to their phones but it doesn't make you £40 heavier. Oh you're you're addicted to your phone but this other person is addicted to ah like hostess cupcakes. That's we're not getting sponsored by them but just because. |
| 01:14:55.26 | mikebledsoe | Not yet max not yet. |
| 01:14:30.53 | Max Shank | Just because they're addicted to just God I Hope so sponsored by Twinkie. Ah, but yeah, if someone's addicted to hostess cupcakes instead of the telephone they get fat but it's you're still just. Pulling a pleasure lever to distract from being here and now basically right. |
| 01:15:46.26 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah I Um, definitely use food as a little bit of entertainment and but you know what I've I've figured out how to use my entertainment food. Like I can get really entertained by my food without it being just outlandishly terrible and that I think that's ah, that's a good like like. For instance I eat like ah, a keto ice cream that doesn't have It's like the cleanest one I could find mammoth It's mostly just fat. With a tiny bit of sweetener supposed to just cream and by the way I mean just eating frozen cream by itself is so good. Yeah, and then and then I put put strawberries on it I put strawberries on it and then I put. |
| 01:16:35.10 | Max Shank | Don't don't eat that bad sugar. Don't eat that bad sugar fat Only sugar is bad for you. Don't eat sugar Listen there's a killer out there. It's sugar. |
| 01:17:28.34 | mikebledsoe | Raw honey on it. Yeah yeah, and then that'll usually beat whatever fucking dessert that's sitting on the shelf somewhere or even at a restaurant like it's actually tastier. |
| 01:17:00.87 | Max Shank | Um, very fancy. |
| 01:17:20.81 | Max Shank | Well, you know that's great that you have found a strategy that that works for you. Um, for for your mouth pleasure. Although. |
| 01:18:03.82 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah I know it's not your your morning cheesecake that you like to start your day with. |
| 01:17:54.75 | Max Shank | I Do like to start with a cheesecake and mocha in the morning if the opportunity arises I'm definitely going to take it. Absolutely. |
| 01:18:46.22 | mikebledsoe | Ah, well ordering Chaos I. |
| 01:18:20.35 | Max Shank | So with the with the food is it about the mouth pleasure like the the flavor the chewing the swallowing the whole thing I mean that's what helped me like get a handle on the the food addiction I mean it's all good right. Is it that I like the flavor while I'm chewing. Is it like some deeper primal thing where I I just feel good that I'm putting stuff in my belly like there's this primal desire. That's like yeah food goes in this tube this way and then that's a good thing. |
| 01:19:52.64 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well I think I think for me it um like I'm a low appetite person. So yeah, yeah. |
| 01:19:39.73 | Max Shank | How nice someone the other day said to me he goes. Ah I've been trying he was at he was at our gym he goes I've been trying to eat more and the idea of someone who had to try to eat more. |
| 01:20:31.44 | mikebledsoe | You know? okay. |
| 01:20:17.41 | Max Shank | Was so foreign to me ah eating more is my absolute default. Ah the concept of eating less food than I need or even just the right amount that I need is insane like every time I'm eating food I Want more. I Want hometown Buffet I want all you can eat sushi I Want a gigantic porter house with mashed potatoes. |
| 01:21:34.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think I think what may be different between you and I is I've been obsessing over the nutrient density of my food since I was about 14 So it's um. |
| 01:21:28.17 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:22:06.66 | mikebledsoe | Like yeah I'm in this constant search for the highest quality of what I'm what I'm eating now Super dens. It's a superfood and so the yeah. |
| 01:21:46.59 | Max Shank | That's why I just eat bullying cubes. |
| 01:22:03.33 | Max Shank | I Think we should try to make that a thing super concentrated beef essence. |
| 01:22:45.88 | mikebledsoe | Well, it's kind of like kale kale was like being sold as ah like a garnish for these buffets at Wendy's or whatever for for almost nothing and then it was listed as a super food. It was marketed properly and then ah. |
| 01:22:34.83 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:23:20.12 | mikebledsoe | The fucking price of it skyrocket. We can do the same thing for Bullyon Cubes I think is somehow you know hate. It's. |
| 01:23:01.79 | Max Shank | That would be such an exciting thing to get like all these high level athletes just snacking on bullion cubes. Everyone starts carrying around a little beef pouch salty. Yeah. |
| 01:23:43.38 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think it's a good hydration. It's more like a hydration tool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but ah yeah I think for me like I've always all I'm like this this quality freak about food and be and like I don't want it. |
| 01:23:46.70 | Max Shank | Here. |
| 01:24:21.96 | mikebledsoe | I could eat like a footlong Subway Club sandwich like I could do that like don't get me wrong I could do it but but it just it just doesn't like um, there's something about it I Just don't I don't feel satisfied in the same way and so. |
| 01:23:59.59 | Max Shank | That sounds good I like a good submarine sandwich. |
| 01:25:01.60 | mikebledsoe | When I'm eating higher quality foods like it does seem like it's harder to eat. It's like I get satisfied more quickly So I don't eat as many calories and then I'm also burning through a lot of calories in the day and then if I'm training which I am right now. Are you just the. |
| 01:25:00.83 | Max Shank | Then. |
| 01:25:40.30 | mikebledsoe | The appetite just skyrocket. But I don't I won't put down just anything So then I end up eating Keto ice cream with honey and strawberries at night. |
| 01:25:17.83 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:25:28.93 | Max Shank | Yeah I'll I'll eat healthy food I'll just eat 3 times the volume of what I should eat. It's weird I'll be at a restaurant or something and they'll be like. Do you want any dessert and I'll look at the dessert menu. |
| 01:26:12.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think I just have a small stomach some you know. |
| 01:26:06.89 | Max Shank | And I'll be like no but I will get another entree instead when it's like roughly this I Really like savory foods so we'll be out. It'll be like sushi or something they'll be like oh you want dessert and I'm looking the desserts I'm go think I'll just have more rice and fish and avocado and that kind of thing. |
| 01:26:59.64 | mikebledsoe | A ah. |
| 01:26:42.61 | Max Shank | Um, food Huh How about that. |
| 01:27:13.82 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so going back to ordering chaos where we started. Ah I I think that what we're gonna be witnessing moving forward is a lot of people seeking order. There was I was listening ah to. |
| 01:26:55.61 | Max Shank | Order up. |
| 01:27:16.30 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:27:52.76 | mikebledsoe | Gad sad god sad how do you say his name on Rogan the other day and it was talking about how some of the professors are starting to report that the that the new students in the college in the universities are. Really wanting a more conservative approach to things like they seem to be tired with you know all the the crazy shit around you know like they're being 72 different genders and and all that kind of stuff and so the ah. |
| 01:28:26.15 | Max Shank | All that shit is just all that shit doesn't matter. It's just about whether or not the discourse is violent or not I think. |
| 01:29:13.46 | mikebledsoe | Well I think that's part of the problem is it's it. You know it's obviously been violent people certain people aren't allowed to talk at universities because they get shouted out and basically forced out So that's chaos. That's that's people's emotional state. |
| 01:28:57.53 | Max Shank | Right? wild. |
| 01:29:51.40 | mikebledsoe | Overtaking their behavior becoming illogical and then are unable to you know have intepit discourse. So I yeah I think I mean if we look at if we look at what Ray Dalio says if we look at the fourth turning. We look at these things that these people who talk about. These cycles that are going on in the world and I think we're pretty getting pretty close to maxing out on chaos I mean I think the only thing that's more chaotic for for for the american public for for the. |
| 01:30:19.51 | Max Shank | Um, what whoa woa I don't know I'm still listening though but I don't know. |
| 01:31:05.40 | mikebledsoe | For the American Public's taste for things you think they can take more chaos. We'll see. Um, yeah I could see it going a little bit further I mean but the the only thing that's left is is now and. |
| 01:30:58.23 | Max Shank | Um I think of anarchy as chaos like anarchy is chaos that I mean that would be soak I Oh my God I think things like I don't think things are being run well. But. |
| 01:31:40.16 | mikebledsoe | No anarchy is different. So ah. |
| 01:32:01.30 | mikebledsoe | Boy here. |
| 01:31:36.77 | Max Shank | My gosh I think a lot of stuff is still running so smoothly so predictably in such an ordered fashion I mean I hope it doesn't get more chaotic and unpredictable. |
| 01:32:22.40 | mikebledsoe | Well well anarchy anarchy just means without a ruler and so it no without a ruler and so it has to do with. |
| 01:32:06.67 | Max Shank | Right? Well without without rule isn't it or just without a guy who enforces the rules then. |
| 01:32:59.34 | mikebledsoe | God. |
| 01:32:36.89 | Max Shank | No. |
| 01:33:08.42 | mikebledsoe | Ah, well if you define God by natural law like like gravity like like to me that is the the forces that have put been put in place to create physical order in the world which we don't need. Anyone to be in charge to do that right? like real laws are things that no person has to enforce and so you have natural law and then you have common law which is basically don't fuck with me and I'm not going to fuck with you right. |
| 01:33:47.53 | Max Shank | Right? But who's enforcing that is the question. That's what I'm saying So it's ah you know I think there would be a lot more people stealing each other shit if they didn't think there was some like repercussion. |
| 01:34:22.64 | mikebledsoe | Well people ultimately have to enforce it for themselves. Yeah. |
| 01:34:43.68 | mikebledsoe | Her maybe maybe well here here's wait. There is a reapercussion so here's an example San Francisco has riots how long do they last Minneapolis long fucking time. You know how long they lasted in Miami. |
| 01:34:25.51 | Max Shank | That the hired guns could lay in a long time. Yeah, not as long. |
| 01:35:20.78 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, about 36 hours and then it everyone went back to order and it's not because they put more police force out. It's because the the ah the police came out and said hey if you own a store on this street. You might want to come out with your gun. They basically encourage people to protect their own property because that's a state in which they honor property rights right? and then right and then but. |
| 01:35:43.30 | Max Shank | Which are the only reason we have all these rules in the None place. |
| 01:36:24.58 | mikebledsoe | But property rights aren't necessarily I don't think they necessarily have to be enforced by an outside entity whereas in California you have government officials that are impeding property rights so in 1 state you've got the encouragement of protecting your own property like we're not even going to do it. You do it. |
| 01:36:19.49 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:36:32.53 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:37:03.90 | mikebledsoe | And then in San Francisco they're saying whatever you do don't protect your own property or else we're gonna come after you, you know you can't have a gun if you shoot somebody on your property. We're gonna you're gonna be in trouble. So some people would say that San Francisco has got way more order or. |
| 01:36:46.10 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:37:42.64 | mikebledsoe | Whereas Florida seems a little more anarchist right? where they're encouraging when I think about anarchy it brings it down to there is a ruler and each person has to be their own ruler in which case. So we look at Miami and people would say oh we're just gonna let people kill each other but the the amount of damage that was done and the amount of deaths were really small because what happened was people came out with their guns. A couple writers got shot and killed and then everyone goes. Oh you can't do that or else you might get shot and killed and so they just don't do it anymore. So I think this is a good example of of the order being placed by. You know, an authoritative government is shown to be ineffective. So I think. |
| 01:38:32.51 | Max Shank | Um, well yeah. |
| 01:39:31.30 | mikebledsoe | Majority of order that's produced people generally want to be kind to each other people generally want to get along in all the research people avoid conflict. They don't They don't do these things they enter into conflict when they think they can be faceless and nameless and they're wearing a mask and and running through the streets. |
| 01:39:24.49 | Max Shank | Most people. |
| 01:39:38.77 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:40:09.94 | mikebledsoe | With a thousand other people and they can blend in now they become that's chaos. That's that's that's the mob but that's not anarchy. That's ah anarchy would be everyone. There would be consequences. You're held liable for your personal stuff. |
| 01:39:48.30 | Max Shank | Um, a mob. |
| 01:40:44.12 | mikebledsoe | Just because everybody was doing It doesn't mean that you are um that it's okay to do it So There's a level of individual responsibility that I see that happens with anarchy and I think that this I think that anything that's not anarchy is actually a. It's an illusion because if we if we go up so we. |
| 01:40:58.49 | Max Shank | Well hold up every society is an illusion based on a unify unifying set of beliefs whether it's the tree spirit or an eye for an eye code of hamurabi or hey that guy with the big stick is in charge because he can beat up everyone else. |
| 01:41:50.46 | mikebledsoe | It's just it's a story. |
| 01:42:02.26 | mikebledsoe | Well well the big, the big stick guy is usually what people think about anything about anarchy is like it's like oh yeah, it's a power game right? It's like if everyone's just running around and. |
| 01:41:38.50 | Max Shank | Right? And we just do what he says. That's all. |
| 01:41:56.53 | Max Shank | Well it it is extra Well if there's no recourse if someone takes your stuff except for your own then everyone is going to have to arm themselves significantly more now I do think that would make a community. |
| 01:43:01.74 | mikebledsoe | I Think it would be a much more peaceful community as well. |
| 01:42:33.81 | Max Shank | Much much stronger been to Oklahoma I agree completely. Um, people would respect boundaries a little more I believe and if you think that you may get shot. You're less likely to go try to Rob someone unless it's really really desperate. |
| 01:43:32.78 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 01:43:12.31 | Max Shank | And even then you're more likely to go ask? What can you do you can beg borrow or steal if someone has something you want. You know you can work you can beg or you can take um so I think it has a lot to do with. |
| 01:43:52.82 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 01:44:05.90 | mikebledsoe | Or. |
| 01:43:51.67 | Max Shank | Fact that we can get our needs met relatively smoothly and I think if you had let's say a dis because I'm not a fan of how taxpayer dollars are managed at all because that's all government is it's all all of our pooled resources put to work by a few. Ah. Clever folks. But I think if you were to dissolve that whole system. Ah it would be a really shaky turbulent. Ah very chaotic adjustment period because the whole concept of. dollars and cents and retirements and everything would just completely collapse and all of these agreements based on that old system would also collapse so all of your existing contracts would basically be like I'm gonna just not. |
| 01:46:08.66 | mikebledsoe | Well, a lot of a lot of these structures are are corporate in nature and so these agreements and so any agreements you have with government I mean it's a corporate. It's an agreement between a corporation and an individual which is technically like unlawful. |
| 01:45:43.21 | Max Shank | Do that anymore. |
| 01:46:13.47 | Max Shank | Right? But those ah but those agreements are basically just for if you have to go to a court. |
| 01:46:46.74 | mikebledsoe | In a way. But. |
| 01:46:56.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah there I got a I got a show coming out with Jesse Elder where he covers the whole going to court thing but the which I think will be interesting but I want I want to take this back to the the idea that that do we live. My argument is we already live in anarchy right? And so the I was thinking about this the other day is so there's a war between well I'm about to explain it. So everyone everyone thinks that there's a rule of law right? like the United States is like it's it's not ruled by men. It's ruled by law. |
| 01:47:21.70 | Max Shank | Why do we live in anarchy. Okay. |
| 01:47:46.37 | Max Shank | Sometimes. |
| 01:48:14.78 | mikebledsoe | And so that's that was that's kind of the concept of the United States it's not necessarily how it's resulted, but that's the concept was to to keep us out of trouble. But if we get outside of the United States and we go global. We have global anarchy right? the. |
| 01:47:57.31 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:48:53.24 | mikebledsoe | There is no. There is no authority that makes the countries behave So some of these. |
| 01:48:32.10 | Max Shank | Maybe oligarchy maybe more like an oligarchy than total anarchy like I think there's a lot of power centers and unions and allegiances that guide the flow of the world. |
| 01:49:22.52 | mikebledsoe | There are there are the um that that are a lot less oligarchies. Well depends on the oligarch like what system you're using can be less violent. You mean you could say that like Elon Musk is probably None of the most powerful people on the planet. Not probably He's more powerful than most countries. Ah and ah, but all the interaction with him and his stuff is is voluntary. So it's it's a less. He may be he may be in charge of people's minds in a way because he's deciding you know what? they. |
| 01:49:54.17 | Max Shank | Which is amazing. Ah, right. |
| 01:50:38.78 | mikebledsoe | They may be seeing because he controls that way, but it's not.. It's not overtly coercive or or violent. Um, but if we if we extrapolate out and we go what keeps these nations like what supersedes the nation you know and some people might say Nato UN. Ah, have all these different organizations where these countries send representatives and they jerk each other off for a few days and then go back. Ah these that the truth is is the only thing that keeps anyone from fucking with anybody else is the possibility of total destruction. There's an entire global strategy going on by each country On. You have a few powers that are trying to dominate. But there's all these allies that are created and rules and and and they're generating all this stuff but generally like if you I think people. People are under this false premise of there is law and order that's produced by human beings. But it's completely inaccurate because if we keep going to a larger Magnitude. We start seeing that there's nothing other than brute force and power that is. That is in charge and so in which case I say that that's truly just Anarchy. We already exist under it. But the problem is is we suffer under a ah like ah this illusion because people don't ah. Because they put their trust in the illusion. They never take personal responsibility. They never become their own ruler. They never make their own decisions. They never learn to protect themselves feed themselves provide for themselves and so they're putting the trust in something illusory that can change at a moment's notice. And put them out in the cold. |
| 01:54:07.63 | Max Shank | Um, yeah I I tend to think that all ah Authority matters are resolved that way with the threat of total destruction on a micro level and on a macro level. You know the. |
| 01:55:06.22 | mikebledsoe | M. |
| 01:54:45.33 | Max Shank | Way that individuals are ruled the way that countries are ruled the way that countries rule over each other.. It's always the threat of total destruction and you know self-preservation is a very powerful instinct and I think that's probably what drives ah countries more than anything. Is the self-preservation Instinct of the rulers. |
| 01:55:59.64 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, gotta be I mean I think that's just everybody. |
| 01:55:39.27 | Max Shank | Keep the power get a little bit more keep the power get a little bit more because it never ends it very rarely ends well like the dictator doesn't like ride off into the sunset and be like hey guys I had fun oppressing the shit out of you. Thank you for letting me just go on. |
| 01:56:36.86 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well when was the last time there was a dictator that like died of natural causes and everybody all the your country. The country was like oh yeah, ah. |
| 01:56:14.47 | Max Shank | Down the dusty road dude North Korea North Korea one of my favorite front. None of my favorite stories ever I another plug for dictators playbook. Very good series. The story of ah Kim il-sung. And then ah Kim Jong -il and now kim jong un none generation dictatorship pretty good for the modern era he is repressing the shit out of those people's ability to see information and see what other life is like he's smeared the hell out of the fat americans it's incredible. |
| 01:57:29.64 | mikebledsoe | Now. Yeah. |
| 01:58:00.28 | mikebledsoe | I need to I need to watch this. It sounds. |
| 01:57:33.19 | Max Shank | Ah, anyway, Kim il-sung dot died of natural causes. Kim Jong -il also died of natural causes. Kim Jong un maybe eating himself to death. But that's still a natural cause basically like it's incredible. |
| 01:58:25.98 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well what I'm saying yeah but people aren't happy what I'm saying is like has anyone ah as a dictator ever like died and then everyone's like oh genuinely sad. |
| 01:58:17.75 | Max Shank | There is way less obesity in North Korea than the United States that's a fact that's a fact. |
| 01:58:57.48 | mikebledsoe | Did you did you listen to that? Ah interview Rogan did with um that North Korean woman who escaped at fucking crazy. Totally worth listening to. |
| 01:58:44.51 | Max Shank | Um, yeah I did it was wild. Loved it. Dude That's the history of the world is like awful awful stuff like that look at all the like torture shame the the um juxtaposition of. Art and war as ah, vessels for this oscillation between order and chaos is Incredible. We're making these beautiful pieces of art. We're you know, putting together quilts and nice things for people and medicines and then we have like these. Ah. Mechanical suppositories that expand up your anus as torture and you just have these like weird is such ah, an insane level of destruction and violent and then creation and cooperation and you know optimism. I Mean human beings are insane and then a few of them get really insane and are like I will lead these people and then and then I here's what I think happens I don't think this is going to be a very popular take but I think ah. Most of the most of the guys who went and did these insane things. It was really like the whispers of a lady that was driving him. You know what? I mean I think we we cannot. We cannot Blame. Ah. |
| 02:02:04.24 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah. |
| 02:01:53.57 | Max Shank | White We We can't make white men the whipping boy of all the evil shit. That's ever been Done. You know ladies men of all colors of all creeds have oppressed people I'm sure that there were Queens who would tease their king about the size of his kingdom. And just nag nag nag him until he conquered the neighbors be like you call this a kingdom This is the tiniest Kingdom. That's what I think yeah. |
| 02:03:07.16 | mikebledsoe | I think that was like Alexander the great alexander the great. Yeah and what's her name or is it Ashley and I got this conversation the other day which was we we take we take like things that are really hot. Like unstable topics in society and then we debate them in the car and because she grew up in the bay where there's a very she grew up in a very left leaning view. So there's a lot of opportunity for me to ask her questions just had a curiosity is like okay how is. |
| 02:03:38.67 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 02:04:22.20 | mikebledsoe | Okay, this is how I understand this situation. What's the okay, what's going on over there and she tells me I'm like okay have are those people have they considered this so no, okay, cool and so it's like it ends up in a interesting conversation. So one was um, we were listening to a show. They're talking about. Um you know, ah, ah, equity like equity amongst men and women for pay right? who you know men men generally get paid more money than women and so the feminist movement has been. Incredibly focused on money in in regard to things not being fair and so and so that was my that was my so we got in this conversation. so so yeah yeah so Ashley's like you know it's unfair and. |
| 02:05:19.71 | Max Shank | They already spend all the money. There are so many reasons for there are so many reasons for this I mean. Okay. |
| 02:06:16.72 | mikebledsoe | And I was like I was like well have we talked about all the contributing factors to why it might be that way and then the number one? Well the None thing that I came up with not came up with but like the None stat that we looked at was ah okay. So men make how much more money on average and women for the same type of work. Okay, well, who spends the money who who spends more money. It's like well the women spend 70% of all the money on. |
| 02:06:44.45 | Max Shank | But there there are like 10 different reasons that things usually are this way if it was so clear cut as like the Twitter sized argument would have you believe then every smart businessman would just hire women I would save. |
| 02:07:45.74 | mikebledsoe | Totally. |
| 02:07:24.37 | Max Shank | I would save 25% on my ah payroll and I would be because if it's the same job for ah 25% less money. You would be a fool not to do it. You would have just factories. You would only have women employees. It would only be women working ah like why wouldn't you why wouldn't you no no, it's it's stupid. It's just another distraction. We have so much more in common. |
| 02:08:32.48 | mikebledsoe | That's that's a really good point or because of discrimination people are are misogynist What it's It's ah it's a. Well the thing the thing is is people people will they look at the result and then they they that that's the explanation. Oh. There's not this so it must be.. It must be that that person that men are generally bad at you know that are generally misogynistic. |
| 02:08:37.10 | Max Shank | Ah, then we have different. |
| 02:09:41.72 | mikebledsoe | So There's this like the proof for a lot of people. The proof is in the the lack of equity versus getting into all the little things that might contribute to that and you make a really good point because you know what? if if I could get away with that I do the same thing and. And then you could like claim to be nobles like oh I I Only hire women and and in the background you know you, you're making more money That's not necessarily I don't see in the conversations I yeah. |
| 02:09:53.91 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 02:10:09.43 | Max Shank | It's just like a different type of sexism I mean I don't think I think more than people being like pro-man or pro lady or anti-man or anti-lady people are just selfish understandably. So. You're the only None living your experience. You're the only one responsible for it if you can get a few extra points of street cred for talking shit. Why wouldn't you I mean we talked about how effective lying is talking shit is so effective I mean do you think Tom Sawyer painted the fence. No. Sweet talked the other kid and said hey wouldn't you like to paint this fence I will trade you the opportunity of painting this fence for that shiny red Apple you got and so he's there eating the Apple while this guy is so happy that he now has the opportunity to build a fence so people are just. Selfish and they realize that they can talk to get attention and energy and that kind of thing instead of work and there are so many I mean my god we could talk all day about this like alleged discrimination between men and women. But um. This is a contest that nobody wins there's no way to win this discussion because it's like hey did you know that men kill themselves 4 times more than women they're like no I didn't know that is like well can you just like fucking eat the quarter and like. Not worry I mean we're dying 4 times as much at our own hand like is it really? So amazing. Yeah. |
| 02:13:43.26 | mikebledsoe | Well 98% of workplace deaths are men as well like I it's like is what. |
| 02:13:27.69 | Max Shank | But but that's that's the whole point is like people just do what they want to do that's all and quite frankly, you know if you're a lady you can just get really hot and nice. But if you're a fella I mean I guess you could do that too like you could be a cabana boy. Type of ah life strategy I've considered it I've done the entrepreneurship thing for a while but I've also considered what if I put the same amount of dedication to being like a really like goodlooking Kabana boy right? and just like teach yoga classes by the pool of some like rich lady. And my whole responsibility is just like oh a little more suntann for you I'll whip up a little ah sandwich for you there like that's totally a strategy and maybe I would earn more doing that than what I'm currently doing so. It's fine, but it's just that usually the way that a guy shows. |
| 02:15:33.80 | mikebledsoe | Maybe maybe. |
| 02:15:21.39 | Max Shank | Ah, dominance in the hierarchy is by making lots of money That's usually how it is and then if you like get the gender roles confused sometimes you have people chasing things that don't even feel good to them. They just do it because they think they're supposed to and that's. |
| 02:15:54.00 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 02:16:21.18 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 02:15:59.83 | Max Shank | I think that is ah actually really scary spent a lot of energy getting something that you didn't even want in the None place. |
| 02:16:31.36 | mikebledsoe | You know. Yeah Jordan Peterson was talking about a ah ah a concept that women are just generally more intelligent than men they they are generally have more opportunities at. Through childhood and adolescence and because guys tend to only be really good at None thing and then they throw themselves completely into it and engineering might be a really good example of this is men are were sport men men. |
| 02:17:15.75 | Max Shank | Or sport. |
| 02:17:54.79 | mikebledsoe | We'll use engineers for as an example, why do engineers get paid more than women. Well most engineers didn't do. |
| 02:17:32.81 | Max Shank | Well not, they don't necessarily. It's just engineering people get paid more than nursing people typically. |
| 02:18:13.58 | mikebledsoe | Well well why are there more male engineers than female engineers This was this was this was the question being talked about and now I'm gonna give it to you but but the the the thing that he was proposing is that. |
| 02:18:00.59 | Max Shank | Are you looking for an answer. Are you going to give it to me. Okay I have ideas. |
| 02:18:51.76 | mikebledsoe | Women have more opportunities through their youth because they're generally more intelligent and don't dedicate themselves wholly to None subject whereas men tend to be a little less intelligent and in a broad and a broad amount of subjects whereas. And it has less to do with like level of intelligence versus being able to be intelligent at a lot of things versus just None thing so men at for a lot of engineers. They they sucked at english history. All the stuff that wasn't mathematics. But then there's a lot of women who were pretty good at mathematics. But they were also really good at english and. History and all these other subjects so there wasn't this this force of focus in order to be become valuable. So I think that between between you know, if you look at just math mathematicians out in the world like the highest levels are men but. |
| 02:19:57.17 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 02:20:47.10 | mikebledsoe | Women are generally if you were to look at the averages. The average woman is better at it than the average man but men tend to to live more at the extremes when it comes to these things and so that person's more likely to get to become a high paid engineer than the average woman and so. |
| 02:20:34.29 | Max Shank | I see ah. |
| 02:20:48.79 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 02:21:26.68 | mikebledsoe | Um, because women have the argument he was making is because women have more opportunities than men they actually may not get completely focused into a ah vocation. That's gonna pay really really well and the other thing is to the point you were making earlier is. Men are generally generally ah judged on their their finances and their financial success and women are generally ah their status comes from being beautiful and so if you're a woman and and. |
| 02:22:05.31 | Max Shank | Or the or the niceness of the Shark cuttery board that they can lay out. |
| 02:22:45.48 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah for that that would be the case for me my girlfriend won me over with sharuery boards. |
| 02:22:24.29 | Max Shank | Like for a like party planning like that's ah that's a skill that among the other ladies I don't think I'm being crazy here. That's a skill where everyone else would be like man look at that meat and cheese plate. There are dried apricots on there that looks that looks amazing right. |
| 02:23:20.64 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, but but if you're a woman and you have many different interests and you don't dedicate yourself into a single field and then in the background. There's also this the majority of your focuses on status that involves beauty as well. So you have this social. |
| 02:23:26.97 | Max Shank | Oh right. |
| 02:23:58.20 | mikebledsoe | Social pressure being beautiful and then you also have a lot of opportunities academically and then you got guys are like you know I just got to get good at 1 thing and they just throw themselves at it and so that that's 1 explanation of like why there might be some discrepancy. |
| 02:23:51.85 | Max Shank | I Think it's I think it's even simpler I think that men and women generally get pushed a certain direction and guys who might naturally be more creative. Get funneled into something that is more utilitarian and women who might be more math and science and technology oriented might get diverted off toward like barbies and art and that kind of thing. Because I think that's just the the natural momentum of our culture is that girls do girly things and guys do manly things and so it's just when there's an intersection of your preference. However, that was derived and your ability. |
| 02:26:18.54 | mikebledsoe | I Mean that's generally true. |
| 02:25:55.17 | Max Shank | Yeah, and that's also why ah you know nurses are typically women and they're a little bit more nurturing and interestingly enough I think it's a really interesting. It's an interesting example because I think that is. Ah, much more difficult skill to replicate with technology this idea that you'll be Able. You'll be able to diagnose with a supercomputer with I would imagine tremendous accuracy but the. |
| 02:27:10.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, not possible. |
| 02:27:05.50 | Max Shank | The bedside care and the nursing and that sort of thing seems really hard to replicate with ah with tech I think Ais are gonna doctor it up and the nurses there's just gonna be a bunch of ladies doing a great job. Um, you know. |
| 02:27:46.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the ai is going to do that anytime soon. |
| 02:28:10.94 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well there, there's um, well that. |
| 02:27:43.61 | Max Shank | Talking and listening chatting doing skills. It's a high so that's that's and some things just don't get rewarded very well like nursing holy fuck. Okay, that's the perfect example I think it seems like None of the hardest jobs around you're in a pretty scary place all the time. Working pretty tough hours with difficult people quite frankly, right? and and you're like getting okay money. It's like okay but talk about difficult. |
| 02:28:57.52 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 02:29:08.40 | mikebledsoe | Now Now incredibly yeah I wouldn't want to do it. It sounds terrible. |
| 02:28:59.53 | Max Shank | I Don't even like being in hospitals. It's like my one of my least favorite places. |
| 02:29:38.28 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, let's wrap this bad boy up where we. |
| 02:29:17.65 | Max Shank | Okay, so today's show was called chaos we tried to bring order to it but we just couldn't figure out a way to put it in there. Ah ah well they define each other. |
| 02:30:09.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, we didn't really talk about order much. |
| 02:29:57.50 | Max Shank | Right? We talked a lot about the hierarchies in society I think that order can bring a lot of peace to your life. Um, so maybe the the takeaway I would wrap up with is. Dose yourself with some chaos do some? Ah do some tough conversations with someone have like a heated debate and do some roughhousing and playing that is introducing chaos in ah in a safe environment and then you know bring. Bring order into your life by trying to automate as many things as you can to make your life easier. So maybe there's those None things what I would say keep it practical. |
| 02:31:54.12 | mikebledsoe | Know well sudden. Yeah, but both are necessary. Nothing to be Judged. You know having order and not good or bad chaos. Not good or bad. Both are necessary for the development of culture. It's necessary for the development of human beings we go through these phases. And I find that it's it brings a lot more peace when you're in when you can acknowledge what phase you're in and go oh it's a little chaotic if I want things to be different and you know what's the order I want to create and just being being aware of these things can help you move through things a lot more. Smoothly max where can they find you. |
| 02:32:55.55 | Max Shank | http://maxshank.com or at max shank. |
| 02:33:27.90 | mikebledsoe | Check me out Instagram at Mike Underscore Bletso and you can check out things at the http://bletsoshow.com I also got a summit for the coaches coming up in June if you want to check that out. Go to shop dot destrongcoach dot com. But y'all loving next. |
| 02:33:42.73 | Max Shank | Bye later. |
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He’s learned a lot about both along the way, and in this episode, he shares his best insights into how you can do both for yourself
| 00:00.00 | Max Shank | Welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're going to talk about the easiest way to improve your life and that is your environment your environment includes people. Your environment includes the physical space physical objects. The actual climate or weather and not only can you perfectly adapt to the environment you're in but actually 1 of the easiest ways to change is just to change your environment and that's one of the reasons that joining a community of. Healthy fit people is by far the easiest way to get healthy and fit yourself because I believe in the 5 monkey rule which is that you become most like the 5 people that you spend the most time with so let's talk about. Environment how to adapt to it. How others have adapted to it in the past and how you can also change it completely which is a very amazing talent. Mike thanks for joining me again. |
| 01:07.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, this is this is a fun topic topic because um I was at a talk couple weeks ago at an event and this guy was talking about the 3 things that that drive change and ah, you're. Changing your environment and the people you're around your community is by far the least stressful and the easiest to comebine and can have the you know, easiest long-term effects. The other two is people make change when the first one is when people make change when something. Horrible Happens. There's something traumatic that happens or like they they had a blind spot and then all something you know someone goes into the doctor and they got holy shit you got diabetes or you got cancer. It's like oh fuck and then you realize that your your you know your life is finite and oh I had better make a change. Ah, that one that finding change and creating change from that place. Not a lot of fun. Um, that one's yeah pain pain and suffering. Um and then the other one being the other one you could do is strategic. |
| 02:09.57 | Max Shank | Um, so that's like pain motivation the motivation of pain hunger pain desire Very synonymous. |
| 02:22.51 | mikebledsoe | You know someone might go hire a coach and then we create a strategy for maybe do some mindset training or whatever it is on how to get you to change your behavior or your lifestyle just by creating a strategy That's also very difficult. It takes some willpower which we'll say for later time. |
| 02:40.85 | Max Shank | Well, it takes proportional desire to the activity that they're willing to undertake I think having a more tactical approach that may include hiring a coach and coming up with a more concrete plan is a great way to go about it. Use your rational mind. |
| 02:41.78 | mikebledsoe | But. |
| 03:00.41 | Max Shank | I would say that the desire comes from kind of the same place. You feel a lack of health or a lack of community or a lack of confidence or a lack of something and there's some feeling there that makes you go You know what? Not only do I want more but I think it's possible that I could. |
| 03:19.18 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and so and changing your environment and your community. It's by far the easiest that's that's 1 reason that I run my coaching business the way I do and I suggest other coaches do the same which is make them community oriented have people going through the process together. |
| 03:20.23 | Max Shank | Get more. |
| 03:38.23 | mikebledsoe | Because it does normalize things. You know if you're hanging out with a bunch of people who are running triathlons. That's gonna become a normal thing for you to do if you're playing with hanging out with a bunch of tennis players you be playing tennis if you hang out with a bunch of musicians. You're probably gonna pick up an instrument and. It's going to be almost automatic in a lot of ways. So It's going to be easy. Super super easy. |
| 04:01.14 | Max Shank | It will be easy I Think that's an important point that I would like to I'd like to stop at the definition station real quick about the word easy because in. |
| 04:14.12 | mikebledsoe | But here we go again. |
| 04:21.14 | Max Shank | In practice. Ah easy is something that you that you want to do easy is something that doesn't require a lot of time perhaps but I think difficult and easy are more defined by whether you want to do it or not. I think people find it very easy to do something. They love pretty much all day long so they would be willing to spend a hundred times more effort because it doesn't feel like they have to force themselves to do it because the activity itself is intrinsically enjoyable. And if you join a community that is playful with their goal achieving like there's a lot of playfulness in some entrepreneurs and that is ah maybe a defining characteristic of the ones who do much much better is it's a fun exciting game. That they want to play not not just because they want to purchase a boat in the future but because that game is exciting to them so there's that intrinsic joy in the activity itself that makes something easy. I think I think that's what makes it easy is if you want to do it. |
| 05:34.90 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely absolutely yeah I think they as humans we tend to adopt the the desires of others when we're in a group or we choose the group based on our desires or at least we can I don't think that's what happens when we're young and growing up and we're. Pretty much forced to hang out with whoever's in our you know whoever our parents decide to put in our geographical you know sphere. But um, you know some of the some of the easiest changes I've ever made was when I moved locations. Um I. |
| 05:59.94 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 06:12.61 | mikebledsoe | You know there's so many benefits. Yeah I tell people all the time is if you're gonna if you if you're gonna be moving make a list if you're gonna move. Especially if you're moving to whole new New city. But even if you're moving to a new house or apartment or whatever it is. That's when. |
| 06:13.39 | Max Shank | It's a big shakeup. It's a big shakeup. |
| 06:29.60 | mikebledsoe | You can introduce new habits most easily because everything in your life is changing so I'll use up. The big thing is if you're moving to a new city. You're likely gonna be hanging out with a whole new social circle and ah, which means that you could either if you if you're not. Intentional about it. You probably end up hanging out with a lot of the same type of people you were hanging out with and you're gonna end up recreating. You know a similar lifestyle of wherever you were so that saying of no matter where you go or wherever you go, you will be there and so what i. What I've done intentionally is when I've landed it in a new town I know that those people they're not going to be judging me on my history because they don't even know it anyone? um anyone we ever interact with is seeing us for for the entirety of. The time we've known each other like when I when I see you max you know I think what we met probably six seven years ago maybe six years ago I'm thinking um I'm basically thinking of max over that entire period of time and probably the things that I was introduced to you initially are gonna stand out. |
| 07:32.97 | Max Shank | And. |
| 07:44.50 | mikebledsoe | The most and so as you can imagine. Yeah, if you if you live if you live with your you know with your family or near your family. Your family are they're gonna treat you like your a little kid because they knew you as a little kid and so that's. |
| 07:44.96 | Max Shank | Like a first impression. |
| 07:57.80 | Max Shank | And you'll probably act out that role just the same as you have always been acting out that role. |
| 08:01.92 | mikebledsoe | Totally totally. So every time I've moved I've had the opportunity to upgrade my identity I can I can then decide I'm gonna be someone who you know the person the next iteration of myself that I want to be and I can. |
| 08:10.77 | Max Shank | The. |
| 08:20.80 | mikebledsoe | Consciously choose to present myself to new people in that way and I can be careful about the people I surround myself with who are the people I surround myself with now and it's not same people same type of person that I surround myself with before now. It's not. Dramatically drastic changes. But there are some small changes I've noticed as I've gotten older I've I've shrunk The friend circle quite a bit and gotten more selective because I see you know how influenced how influenced I am by the people. |
| 08:39.53 | Max Shank | Further. |
| 08:57.19 | mikebledsoe | I surround myself with so if you want to make a change and you want to you know, moving to a new city that I don't think there's ah, a quicker faster easier way to do it Although that may sound like a big fucking deal to somebody because it is but I think that. |
| 09:07.57 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 09:15.44 | mikebledsoe | Moving to a new city is you know, logistically maybe difficult but from a making change perspective so much easier. |
| 09:22.61 | Max Shank | Yeah, it definitely will shake things up in a big way. Ah, one of the reasons I like talking to new people is exactly what you were talking about I Love talking to new people because I don't know what I'm going to say. And I try not to be too attached to the way I think about things So I I try to really take a conversation as it comes and what I find really interesting is sometimes I will surprise myself with what I say. To a person that I've never interacted with before and it's it's because it's just a different um Interaction. You know this person has no clue who I am I don't have any clue who they are and I'm only bringing what I think right now I'm not necessarily bringing what I thought. Last year. So I'm excited to see like oh this is a really different way that I'm answering this question than the way I used to answer this Question. So I think every time you meet somebody new at least in my case, it feels. It feels different because I'm in such a state of. |
| 10:26.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, no. |
| 10:38.30 | Max Shank | Ah, flux. |
| 10:39.13 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I agree with that. Yeah different people bring different parts of us out and I you know we're talking about the community. The people you surround yourself with but there's a lot of other environmental factors aside from the people we're surrounded by that impact. How we live our lives. Um. |
| 10:57.61 | Max Shank | Well hold hold on before we go on though. Let's let's hone in on the the people thing because I think you want to understand the difference between thinking there are like good and bad people versus there are complementary people. And there are ah mutually destructive pairings so there are like complementary pairings and there are mutually destructive pairings but I try not to think of it like oh this person is better or I'm better and they're worse I mean you could make that argument certainly that some people are better and worse. |
| 11:35.78 | mikebledsoe | I Think most will do. |
| 11:35.82 | Max Shank | And many people do. But I think of it more like yeah and ah, of course we don't really know what their experience was like so it's such a slippery slope because then you got to like what think their parents were bad or their parents' parents were bad. It's like where does the blame. Really end with the goodness and badness of our Fellows. So I Just think about the fact that there is a different interaction happening. You know, like musical notes you get this note and then this other note you play them together and you get. Ah. A certain frequency and then you meet someone slightly different and the whole interaction is completely Different. So I think the way people interact with each other ah really sets the tone for relationships in a. |
| 12:14.43 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 12:28.21 | Max Shank | In a monumental way so you can be ah playful in Conversation. You can be playful in movement and sport or you know I'm not sure what the opposite of playful is maybe like stiff or like. Hateful Almost I'm not sure I'm not sure what would the opposite of playful would be ah but you know what I'm saying like the interactions with other people are so big in how you evaluate and interpret your life that if they're if they're not playful if they're not loving then. |
| 12:50.57 | mikebledsoe | I'm trying to think of it. Now. |
| 13:07.75 | Max Shank | Ah, you you it. It can be a real problem and sometimes carving it out is really uncomfortable thought for people but it's not like the other person's bad and I'm good. It's just like this this pairing doesn't work together. |
| 13:15.87 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 13:22.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and and those pairings may not work. They may work together for a period of time and then they don't and it doesn't mean Yeah, ah I've definitely experienced that. Um, that with my my ex-wife even that was there was a period of time where that worked great and then there was a period of time. It stopped working. |
| 13:28.20 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, a lot of stuff works for a while. Um I mean if we're talking about. Love Yeah, if we're talking about love. Ah, if we're talking about love and romance I mean my lord. |
| 13:42.16 | mikebledsoe | And it served both of us to to walk away. Yeah, what are the antonyms for be sad. |
| 13:47.63 | Max Shank | Could be sad. |
| 13:54.00 | Max Shank | Be sad and work Those are good opposites so that's. |
| 13:55.89 | mikebledsoe | Be sad and work that makes sense. |
| 14:03.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 14:06.40 | Max Shank | That's big I think drawing clear boundaries about what kind of interactions you are going to participate in sometimes it is better to just like take your ball and go home play with yourself. |
| 14:14.52 | mikebledsoe | I like to I like to extrapolate on these types of things and that you know as above so below you know things that are happening at the smallest level are also happening at the largest level and when I look at say a relationship between 2 people. We can ah extrapolate that out to interactions between different cultures. We could say you know 2 different countries. You know you got a culture over here and that has certain values and you have a country over here. It has certain values and these countries may get along really well these two groups of people. |
| 14:37.49 | Max Shank | Um, so it. |
| 14:51.70 | mikebledsoe | Me say countries because I think the whole idea is going away but the yeah these two groups of people are either getting along or they have a lot of conflict and I really I think about this a lot and then also what. |
| 14:53.78 | Max Shank | At groups. |
| 15:08.32 | mikebledsoe | But I like about looking at culture more and large groups of people was I think it's ah easier to see what has created the way that they are as ah as a culture. So I really like to look at the Eu. The european union is a really good example of this and so. What you have ah is you have a lot of the countries in the north and you have a lot of countries in the south that have all they all said you know what we're gonna try to get along. You know we we haven't tried to kill each other in like you know a few decades. So maybe we should you know. All fall under the same currency and you know give each other a pass on the passport thing and all the things that happens with the european union but what happened in the last decade yeah I think was that the the euro was probably what a decade maybe 2 decades old I forget how long it's been around. |
| 15:49.80 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 16:07.86 | mikebledsoe | I Think it's been around like 20 maybe a little more than 20 years at this point nonetheless. Um, they basically took all these countries and they put them on the same currency and so some countries whose value of their currency was low automatically got propped up really quick. And in some countries whose value is really high got brought down really quick and what you ended up with was it tan be yeah oh yeah, yeah I thought you're talking about the discrepancy but the yeah. |
| 16:28.61 | Max Shank | Right? It's like a marriage it I mean it's like a union you know, know that that's what I'm saying that too I mean in a. Ah marriage or in a business partnership or a union of countries or big groups. Um, you know there's there's give and take and yeah. |
| 16:54.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so so I mean what? what ended ones up ends up happening this this really is a interesting study for me and what ends up happening is you have places like Portugal greece who especially Greece I think from what I understand. They went from being like ah you know, not that wealthy of a country to hopping on the euro and then all of a sudden people didn't have to work much anymore because they were instantly more wealthy and so there was a little less work that had to be done which in Greece there. |
| 17:22.13 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 17:30.80 | mikebledsoe | They're they're not. They don't work as hard as say the Germans So I think we can look at that's exact. That's what that's what yeah, that's what I'm getting at yeah is when you look at the northern countries in the European Union These countries are very good at planning. |
| 17:34.17 | Max Shank | Um, pretty different climate also interesting to think about? yeah. |
| 17:48.93 | mikebledsoe | They're very good at saving. Um and they're there's they're way more strategic in a lot of ways whereas when you look at the southern countries you look at italy you've got portugal. You've got greece all these countries life is good. 24 7 3 65 the necessity to think ahead is just so much lower like why would you? you have you have generations of people that didn't really have to think ahead more than a day or 2 and then yeah. |
| 18:16.68 | Max Shank | It's in. |
| 18:20.62 | Max Shank | Yeah, let's go fit. It's fine. Let's go fishing. We'll be all right? It's fine. Let's go fishing. |
| 18:24.91 | mikebledsoe | And exactly and then you have the swedes who if they don't you know it's It's winter is coming. Yeah, it's it's June and they're doing everything they can do to you know, prepare for something that's months and months away. |
| 18:31.48 | Max Shank | Winter is coming. |
| 18:41.56 | Max Shank | Well and you get the opposite side of the spectrum too when you go to the middle of the freaking desert where it circles back to now it's a different type of harshness of climate and you need a different set of wisdom that is still ah forward thinking. |
| 18:51.26 | mikebledsoe | In here. |
| 18:58.83 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, collecting water. |
| 19:01.50 | Max Shank | And I think it's so yeah, it's so fascinating to look at like the Island Lifestyle because that's what we think of when we think of chill vibes. We think of a beach with palm trees and people. |
| 19:17.51 | mikebledsoe | This shit happens near the equator. |
| 19:18.47 | Max Shank | Taking it easy that that but not in the middle of the desert very severe there. It's just where there's like a union of sunny weather and water and food and it doesn't require a lot of. |
| 19:25.55 | mikebledsoe | You're right. |
| 19:36.62 | Max Shank | Harsh planning. It doesn't require ah an insane amount of ah like shelter ah manufacturing elegance either. You know. |
| 19:44.58 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and so like but and this really gets my interest a lot because it really highlights how different groups of people can be and how different individuals can be and. You know when people talk about you know, global currencies or they talk about trying to bring everybody under a standard set of rules and I immediately go you I don't if you if you want to do that I don't think you really understand how this shit works because we. If we try to bring everyone on the same standard. We don't need everyone having the same architectural standards in Hawaii as we do in Maine these are different architectural standards. These are different currency standards. There's these are all very very different and the result in the year Eu was Germany had to come in and bail out Greece basically and there was there was a lot of people that had a lot of feelings about who really should belong in the eu and should they should they build these countries out because they really just had a lack of planning so in my opinion. |
| 20:53.60 | Max Shank | Little little more accurate agreement ahead of time a little more clear operating agreement to go on what if this happens what if this have you know some contingency plans right? And and I think yeah. |
| 20:59.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so this was a number of years ago, but it you know things have yeah I don't think things have gotten that much better. |
| 21:15.29 | Max Shank | Whenever whenever you're trying to solve something where you think it's really really urgent. You typically don't think forward as many consequences of that band-aid like the quicker you are to slap a solution on you're like okay, everybody drop everything. |
| 21:25.25 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 21:33.14 | Max Shank | Got a solution and they're like but what about what happens next month we can't we don't have time for that. We just have to do this thing right now and next month comes around. You're like hey that solution ah of eating all of our food and burning all the oil. Ah. Is really fucking us over now we we all agree it seemed like a good idea at the time. |
| 21:58.35 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, but but getting back to is you know? ah your environment where you where you grew up what culturally you know if you had parents to grew up in Russia that you might have an attitude of being a little more um, is it called. |
| 22:07.99 | Max Shank | Any. |
| 22:17.27 | Max Shank | Severe austere. Yeah. |
| 22:18.33 | mikebledsoe | Ah, austere. Yeah, you might have a little more austerity and built into your culture I I have a friend whose family's from the Ukraine and and he moved here when he was about 7 and you know he still has that that you could tell he's still got a little bit like you know we got it. We got to save up for winter type of thing even though we're in Austin Texas. |
| 22:39.80 | Max Shank | Tote Yeah and some people have that to a much greater degree and some people have that to a lesser degree. Some people. Ah you know don't have any food at home and feel totally fine and some people don't feel safe unless they have a multiple year. Supply of food at home at all times and that's that's a huge spectrum. |
| 22:58.70 | mikebledsoe | My my girlfriend thinks I have my girlfriend says I have food scarcity issues the ah but the more not and I never thought about it I never thought about it in the context of this conversation because now I'm going. Oh um, I'm extremely. |
| 23:04.40 | Max Shank | Yeah, um I don't know if she is. |
| 23:17.82 | mikebledsoe | Fair skin probably from the north where people had to plan for this. She's she's a quarter Nicaraguan half Mexican and has some European Eastern European in her but like she came from where the the water was flowing and the the sun was abundant. |
| 23:19.16 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 23:36.43 | Max Shank | Dude just tell her she has ah equatorial privilege or something like that and see how that goes over you'd be like. Okay, yeah, you guys you guys have a dance festival. We have a farm to tend to. |
| 23:41.00 | mikebledsoe | Um, I'll bring that up in the next conversation we get in about such topics. |
| 23:51.36 | Max Shank | And some silos that need stocking you guys enjoy the dance festival. So. |
| 23:54.37 | mikebledsoe | But ah, but I think a good example of this also is you ever watch game of thrones. So what was what was the attitude of the people from the north and lots of discipline you you do what you say and you say what you're gonna do and. |
| 23:59.66 | Max Shank | Oh yeah. |
| 24:05.44 | Max Shank | Um, is about as austere as you get is harsh. |
| 24:14.15 | mikebledsoe | There is a level of honesty that's necessary because life life was on the line all the time. |
| 24:18.42 | Max Shank | And then in the south. It's like orgies and you know just free wheeling and dealing kind of lifestyle down there right? and you know there's a lot of I mean it's a story right? But there's. |
| 24:28.62 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 24:37.98 | Max Shank | Ah, guile and lying and backstabbing in all climates. But the austerity of the frozen north versus the temperate tropics is is plain as day in the real world and also in Tv shows. |
| 24:41.40 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 24:51.91 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, you're hang out in Jamaica they're they're so relaxed. Well, that's a thing is like I I from hanging hanging out with people who are from the tropical regions and being living in San Diego for a while taught me how to relax I was like oh I just need to chill the fuck out or um. |
| 24:55.86 | Max Shank | Oh my god Bahamas is. |
| 25:12.23 | mikebledsoe | Stressing myself out. There's something to learn from both. |
| 25:15.10 | Max Shank | I Think it's ah wise to do it animal style which is you're either um, like resting or you're focused. You're just focused on what it is. You're doing So I think it's. |
| 25:27.50 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 25:32.82 | Max Shank | Really valuable to um work on a project and really devote yourself to something but all of the the feelings of. Your worthiness attached to your suffering ah that like puritanical shit is probably not very wise. So if you can really party ah like Carnival but then plan like a frozen ah farmer in the tundra then ah. I Think you'll probably find pretty good success and also um, a really enjoyable social life and lifestyle. |
| 26:15.34 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, you get the best of both worlds I mean and it's 2022 so really good to choose that. Even if you live somewhere that does get cold in the winter when you have a heater and you have cars with with heated seats and all this yeah. |
| 26:28.97 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, my God but you gotta shovel the walk. Maybe you got to scrape ice off your windshield like I went I went to the mountains. |
| 26:34.92 | mikebledsoe | Ah, there's still more austerity there. But what I'm saying is like overall things have become a choice kind of like being fit. Ah you you have the ability to be in the best best shape any human being could ever be in because of all the access to anything you ever wanted. But you can also be in the worst shape and you could. |
| 26:50.00 | Max Shank | And. |
| 26:54.43 | mikebledsoe | You could just completely waste your life away doing nothing and playing video games because life is so easy and there is abundance or you could or you could choose to use the tools that technology has has given us in order to really leverage. |
| 26:58.30 | Max Shank | The. |
| 27:13.25 | mikebledsoe | Strategy in a way that makes a really big impact and so the the amount of choice that we have in these things is way higher. So I think it requires a higher level of discipline If you're gonna I think that a lot I think a lot of people tend to.. They don't even really know what austerity is. |
| 27:29.50 | Max Shank | There's way more pleasure levers. Well there's so many pleasure levers like you can pull the coffee lever you can pull the Tiktok lever. You can get tits on the telephone you can get drugs delivered to your like I can get booze delivered to my door if I want to. Get drugs I can get all kinds of shit just delivered to me so there are pleasure levers everywhere. So ah, um, I'll bring it back to fasting because that's the most. Ah. |
| 27:51.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 28:02.77 | Max Shank | But apart from safety. That's the most significant consistent and primal desire that we work with hunger desire pain all synonyms. So if you can control that 1 thing with conscious ah thought then you have at least the foundation. |
| 28:21.26 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 28:21.44 | Max Shank | To control those other things and so um I don't know if there's it's different for everybody though. It obviously seems easier for some people to not eat tons of chocolates than it is for others. Some people. It seems really hard to not eat chocolates and popcorn all day. I find that a little bit challenging myself I would just snack all day long I'll I will just. |
| 28:47.40 | mikebledsoe | On' the other way I I'm like I for I'll forget to eat type of thing I've I've had to like stay on top of myself my whole life. |
| 28:52.20 | Max Shank | If you're really interested in something ah eating is irrelevant if you're really interested I'll I'll do that too but like I will I'll go a whole day without eating. Yeah. |
| 29:01.93 | mikebledsoe | I Think that's accurate. Yeah I'm a very curious person That's probably why I don't eat much. |
| 29:11.18 | Max Shank | And I'll do that too unless you put a sandwich in front of me like if I see the food if I see the food. It's It's very likely going to be eaten I mean I'll smell it first to make sure it's good just like any other animal but I'm going to eat that food if I see it. |
| 29:26.34 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 29:28.92 | Max Shank | And I can eat such a tremendous quantity of food. It is. It is outrageous like sometimes I will lift the bowl which is like a giant plate. It's like a twelve inch platter that's two feet deep two inches deep not two feet deep like a barrel two inches deep giant ah bowl and I'll fill it and sometimes I'll be carrying it from the kitchen to the table and I'll go holy fuck this this is heavy lifting lifting. This food is heavy to me. And it'll be like 3 to 5 eggs a couple of brotw worstst some rice and cheese and pesto and ricotta and it just becomes this mass of eggs and cheese and meat and and it's shocking. It's shocking. What's that dude are you kit. |
| 30:16.57 | mikebledsoe | On the wonder you got fat. Ah no wonder you got fat. |
| 30:25.52 | Max Shank | I will continue eating like a buffet is like a dream.. The only thing is like how much fried chicken versus fried fish am I going to eat at this thing a buffet is like such a perverted Extravagance. Of Human dominance over the food chain like we just have this cornucopia of different animals and plants that you can eat. It is so extravagant I Fucking Love it. |
| 30:52.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I mean look I'm not that much different if it's in the house I'm gonna fucking eat it like if there's chocolate in here if there's if there's a cake if there's anything that I'm oh. |
| 30:59.63 | Max Shank | The. I had cheesecake this morning with with coffee I had a slice of coffee ah cheesecake with a cup of mocha. Oh my Oh my God and. |
| 31:11.62 | mikebledsoe | Ah, my mouth is watering now. |
| 31:18.52 | Max Shank | It was so delicious and I was just thinking This is what balance really looks like. |
| 31:24.14 | mikebledsoe | The well for me I practice I don't have that kind of shit in my house I and and because I cause I practice because I'll eat it out I practice I practice my discipline when I'm shopping So I do my shopping online I try to shop when. |
| 31:30.46 | Max Shank | Well yeah. |
| 31:41.13 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 31:44.14 | mikebledsoe | I love shopping online for my food because it's not going to get here for 3 or 4 or 5 days like I'm on like a subscription thing and I I I have to have my order in by Tuesday so I write so it arrives on Saturday so I yeah. |
| 31:48.59 | Max Shank | You know this. |
| 31:56.95 | Max Shank | Ah, that's quite a lot of planning required. You must be from a cold climate. |
| 32:02.30 | mikebledsoe | I. Ah, well, ah, well, the company sets it up like that. So if I want to get this massive discount I get it's like 40% off the food because it's you know they're they're reduced the reducing Yeah food weight. Well it's those things they're they're pushing my buttons. Okay, our goal. |
| 32:09.11 | Max Shank | Moon. |
| 32:18.10 | Max Shank | Guaranteed. |
| 32:24.90 | mikebledsoe | This company's goal is to reduce food waste. Okay I like that they're going to take things that are in you know too much supply. Not enough demand and then they're going to package it and send it my door step before it goes bad, perfect and all really high quality organic food. |
| 32:25.85 | Max Shank | Love it. |
| 32:33.50 | Max Shank | Um, super um. |
| 32:39.34 | mikebledsoe | So it's pushing that button for me, it's like oh I want to you know help reduce food waste I'm a good person and then the and then it's it's all very high well I'm saving 40% off of stuff if I were to go to whole foods I'd spend twice as much as what I'm spending here. |
| 32:53.68 | Max Shank | So not only do you feel kind good but you feel smart good. Yeah oh yeah, superior Wow you're so you're you're saintly. |
| 32:58.67 | mikebledsoe | I feel superior and and good. Yeah yeah, superior and and smart. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, practically and then so so then. |
| 33:11.40 | Max Shank | You're practically feeding people. |
| 33:18.24 | mikebledsoe | I I really enjoy I didn't always I wasn't always like this but I I enjoy the routine of it as like oh I need to have my order in by I think it's Wednesday at noon I yeah, it's a ritual I got to you know Wednesday at noon and it pops up on my calendar. Oh time to put my misfit market order in and so. |
| 33:28.50 | Max Shank | It's like a ritual. |
| 33:37.77 | mikebledsoe | Ah, by the way everyone wants the code for that to shoot me a Dm and you'll save ten bucks after your next quarter. Ah I mean I've been trying to squeeze that ad in for like 3 shows. Yeah, so. |
| 33:42.43 | Max Shank | I Knew this was an infomercial for for groceries I knew it shoot better. Get paid. |
| 33:55.21 | mikebledsoe | The um, so yeah, the and 1 thing I noticed was I didn't order a bunch of bullshit every everyone someone because they do have some bullshit in there I could order some some snack food. Yeah and my impulsivity was greatly reduced knowing. |
| 34:02.94 | Max Shank | Um, it's less impulsive. Maybe. |
| 34:13.96 | mikebledsoe | I don't get this food until Saturday and I'm normally ordering the time of day that I'm ordering is usually after breakfast. So like I'm um I have energy my willpower is high I'm um my I'm fed so I'm not. |
| 34:14.54 | Max Shank | Right? I might not even want chocolates by then? no so you're fed. Wow. |
| 34:30.31 | mikebledsoe | Like the worst time you could go shoppings if you're hungry and stoned I mean what are you gonna buy at the grocery store when you're hungry and Stone. So I go in I'm I'm wide awake. Um I'm dialed in I'm fed I'm gonna make good choices. So Anyways, I have I don't remember how I got down that track. But I. I Hope it's helpful for somebody. |
| 34:49.71 | Max Shank | It's you know it's an environmental hack. That's what it is. We're we're talking about environment. We're talking about what kind of food makes it into the house because that's where the battle is That's the important battle is what gets past the front door. |
| 34:52.59 | mikebledsoe | Really is. |
| 35:06.56 | Max Shank | What gets in the house. So if you just have some good security at the gate you are going to have a much easier time and that reminds me of the most significant gate that requires security in your life which is your mouth. |
| 35:06.87 | mikebledsoe | That's true. That's true. |
| 35:25.77 | Max Shank | Both the things that you say and the things that you consume that that is that is where the ruin of many men really comes from is just weak security at the mouth. |
| 35:28.27 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 35:38.41 | mikebledsoe | True Dad True dad. Yeah, ah this makes me but so the concept of making poor decision making difficult or good decision making easy One of the things that I've done is. |
| 35:52.28 | Max Shank | Un. |
| 35:57.30 | mikebledsoe | I've invested in some crypto and for me to move crypto around or cash it out. It's ah it's a task I cannot without my iphone hit the app on my phone because most 99% of people holding crypto can just pull put in and pull out all willy- nily. |
| 36:14.96 | Max Shank | Does it make you more deliberate but less agile. |
| 36:16.74 | mikebledsoe | Whenever they feel like it. Absolutely yeah and for for long term investing why you don't need agility. You actually yeah, you want to sacrifice that for the purpose of yeah being deliberate. So. |
| 36:30.33 | Max Shank | Especially if you're a very inflammatory decision maker like oh my god it went down 5% I got to sell everything right. |
| 36:36.10 | mikebledsoe | Right? right? and um, like I don't even have I don't I can't even look at um, why don't have any apps on my phone to even track what's happening in the crypto markets I haven't looked at my crypto holdings in over a month |
| 36:48.10 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 36:54.50 | mikebledsoe | And people are like oh it's going down I'm like okay because I can't see it. It doesn't bother me and the thing is is I'm not gonna I wouldn't cash out anyway. But if I was watching it day to day I'd be experiencing the emotional distress. It's an environmental thing like. |
| 37:00.94 | Max Shank | Well, you yeah you. |
| 37:12.14 | mikebledsoe | The the apps on your phone is part of your environment the feed the trough I'm always wanted to get like ah I wanted to create a comic of of and maybe there's one out there where the feed is going into a trough and. |
| 37:13.80 | Max Shank | Um, maybe like the news perhaps or the feed I mean the feed this the fire hose pointed at your face huh. |
| 37:32.70 | mikebledsoe | People are just feeding on it. |
| 37:32.99 | Max Shank | Oh I'm sure you could find that comic right now. Ah, but that's a big part of your environment that's chosen I think it's probably rare that a person looks at a screen for less than 2 hours a day. So. |
| 37:36.48 | mikebledsoe | Now And um. |
| 37:52.77 | Max Shank | that's that's 2 hours of mostly receiving messages from ah a carefully curated environment to make you feel a certain way and you know we're always, we're always talking about mind control essentially because even the actions that you take. You got to use your mind and then outsource it to your legs to get up and run or kick or jump or whatever so looking at the direct influences on your mind that make you think or feel a certain way is huge. You know looking at your. Investments every single day can be fun if you're one of those people or it can be a stressor looking at the news every day can be fun if you're one of those people or it can be a tremendous stressor to you and it's all how you ah. |
| 38:44.77 | mikebledsoe | Um I don't know where fun. The news could be but. |
| 38:49.44 | Max Shank | I Think some people absolutely get off on it. Um, otherwise they wouldn't keep watching right? Um, there's it's like fear pornography. You know I'm I'm like okay okay horror a horror flick. |
| 38:54.78 | mikebledsoe | I Think they're addicted to the I mean it's all dopamine. Yeah yeah, it's the same people who like horror flicks I could care less about horror flick. |
| 39:08.96 | Max Shank | By the way have you ever seen a horror movie that was rated pg 13 and really fucking scary have you ever seen something like that. Okay, so have I and it makes me wonder what's so goddamn offensive about a pair of titties I mean if I see. |
| 39:15.47 | mikebledsoe | I have. |
| 39:27.71 | Max Shank | Okay, so titties are rated R but I can watch a fucking demon rip some like young child in half and then like eat their ah like guts on screen on screen and and I can't see ah an Aryola I mean are this is like. |
| 39:33.24 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah, well totally. |
| 39:46.75 | mikebledsoe | Dude dude dude. So ah I'm I'm I'm at my this is like five or six years ago I'm at my ex wife's parents house and the ah. |
| 39:47.54 | Max Shank | Whose idea is this? What's more damaging. |
| 40:03.21 | mikebledsoe | You know it's a holiday and they're watching movies you know Tv's on all day and then he's a baptist preacher and so anything that involves sex at all is just a big. No. No, we're watching this horror flick and people are just getting murdered left and right it's like the most violent thing ever. And then there's this sex scene that comes on just for a minute he changes the channel and he's like why do they gotta put that in there and I'm sitting there yeah ah I'm sitting there I'm going I like my my brain was just melting in that. |
| 40:29.62 | Max Shank | No way. |
| 40:42.69 | mikebledsoe | Spot I I couldn't even say anything I just remember looking at my ex mean like what? what's happening like this was okay. So so the the demonstration the demonstration of destruction. |
| 40:42.97 | Max Shank | Wow. |
| 40:51.17 | Max Shank | That is that is like a caricature. That's so funny to me. That's what we're talking about. |
| 41:01.25 | mikebledsoe | And death and murder and violence totally fine, but the act of love is is the thing we want to avoid that's ah it's very interesting. |
| 41:14.31 | Max Shank | Ah, yeah, that's that's really weird. But I mean that is pretty much on brand for for religion to be okay with ah killing a lot of folks but not necessarily having orgies on the altar. |
| 41:30.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 41:33.52 | Max Shank | In fact, the the folks who did orgies on the altar the ah the bigger religions were the first ones to to to stop them doing that right woa. Okay, so you're you're so you're I'm. |
| 41:40.97 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, get a so it is back on track. |
| 41:53.40 | Max Shank | Um, bringing this train back on the tracks because we were talking about how the screens are a part of your environment and it's really important to be honest with yourself about how big of an impact they are on your environment from a percentage standpoint because whatever you. |
| 41:58.69 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 42:11.65 | Max Shank | Ah, pay attention to that's essentially what your universe is like it's your perspective of what's going On. So Whether you're watching horror films or pornography or the news which is basically like fear pornography. It's like the stakes are high and we're going to terrify you. But somehow if you had never heard about this thing. It wouldn't have made a difference.. That's what's so shocking to me. |
| 42:35.00 | mikebledsoe | You know what are some of the things that ah ah, some of the conscious choices you've made about your environment that help you live the the life that you really want to be living enhance the lifestyle. |
| 42:53.00 | Max Shank | Oh my god I do have a television in my house and it's huge. Just like my genitals. That's how that's how you measure right? I got a giant truck I have a giant Tv I'm here at a party. |
| 42:54.71 | mikebledsoe | You have a television in your house. Where's it position. |
| 43:06.17 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that's pretty much all you need. |
| 43:12.30 | Max Shank | Um, no my my environment is amazing I have an environment that makes it so easy to play and to exercise my brother came over with his niece or my niece his daughter and son and there's a park. Across the street from my house and and I have every toy I have balls and frisbees and sticks and ropes and games and things like that and it's It's really just the most fun place to be ever and you don't you don't um. You don't play because it's like going to burn calories or because you're going to get some Ah I don't know some ulterior Motive. You just do it because it's fun. Like for its for its own Sake. So My my house is very much. |
| 44:05.51 | mikebledsoe | There's There's no, there's no necessity necessity for progress to be made. |
| 44:09.18 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean it's fun to play better at something but playing is by far the best I mean winning is great but playing is the best and once you get to that point then you'll see life a lot differently because you also won't tolerate. Encounters that are not playful and fun like the more you hold a high standard for the types of interactions you want to be in conversations can be kept playful ah activities and sport can be kept playful. It's like. Do you really want to talk with someone who's getting angry and yelling at the time. No Do you really want to play tennis with someone who is getting angry and yelling at the time on the tennis core. It's like no, you don't want to tolerate those sorts of um energies really. So My environment physically is amazing. It's practically cheating I have a pool hot tub I got the whole like spa here at home I Got an outdoor area for exercising I got all the fun Toys Tennis courts across the street. Ah, friends who live close by which is maybe even more important and then the gym is a giant playground really total unfair advantage. Great community, Great friends Once again, um. You You do stuff just because it is fun to do not because you you will get other benefits. No question but ah, just doing stuff that is intrinsically fun with people that you care about is is a huge. Unfair Advantage. So Both the physical spaces that I most occupy and the people that I engage with are very playful, lighthearted funny and I don't have to like filter myself like I can say ah like titties. If I want to and they won't get offended or change the station. So ah, the environment is very open for ah experimentation, exploration and falling or failing which is a big part of learning to I mean I could talk about this literally all day Because. Ah, that's the easiest way to provide a good ah gym environment is to create a community and a space where falling and failing is safe to do both ego wise. Ah so more like metaphorically and then also physically. |
| 46:57.42 | Max Shank | Like do you have crash pads. Can you teach people How to fall can you? um you know explore your limits without having to be afraid both verbally and physically so I think um I think it's invaluable. |
| 47:11.97 | mikebledsoe | Beautiful, beautiful. Um, yeah, yeah, well I'll speak about my situation and but I I moved to Austin Texas because I was looking for a new environment to live in I left intonnita is before. |
| 47:18.98 | Max Shank | That's the easy way. |
| 47:31.41 | mikebledsoe | Covid hit I think sometimes when I talk to people in Austin I'm like oh you're one of those people that flood California when covid hit. It's like well I left before I was looking for something new before all that mess. Um, and I I wasn't getting I wasn't getting what I needed there for some reason even though. |
| 47:39.50 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 47:50.68 | mikebledsoe | Where you live is basically heaven. Um. |
| 47:53.46 | Max Shank | Well, you had a lot of things that you were doing that you stopped doing there right? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but was that the time when you like switched businesses and relationships and locations pretty much all at the same time like you're like. |
| 48:07.16 | mikebledsoe | All the same time. |
| 48:11.10 | Max Shank | I Don't know what needs to change. So let's change all of it I get it. |
| 48:13.18 | mikebledsoe | Ah, pretty much pretty much I think I think um, nothing fit anymore and I ended up traveling around I chose Austin Texas because you know I didn't think I wanted to live near a city. But then I realized how much I love all the different amenities. |
| 48:32.16 | Max Shank | I am. |
| 48:32.28 | mikebledsoe | And what I realized also is community is the most important thing to me if I yeah my my girlfriend and I we we were I remember we were down in Columbia ah, not this past January about a year and a half ago and you know the world was being. |
| 48:37.73 | Max Shank | What. |
| 48:51.93 | mikebledsoe | Was fairly chaotic. We were in lockdowns half the time when we were there. We had the January sixth thing going on up here and I'm like man this is a very disappointing time I don't know what's going to happen next. It seems like this whole situation isn't getting better. It's only getting worse. Okay, if we were gonna get stuck in one because. We're basically stuck in 1 spot for four or five days at a time multiple times while we were there so I'm like all right if we get stuck somewhere for 5 years So let's just do the the thought experiment. Yeah, the thought experiment is you can't leave five mile radius for 5 years |
| 49:21.47 | Max Shank | 5 years |
| 49:29.75 | mikebledsoe | Where do you live and and that really got us thinking in a whole new set of terms and the result ended up being Austin Texas because we also realized that if we're gonna be 5 years say we can't leave a five mile mile race in 5 years thing that matters the most is who we're surrounded by so we looked to south for and we looked at Austin because we we had a lot of friends moved to both and and so we ended up here in Austin and made my my ah end up buying a house and the location I bought my house is. |
| 49:54.43 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, oh. |
| 50:07.31 | mikebledsoe | Ah, 15 minutes from this place called Kuyja where I saw it in cold plunge two 3 4 days a week and I used to have a son and cold plunge in my house and I and I was planning on getting my own but I realized that when I go do it in community cause I train at my my house I don't. I don't really do a lot of training outside of my house I don't have like that I'm not getting my community somewhere else. Um I'm doing a little more now I'm getting back into it now that? Ah yeah, I'm getting some shit aligned. |
| 50:29.18 | Max Shank | You don't really do a lot of training period right? You don't really do a lot of training at all. |
| 50:45.30 | mikebledsoe | But um, the. |
| 50:46.14 | Max Shank | Ah I'm I'm a fine one to talk. It's sometimes really hard to get me to do like strength exercise. |
| 50:52.78 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I I probably lived heavy once a week and then I'd fuck around the rest of the time so it is it is now. |
| 50:59.67 | Max Shank | That's good. It's hard when you're already really strong like I hardly am going to get that much more benefit and I know that's not a popular take for a fitness guy but but. |
| 51:12.17 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well the thing is when you got 20 years of fitness under your belt like my girlfriend's like you barely work out and how do you you got muscles and you're strong and I go I've been doing this for twenty years Twenty five years I've been lifting weights for 25 years I don't have to do a lot more. |
| 51:23.48 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, yeah, maintenance on a maintenance on a skyscraper is very different than building 1 |
| 51:31.95 | mikebledsoe | Yes, so but I chose to to live somewhere that's driving distance. That's easy to go to this place because that's where I get my community fix. So I go hang out if I have a sun and cold plunge in my house I found that I was doing about once a week when I spend. Couple hundred bucks a month to be a member at this place I'm invested partly because I'm paying for it. But that's part of it. But also it's actually overall cheaper than having a sana and cold plunge I mean that sana I had was like $18000 and. |
| 51:54.42 | Max Shank | You're invested. |
| 51:59.40 | Max Shank | The people. |
| 52:06.78 | mikebledsoe | Cold plunges run like 3 to $5000 yeah and I have but. |
| 52:08.10 | Max Shank | Well, you can get those both a lot cheaper, but okay, yeah, that is our 18 k for a sauna that is extravagant I know what saunnas cost that's like Johnny Rockefeller sauna over here. |
| 52:17.82 | mikebledsoe | Ah, ah yeah, ah and you had some bells and whistles. Um, but I go and I for the community. So like environment wise. |
| 52:28.88 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 52:35.44 | mikebledsoe | Like there's certain things I put in place that cause me to interact with people because I know myself in that I'm a very social person but unless there's a reason to see somebody I'll stay at home. Yeah I'll stay at home I'll make my own food I'll. |
| 52:47.66 | Max Shank | Feels frivolous if there's no reason for it. Yeah. |
| 52:53.33 | mikebledsoe | Train in my gym I'll work at the house I'll read. It'll be getting dark outside and I realize that I haven't seen anybody in three days and that that's just not good for my mental health and or my girlfriend either because she'll get caught up in the same thing. |
| 52:55.64 | Max Shank | Totally. |
| 53:01.37 | Max Shank | Totally and it's hard to it's hard to recognize from the first person perspective that you're that you're lacking that because you get in your head right? You're in your head you're in your head you're in your head. |
| 53:10.54 | mikebledsoe | Totally totally. |
| 53:19.17 | Max Shank | That's why it's so valuable to have people and activities where you get out of your head and you just are ah enjoying being with the community or in communion in communication with ah other people. It's It's really big so we have the places and the peoples basically. |
| 53:29.59 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 53:37.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 53:38.61 | Max Shank | Of environment and also the the stuff there are some. There are some things that make it way way easier. |
| 53:45.24 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, or what? ah ah I put little like things in place I make little rules for myself or I'll make something like I said earlier difficult or easy and one of the things is I desire to work on my garden in the backyard. So I got a new house. And I want to have a garden. You know there's a bit of a garden already going from the previous owner. So I hired someone to mow my lawn but there they only mow the front I have to do the back and if I don't go back there and do something in the garden area at least once a week |
| 54:05.50 | Max Shank | The. |
| 54:21.67 | Max Shank | It'll get gnarly. |
| 54:22.67 | mikebledsoe | It'll start getting gnarly. So and I'm gonna look at it every fucking day every day I walk through my living room and I'm gonna look in my backyard and go man that shit's getting gnarly so it causes me and and when I do get out there i' finished work. You know 4 5 six p m I get out there and I start gardening I love it. |
| 54:25.24 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 54:41.95 | mikebledsoe | Got my shirt off out in the sun feels good like it's the best way to end the day and you know if I had no if I if I ah had if I hired if I if I told the people. |
| 54:42.84 | Max Shank | F. Not really optimizing your exercise though with that. |
| 54:57.44 | mikebledsoe | Cutting my grass cost me twenty more dollars for them to do my backyard too. You know from a mathematical perspective. You're like wow the amount of time you'd save but it wouldn't it wouldn't cause me to go take action in the garden. So little things like that. Ah. |
| 54:59.83 | Max Shank | Well worth it. |
| 55:15.80 | mikebledsoe | You can you can set up for yourself make make it a little inconvenient to do to not do something. |
| 55:21.45 | Max Shank | And I think the idea of making everyday things into rituals can be really healing for some people and if you're not if you're not rushing through the gardening if you're just doing it at a comfortable pace. And you're really with the task I think that can be really beneficial for you. |
| 55:43.65 | mikebledsoe | That I just I um I noticed I've become way more process oriented less results oriented when I look at the what I what I love about the garden is it would never be done. You can't finish that project. |
| 55:52.28 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 55:59.68 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean can you ever ah that okay, so the idea of truly ever finishing a project because as soon as you finish 1 you think of things that you would do differently or want to change. |
| 56:12.47 | mikebledsoe | Totally. But if you were to build a cabinet right? or you build a dresser and then you put it in your room and it's complete project's done and a lot of people in a race to get it done or. |
| 56:20.98 | Max Shank | Yeah, the project's done but you might still feel some lingering thoughts. Yeah, that's it I think the the racing. |
| 56:31.67 | mikebledsoe | Brett I would love about the garden is because you know it you can't finish it. It's more about yeah I'll just be out here for an hour and I'll just do what I can do in an hour |
| 56:35.17 | Max Shank | Yeah, well, it's the difference I mean maintenance like that is very different than creation of something. Especially you know a living breathing thing like your yard versus. Let's say a cabinet. Which would require some maintenance depending on how it's built certain maintenance depending on how it's built but the garden is very different because there's no,, There's no finality to it because it's always growing right. |
| 56:56.21 | mikebledsoe | A. |
| 57:07.38 | mikebledsoe | No. |
| 57:12.97 | Max Shank | I think being ah in touch with dirt and grass and trees and water is really valuable and I don't have a specific study that I would like to cite to to prove that that is the case but I don't think it's too bold to say that ah Animals. Should touch the ground and the trees sometimes. |
| 57:34.23 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, ah I when I go to bed night if I if I've spent time in my yard barefoot on the ground moving some shit around whatever it is if I do that between being in the dirt and then. |
| 57:48.17 | Max Shank | And. |
| 57:53.42 | mikebledsoe | Being present while the sun is going down my ability to go to to bed that night the mind is relaxed. The body is relaxed. You know that you can look at the studies on what happens with sunsets and hormones. Maybe you're staring at a computer screen. |
| 57:55.11 | Max Shank | And. |
| 58:12.14 | mikebledsoe | Or television screen when the sun goes on outside you pretty much missed this your body's missing the signal that it was time to go to bed and that's why it? yeah you got to stop working. |
| 58:21.79 | Max Shank | That requires good planning. Well I think that's maybe the fourth dimension of environment I'm just riffing here. But if you I always come really prepared. |
| 58:33.40 | mikebledsoe | I Thought this show was nothing but a big riff. |
| 58:41.21 | Max Shank | I Don't know what I don't know what you do I don't maybe the audience can tell that difference too. But no I don't know. Ah I think time is is environmental also because time is like a container and it goes back to what we were talking about with when you turn it on. |
| 58:50.36 | mikebledsoe | Move. Um, well, it's definitely a structure. So yeah, it is container. |
| 58:59.38 | Max Shank | And focus. Yeah, and I know for myself. Ah, and people I've coached and known if there's ah a timer counting down things seem to happen a lot faster. And if there's not a timer counting down with an endpoint things happen. However, slow or fast they go. There's just no telling what's gonna happen. But if you set out if you set the stage right? and you say this half hour in this space so this environment of space this environment of time I'm going to do x and then you promise yourself that you're going to stop when the timer is done that is a really good way to. Balance that on off switch so you can really be on instead of just being like half on all the time I have a tendency to always be thinking about this kind of stuff that you and I are discussing on Mondays. How to do a better job coaching people. Ah, mentally physically how to do a better job creating books and videos for people how to make the gym run more smoothly. all all that stuff so it's good to just have a notebook close by if you think of something naturally, but. There's also a big advantage to having these time containers I'm going to sit down here. I'm not going to do anything except this one task and when the timer's up I'm done and of course you got to be flexible with that. But I think. |
| 01:00:46.93 | mikebledsoe | That's um, that's pretty much what I use for work is I use a software called Mardut method and it's got a program my entire business into it and some tasks. |
| 01:00:47.38 | Max Shank | That That's a really valuable way to hack the environment. |
| 01:00:58.26 | Max Shank | Here. |
| 01:01:02.28 | mikebledsoe | Related to projects. Some are one off tasks and there are other things called chores chores are the ones that repeat on a certain frequency and the frequency is completely customizable but I end up like I knew that when I logged into my to work today that I had 12 tasks to complete. Some of those tasks take a minute or 2 some them some of them will take 2 to 3 hours um well a couple of them will take 2 to 3 hours um and Mondays ah along like Mondays and Tuesdays are long and then the the rest of the week kind of dwindles down and you know fucking off. But. |
| 01:01:24.10 | Max Shank | It's pretty cool. |
| 01:01:39.91 | mikebledsoe | The ah but I I hit the play button on the task and all the other tasks disappear and a timer starts on that task and so it it over time. It starts predicting how much. |
| 01:01:40.54 | Max Shank | Sounds optimized for productivity folks. |
| 01:01:50.29 | Max Shank | On that task. Cool. |
| 01:01:58.99 | mikebledsoe | How much work you have ahead of you that day. So I logged in this morning goes you have 7.1 hours of work ahead of you today. It's like oh interesting by Friday it'll say like you know an hour and a half or half an hour but the ah just want to give people. |
| 01:02:13.70 | Max Shank | If my to do list good god if my if my to do list said you're going to work for 7 hours today I think I would just shoot myself. |
| 01:02:16.42 | mikebledsoe | Um, ah give people a realistic view of how much I work I don't want to think I work myself to death. |
| 01:02:28.56 | mikebledsoe | It's a long day what you know it's funny is I was I was working I was working like four or five hours a day five days a week and I and I ended up stacking my schedule I actually enjoy just spending two days plowing |
| 01:02:30.89 | Max Shank | Ah, not actually that's a little too morbid. Yeah. |
| 01:02:44.77 | Max Shank | Oh yeah. |
| 01:02:46.30 | mikebledsoe | And then the third day kind of a midday thing and then Thursday Fridays chill but but hitting that play button and knowing that I'm being timed on the task keeps me on task because I I want an accurate recording of what's happening because. |
| 01:02:54.14 | Max Shank | Um, Ah, yeah. Ice and ah. |
| 01:03:03.87 | mikebledsoe | But the more accurate it becomes the ah the quicker you know things happen in my business. It is more honest, yeah in a while. |
| 01:03:09.36 | Max Shank | It's more honest, It's more honest too I started doing timestamps even in my notebook just writing I just put the the time in brackets of when I when I stopped writing and when I started writing and. |
| 01:03:23.64 | mikebledsoe | Wow I Only do the date I Only have the date I write my notes in order of when they came to the ideas came to me too. |
| 01:03:26.78 | Max Shank | Ah, because I'll what's that yeah I like to look at how long I was. That's a smart organizational tool. And then what I'll do after is I'll be like okay, stop at Eleven Thirty nine but then I'll maybe jot like a few bullets of what I want to continue writing about for next time. So I can come back? um. |
| 01:03:53.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, nice. |
| 01:04:00.46 | Max Shank | I Think that's I think that's pretty good I think we covered a lot of important stuff. We didn't really riff too much on the specific differences between cultures and climates. But I think ah is pretty straightforward how that was fun. |
| 01:04:09.58 | mikebledsoe | Now we didn't get into I think people get it I think we used a couple examples and yeah, yeah, and I think we can appreciate. That's a big benefit of traveling are you and I have both traveled all over the world and. |
| 01:04:18.88 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:04:23.38 | Max Shank | Big time. |
| 01:04:27.49 | mikebledsoe | You get to see the value in all these different cultures and and get to see that everybody is at the core the same but also seeing all the differences and the beauty and that and. |
| 01:04:36.56 | Max Shank | M. |
| 01:04:43.37 | mikebledsoe | You know one place couldn't exist with the existence of the other like like the re yeah the reason the Canadians can have cheap health care is because the Americans are paying for all of it. You know and no, it's just. |
| 01:04:47.16 | Max Shank | Man Absolutely and. |
| 01:04:56.66 | Max Shank | Ah, there is a lot of stuff like that I think I think ultimately compassion is about perspective and compassion is sort of a superpower because the further you extend it the less resentful you become. Less ah prideful and superior and fearful you become and compassion ah is all about perspective. Can you can you understand just how different that other person may be you don't know what their environment's like you don't know what their parents were like you don't Know. What kind of stories they used to believe or currently believe and I think environment is a big part of that you know because then you can also have compassion for yourself and you can set up your environment as if you were a retarded chimp. That's what I do basically. I Just imagine that I am a full or half retarded chimp at my core and I'm looking for pleasure and I'm looking to go away from Pain. So if I set my telephone in the drawer out of sight out of mind if I put the cheesecake out of sight out of mind. |
| 01:06:02.59 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. |
| 01:06:13.48 | Max Shank | It's going to be a lot easier to avoid those things and if I'm doing it from a place of compassion then I'm a little more understanding of the decisions I've made in the past and I recognize that you know you're not going to do everything perfectly and neither is everybody else I think that's. |
| 01:06:30.22 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah I think the the traveling and seeing where everyone else where a lot of other people came from is is key in having compassion but also just going through a process of being compassionate for yourself because I think that anyone who has really dug deep and found. |
| 01:06:30.97 | Max Shank | Ah, big part of this too. |
| 01:06:35.45 | Max Shank | More more more big. |
| 01:06:49.83 | mikebledsoe | Where they they've judged themselves in you know we tend to judge our our previous self based on what we know now which if we can get out of that and really have compassion for what created the the being that we are right now I've found that. |
| 01:06:51.38 | Max Shank | Um, oh yeah. |
| 01:07:07.57 | mikebledsoe | That that's created the most amount of compassion for others because I go man I've been through some shit and you know what it's okay, I'm doing a great job and I'm gonna continue to do better and this and that and then the the more compassion I had for myself I look at other people and go who the fuck knows. What? what? they've been through like if if if I had to Deal. You know my life is pretty good and if I had to go through a lot of crazy stuff that that I needed to forgive myself for these other people they need to as Well. So I don't I don't need to come down on anybody. |
| 01:07:41.50 | Max Shank | Well, they're animals exactly you me them were animals within an environment and we're just trying to survive and some of us get past just trying to survive and we go ooh how about thriving. |
| 01:07:45.40 | mikebledsoe | They're they're doing it to themselves. |
| 01:07:57.59 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 01:07:59.85 | Max Shank | And we try to be like a little more of you know mating possibilities a little more legacy type of opportunities right? But ah, most most people are just trying to survive in the environment using what they know and. |
| 01:08:14.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:08:19.39 | Max Shank | Really easy to be compassionate for people if you recognize that. |
| 01:08:21.70 | mikebledsoe | You know you know what's ah, let's wrap this bad boy up what's where can people find you. |
| 01:08:31.99 | Max Shank | Http://maxshank.com you can find me and couple spots left for the the partner agility and strength system course June Eleventh ah maxshank dot Com slash pass first one ever. Ah I don't want to I don't want to exaggerate how good it is but it is by far better than any other personal training system in the history of time. So if you're interested. |
| 01:08:59.89 | mikebledsoe | I I would ah I haven't seen it but I believe you I believe you he's probably right? He's right about a lot of things folks. Ah for the. |
| 01:09:06.76 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. Save that clip. |
| 01:09:14.87 | mikebledsoe | For the for the coaches out there. I've got a virtual summit coming up at the end of June June Twenty third through twenty fifth if you go to shop I think if you go to shop http://dotthestrongcoach.com you'll you'll find it there. Um. We'll we'll definitely be taking signups in a week or so be on the lookout for it. It's a name your own price. You can pay anything between a dollar and two hundred and ninety seven dollars I just asked that you pay something that has you committed to the process three day event where I'm bringing in some great speakers that are gonna share how they built their coaching businesses. So. |
| 01:09:43.81 | Max Shank | Wow. |
| 01:09:51.70 | mikebledsoe | Have some heavy hitters there. You'll definitely want to make it and we're recording it. So even if you can't make it live super easy. My brother love you. |
| 01:09:57.59 | Max Shank | Sweet Love you brother take care. Thanks everybody. |
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| 00:00.00 | mikebledsoe | Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're gonna be talking about how to make better decisions using using vision values and boundaries and I'll tell you what we've already gotten into some interesting conversation before we fired up the mics and that's why we decided we need to just get this show started right now because we were getting. Often to some interesting weeds because we'll probably talk about genetics as well. How you doing max. |
| 00:25.52 | Max Shank | I'm doing good man I'm excited to talk about this I think that the more wealth you get the more time you can spend and the less overall decisions. You must make. Ah, investing is a good example of that where you have a really high amount of Leverage. So Every decision is very significant and the precision. Ah and accuracy of those decisions is amplified because a small error one way or the other can really. Increase the cost and reduce the benefit. So all the way from deciding what to pull out of the fridge to eat and deciding which company to invest to and which partner to Choose. It's the most important thing ever and a lot of things influence your decision making. |
| 01:15.34 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, one of the things that brought this up for me is I I have this whole. Ah I have a lot of momentum in my life to travel and there's a lot of events and ah. I I started to notice that I desire to attend less and less things and spend more time at home and really honing in on what's really important and what's not important in getting into these conversations with my girlfriend and really noticing you know. You know if you have no vision and you're trying to make decisions then you're really doomed to the momentum of the past you're not gonna create anything new Consciously. So well, there's 2 factors here. You're you're gonna repeat the past and. And the patterns of the past. But also you're way more susceptible to other people's visions. So if somebody else is intentionally creating a vision and you're being impacted by that and you've created no vision whatsoever for yourself then you you probably won't even notice. That you they you may wonder how did I get to this place in my life. Well you it was a mixture of repeating your your historical patterns and the historical patterns of others and the intentional vision of others as well. |
| 02:45.94 | Max Shank | It doesn't sound good. That's for sure. ah ah I totally relate on the traveling thing as you know I traveled like an absolute maniac for many years |
| 02:51.43 | mikebledsoe | Ah, don't be a sucker. |
| 03:04.96 | Max Shank | I think I was like ah like a street cred Conquistador I would go to different cities around the world and I would teach the Holy Gospel of whatever I knew at the time and pretend like it was this. Massive Authority and people responded favorably to that which was so weird I can't I can't explain what that shift was like because I rose up so fast from being a personal trainer. Going to attend certifications to being only a couple years older and teaching those certifications and I was just trying to grab as much alphaness and street cred and want people to love Me. Maybe even Adoration I think. |
| 03:58.82 | mikebledsoe | I got there I think. |
| 04:00.43 | Max Shank | And right and that was what I saw as the best model the people who were the best in health and fitness industry were the ones who wrote the books and flew around the world teaching seminars and. I've always been one to ah hit the eject button really fast as soon as the appropriate catalyst is there so I went from 20 to 30 trips a year flying and teaching all over to 0 within one weekend. Just chose I was like wow I don't think I actually like this I just want people to like me more than other people. How greedy does that sound I want people to like me way more than other people. So I'm going to keep sacrificing whatever i. Actually want to do and might have fun with and might be ah sustainable or I can you know keep doing this thing where I I just hope people will love me if I do it good enough. |
| 05:11.55 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, oh what's your relationship to compliments. |
| 05:16.64 | Max Shank | Ah I would have to get one first but ah I would imagine if someone did give me a compliment I would deflect it I would deflect it humorously. |
| 05:27.62 | mikebledsoe | Max you're you're so you not. So would you say maybe you you started getting compliments and you you didn't like it. |
| 05:38.27 | Max Shank | Um I started feeling exposed ah like people would just it was so weird, almost everywhere I go people would recognize me like on the street or in a store and that was a. |
| 05:42.20 | mikebledsoe | Ah, by right? You're getting more attention and you felt exposed. |
| 05:53.95 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 05:58.50 | Max Shank | Was a total mind fuck and I'm I'm like in the big scheme of things compared to Bill Murray or something like that I'm nobody but just being recognized when you think you're a stranger in a crowd it. It was a total mind fuck I mean I didn't. |
| 06:16.23 | mikebledsoe | You're not yes. |
| 06:17.10 | Max Shank | It wasn't like harmful that part but I had to fortunately I had the luxury to reevaluate how I wanted to live my life and I realized I I didn't want to be hustling around on planes and in and out of hotels and so. |
| 06:33.57 | mikebledsoe | So yeah, what? what? ah was can you think of what what created that because usually there's sometime of real a birthday. |
| 06:36.18 | Max Shank | The boundary came up really fast and I've. |
| 06:43.49 | Max Shank | Is Birth Birth is birthday I do some good introspection around birthdays and I I went to the Bahamas with a good friend of mine and it was no I didn't work at all. And it was that was rare and I just hung out on the beach and I ran around and played games and went on water slides I was like wow this is this is really fun and it's not because ah you know later I'll get more if I do a good job. |
| 07:19.33 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 07:22.32 | Max Shank | It was just fun. Yeah, so. |
| 07:28.69 | Max Shank | You know what catalyst means something that causes or accelerates a reaction without changing and I thought that was really I just looked this up the other day. |
| 07:32.83 | mikebledsoe | No no. |
| 07:42.88 | mikebledsoe | Would that be like ah an enzyme that that would would cause the change but maintains its own attributes. Interesting. |
| 07:46.54 | Max Shank | Exactly. Yeah, and I had never known that before and it was such a cool thing because I realized that's what I would Ah, that's how I would like to do things ah from ah. I would say from a teaching perspective but that's not really the full story because actually one of the best things about teaching is that you do ah become changed quite a lot from the different variety of students that you interact with yeah. |
| 08:20.16 | mikebledsoe | But I've learned more teaching never did from sitting in a room. Yeah. |
| 08:25.63 | Max Shank | So it so it doesn't really make sense that way but I definitely think the concept of a catalyst is really cool. It's like you don't have to give some of yourself and diminish yourself so that you can create that reaction again. |
| 08:27.99 | mikebledsoe | I think I think being a. |
| 08:35.23 | mikebledsoe | Totally, there's ah, there's a conversation we have in my strong coach curriculum early on which is creating distinctions so you have you have definitions of words but you also have distinctions and that means that. And the reason we have those is because in in our society people tend to collapse the definitions of 2 words because they don't actually know the definitions and they don't create a distinction between the two and we talk about service and sacrifice and how that's a very common collapse distinction in the. |
| 08:59.46 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 09:09.83 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 09:13.33 | mikebledsoe | Entrepreneurial world. Um, it's it's ah if you look at the different cat The you know the the Us caste system. You know we got our different classes of people and so the the blue collar class which is what. |
| 09:29.31 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 09:31.88 | mikebledsoe | But I came from is the service and sacrifice are almost sine synonymous right? and they ah they get those words are interchanged. You know part of that's part of that's a. |
| 09:37.77 | Max Shank | And. |
| 09:51.30 | mikebledsoe | Probably due to christianity and you know Jesus Christ as as the servant that made the greatest sacrifice I imagine that's put together. Also, if also if. |
| 09:53.61 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 10:02.52 | Max Shank | It's a more compelling story. It's a more compelling So story if you sacrifice yourself. Um I don't think it's a healthy attitude. But I think a lot of people are under the impression that if you are wounded in some way in the service of others. Then you get a little bit more street cred and it it does make a more compelling story. |
| 10:23.56 | mikebledsoe | There's there's it's it's noble and you should be proud and that's yeah, so it this what I notice after working you know digging around at a bunch of people's minds. |
| 10:27.93 | Max Shank | A martyr. |
| 10:39.52 | mikebledsoe | And I've worked with people who ah, most of the people I've worked with come from a blue collar background or their parents were in some way and a handful of people who grew up in homes where you know, ah the relationship to money was very different. The the way they lived. Their lives were very different things were. |
| 10:57.89 | Max Shank | A. |
| 10:57.93 | mikebledsoe | Little easier and they don't have that collapse distinction. They they go Oh this is service and the sacrifice these are different things I've I've taught people this before and in a room and some people are like yeah duh. It's like oh tell me about how you grew up. Okay, oh someone who's. |
| 11:08.19 | Max Shank | Man. |
| 11:14.54 | Max Shank | No. |
| 11:17.36 | mikebledsoe | Who goes Oh my God that was a huge exercise for me. It's like oh how did you grow up interesting here and so also if you're if you're somebody who's in power. So say you're you're running a country or something like that if you can convince the lower class people that. Must sacrifice in order to be of service and if you're not being of service then you're a leech on society and you don't feel good about yourself If You're not sacrificing So It's a really good story to tell in order to get people to enlist in the military.. It's a really good story to tell. |
| 11:42.93 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 11:55.87 | mikebledsoe | People to sign up for all sorts of jobs where you may lose your life or a limb or is incredibly demanding of your time and energy. And yeah, it's the more I've dug into this the more. Disgusting. It seems in some ways. Um, if it's being used intentionally now if it's if this is just like the unintentional use of language over time and so on and so Forth. Then you know there's you know there's there's intentional use of it. |
| 12:15.73 | Max Shank | It is. |
| 12:24.80 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 12:32.90 | mikebledsoe | Which would be considered Evil There's the the ignorance. Maybe they're just being ignorant is ignorant use of it. Which means that you know ignorance and laziness go hand in hand because Ignorance is ah the activity of ignoring. So The the. Information is present but you choose to ignore it because it's uncomfortable and lazy people tend to avoid discomfort and then and then you yeah I mean well well, there's. |
| 12:52.93 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 13:03.87 | Max Shank | Doesn't everybody devoid Avoid discomfort though I mean I don't want people to have a complex if they feel lazy Lazy is the natural state lazy and ignorant are the instinctual states which I think we can talk about more later. |
| 13:10.96 | mikebledsoe | Well, there's well, there's well, there's I agree. Totally totally totally. So then you have so you have intentional. You have ignorant and then and then you have just nation. |
| 13:20.95 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 13:28.65 | mikebledsoe | Which means that you just have not been exposed to the information at all and so I like that create distinctions between nations and or nasance and and ignorance because ignorance is you've been presented with the information and you've ignored it. So. |
| 13:31.73 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 13:44.37 | Max Shank | Um, that's so interesting I bet a lot of people think of ignorant as they don't know which is different than ignore and like you're ignoring as an active choice I I think that's ah, really interesting. You bring that up. |
| 13:46.62 | mikebledsoe | Of. Yeah, yeah, or it. Yeah. Exactly. |
| 14:04.37 | Max Shank | I bet because I used to use ignorant that way too like oh I was ignorant like I didn't know but it's more that I knew and ignored it that is a huge shift in that word. Huge. |
| 14:08.77 | mikebledsoe | Well here's the other thing is ah huge huge difference and a lot of people are ignoring things that they'll claim their nation to like oh I just didn't know it's like no that that was sitting there. You know there was. |
| 14:21.25 | Max Shank | Got it I didn't know. Yeah. |
| 14:28.20 | mikebledsoe | So like it's like walking into a room and there's ah, there's an elephant in the corner and you're for some reason you just don't notice it. It's like no it. It's been sitting there. Yeah talking about the elephant in the room right? that some people are surprised. Yeah, people are surprised by it. |
| 14:37.37 | Max Shank | Right? And how do you choose? What information is significant because you have to yeah so you might be ignorant with the best of intentions right? thinking? Oh that's not important right? that's. |
| 14:48.50 | mikebledsoe | For instance, the last the last two years with the best of intentions. |
| 14:56.37 | Max Shank | Where you and I ah like we come across that word evil and so my guess is there are lots of people in the world. Ah, who are real busybodies and they think that if they can just kill 1000000000 they'll save the other 6000000000 or some some kind of fraction. |
| 14:59.19 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 15:15.12 | Max Shank | Like that I don't know look that seems and here's the thing here's that no, we'll just kill. Ah, one of them like an unceremonious random one because if you truly believe if you have the power and you truly believe. |
| 15:15.48 | mikebledsoe | Will we'll kill the 6 bad ones or the one bat about 1000000000 bad people. |
| 15:34.82 | Max Shank | That the world is totally fucked unless you do something you're going to feel a lot of pain all day every day until you resolve that problem and if you have in your mind only a couple choices you'll say do I Let all. |
| 15:52.67 | mikebledsoe | And I got I got multiple phone I got multiple phone calls. Let me let me pause this I got a potential emergency. |
| 15:53.29 | Max Shank | The whole planet die or do I kill 1000000000 people |
| 16:00.50 | Max Shank | Okay, all right? So basically we have this kind of a situation. We have people who are thinking that they must save the world because they really believe the world or all of humanity itself will be destroyed. They have the power to enact the changes that they think will make that difference and they are faced with a choice of let's say kill 1000000000 to save the other six I can understand why they would a do it and b. Not think themselves. Evil. |
| 16:39.82 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, this ah have you ever watched cloud atlas with Tom Hanks oh man 1 of my favorite movies of all time. Yeah, it's a long one. It's like three and half hours it it didn't get a lot of attention when it came out because. |
| 16:45.75 | Max Shank | No oh really, that's cool. Ah. |
| 16:59.90 | mikebledsoe | It's deeply philosophical and you have to pay attention to what's going on for a long period of time so you have to have an attention span which means that you know almost nobody saw it and ah yeah. Yeah there's just a part in the movie where it's it's all about like people controlling other groups of people and oppressing other people and it was highlighting and it's and it's many different timelines. It's like something that was happening five hundred years ago and something else that was happening. |
| 17:24.78 | Max Shank | That's human culture in a nutshell. |
| 17:33.65 | Max Shank | The. |
| 17:36.50 | mikebledsoe | You know something was happening in the 70 s something was happening currently. There's some and then it's the it's 300 years in the future and there's these different timelines that are all over like the the energy and the patterns were overlapping and basically there was a ah. |
| 17:41.55 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 17:55.28 | mikebledsoe | Period of time where they were looking at when there were slaves there was you know white people were enslaving black people and all that and you know there's a a part in the movie where you know it's like hey we should probably stop this and then but leading up to that The guys that believed him is like oh it's our it's our divine purpose. You know. |
| 18:13.30 | Max Shank | Oh yeah. |
| 18:14.81 | mikebledsoe | God has told us to go and conquer these people and the same thing happened when you know people come to America and you know it's like we're gonna take this land. It's like yeah, there's there's some brown people here. But you know we we could probably just take this land. You know there's they're paid for the greater. Good. |
| 18:21.57 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 18:30.10 | Max Shank | For the greater good by the grace of God for the greater good by the grace of God here we are give us your stuff God God Thanks you for your donation. It's like would you pit. |
| 18:34.57 | mikebledsoe | For the greater. Good. Yeah yeah, now now it's the greater good by the grace of science. You know it's the same thing. Yeah, yeah, and so. |
| 18:49.73 | Max Shank | Ah, Mercenaries against Missionaries That's the one I think of the the missionaries will be biting the heads off biting the faces off of the mercenaries to sacrifice to the blood god. |
| 18:53.91 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 19:04.83 | Max Shank | All the mercenaries are high-tailing it out of there because the pay is just not good enough. |
| 19:10.47 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, so you you're talking about. Yeah these people are bought in and I think that a lot of people like if you look at the media. For instance I Think most of these quote unquote journalists are are completely bought in that. |
| 19:11.52 | Max Shank | So you get these true believers. Any price. |
| 19:28.41 | mikebledsoe | What they're doing is for the greater good I saw a clip was I saw a clip of ah you know everyone's art pissed off about not everyone just just people on the left are pissed off about Elon Musk offering to buy Twitter did you hear about this. Are you following it all. |
| 19:28.74 | Max Shank | Absolutely. |
| 19:37.50 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 19:43.67 | Max Shank | Um, I'm actually still really upset about the George Floyd thing I haven't moved on since that 1 news point I haven't really made up my mind about it yet. So I can't move on to the any new any news points. |
| 19:54.13 | mikebledsoe | Oh you're stuck here have you watched any Tv since then. Okay, so so Elon Musk ah he purchases 9% of Twitter you know it's a public. |
| 20:00.62 | Max Shank | No no I'm just still trying to work out this mystery. |
| 20:09.15 | Max Shank | I did hear about it by the way I was just making a joke then he offers to buy the whole thing. |
| 20:12.93 | mikebledsoe | Okay, well fill people in he he purchases 9% of Twitter and well then and then ah you know if he owns 15 % 15% he can you know actually make some demands like he his voice must be hurt. So they offer him a board position like oh why don't you join the board and if you're on the board you can make suggestions but you can't make demands and but you can't own more than fifteen fourteen point nine five of the stocks and you go and he goes. |
| 20:44.13 | Max Shank | Right? As a board member. |
| 20:49.13 | mikebledsoe | I don't want to be a board member then and then he turns around offers $43000000000 for the entire company which is more than the value of the company that no one else is gonna purchase it for that amount and. |
| 20:52.74 | Max Shank | Incredible. |
| 20:58.77 | Max Shank | It it. It has to be Ah, it's really interesting situation because he um rightly understands that that is the the lead horse. On the winner take all of small instant public messages. |
| 21:15.62 | mikebledsoe | Yes, yeah, it's it's the it's you know I on I'm on. Yeah um. |
| 21:20.42 | Max Shank | They banned the president they they took they took free speech away from the president. That's supposed to be everybody gets free speech but because they became the platform. A new platform above the old platform of pen and paper and people talking to each other. They put a blanket of this new platform over everything and they're like this is where we talk now this is where the point gets across really quickly. Ah, it's not that different than. |
| 21:47.13 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 21:55.80 | Max Shank | These guys trying to buy newspapers. It's just a similar play to control the flow of information. It's basic. It's basic war out there and that's nature. Yeah conflict baby. |
| 22:03.91 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, oh it's definitely war. Yeah so ah, people a lot of people I was reading something this morning. It's pretty interesting is like it's like you know, yeah, a lot of people. There's primarily the left for. The political left people were saying they were they were defending Twitter as a private privately owned company that can do whatever it wants so censorship is okay, Elon Musk wants to buy it then they start freaking out that he's going to let everyone say whatever they want and. |
| 22:29.73 | Max Shank | Big. |
| 22:39.41 | mikebledsoe | That something that the government needs to step in and do something about Elon Musk buying Twitter it's like they want their cake and eat it too. They can't there's there's ah there's a foundational lack of fund of of a principle because it's it's whatever, whatever serves their. |
| 22:41.18 | Max Shank | The. |
| 22:52.21 | Max Shank | Um, it's pure Lizard man. Yeah. |
| 22:59.28 | mikebledsoe | Whatever they want in the moment they'll leverage. Whatever it takes to get there. The means justify the ends and. |
| 23:03.21 | Max Shank | Their identity is the tribe So whatever helps the tribe justifies the means basically it doesn't matter what it is as long as it's for the good of our tribe and we're good and those other guys way over there. They're bad. So if you censor the bad guys. |
| 23:09.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 23:22.48 | Max Shank | It's good. But if you censor nobody. It's bad by that very twisted logic. |
| 23:24.17 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, because yeah, very interesting. Yeah, so for the greater good. Um, you know I I do find it interesting that ah people really I mean I believe in Elon must having. Good intentions over somebody in government because he is actually contributing to society by his his behavior instead of just trying to take and redistribute. Um, so yeah, same. |
| 23:44.10 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 23:53.00 | Max Shank | On principle I like pie Makers more than pie slicers. Yeah, what do you? What do you bring into the table I think it's ah the difference between offers and orders. That's where the line is. |
| 24:01.52 | mikebledsoe | So How how did I. A a. |
| 24:11.13 | Max Shank | Line between an offer and an order where an order means do this or you are going to be punished with the stick or a fine or whatever and an offer is do this come on. You know you want to do this, do it. It'll be really good for you and. |
| 24:25.53 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 24:28.80 | Max Shank | You can get as persuasive as you want to get but there's no, there's no threat of direct violence or attack on your person with an offer. That's why I like that. |
| 24:38.31 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I saw this mean this morning I reposted on my Instagram it's got ah it's got 4 different things and it says what makes sex not rape consent choice consent. |
| 24:49.12 | Max Shank | Choice. Yeah yeah. |
| 24:55.77 | mikebledsoe | What makes a job not slavery consent. What makes a transaction not robbery consent. What makes taxation not theft magical fairy dust. |
| 24:58.57 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 25:04.20 | Max Shank | Um, yep. |
| 25:11.94 | Max Shank | Ah, and I knew we were going there. |
| 25:15.31 | mikebledsoe | Well today's tax day. So ah I always kept I have to post so taxing every every what's the eighteenth. But ah, ah, they made today the tax day since Friday was the fifteenth. |
| 25:17.71 | Max Shank | Yeah, well people just think that they're so clever. |
| 25:28.57 | Max Shank | It takes a special kind of person to think that they know best not only for themselves. But for everybody else and it takes an even more special kind of person to be unwilling to try to sell people on the idea that they have and instead force it upon them violently. |
| 25:45.52 | mikebledsoe | For your own good. You're greater. Well I think I think it it's It's a slippery. It's slippery because people I think that's a much easier argument to make is if I say Max I Know what's good for you. |
| 25:46.50 | Max Shank | But it's like it's like you don't believe in the product man. |
| 26:04.55 | mikebledsoe | That's very arguable. It's like I don't know if you know my entire situation. You don't you know you don't know about this. |
| 26:07.40 | Max Shank | Yeah, there are definitely situations where you might know better for me than me, no question. It's just we won't know when that is we just won't know when that is. |
| 26:14.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, some situations? Yeah, but but then what's good for the greater good is an extrapolation of that that I know what's good for you and then it becomes homogenized too. It's like. I know it's good for most of the people. So we're gonna do this and it's like yeah, it's 1 per 1 person has you know people give 1 person that power and it's it's really insane. |
| 26:47.67 | Max Shank | It's exactly about that control because the whole purpose of groups in the first place is chaos reduction or at least reducing the negative impact of chaos on the collective. So whether it's ah, a group of ah chimps or a nation state of some kind the the concept or the idea of it in the first place is to reduce the chaos. So homogenization is the logical. Ah. Endpoint of that where everybody's exactly the same. Ah totally fungible, interchangeable. We have. We have one billion we have 1000000000 persons they do this and this and this and they do this at this time and this at this time and this at this time. |
| 27:32.36 | mikebledsoe | You're just a number folks. |
| 27:41.15 | Max Shank | And we always know where exactly everybody is just like ah a dairy farm with a bunch of chipped animals. So. |
| 27:45.10 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and I think up until this point the Homogenation um Homogenation homogenization. Thank you? Ah, it has been the most efficient way of creating order out of chaos or disorder. |
| 27:54.21 | Max Shank | Homogenization. |
| 28:01.56 | Max Shank | By definition. It is by definition. Yeah. |
| 28:04.78 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um, but then if if we look at the Homogen is it is a nation you have to tell me this work ah of chickens right? They've got ah I learned about this this past week and I was talking to some farmers and that's what I do. |
| 28:11.25 | Max Shank | Um, homogenization. Yeah. Course you are on ah on the weekend to just me and some farmers hanging out. |
| 28:21.89 | mikebledsoe | That's what I do at festivals I Hang out with farmers chicken out chicken it eating some of the meat Egg Grew Um, and you know they were talking about the the common chicken you find at the Gar Grot grocery store is the. |
| 28:35.23 | Max Shank | A. |
| 28:38.64 | mikebledsoe | The meat has gotten to the point where you're not actually digesting and getting the protein out of like a typical chicken breast and yeah, so there's they've they basically bread for this one particular chicken that can barely even walk right? because the chickens are bred for. |
| 28:44.00 | Max Shank | What. |
| 28:54.31 | Max Shank | But yeah, um. |
| 28:57.91 | mikebledsoe | Weight and I don't I'd learned this to they now are getting these chickens up to full weight for slaughter and 6 to eight weeks after they hatch so now. Basically these chickens you know. |
| 29:08.50 | Max Shank | Wow. |
| 29:14.99 | mikebledsoe | They stand up real well against feeding them soy and corn. They they get fat. Really they put on weight really fast but the meat is of really low quality and ah and. |
| 29:18.89 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 29:26.51 | Max Shank | Like the Amino acid profile or something you mean. |
| 29:30.76 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I know if it's they it was something about how the meat grows it almost turns into fiber versus protein like it should be protein but it's like a protein. |
| 29:37.30 | Max Shank | Okay, that's that's weird. They're changing protein to a carb somehow. |
| 29:42.48 | mikebledsoe | No, it's not a car but they're saying like it's it's it's not digestible. It's too fibrous like that. Yeah, the meat is too fibrous. So and the other thing is there are 2 I'm sure someone can let me know they they may know more details about this. |
| 29:49.28 | Max Shank | Indigestible protein weird. |
| 30:03.12 | mikebledsoe | They're down to like 2 types of chicken that are being grown so you get 1 type of aviary flu comes in and just wipes them all out now we're out of chicken. So like you know them being single pain of. |
| 30:15.78 | Max Shank | It goes back to the single point of failure thing we were talking about last week |
| 30:21.16 | mikebledsoe | So if you homogenize too much. It only takes one disaster and then and then you and then it's ultimate chaos which is you know devastation? Yeah that that could but unless I mean and. |
| 30:25.50 | Max Shank | Yeah, unless there's redundancy built into that central system right? but but it's like diversification right? The more you diversify the more um cushion you have. |
| 30:40.28 | mikebledsoe | But it's not good. |
| 30:44.77 | Max Shank | But the less of ah the less you diversify the further you can go in a single direction back to the comparative advantage example. |
| 30:48.71 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, absolutely yeah, so just it seems like to Mobgenize is is a good thing but there's also potential downfalls and so I mean we we already talked about decentralization versus centralization and and how things are moving and how. |
| 31:02.22 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 31:08.39 | mikebledsoe | Things in the future may not need to be so homogenized in order for to create order. We're talking about order and yeah through more complex technology I think I think we need less of that. |
| 31:22.90 | Max Shank | Well, when it comes to decision making having ah rules of the game is really important if you want to make a decision in a sport or a game of some kind the rules need to be consistent and they need to be understood by everybody. For the game to work So That's part of what makes conversation so challenging for people who have been raised any time in the current Era. There's a lot of contention and there's not a lot of collaboration. There's not a lot of ability to have an expansive and collaborative argument rather than a combative argument. You know you and I argue the validity of different points looking for a truth. Or a better representative of the truth rather than having a combative argument where I'm trying to prove that a is right? and you're trying to prove prove that B is right and we already talked about how people will go to any means necessary to support their point. Even wishing the censorship or possibly murder of other people if they don't believe the the truth the same truth that they believe so being able to have the rules of the game. The rules of discourse the rules of. The locale clear and simple enough to be understood and effectively used by all is a prerequisite for us to be able to play the game. Ah consistently and joyfully. |
| 33:06.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well I think there's there's 1 thing we agree on that allows for differing opinions to come in and we're able to work through it that is we we don't we're not confused about what's right? And what's wrong like we we have an agreement on that. |
| 33:22.90 | Max Shank | Well oh no I think they're I. |
| 33:26.35 | mikebledsoe | And so because you were saying your time Out. You know I think there's the right way to do or the wrong way. But I I think that we both agree that something that is right is something that doesn't impede on somebody else's life or Liberty and if any anything that isn't. Trampling on somebody else's ability to live their life and the way they wish is totally right? That's right and anything that is trampling on someone else's life and Liberty is wrong and so everything else? Well, That's that's trampling over someone's life and Liberty but that's wrong. |
| 33:49.25 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 33:54.89 | Max Shank | Um, unless they murder 10 people right? right? right. |
| 34:04.11 | mikebledsoe | So so I think that we you and I both have a pretty clear understanding about what is right and wrong and anything that's not wrong is right? and so the ah and not only is it right? but it is a right right? I Think that's where rights come from. |
| 34:19.86 | Max Shank | Right? right. |
| 34:23.85 | mikebledsoe | So if I'm not doing something wrong. That means I'm not stealing from you I'm not taking your property I'm not enslaving you and I'm not killing you then anything I do outside of that is a right and we both understand that that's where we have agreement and I think because of that. |
| 34:30.73 | Max Shank | Yeah. True. |
| 34:42.44 | mikebledsoe | We understand that everything outside of that is an opinion and I think a lot of people they confuse the morality of right and wrong with their opinions and I think you and I have both been able to be. |
| 34:53.48 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 35:00.66 | mikebledsoe | Clearly have that in our mind that yeah this is what I'm holding right now isn't about right and wrong. It's just about it's an opinion or if it is right or wrong then it's ah, there's a very solid foundation in which that conversation is existing on so it's very easy to work through. |
| 35:08.80 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 35:16.90 | Max Shank | The question is really do the ends justify the means is it is the juice worth the squeeze is the benefit greater than the cost and that's where it gets way harder to tell because you you could make a wrong choice. Ah, for yourself and not know that you're making it and I think that happens all the time so we need to find a way to harmonize the instinct and the intellect because I know I'd come back to this a lot. But. Usually when people are angry or sad or over emotional. It's It's some version of afraid and they're in that lizard Brain Mode. So they might react instinctively they might. Yell or fight or run or cry or something like that when they feel afraid but only because they're in Lizard Mode. So I think a lot of folks don't even give themselves a chance myself included at times in the past I I Remember. Aftermath of making choices that way but in the moment you're like somewhat unaware of the fact that you're making these choices that in normal Circumstances. You would intellectually know this is probably not going to give me a better result. |
| 36:48.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 36:51.10 | Max Shank | So finding a way to harmonize the intellect and the instinct and use the intellect to channel the instinctive drives rather than sporadic explosions of instinct. |
| 37:05.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the I like the idea of channeling instinct because that when I think about Instinct I Think about um Instinct is something that you can't actually put words to. Because it's It's something that wells up inside of your body. It's preverbal these are and we look at animals they're operating we say they're operating on Instinct because there is no language for you know and that's not necessarily always True. We can listen to these wells and dolphins and. |
| 37:25.60 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 37:39.50 | Max Shank | It's like programmed desire basically because Hunger is a form of desire sex is a form of desire safety is a form of desire. So there's you know pain is a synonym for all those things but there's a genetic pre-programmed in all of us. |
| 37:40.99 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 37:56.92 | Max Shank | Common ground where there's no question about the origin of these things This is something that is shared by pretty much all living creatures and so how do you take that Raw instinct and. |
| 38:05.70 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 38:14.65 | Max Shank | Channel it with greater precision into a place that you want being able to project further into the future can be really a frightening experience for people I think. |
| 38:24.88 | mikebledsoe | Well yeah, so so the instinct instinct coming from the body from you know the the brain stem essentially not coming from the prefrontal cortex where the intellectual mind lives and where language is formed. |
| 38:41.51 | Max Shank | My instinct is in my root Chakra Mine's way lower. |
| 38:43.19 | mikebledsoe | Is the moment. It's way lower. Yeah and we'll say from your your throat shock or down is it will is that instinct. Yeah yeah. |
| 38:54.24 | Max Shank | His instinct Huh That's a good way to put it. |
| 39:01.11 | mikebledsoe | Once you you get the intellect in your third eye. So that's that's that's actually I haven't used those words to describe it when I think about all the energy that exists below My third eye is there you if you try to put language to it. You're gonna fail. So the. |
| 39:01.92 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 39:20.55 | mikebledsoe | The the mind the intellect must translate the instinct. So the instinct is to do this or that but the mind is what tells the body that there is time there was a yesterday and there's a tomorrow. And there's a separation between Mike and max. It's the mind that yeah, it's the mind that creates this so now what you have the instinct is is so primal and without words you know we're just animals and so when we when these. |
| 39:39.92 | Max Shank | The scorekeeper. |
| 39:53.22 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 39:57.42 | mikebledsoe | Words come online and we have these incredibly strong instincts. This energy is flowing and if we don't know how to use our words if our if our vocabulary is limited. |
| 40:03.71 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 40:12.50 | mikebledsoe | If We have no practice in changing how we think by changing the language in which we think in and not mean English versus Spanish I'm saying using expanding the vocabulary using different words understanding. Actually what you're saying and do you understand. And all the words that you you use yourself most people I think are running around using words that they're confused about and because they're confused about it. They're confusing people around them. So There's a whole culture of people who don't really know what they're talking about. And I think that's the majority of Americans in the least. Um I Do it too. So. |
| 40:51.44 | Max Shank | I Do it all the time I would say unless I'm very specific and deliberate and I want to make a very distinct point I let the conversation flow. Normally and I use all kinds of words and metaphors where I don't have a crystal clear definition of what I'm saying like with the word ignorant I had never thought about ignorant as being an active ignore ignoring I always thought about it as just a ah passive not knowing. And that's monumentally different. |
| 41:31.74 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and the the take this further is the the mind is having to translate to the body to the to the instinct and even train the instinct to a bit because. The Instinct wants Instant gratification. It wants what it wants right now and the mind has to step in and go whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa If We get what we want right now we won't have We won't be able to have it tomorrow and we won't be able to have it. |
| 41:51.87 | Max Shank | Ah, right. |
| 42:05.84 | Max Shank | Right? So it's like putting a leash. It's like putting a leash on the instinct and the shorter and shorter the leash the less it's running wild but sometimes it can be pretty fun to let your instincts run wild. Especially if you can. |
| 42:10.44 | mikebledsoe | You got it? True Yeah, totally to. |
| 42:22.56 | Max Shank | Really turn it off because I think that is equal and opposite damaging to have your entire life tightly controlled by your intellect and you'll feel like the weight of the future is unrelenting. |
| 42:32.30 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely. |
| 42:39.50 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely yeah and I think there are ah really healthy ways of letting that Instinct run wild. There's you can create containers for that. Um I've had the experience of just going full animal. Ah. |
| 42:51.10 | Max Shank | O. |
| 42:58.17 | mikebledsoe | Down in Columbia on this really big piece of property where I drink a little bit of yaha which is this incredibly powerful Psychedelic medicine and then I basically stripped down Buckna and run around the Sat sun roaring in the and the jungle like that's about. But. |
| 43:15.88 | Max Shank | Everybody else got a clear picture of that I Sure do. |
| 43:16.61 | mikebledsoe | I Also know that I'm supposed to say yeah. |
| 43:21.59 | mikebledsoe | Um, so that so the ah so there was a clear boundary I knew that I was not supposed to leave the property but within that you know I was. |
| 43:34.28 | Max Shank | M. |
| 43:39.42 | mikebledsoe | Able to completely let loose and you know turn into a Jaguar and do all that shit. So ah I've had to that's like my peak instinct tapping into instinct experience that I've had and then reintegrating that's interesting. But it's the integration back into the mind and the mind now has to translate what the instinct is asking for into language which is an incredibly difficult task and so my opinion is. |
| 44:12.42 | Max Shank | M. |
| 44:15.90 | mikebledsoe | You would. You'll never be able to perfectly articulate to yourself or to somebody else the experience of Instinct and by yeah, but you can get more accurate over time. |
| 44:26.92 | Max Shank | It's like trying to walk a mile in someone else's shoes you you can't do it. |
| 44:34.45 | mikebledsoe | You can expand your vocabulary. You can have a longer conversation with someone you can get somebody closer to it and you can get yourself closer to it but to get to the absolute truth of what it is. It's not possible. But I think it's a worthy task to to do as good as as possible at doing that. And so because you're in my instincts are probably very much the same I mean instincts amongst species of animals are very Similar. We know that dogs do these dog things and it's out of Instinct Dear do these deer things out of Instinct fish so on and so forth. But what makes us different. I Think why why humans are live such diverse lifestyles and there's such diverse. Um expressions of the instinct is because it's each person is interpreting their instinct through this this mind and. The mind is you know trying to control the the instinct and direct it and all this stuff. Um, so. |
| 45:37.62 | Max Shank | The prediction protection machine comes in a lot of different ah models right? Still your parents teachers peers media culture. Whatever are like okay here's your intellectual filter and then you go from being this. |
| 45:42.38 | mikebledsoe | Exactly yeah. |
| 45:55.94 | Max Shank | Little creature that doesn't have any language at all that just grabs stuff and puts things in its mouth and you know rolls around and now suddenly you're talking and you're saying this is good and this is bad and so now your third eye is the scorekeeper and the rule maker. Based on whatever you've been taught. |
| 46:16.37 | mikebledsoe | yeah yeah yeah I don't know if that's a I know I said third eye don't know if it's the exact or your third eye is ah to me is is when all the energy comes into a single point and then you can direct you can direct your attention. So I don't see a third eye as a thinker. |
| 46:28.87 | Max Shank | Um, um, ah that's that's a little different. Ok so you're so your intellect your intellect then. |
| 46:36.32 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it's a little different. Yeah, but you got us around a shak room. So I was trying to make sense of it but I wanted to correct that for myself. Yeah, which is I think that's different so but I think that's that's 1 thing that that I think that separates. |
| 46:46.80 | Max Shank | Yeah, it's interesting to think about projection. |
| 46:54.91 | mikebledsoe | People from one another is. It's that intellectual mind because I can never explain you my experience then then I know that max will never understand me completely and I can tell you a story. |
| 46:58.30 | Max Shank | M. |
| 47:06.81 | Max Shank | Yeah, you can tell me a story though and the better the better you are at communicating that story and the better I am at clarifying. Ah my interpretation with questions. The. |
| 47:24.21 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 47:24.22 | Max Shank | Clearer The communication will be and it's the same thing for the stories that we tell ourselves not just other people right? Um, it's so easy to have different milestones. |
| 47:32.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 47:42.12 | Max Shank | In your story that are told in a way that makes you into a victor or a victim for example and I know it's not always binary. But I think everybody listening including you and I has. Recognized people who at every point in their life was a tragedy the way they retell the story at least and you've heard other people in life where everything was a victory. It was ah it was always coming up jackpot for this person and then you're with them and you're like this doesn't. |
| 48:06.39 | mikebledsoe | Hey. |
| 48:19.75 | Max Shank | Actually seem like the same story I was being told and so it's very interesting and I wonder how genetic predisposition is like that um like being gay is genetic right? no. |
| 48:21.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 48:37.95 | mikebledsoe | I I think it's I think genetic? What? ah. |
| 48:39.42 | Max Shank | Yeah, you oh god here we go Mike Mike Bled so thinks being gay as a choice send your hate mail to Mike Underscore Blesco Aty at Instagram. |
| 48:54.37 | mikebledsoe | Um, ah. |
| 48:55.71 | Max Shank | I Hope you're ready for your inbox to be destroyed you hateful Homophobic bastard. |
| 49:03.25 | mikebledsoe | Ah, oh man. |
| 49:05.53 | Max Shank | Ah, you are practically a nazi you're practically hitler I can't believe you said that I'm so sorry for Mike everybody ah dear god. |
| 49:18.93 | mikebledsoe | Oh man, you know I I don't know Well we talk about this before the show is like the semantics matter because because we've talked about this before the the. |
| 49:21.11 | Max Shank | Ah, so let's so. |
| 49:29.56 | Max Shank | Um, what is and what isn't what is and what isn't. |
| 49:37.58 | mikebledsoe | I was listening to a story from somebody the other day that said you know that our the Dna sequence of a human and the sea creature is more alike than you know a human in ah in a chimpanzee and that immediately clued me into everyone's mind went to like oh my god. We're more like sea creatures than we thought and my mind immediately goes to. We're studying the wrong shit like these scientists are they they've missed the boat on something because they're really focused on this Dna thing when obviously that's not what's causing the expression of of ah of our reality. |
| 50:14.65 | Max Shank | Like child soldier spelling Gee champion. Yeah. |
| 50:15.40 | mikebledsoe | And so you know that's why I pause with the genetics and there's there's way more variables contributing to how a person is being than genetics or training or you know the the nature versus nurture is like ah a very It's a very cool topic to. Talk about, but it's nature and nurture are the same thing and the end of the day. |
| 50:38.19 | Max Shank | Good God I've never heard anything so hateful before. |
| 50:49.28 | Max Shank | Um, it's interesting to think and let's just take because it's ah like gayness is a funny topic to me. Ah, and for the record. Ah most people I don't like. And whether they're gay or straight has nothing to do with it. But let's suppose that gayness has some element of genetics and some element of Nurture. So some nature and some nurture does that mean that there is a chance that like you and I were like. 3 uncomfortable locker room situations away from turning gay that's pretty interesting right? Or for the food thing like you have a predisposition to um, fearful mindset. |
| 51:30.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, I've um. |
| 51:44.98 | Max Shank | And you have a predisposition to rapid weight gain. But then you layer on some trauma on top of it and boom you have food is the medicine. |
| 51:52.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, um, yeah I'd be curious to see stats on you know, ah when it comes to homosexuality like people who identify really heavily based on sexual preference. I Think anyone who identifies heavily on sexual preference alone or identifies heavily based on a preference of any kind. Not even sexual is very.. It's a very dangerous place to put yourself because now you get into. |
| 52:12.99 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 52:18.27 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 52:27.59 | mikebledsoe | You become very easy to control through political means. So yeah. |
| 52:30.87 | Max Shank | It goes back to our talk about the tribe right? If it's for the greater good of the tribe we'll fuck over anybody. |
| 52:37.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so you end up with really? ah you know you end up, you know if if you if you identify as being a part of this group or as being this thing. Then you got to vote this Way. You got to behave this Way. You can't hang out with this people. You got to hate this person or that you have to hate this other group and so I get I think that just anything that that starts creating identity becomes very dangerous which people who do identify heavily with a group get very angry. |
| 53:07.97 | Max Shank | I got. |
| 53:14.60 | mikebledsoe | When I say these types of things I gotta watch myself but I know that I'm safe here on on the Monday morning show and probably not. Ah. |
| 53:20.20 | Max Shank | I Don't know after all that bigotry earlier I don't think there's a chance I got a little jingle to help us remember this um and a Noun is easily taken down but you cannot disturb a verb. |
| 53:27.80 | mikebledsoe | Okay. |
| 53:37.00 | mikebledsoe | Ah, ah. |
| 53:38.48 | Max Shank | So That's that's what I think about um, you know you become the task your your ego is irrelevant the whole the whole magic is in knowing that the here and now is all there is and when you're. Planning You got to think of that like a hunt where you're like really focusing your attention and you're you're actively doing something but you're not also consumed with some identity that is fraught with all kinds of. Inconsistencies and crying egos desire to be loved in a very specific Way. So It's much better to become the action and you'll be better off doing actions that make you feel in Tune or in Harmony with the Universe. Which is your perspective and relationship with your surroundings. Um then trying to be trying to like be happy like you're not going to get Happiness. You can be in a flow State. You can be in peace and presence in the present moment. But if you're. If you're stuck in Noun based identities rather than becoming the task and doing it's going to be really hard. |
| 54:59.97 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I like the Noun versus the verb conversation overall because if you think about I've had this conversation when I was working with and lifted which is you are a verb if you consider yourself to be a Noun then you're. A Noun is static. It doesn't Move. It's It's not very fluid. It just is and it makes it very hard to progress when you identify as a Noun, but if you if your identity is a verb then a verb is doing. It is Moving. It is progressing. There is. It's always changing which is way more in line with reality because the universe is moving in a very fluid nature. There's very few solid things and. |
| 55:45.46 | Max Shank | O. |
| 55:55.79 | mikebledsoe | There's some solid principles in which everything is is revolving around for sure but going back to the the gay conversation is in my life I've experienced sexually a very.. There's been times where I was very narrow in my preferences and there's been times where my my preferences expanded tremendously and then I've made adjustments now the band of my preferences is probably not as big as a lot of other people's um. And but I don't necessarily like I I found what I like and but I don't like and I don't necessarily think that that yeah had I identified as just a straight man 100% I'll never Touched another guy in any way I wouldn't have gotten to where I am now and which is very um, um, I'm much more happier and I know that I've experienced all these things and I know what I like and what I don't like and and that's okay, but I think most people. Even people who well maybe even especially people who identify as straight and they'll never try anything and they identify with that Noun you know they may be they may be missing out on some some interactions even with. Say you're a guy you may be missing out on some interactions with women in some interesting situations If you're terrified to see another man naked in a sexual environment. |
| 57:33.38 | Max Shank | Wow! So you're saying that gayness is a choice and you would not be the man you are today without doing some slightly gay things. |
| 57:42.46 | mikebledsoe | Um, Ah what I'm saying is ah I have I have watched my own mind change enough and without intention and with intention ah to to realize that. I I could tiptoe right into just about anything if I I public up. Um my mind to it. So Someone's intentional. So It's not intentional, but you know I think it's I think people just do whatever the fuck they want at the end of the day. Yeah. |
| 58:16.54 | Max Shank | That's great. So ah, that's really what it comes down to it comes down to consent I think the verb Noun thing is great way to ah clarify. |
| 58:19.57 | mikebledsoe | As long as you've got consent I don't give a fuck. |
| 58:34.49 | Max Shank | The the breaking the back of the ego that is required to make the best decisions possible and take the verb running or to run versus I'm a runner so I am running versus I am a runner. |
| 58:39.59 | mikebledsoe | And. |
| 58:50.96 | mikebledsoe | Here. |
| 58:53.67 | Max Shank | And granted, if you identify strongly with an activity. You will probably be better at it and if you strongly identify with that action and then that action goes Away. You will feel a great loss. Also. |
| 59:12.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, or if you're not the best at it. It may that that also creates a situation of comparative analysis. It's like oh I'm I'm a runner so is max. Oh he's better at it than me like he can run faster further. |
| 59:20.94 | Max Shank | Competitiveness Yeah, right, It's true faster further easier. It means you're worse means you're worse than me at at running. |
| 59:29.34 | mikebledsoe | You know what's that mean about me. Yeah, what's that mean about me I'm I'm not as I'm not ah I'm not worthy. Yeah, so the. |
| 59:37.89 | Max Shank | Ah, oh man sounds so sad. Even even joking about it. But that's the inner monologue that most of us have for such a variety of reasons. |
| 59:43.39 | mikebledsoe | Totally that does and this one I'm a big fan of this conversation because ah there are so many things people are dealing with say being unhealthily competitive. And they're just trying to be less competitive when when we could be looking at something that's a much deeper conversation which is are you are you stuck in a noun-based identity or are you or are you moving with a verb based identity and if your identity is more fluid because ah being. Ah, associating more with being a verb creates identity fluidity which is which is which means that I can show up the best version of myself in every situation. No matter what because I'm not not over identifying with any 1 thing. You know when I'm in my office and I'm talking to you I'm a podcaster or I'm podcasting but when I leave here and I go hang on my girlfriend. You know I'm ah a romantic partner and all these things I think that there was a period of time where I started saying. Oh I'm like these 20 different identities. All these things that I do make up who I am and then one day I go this is just ridiculous. Why don't I just be like like just be completely fluid with the identity and I'll do what's. |
| 01:01:02.73 | Max Shank | Then. |
| 01:01:15.31 | mikebledsoe | Necessary for me the way the situation is demanding and me thinking about what label I want to put on myself so that I can try to seek some type of external validation. So I can feel good enough. That's just ridiculous. |
| 01:01:27.46 | Max Shank | And yet and yet that's what we mostly do I think entrepreneur is a very fluid identity in general because people are by definition willing to try a lot of different pursuits so you will attract that sort of personality. |
| 01:01:39.25 | mikebledsoe | It's broad. |
| 01:01:46.27 | Max Shank | Into entrepreneurship that is much more fluid. |
| 01:01:48.21 | mikebledsoe | No yeah, yeah, being on being an entrepreneur means so many things and such a broad term and I do I do like that when it it makes it easy to explain what I do I Tell you you know like I'm an entrepreneur a podcast coach. Whatever That's just me. |
| 01:01:55.84 | Max Shank | Yeah. Right? But then but then nobody knows if you're good right away? Yeah, right. |
| 01:02:08.20 | mikebledsoe | Just me relaying you know to other people so they they know how to talk to me. That's the other thing is I tell people when they ask me what I do or who I am I Um I don't tell the same and I don't tell different people the same thing if um, if I'm hanging out with a bunch of coaches I tell them you know I'm a coach. |
| 01:02:16.94 | Max Shank | Yeah. Ah. |
| 01:02:27.35 | mikebledsoe | Coming out somewhere most of the time I pull out the more recently and I've decided to start pulling out the podcaster card more because no matter who they are. They may want to come listen if I tell them that I coach coaches if they're not a coach. They don't give a fuck. |
| 01:02:35.32 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:02:43.36 | Max Shank | Um, maybe I'll start doing that I mean I don't know if that's I guess technically true I've done enough to be considered a podcaster. But if you're. |
| 01:02:46.92 | mikebledsoe | So yeah. |
| 01:02:52.38 | mikebledsoe | Well also if you tell people you're a coach then they start bringing their problems to you and the same thing happens with Ashley he's like oh you're a therapist you know I've been I've been dealing. It's like I get the fuck away from me. Ah. |
| 01:03:02.37 | Max Shank | Right? Very compassionate of you. Ah, no totally. It's about setting those boundaries but I think what's cool about saying I'm a podcaster is you are in a very subtle way saying my words are important my words are. |
| 01:03:17.96 | mikebledsoe | Oh really? Ah yeah, but anyone's got a podcast these days I feel to me being a podcaster's not a big deal deal at all because there's it's almost no barrier to entry. |
| 01:03:21.37 | Max Shank | My words are important. Yeah, of course it says that yeah I have a I have a radio show My my words are important. It's It's really interesting. It's not. It's not cool. No. |
| 01:03:37.26 | mikebledsoe | All you need is a phone and and a 10 Joe Regan yeah yeah well of course. Well it's there's going back to podcasting is decentralized media. You know. |
| 01:03:40.32 | Max Shank | But who has the biggest audience in the world people listening to podcaster. Yeah, that's wild. |
| 01:03:54.81 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:03:55.91 | mikebledsoe | He's got the biggest audience in the world for sure. But then there's 4000000 shows that are you know, almost no one listens to to those but but you can do it and anyone can do it in the period entry is super low. |
| 01:04:02.66 | Max Shank | Nobody listens to yeah yeah. Which is pretty cool. |
| 01:04:14.40 | mikebledsoe | And that's going to keep happening in every industry every industry that the barrier to entry is going to just keep getting lower and lower and lower unless the government layers on regulation then the barrier to entry gets high which is what they're trying. That's why Facebook and Twitter ah tried to. They've been very. |
| 01:04:24.70 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 01:04:33.50 | mikebledsoe | Um, encouraging of government regulations and people go oh there like it's a noble thing that Facebook wants there to be regulation where they're the only motherfuckers that can afford the lawyers to wait through the bureaucracy they're there. They're squeezing out their competition every time there's a new regulation like Facebook wants it. |
| 01:04:49.19 | Max Shank | Well, that's how lobbying works. Yeah paide. No it shows it shows the power of communication though I mean. |
| 01:04:52.74 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah I don't think we actually got to what we were originally talking to. But I think it's okay I'm I'm enjoying the content. |
| 01:05:06.46 | Max Shank | Refer to lawyers as word Warriors and they can they can manipulate they can manipulate look if you're a good lawyer. You can manipulate almost any situation to sound totally different than what physically happened. |
| 01:05:07.86 | mikebledsoe | I Love it. It's true. |
| 01:05:22.63 | mikebledsoe | Totally. |
| 01:05:25.26 | Max Shank | And it's storytelling. It comes it all comes full circle in the beginning. There was the word and whatever I say that's what's true and the more confident you are about that like what I say is good and what they say is bad. A lot of people just are wanting to believe that because also there are going to be more people who want to follow than people who want to lead So you're going to naturally have these groups right? It's like ah. Some people want to be whipped and some people want to do the whipping and I don't know what the percentage is on that and my guess that it varies significantly by Gender. Ah so it's very I Just mean in general. |
| 01:06:03.84 | mikebledsoe | And. |
| 01:06:15.37 | mikebledsoe | To I like bdsm situations. |
| 01:06:21.73 | Max Shank | Like yes also in that sort of a situation. Oh I was going to say ladies but are you going to have a different answer. They're more receiving and attractive. |
| 01:06:22.75 | mikebledsoe | Which gender. Do you think likes be whipmore. |
| 01:06:31.89 | mikebledsoe | I Find that the more dominant and day to day day to day. |
| 01:06:40.68 | Max Shank | That's what I mean so you oh I see what you're saying so they're ah they want to assume a different role to decompress from being an a tractor of force rather than a transmitter of force. |
| 01:06:49.84 | mikebledsoe | Yes, yeah, it can feel very powerful in a different way. So like a lot of times you create a container where there's ah where you can play a new role and. |
| 01:06:57.64 | Max Shank | Interesting. |
| 01:07:05.30 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:07:07.75 | mikebledsoe | And maybe someone who's normally on the more of a receiver gets to be someone who's delivering and it's ah it's a really fun experience and the same with Richard Branson is one of these. He's got a couple dominrix with them most of the time. |
| 01:07:12.98 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:07:22.66 | Max Shank | Loves to get whipped. Seriously, he's got a few dominatrixes with him all the time you heard it here first. |
| 01:07:24.56 | mikebledsoe | And he's a very powerful guy. He's the one giving orders all day. Yeah, still about all the time that that that's ah, maybe an over generalization. But ah my my my friends who have spent time with him have said that they're present. Um, so. |
| 01:07:39.70 | Max Shank | Wow. |
| 01:07:44.11 | mikebledsoe | The and I don't know if that's public information but I'll give a fuck because Richard Richard Branson is you know he's old. So. |
| 01:07:46.68 | Max Shank | It is now. A Monday morning original you heard it here for breaking news folks. |
| 01:07:57.51 | mikebledsoe | I think I think the guy's really great in some respects but anyone who came out and wanted mandates or pushing are the people to get vaccinated Richard Branson comes out and gives me some fucking medical advice. He can shove up his ass. So totally. |
| 01:08:11.38 | Max Shank | He thought he was doing the right thing Mike he was doing it for your own good. He thought he was doing good and yeah, yeah. |
| 01:08:17.13 | mikebledsoe | totally totally there there's a handful of people I looked up to before this whole debacle Schwarzenegger is another one you ever hear that screw your freedom clip. Yeah, the guy that came here from Austria and became. |
| 01:08:30.24 | Max Shank | Yeah I get I get sent ah a few things like that. Yeah, it's it. Well, it's like ah don't don't worship false idols you know or or that phrase never meet your heroes because then they'll just disappoint The fuck out of you. |
| 01:08:35.20 | mikebledsoe | And experience wilder success. |
| 01:08:40.51 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:08:49.67 | Max Shank | I think ah Richard Branson is actually the perfect ah way to bring this back full circle because reading that guy's book ah almost gave me stomach ulcers. |
| 01:08:56.77 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 01:09:05.31 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 01:09:07.89 | Max Shank | In terms of the way that he makes decisions because every chapter was a different variation of and then I bet it all on black and then I mortgaged the house and I bet it all on red and then I sold my music company to buy. |
| 01:09:19.52 | mikebledsoe | Right? right. |
| 01:09:27.18 | Max Shank | Ah, fucking jet engine and then I rolled the dice I mean this guy was just a fucking lucky animal just a lucky animal and all of the steps of the story were like. Bankrupt not bankrupt but up and down all around and look what is the result now. He's exactly where he is which some people would say is really good. We have no idea what that guy's life is like except for your hot tip on the. Ah, live in dominatrixes but that can work that that that could work that could work right? his his way of just being ah a bowl in a China Shop it seemed like. |
| 01:10:03.12 | mikebledsoe | I live in. Anyways, they're they're present. But yeah. |
| 01:10:15.77 | mikebledsoe | Why you know you only got to hit once or twice you only got it investing is not gambling because in gambling you're gonna you're gonna come in and start over the next day and investing. |
| 01:10:16.45 | Max Shank | On to the next thing on to the next thing onto the next thing on to the next thing It's true. |
| 01:10:26.78 | Max Shank | Um, kind of is m. |
| 01:10:35.43 | mikebledsoe | You hit once and you never have to work again. You may may win big at the casino. But you're you're gonna be back in the casino. |
| 01:10:41.48 | Max Shank | Um, interesting. Yeah I almost think of them as ah, just 2 versions of a similar thing because once you hit a jackpot on one business you're going to feel the itch to do another one probably. |
| 01:10:49.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:10:55.37 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, but you can if you're smart about it. You'll take a portion of it and diversify and things that are more stable. Yeah. |
| 01:11:06.42 | Max Shank | That's not the Branson way. That's what I like to do I like to take some of my money off the table because you know I don't want to give all the money back that I won I want to take some off. He just let it ride the whole time. How much money do I have. |
| 01:11:14.27 | mikebledsoe | Now now now. Are are how how would how would you like to wrap up this show. What's the how I don't know I just hear comment thread. |
| 01:11:23.80 | Max Shank | Bet it all bet it. It is impossible to wrap up this show I'm still thinking about all of the people who are going to send you angry messages that you said being gay. Is a choice that's incredible. Can we make that the title of the show being gay as a choice by Mike Blitz how um |
| 01:11:42.89 | mikebledsoe | Ah, you know what? I know how I I I Know how people's minds were go but I never said that go back and listen to the actual conversation. Ah, Max knows if he says it enough people will believe it repetition. Yeah, absolutely. |
| 01:12:05.37 | Max Shank | It's that's true with almost everything right now is it also true that you think it can be cured. |
| 01:12:15.39 | Max Shank | I Don't know if you provide a service or anything like that. Ah. |
| 01:12:16.63 | mikebledsoe | Ah, oh man I've ah I'm aware of some services like that I think it's a very interesting thing that exists in the world. So that's all of another show. |
| 01:12:35.42 | Max Shank | So how do we make good decisions Mike Vision values no that was how you start that was the very first sentence you said in the that was it the first sentence you said then. |
| 01:12:35.49 | mikebledsoe | That's all another show. |
| 01:12:42.30 | mikebledsoe | We we talk about vision values boundaries. That's how we started. Um, that's where I thought that's where I wanted to take it and then we got into a flow. |
| 01:12:55.23 | Max Shank | There was a little. There's a little sign marker at the very beginning sentence one and then we just took a hard u-turn in a completely different direction. We didn't I don't even remember what the third thing is now I knew was vision values in something else. Boundaries there you go maybe we'll do that next week. |
| 01:13:08.61 | mikebledsoe | Boundaries. Yeah, maybe next week we'll see we have to name the show though. So we have to come up with what the hell we talked about. Ah yeah, any any summaries since. I remember what we said. |
| 01:13:22.35 | Max Shank | I Think the concept of not getting hyper attached to an identity and a Noun ah like a fixed state versus a dynamic action and being a verb instead just trying to become the task. Really Good. We talked a little bit about communication I think that myself included we all talk too damn much and if you focus on doing things that are intrinsically enjoyable that you want to do just for the sake of doing. Then you are in the present moment and the ego is irrelevant. There. So then you aren't going to worry so much about you know how all these other ah stimuli affect you all these news stories and all this fear mongering because I think it's good to Remember. It's basically always been. Like this where a small group are trying to completely terrify a big group into falling in line. |
| 01:14:29.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, pretty much very accurate I like what you said I'm not going to I'm not going to add anything I think we had a good conversation. Ah, you can follow me on Instagram at Mike Underscore bloodso and keep paying attention to this channel I've got a lot more. Episodes posting of interviews that I am doing some other folks and max and I are going to continue to put Monday morning up every monday. |
| 01:14:57.98 | Max Shank | Sweet. You can find me at http://mashank.com or at mashank and I think there are a few spots available for the partner agility and strength system certification I believe that is June eleventh and there's a big discount if you sign up before the end of April so ah, that's it. Thanks Mike Love you man. |
| 01:15:26.23 | mikebledsoe | Excellent! Thanks Max! Love you. |
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| 00:00.00 | mikebledsoe | Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're going to be talking about decentralization now this is a word that's being thrown around quite a bit I don't think that people necessarily know what it means and when it's used. It's normally used specifically for. Currencies they're talking about decentralized currencies alternative currencies like bitcoin ethereum and a bunch of other shitcoins that are out there but the idea of decentralization is much bigger than that and when we look at technologies that allow us to decentralize. We can see how it disrupts. |
| 00:37.94 | mikebledsoe | Economics It Disrupts social constructs and it yeah entire societies. So we're gonna talk about as decentralization occurs what you can do to position yourself to be in the best place possible. Um, and not get completely screwed over like some people are gonna experience. |
| 00:58.54 | Max Shank | Well I think this is gonna be perfect for us to talk about because you and I have really different perspectives on this I'm not very schooled in cryptocurrency because I don't quite understand the stability of it. Um. But I am deeply interested in increasing the amount of freedom I have in my life as well as that of our listeners. So I'm excited to discuss it with you today. |
| 01:27.44 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, so let's start here the the decentralization um as a concept is that there's a smaller group of people that have absolute control over what's going on in their world. |
| 01:46.14 | Max Shank | Um, that's centralization. You mean. |
| 01:46.84 | mikebledsoe | So right now decentralization. Well there's ah what I mean is like you're grouped into a smaller group So there's greater responsibility for the individual in a decentralized society. |
| 01:58.88 | Max Shank | So the individual has more agency over their money their time their food that sort of thing. Okay, yeah, that makes sense. |
| 02:03.31 | mikebledsoe | Yes, yeah, yeah, more agency more autonomy more choice. Um in some cases so in ah and a centralized setup. |
| 02:15.43 | Max Shank | A. |
| 02:21.72 | mikebledsoe | Which is primarily what we're existing in right now if we have we have centralized money we have centralized food supplies. We have centralized energy systems. So when I talk about decentralization or centralization. This is a global conversation. Not necessarily. Talking only about cryptocurrencies or only about farming so with that being said is if you're we are being driven into a decentralized society because of ah you know this twofold one is people desire. It. Enough people desire it and that desire has helped people to generate technology which makes it possible and due to a lot of centralized power and a lot of money coming into a very small group people a lot of technology has been advanced. That used to only be available to a few that's now available to many an example of this is I remember when and you've probably noticed this max is Amazon um, and this is just a function of capitalism Amazon has. Always has better technology than the average ecommerce store. They have better tracking. They've got more data on their users. They've got ah their ability to sell at scale is just incredible and there's so many pieces of technology that. Only existed for http://amazon.com five years ago and now you and I have access to Facebook ads that targeting targeted ads that most people don't know much about ah because of Facebook and ah. A lot of this stuff that only really advanced marketers with a lot of money had access to special software. That's now been made available to all of us. So um I mention that because because of the way that things have been built up at this point is what actually creates the opportunity for a. Decentralized technology do exist now. So one's not better than another one just gives birth to another and the technology that's available will basically demand that you things be more decentralized and that each person takes more personal responsibility. And for those who don't take personal responsibility. It's gonna be a hard transition. |
| 04:56.23 | Max Shank | I think you brought up 1 of the big advantages of centralization which is called economies of scale. So one of the reasons that people we can feed more people and one of the reasons that we can get more people a cell phone. |
| 05:05.25 | mikebledsoe | Go. |
| 05:15.98 | Max Shank | Is because these companies are able to do it at a much lower cost because as the number of units goes up the cost per unit thanks to efficiency goes down so not just. Thinking centralization bad decentralization good is important and I would also agree that as long as the consumers are free to choose their product then that will yield the. Best efficiency as long as you can choose whether you want to go to Walmart or the farmer's market or something like that I think that's kind of inherently good and the more we are allowed to choose the better. The outcome is and the more people are forced to obey. the the worse the outcome is historically and presently. |
| 06:15.79 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, this conversation makes me think about Atlas shrugged. You've read the book. Yeah, okay, ah so in out. |
| 06:23.99 | Max Shank | People either really like that book or they really hate that book's guts don't they no no, one's like it's all right I guess. |
| 06:32.38 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well you know anytime I run it when I run into people that hate it it I've learned to to focus in on 1 thing in the conversation that will totally break them and that is did you finish it. |
| 06:50.33 | Max Shank | First. |
| 06:51.91 | mikebledsoe | Did you read the whole thing because I've yet to meet somebody who's actually read the whole thing that still hates it so you know usually people hate it because they read something that someone else wrote about it or they're part of a ah social group that. Thinks that ein Rand is the Devil. So ah, it makes me think about that because you know you're saying choice. But right now they're essential like so let's just forget forget that but the where things are going when decentralized decentralization becomes possible technologically possible I think is what's going to happen is what happened in atlas shrug which is the most productive people in society are going to choose decentralization now. Decentralization wasn't. Necessarily a concept in that book. But the concept in the book was that the people who were the most productive and the people who took the most responsibility for themselves and their companies and things like that once that once they were being taxed. And the government was demanding and and social groups were demanding that they be more like slaves than independent and people they basically burned down their factories and walked away from their jobs and shut down the railroads and all went hiding in a valley in Colorado. And a lot of and then people in society are going. You can't do that and goes I can do whatever I want I'm not a slave and so I think what's gonna happen is the the atlas shrug is happening but we're not gonna have to go hide in a valley in Colorado. And where we're we were you know able to hide from planes and radar and shit what's going to happen is we're me able to hide technologically or we're going to be able to opt out of the current system. Ah and technologically and then everyone who's productive goes there and the people who are mediocre at. Best will still subscribe to the to the centralized model and so when we start talking about choice. It's like yeah you do have a choice but the being a part of a centralized model in 2020 or 2019 or whatever was. Really probably the most convenient choice. It was you you ended up having a lot of luxury a lot of really cool things were available to you. But as time goes on if the best producers on the planet decentralize. They've now removed themselves from your economy. So you're not getting the best anymore. |
| 09:43.84 | mikebledsoe | And the the beauty of a centralized economy and a centralized society is you don't have to think so much because people can become much more specialized and they don't have to consider. You know where does my food come from. You know what's really going on with the currency people right now. For instance, you could take a computer programmer and they've gotten really good at computer programming. They don't know Jack shit about anything but computer programming and so that's because. They can pick up their phone and have their groceries delivered to their house. They can just automatically have their money. Ah go into an Ira that you know someone from their job told them it was a good idea and that could they're they're outsourcing their wealth. Their health. Just outsource all these things something goes wrong physically, they don't have to be aware of it. They just go to the doctor and they write him a prescription a pill to fix it and so. |
| 10:42.41 | Max Shank | Well, that's comparative advantage. You hunt the food I'll cook the food and this guy here will protect us in the night and this lady over here will take care of all the children. |
| 10:51.76 | mikebledsoe | Totally but in a world of centralization where we're dealing with hundreds of millions of people. We'll we'll talk about the United States specifically it's become. It's we've gone past the point of diminishing returns. There is a massive benefit to it. But now we're seeing the repercussions of it for instance, the average person unless you're a health expert your health is really poor. |
| 11:19.31 | Max Shank | That's true and we could think about the causality of that and to piggyback on this centralization theme I think it's really important to differentiate between which sectors. Of Centralization. We're talking about So I like to simply think of it as you have no choice of where to go you have to come to us basically right? and so there's education which I'm no fan of I think it's child abuse. |
| 11:42.50 | mikebledsoe | In a centralized model. |
| 11:54.28 | Max Shank | I Think it's a really bad investment I think it's yeah public school I think it's one of the worst things you could do to a child. It's a horrible investment I could it's obedience school. Let's keep a simple language obedience school listen to this guy at the front. |
| 11:54.41 | mikebledsoe | Government education. |
| 12:01.14 | mikebledsoe | We should just call them indoctrination system governmental indoctrination systems or something. |
| 12:13.23 | mikebledsoe | Did you you send your kid their obedience school today. He's been acting up. |
| 12:13.56 | Max Shank | Sit down shut up, ask permission to go to the bathroom god forbid it I ever have a kid I would never send it to school not in 1000000 years um under no circumstance. Yeah well, it's ah you know I don't want to assume it's gender. |
| 12:22.85 | mikebledsoe | If I won't have a kid as long as you start referring to as long as you refer to it as it. Um, you might get yourself in hot water there in California. |
| 12:33.55 | Max Shank | Ah, so I don't want to be 1 of those hateful people who used to think that genitals identified your gender. Ah I'm woke now. Ah so anyway, so. |
| 12:49.23 | mikebledsoe | Congratulations max. |
| 12:50.61 | Max Shank | Centralized education gets away worse result. Ah the bigger. The centralized government is the worse. The result is because it's the difference between the pie makers and the pie slicers and you have to Zoom way out and. And way in to really understand what's happening so zooming way out to what it's like to be a creature who's capable of doing things and surviving in the world is really difficult on your own. In fact, it's impossible on your own. So the whole purpose of our culture. Is to reduce chaos and that's why actually why games and play are so critical for building relationships and also building skills because if you have the chaos reduced through culture but you don't have any dosage of that excitement or chaos. You're going to be a really sad little monkey and then you also need to really zoom in on what I call rules of engagement so you have to consider the interactions between entities. And reduce it down to the fewest parts possible to really understand what's happening. You know if 3 people live on a cul-de-sac and 2 people vote that they should Rob. The third one is that okay and interestingly enough in democracy. Yes, that's. That's perfectly. Okay, in fact, that's exactly how it works as long as most people want to Rob the not most people then is totally fine. So all of this back and forth. |
| 14:33.33 | mikebledsoe | It. It's interesting. How people people lose the concept of morality at scale it. What you? what you say makes no sense when it's a hundred people but the moment it's a 0 people it's |
| 14:43.50 | Max Shank | The. |
| 14:52.23 | mikebledsoe | Somehow has eluded people What what do you think that is. |
| 14:55.22 | Max Shank | The the greater good The fallacy of the greater good. Um, and it has to do with arrogance. Some people want to be saviors so they have a messianic complex of some kind and they want to be the guy who saves everyone some people are just sadists. And they want to dominate and control people and typically those are the only type of people who want ah positions of Authority like I I don't want a position of Authority over anyone but myself because I think I'm I'm a reasonable person. Ah, it's totally unreasonable. To want to be in charge of hundreds of millions of people. It's totally unreasonable. Um, but that's why. |
| 15:40.86 | mikebledsoe | There's a book about this There's a political pourology I I began it I've read about 20% and then I had to start it was one of those books where it started getting I was gonna have to invest more energy into it. When I want to put my energy somewhere else. I'm definitely going to come back to it but the concept I had gotten to that point was psychopaths make up 4% of the population. This is a so this is a known psychological statistic. |
| 15:59.26 | Max Shank | M. |
| 16:14.72 | mikebledsoe | And just like the rest of Society. The psychopaths tend to you know they the thing that makes a psychopath so powerful is not only are they not experiencing emotions the same way we are so we experience emotions and. Creates turbulence and it impacts our decision making and yeah, we just we just do really strange things to fit in and somebody who's a psychopath the the really good ones understand that other people. Are having a different emotional experience than they are. They know it and they know how to exploit it and so yeah, so not only not only do they, they're not experiencing the same emotional stuff so they actually become very apathet on a become I think they just are that sounds like they're born this way. |
| 16:55.20 | Max Shank | They leverage that perceived weakness. |
| 17:10.91 | mikebledsoe | They're very apathetic which is kind of a problem but then on top of that they understand how you can be manipulated with your emotions and so ah, just like any group of people they're the ones that are really smart and then they're the ones that are really dumb. The dumb ones end up in prison and the smart ones end up in Dc and the so there they are attracted to pout. So you tell about being unreasonable this book makes the um makes the case that ah. They're drawn to power over other people and so. |
| 17:48.40 | Max Shank | Exactly and like what you just said, it's rhetoric driven. It's tugging on people's emotions rather than focusing on fundamental rules of engagement. You know there really shouldn't be that many laws and every law should be in simple language. But of course. |
| 17:52.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 18:07.74 | Max Shank | That is not incentivized by the people who are writing up these laws. You know so. |
| 18:11.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I like what you're talking. Ah I want to go back a little bit because we're a little off track but the it was worth touching on the the as you were talking before I was thinking about incentives because when we think about people who are in in a centralized power structure. And you always mention this first we got to look at incentives so someone in a centralized power structure where is the incentive for them to make the decisions that they're making so what is the incentives of the news media. The centralized news media outlets Cnn ah Fox all these things a highly centralized stream of information because they're all reporting the same shit. They've got the same narrative. There's a centralized There's a centralization of information there and then. |
| 19:06.00 | Max Shank | I would say they're opposing narratives but they're about the same thing and that thing doesn't matter very much compared to the real situation which is jurisdiction and Authority who's in charge and when do they exercise that authority. |
| 19:08.30 | mikebledsoe | There. |
| 19:13.18 | mikebledsoe | Well. |
| 19:21.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and well that episode that you recommend to me last week Joe Rogan with Gavin De Becker he talked about how man that was one of the best Rogan shows I've ever heard. Ah, he talked about. |
| 19:29.55 | Max Shank | Is champ. |
| 19:38.50 | mikebledsoe | How all the news media outlets basically agreed to call Iver mechton horse paste and there wasn't a major news outlet that wasn't doing that and so what they got. |
| 19:42.80 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 19:49.96 | Max Shank | It's a coordinated assault on people's minds to maximize their attention and to maximize their fear because fear is deeper in the brain than anything else. So you have to recognize that that. You have to recognize that the news is a hostile entity and you must take precautions to protect yourself from this because of the incentives you know, um, the whole idea of good and evil. Is um I think it's a trap all on its own. You know, don't believe the red guys are evil the blue guys are evil whatever just recognize that they're um, traumatized animals just just like almost every person right? and they're just doing. What is in their best interest with no regard for you but rather than ah say this is evil this is good. This is what whatever you just have to recognize for yourself that that is a hostile attack. On your mind and it's not going to help you exist in the world better to pay attention and it might even feel ironically a little more scary at first to not like know what's going on in the world but when it distracts you from. |
| 21:16.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 21:22.60 | Max Shank | The fundamental. That's why I come back to rules of engagement if I have value that I can provide to you that you believe is truly valuable as long as I can communicate with you. You will take it. And it'll be a win-win situation. That's why I say the customer is always right? The coercer is always wrong and the more you focus on serving your customers something that they really value the more abundant your life will be and the more you focus on. Plugging in to a machine that is literally trying to destroy your mind and break you into thinking that you are alone and isolated and powerless and convince you that some asshole in a big chair. Knows what's best for everybody else because he suddenly like figured out his version of utopia How could utopia be the same thing for Everybody. We're so different. You know some people like having their nipples hooked up to car Batteries. Do I Want that guy deciding what utopia is no way. |
| 22:30.21 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, ah, circle back. But the going back I wanted to finish on the incentives thing is is ah going back to the fear. The the media creating fear the incentive there is. The more fear they can create the more you're gonna consume their content and the more you consume their content the more you're gonna buy from their advertisers and their advertisers are going to send more money to the news agency and so you know. |
| 23:03.11 | Max Shank | And the more you'll trust what they say if you if you just expose yourself to it more you will start to trust what they say more and more and more and more and more and that's why you have right now, People who blindly Trust one outlet and blindly distrust another is the classic. |
| 23:07.31 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 23:11.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 23:22.71 | Max Shank | God and the devil situation. Blindly Trust whatever God says which is your favorite news outlet and blindly distrust whatever the devil says which is the fucking other guy. It's just it's us and them type of shit and you would think we would be past this but we're still just. Ah, half-retarded chimps looking for food and love. |
| 23:47.78 | mikebledsoe | There's um I want to point out you said something really important is the it's the repetition creates beliefs. So if you if you were consuming that news outlet every day. It's the repetition of something that makes it believable. We talk about the there's there's ah, a handful of ways that you learn something and if you want to ingrain something as ah as a skill and I think about skills and beliefs the same exact way is. Every skill you want to get better at hitting baseballs. You're gonna fucking swing that baseball bat a lot of times if you want to believe that something is true. You'll go to church every Sunday that way you get that repetition and so that you ingrain it. Whether it be good or bad I'm not saying either 1 is good or bad. But this idea of good and evil ah playing out and saying yeah red team bad blue team good whatever it is. It is is really. Great to look at through the lens of centralization versus decentralization because in a in a centralized model of society you can create groups of people and just say that entire group over there is bad or that entire group over there is good because not only is the information. There's um, there's so little deviation from one narrative about who's good or bad There's no opportunity. It. Yeah, it just creates very few options. It's like you're either like good bad or independent and you're kind of a dick for not you know. Deciding you're good or bad or not and so the decentralization of good and evil requires and here's the thing is decentralization requires people to think and that's why a lot of people are are resistant to it because you have to think. And if you have to apply moral law in your own mind to each individual that you come in contact with then instead of just being able to label them and not have to be curious about them and think about them and listen to them. It's it's a form of laziness. And people are ah again going back to repetition. People are repetitively ignoring information they're being ignorant by choice and they've done it so much that they they don't even think there's a way to consider and. |
| 26:31.91 | mikebledsoe | And make a moral judgment themselves on an individual instead of an entire group people because someone else did the thinking for them. |
| 26:37.79 | Max Shank | Well, there's a reason that um, we do that is because trust saves calories. It's really valuable to be able to trust other people that way you're not assessing every person you interact with and go oh is this guy going to attack me and steal my. |
| 26:44.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 26:57.78 | Max Shank | Will the beast meet or whatever it is I'm guessing be different now but trust saves calories so it can be a very powerful tool and if you trust nobody man life is extremely hard and it feels very isolated So it's. |
| 26:58.57 | mikebledsoe | Um, am. |
| 27:11.81 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 27:16.36 | Max Shank | No surprise that we want to trust somebody that we want to. It's all it's trust is pure efficiency it. It is like language faith Trust all this stuff if I can outsource my health to someone who knows better. |
| 27:28.32 | mikebledsoe | 5 blame. |
| 27:36.23 | Max Shank | And I can outsource my finances to someone who knows better and I'm saying legitimately. Also they legitimately know better that that's going to give me a much better outcome if I can trust a farmer who's much better at farming to make my food I'm going to end up. So. Crazy wealthy. It is like a superpower to have all of these different experts and that's the core of comparative advantage but you got to be careful who you put your faith into right? That's why I think um, The. The most flexible culture is one that is based on free choice because if trust is broken in one sector, there's another sector to soften that trauma basically. |
| 28:29.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 28:30.62 | Max Shank | You know what? I mean as long as there are multiple options for where you can go to school buy your food. Um that sort of thing. It's ah yeah, multiple places multiple doctors you can go to and of course everyone because of. |
| 28:41.60 | mikebledsoe | Well that this is where. |
| 28:49.60 | Max Shank | Power structures we want to go from survival up to supremacy. It's like survival sex and supremacy and sex and supremacy are so closely interrelated because that's how ladies choose the more ah exalted or elevated you are in the hierarchy the more. Ah, you are going to alert the sounds so weird alert The females to your viability genetically right? So you have to look at these. |
| 29:19.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 29:25.00 | Max Shank | Raw instincts underneath all of this stuff so because there are people who are looking to dominate and protect their authority. They're also going to stomp out other alternatives and maybe even with good intentions. Do some? Ah arguably evil stuff the greater good just anytime you like hear or even feel that sense of the greater good. Oh My God that person. |
| 29:49.30 | mikebledsoe | That's where book burning comes in hand comes in handy. |
| 30:02.45 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that's ah, that's a slippery one. Um, why the ah book burning I mean the modern day book burning is getting banned from Twitter or Youtube or whatever it is um. |
| 30:02.86 | Max Shank | Come on get out of here. Good lord. |
| 30:14.78 | Max Shank | Yeah, that's pretty wild. |
| 30:19.42 | mikebledsoe | It's pretty fucking people people think are advocating for if they were actually burning books on the street they might freak out but they don't think they're not able to think and connect the dots that these the the way it's happening is the same thing or. |
| 30:34.68 | Max Shank | Censorship is an admission of guilt we should. We should be able to have we should be able to have ah a Martin Luther King guy and a hitler guy have a nice debate with each other that would be interesting to watch and like. |
| 30:36.97 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 30:45.32 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 30:49.94 | Max Shank | What you have so little faith in humanity that everyone's going to go like you know what after that crazy guy yelled for a while I think I am going to go for ethnic cleansing now. It's like what come on. |
| 30:58.35 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, oh man. Ah yeah, there's so much to talk about there. The I think that I want I Want to point out that decentral late decentralization is not isolation. It's quite the opposite and I think what's going to happen in the future is that. |
| 31:20.88 | Max Shank | It's of specific aspects to it's not absolute decentralization because that that wouldn't be very efficient at all I think you're mostly talking about currency I think you're mostly talking about currency. |
| 31:27.39 | mikebledsoe | Right? You can decentralized to right right? You're not, We're not decentralizing down to the individual all I'm talking about but no I'm talking about food I'm talking about energy all these things. Ah the the it's not. It's not well. |
| 31:37.30 | Max Shank | In most cases right. |
| 31:44.95 | Max Shank | Talk to me talk to me about him separately though. So I can understand better. |
| 31:46.49 | mikebledsoe | I say this because what? ah my isis. Okay well I suspect that the media in the future. The mainstream media is gonna start trying to talk about deset people who are doing decentralized things forming decentralized communities. They're gonna be considered isolationist and. You know they're gonna try to you know, burn them. But ah, they're racist. Yeah,, they're already doing it. You're racist if you don't want to participate in this this narrative that we have going On. You must be a racist trumper and you can't be Trusted. We're gonna have to. |
| 32:08.38 | Max Shank | They're racists. |
| 32:22.50 | mikebledsoe | You know, hold some trials at some point down the road because of you. |
| 32:26.69 | Max Shank | It's just ah, a new agey fancy way of saying you're the devil. We don't listen to that guy at all. It's it's an ad hommonym censorship I mean it's so obvious once you filter it down to the real meaning of what's going on and if you're not even willing to have a discussion. |
| 32:32.29 | mikebledsoe | A. |
| 32:43.53 | Max Shank | And sell somebody on an idea and you have to force an idea upon someone is it really that good of an idea I mean if you need to spend billions and billions of dollars marketing your drugs are they really like all that good. You know it has no marketing for it whatsoever. Cocaine. Ecstasy marijuana psilocybin guess what people do shitloads of with no marketing whatsoever. All those things so if something is really good. People will find out about it as long as they are free to communicate. |
| 33:20.58 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, what? what were you wanting I agree what were you wanting me to explain separately. You only said right out. |
| 33:20.92 | Max Shank | Freely with one another. |
| 33:25.83 | Max Shank | Ah, okay, so decentralization of currency and banking. Let's say versus or alongside decentralization of other aspects. So let's say food. Education maybe even governance because that's ah, that's a tricky thing right? How do you? really How do you live in America without participating in America. |
| 33:54.95 | mikebledsoe | But well governance is at the core of all decentralization. So That's the that is how are we going? What are we? What are we agreeing or how are we agreeing on the decisions we're going to make as a group. You know what are the rules that we're gonna abide by what are what are our values? um. |
| 34:16.31 | Max Shank | We already have a perfect method for that. We have lobbyists who pay the politicians to decide what kind of laws they want to exercise over the people and then. Over time. The people have less and less authority over their lives. It's perfect system. |
| 34:34.63 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it works. Yeah, just shut up and go home. Don't don't go outside. Ah so the but let's talk about this so you want me to talk about currency and then talk about food as examples of this I think I think currency. |
| 34:47.94 | Max Shank | Sure just just ah, make them separate. |
| 34:54.25 | mikebledsoe | Which one should I start with the food might be make the most sense I think it's people can put their eyes on it and so decentralizing your food I'm involved in a project that is decentralizing food at this point and so um, there both. |
| 35:07.69 | Max Shank | For yourself or for lots of people. |
| 35:13.59 | mikebledsoe | So so this is what decentralization is it's about me my my objective is to create as much. Um, value for myself as possible and that is true value being ah my lifestyle. You know my my ability to critically think is valuable having a roof over my head is valuable the community I hang out with is valuable. The things that are of true value is I want to create as much value in my life. Ah as possible and. If I do that? Well enough I can then distribute some of that value outside of myself and so ah in a decentralized food network. For instance I'm gonna just give some hypotheticals because this is this is happening around. Awesome Texas right now. So some of it's hypothetical because it's in the. Plan and it hasn't completely been executed yet. But these things these are things that are in the process. So say that there's a twenty acre farm over here a sixty acre farm over here 200 over here five over here. Everybody has the ability to ah grow all sorts of stuff and. What you do is is you grow enough to where if you couldn't leave your own farm. You're good. You may not have all the shit you want. You're not going to get you know I don't I I have lamb but I don't have any beef and so and a decentralized model with food is we would then exchange. Locally with other farms now then it extends beyond that even fewer items might get exchanged between regions and we're also sharing information so we're farming in Texas someone else might be farming in Louisiana or California and we're exchanging. Not just goods and services but information as well instantly on what's working. What's not working and so in this yeah I mean we're not going to talk about economics as you know as a part of it but ah it. |
| 37:12.33 | Max Shank | Um, so it's kind of like bartering. |
| 37:24.27 | mikebledsoe | There's an so this is where I was thinking about timing money into it which is now I'm I'm like interlacing the 2 already which I didn't want to do but I was trying to stay away from that so the but I think that the the way that currency is going the decentralization decentralization of currency is making this possible. The other thing that's making this possible is daws decentralized autonomous organizations so you mentioned earlier that people need to exercise trust in order to save calories and so that's actually that's one of the big reasons that there's centralized power right now and dows actually help. Decentralized governance so daws are are basically governance models that are executed with smart contracts if this then that so right now if you and I go into a contract with each other and I say I'm gonna give you. Money for this service or whatever and then you don't do it and or or maybe you do it and I don't pay you. What's your recourse you then need to go to a court and then you need to so on and so forth. So as technology is advancing. We don't need a court to verify that something was completed or not there is there is a smart machine that is watching I mean depends on the service but but to make it easy to understand because this will extrapolate out to like farming. Um, if. You complete a project that we can track on your computer and you do it and you hit the complete button now. Automatically, the money is sent if I want to dispute it. There's really nothing I can do and that's possible because we're not using banks anymore and I'm not going to go dispute it and create a legal issue out of this. It just is and so. In the early days of dows which we're in There's going to be some stuff where people set up some rules and then they regret setting up those rules and then they're like oh we need to think this further out we didn't consider this and they're going to have to update things as they go along. It's going to become very sophisticated. And these rules aren't being drafted by lawyers lawyers are pretty much the people that are running and governing the world right now and like you were saying earlier. They use all sorts of tricky language. It doesn't make any sense to the layperson. It's very confusing and you can pretty much if you're a good lawyer. You could. And trap anybody in anything kind of like the Irs can basically you know if you follow all the rules as you see fit. You're probably going to be wrong or they could make you wrong if they really wanted to so in. |
| 40:11.22 | mikebledsoe | With dow's decentralized autonomous organizations which are run on the blockchain trust becomes unnecessary. You don't have to trust what someone says it just is um so last you there a second. How long were you gone? Okay, not not long at all. Ah, so yeah, the doubt dows are beginning to They're not going to completely eradicate the necessity for trust, but the future we won't have operating agreements in the future. |
| 00:04.83 | Max Shank | I'm back um, 3 seconds yeah |
| 40:49.56 | mikebledsoe | It'll be your business will be a dow and. |
| 00:26.10 | Max Shank | Well, it will still be an operating agreement. It'll just be executed by computer software. So it's software as a service basically which is responsible for a ton of efficiency. |
| 40:59.79 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 41:07.28 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and with the blockchain software with Blockchain is basically recorded everywhere instantly and so you can't go fuck around with it and that's what makes it where it's it's like oh people are fallible. The legal system is prone to fuckery. But. |
| 00:44.58 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 41:27.20 | mikebledsoe | Over time. The dows are going to become more and more solid more and more useful and their use cases are going to expand and so um, what I see a future where the dows we talked about this. We have the farms. We talked about this like a year ago yeah and the. |
| 01:15.78 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 41:45.78 | mikebledsoe | The currency is decentralizing the same way if I buy if I buy bitcoin but I want ethereum or you have ethereum and we want to make an exchange I can quickly and easily convert my bitcoin to ethereum and then exchange with you and then I can take. You give me ethereum and I could exchange it over to bitcoin it was it used to be.. Yeah yeah, um, and so what I see is that people will join. They'll be using so particular currencies based on their values. |
| 01:40.38 | Max Shank | Provided someone else wants what we're selling right. |
| 42:23.50 | mikebledsoe | And if I want to exchange with somebody inside my value group. We all agree that we like to farm regeneratively and so on and so forth. Yeah let's just get on the same currency. We'll make it easy. Ah, each organization has their own dow each farm has its own dow that also can. Plug into another dao and so there there can become there can become hierarchy I think there will be really cool hierarchies that are designed with das and what's gonna happen is ah I'm gonna be making this food over here and you're making your food over there and or maybe. And then another guy has a solar farm down the road and he's delivering batteries to people who don't have space for solar so you know that's the decentralization of energy and so and all this is running on 1 cryptocurrency. That are multiple daalas plugged into a greater dao and if this happens then this happens someone is signaled. Oh this guy is low on energy that this guy delivers it and then there's ah the currency you can see the current start to work there and ah a current is always moving. And so the the system we're existing in right now it can take days for money to transfer. It's it's all these weird bureaucratic administrative steps that we got to go through in order for this or that to happen accountants. And bookkeepers those jobs those are jobs of the past. Those are not gonna be They're gonna they're gonna look very different or become unnecessary. They'll be It'll be more of like a reporting thing. Um, and so. |
| 03:43.91 | Max Shank | The. |
| 44:16.47 | mikebledsoe | Because what's going to happen is. |
| 03:50.36 | Max Shank | It seems like you have more ah control over what's going on but it it seems a little bit less efficient because you don't have the same economies of scale. |
| 44:27.75 | mikebledsoe | You're not going to have the same economies of scale. Ah and well and that's not that's not necessarily. Yeah, you're not going to accumulate. It's going to reduce the amount of of Deca billionaires. |
| 04:05.67 | Max Shank | Um, it's kind of like um self-reliance. Well so I like to think in extremes. |
| 04:17.76 | Max Shank | Well, it's just going to reduce your individual efficiency. So I like to reduce things to exaggerated Exc Extreme extremes. Ah for fun and for clarity and so I think of the ultimate decentralization like we've talked about is you run your own farm. |
| 44:50.25 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 04:37.51 | Max Shank | You run your own solar farm. You have ah a plot of land on a River all your own so you can make everything you need to make but the more you are relying on yourself. You have to have less. |
| 45:23.13 | mikebledsoe | M. |
| 04:56.34 | Max Shank | Um, sophistication and complexity right? if your computer breaks down and you don't know how to fix a computer you're screwed. So What's the solution is it to learn how to fix a computer in addition to being a farmer or is it to live without a computer which ah. Is probably good in some ways and in other ways it's it's far more difficult so you just have less efficiency and less overall power. Um, if you're reliant on a smaller group so you don't have the efficiency through economies of scale. |
| 45:49.83 | mikebledsoe | Well, a lot of those things are. |
| 45:56.68 | mikebledsoe | Well, and ah if you Google decentralized network. So the the idea of decentralization that that word was made you popular in the IT community so ah now I can install a network inside of my house. It's highly decentralized. |
| 05:37.18 | Max Shank | The here. |
| 46:15.82 | mikebledsoe | And everything just flows and I can be on one side of my house and I I get perfect connectivity and I don't have to hop from router to router and all that stuff so decentralized networks. Um, the way it works is 1 thing could go down and it doesn't impact everything else. |
| 05:58.68 | Max Shank | The. |
| 46:32.84 | mikebledsoe | But everything else can pick up the slack for that 1 thing that went down so in your in your case where you're talking about the farmer whose computer breaks or whatever. He's not isolated. There are still people who are going to specialize. There are people in his community that are specialists and computers down the road and then all he has to do is flash up the bat symbol. |
| 06:06.92 | Max Shank | And. |
| 46:52.27 | mikebledsoe | And says you know I have this issue and so that's something where like we're talking about different specializations there and so you. |
| 06:27.30 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 06:34.57 | Max Shank | But that's where we get our efficiency from is through that comparative advantage.. That's why the whole concept of money in the beginning was so damn Useful. Ah, some people say money is the root of all Evil I think it's probably more greed is ah the root of some. Evil stuff that happens but the advantage of money is if you are a baker and I'm a candlestick maker and I still want bread but you don't want any candlesticks I can still get bread. |
| 47:30.49 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and so decentralization doesn't make that that makes that even more possible look. We've got billions of people on the planet. We don't need 1 manufacturer of 1 thing in order for it to be really good. There's there could be many many and. |
| 07:20.15 | Max Shank | To and and I'm not advocating for that at all that there should be like 1 1 person who makes all the food. |
| 47:49.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so I'm not saying we should or shouldn't but a decentralization doesn't mean that what the the main thing the benefit of the decentralization that I see is in a centralized model. We have single points of failure so you know there's 3 just as ah, ah this isn't totally accurate, but there's there's in ah in a centralized model and a centralized model like let's just assume that there's very few Usda. |
| 07:46.44 | Max Shank | Do you mean multiple points of failure in a decentralized model in a sense. Okay, got it. |
| 48:28.52 | mikebledsoe | Butchering facilities. 1 guy gets covid in one facility and now it completely stops up all operations and it breaks down the entire supply chain to where the farmer has to start euthanizing pigs because and this is this actually happened yet. These farmers have to start euhanizing pigs because the cost of keeping them. Alive isn't worth it because they got to keep feeding them. Plus they got more pigs coming. They're being grown and when a pig gets a certain age. You don't want to eat that meat anyway. So like there's like this very specific. |
| 08:18.48 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 08:26.22 | Max Shank | Wild. |
| 49:01.57 | mikebledsoe | Way of doing things and there's single points of failure in a centralized model and a decentralized model that one farmer could get I've gotten Covid and kind of fucked up. You know say he gets some some type of weird plague thing going on and and then and then the rest of it doesn't ah impact the entire. |
| 08:47.12 | Max Shank | I Totally yeah I Totally understand that I think for like. |
| 49:20.42 | mikebledsoe | Global community it impacts a very small person 1 person or very small group of people and the ability for these other ah because you're never disconnected in ah in a decentralized model. There's always interaction with the outside. It's just. |
| 08:55.98 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 49:39.60 | mikebledsoe | Just not centralized I might have instead of I always I only have a you know one way to get in that of my neighborhood I now have 20 and it take it may take me longer to get from point a to point b but I'll never get stuck in traffic. |
| 09:32.44 | Max Shank | It's kind of like insurance. It costs you more money than not having insurance unless something happens yet. |
| 50:02.92 | mikebledsoe | Setting it up is expensive. You know it's it's a time it takes time energy. Um I'm doing things with decentralized currencies decentralized food. Ah, ah, I'm talking my buddy Jesse about doing decentralized energy. He's working on that. Um, I think that's also important and so really focusing on on on getting all these things done is a huge investment of time energy money right now. But when something goes wrong. When there is when steaks are at $100 I want to go get a stak. It's me a hundred dollars because russia's not exporting the ingredients we need for fertilizer right now. Ah then I'm not going to have to pay a hundred bucks for my steak I I just go over to the farm and I pick up my food. Because I already contributed already made my thing I'm already I yeah we yeah we could we could eat steak exactly and so um, yeah, it's not cheap, but it is. |
| 10:34.62 | Max Shank | Or maybe you start selling steak and you start eating something else. |
| 10:47.40 | Max Shank | That's why I like thinking of it like insurance. Well it makes sense to me. Yeah well and you have to assign some probability of risk in your mind. |
| 51:15.31 | mikebledsoe | It is valuable. It's ah it's a you have to think further out and ahead in the future than most people are willing to do. |
| 11:00.65 | Max Shank | Like what is the probability that x will happen. What is the probability that y will happen and we talked about this in our in an earlier episode too. You have to ask yourself like what is the probability that I won't have access to food for three months six months one year and um. Everybody has a different perspective on that That's why thinking of this like insurance is helpful for me because in when times are good. It's going to be less efficient. But if there's some ah risky occurrence that happens. |
| 52:04.34 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, if something terrible happens if something if supply chains get fucked up and all that then we're living like Kings right by comparison. But here's the thing but it is already happening. |
| 11:39.10 | Max Shank | Then it's going to be well worth it. |
| 11:44.90 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 11:50.80 | Max Shank | But when it's not happening. You're not working as efficiently as you could and you're outlaying more capital to set it up. Well I mean. |
| 52:24.30 | mikebledsoe | So Here's the thing is there's canaries in the coal mine and there's very few of there's very few of us that are picking up on it I've been picking up on it for a long time Decade I Read Omnivore's dilemma and you look at that and I and I look at what's happening with the farming and I go. Yeah, I'm willing to invest a lot of energy in a farming even if nothing ever happens to the supply chain stays exactly the same I Still want to do this because ah the food that we have access to right now is not very nutrient dense and it's not it. It's already Poor. So The thing if I'm going to invest in my health then I'm going to invest in the farm If things stay the same but we all know the experts all agree and this is widely agreed upon whether you're on the left right? Whatever is. Soil is being degraded. You know there's only what 50 or 60 crops left that can be farmed on the soil the way it's being done so that every day that goes by the average nutrient nutrient density of our food. Is going down. It's going down. It's going down so I look at that and I go look even if we don't have a huge fertilizer shortage which is going to lead to skyrocketing food prices and rights in the streets and all that even if that doesn't happen I Want to do this anyway. Ah, the idea that something like that might happen definitely has spurred a little more urgency around the matter because I've been thinking about this since 2011 and it's 2022 and I'm just now getting to it because before it there was no. |
| 13:29.32 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 54:14.50 | mikebledsoe | There was no potential danger like oh this is coming now. It's just a slow trip. You know we're frogs in the boiling water. You know, just. |
| 13:56.70 | Max Shank | I think we should talk about food next week because what you're telling me now is a very different reason for decentralizing your food or ah taking more control over the lifecycle of your food and I think it's extremely valid. |
| 54:39.40 | mikebledsoe | Well, that's the case with everything that's the case with energy. That's the same with currency. It's It's not like it's not like I'm buying bitcoin or other cryptos because the dollar might fail that might cause someone to like oh fuck I need to get some now. |
| 14:15.94 | Max Shank | Because you. |
| 54:57.45 | mikebledsoe | But the reality is is we've got we've had ah you know we came off the gold standard in the 70 s and the value of the dollar is slowly degraded. It's the same thing as the food. It's just slowly happening. We're just watching it. But it's so slow that you don't notice and you don't feel the sense of urgency to make change. And so I think that I don't think we need to cover food necessarily again, but your your view of it being insurance is is that's only part of the conversation of like the benefits of decentralization. Ah, because. |
| 15:06.53 | Max Shank | The. |
| 55:35.19 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it's just I think it creates a healthier system. Overall. |
| 15:14.32 | Max Shank | And maybe not as efficient but healthier. |
| 55:44.20 | mikebledsoe | Um, I Well when you say efficient I I think I think it'll be more energy efficient Overall like right now we've got food being shipped from chile and. |
| 15:24.99 | Max Shank | Energy in versus energy out. |
| 56:03.38 | mikebledsoe | Steaks from Australia New Zealand and we're having it to make an impossible burger. You're having to get some ingredients from 20 different countries. That's highly centralized and inefficient. It's only efficient financially. It's not efficient. It's not efficient use of. |
| 15:52.74 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 56:22.19 | mikebledsoe | Oil. It's not the efficient use of people's time and huh. |
| 15:59.82 | Max Shank | But it has to be Efficient. It has to be efficient use of all those things The idea is that the amount of energy to produce it locally including everything has to be more. Than it would be to import it from somewhere else unless there's like dirty dealings or something like that. But you know if you're a company you're going to try to maximize efficiency. |
| 56:42.90 | mikebledsoe | And well well well part of it's cultural right? and part of it's cultural like it. It would be more energy efficient to get your food all locally. Um but the thing is is. You're not going to get people to farm because they expect to get more money almost everyone use 95% and now and now we got like yeah computer programmers in the city and and whatever fucking jobs are happening in the city going. Keep going back to computer programmers. |
| 16:38.41 | Max Shank | Um, well almost everybody used to be farmers and but and and and poor. |
| 57:20.94 | mikebledsoe | Only because you before the show. Ah, that's ah, that's pretty much it they like the most like the most useful people to me I Do you make shit. |
| 16:55.57 | Max Shank | Um, in our in our in our community. There's only farmers and computer programmers. You can be a farmer or a computer programmer or get the fuck out. |
| 57:40.17 | mikebledsoe | You make awesome software and can you feed me then I'll be your friend. |
| 17:19.46 | Max Shank | That does cover a tremendous amount of bases. Actually you know plumber Electrician there are other things that are similar to but you need like a tech guy and a food guy. Basically. |
| 57:48.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 57:55.11 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, tech guy and a food guy is it right? because that's all technology. The plumbers are you know they're working with technology. You know. |
| 17:38.60 | Max Shank | But I wouldn't trust a computer software guy to do my plumbing or the or the electrical well and that's what I mean you could figure out anything. It's ah it's so. |
| 58:07.24 | mikebledsoe | No no could I figure it out. |
| 17:57.48 | Max Shank | Amazing to be able to exercise the benefit of comparative advantage in a community whether that community is large or small. The reason for currency is so you don't have to rely on the barter system which necessitates that you have something the other guy wants. |
| 58:41.37 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 18:17.80 | Max Shank | And you want something of his so I definitely agree with you. The quality of food is questionable in a lot of places and inflation is a very sinister tax that is hidden and really. Fucks The bottom percentage of the population the worst. Ah by far. So ah, you know I try not to think in good and evil but that shit's pretty fucking evil. |
| 59:03.23 | mikebledsoe | Totally, it's like the ah. Ah I saw was I saw a meme a few weeks ago that was like Biden saying we're not gonna tax the poor rolling in tax the rich and then they print off a shitload of money. It's like yeah a fucking snake. Um, but here's something we haven't talked about but. |
| 19:01.42 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, it's yeah, inflation's not good. |
| 59:30.78 | mikebledsoe | that I that I've begun to experience and I think we both kind of do this is neither one of us optimize for finances. We really value happiness and connection and. Like was it ah a year ago or more you took a lot of time off of Instagram you said? Yeah I'll make a little less money. Yeah I'll make a little less money but you know it's not worth my happiness. |
| 19:31.66 | Max Shank | Yeah, like 2 years but if I hadn't prioritized but if I hadn't prioritized wealth before that I wouldn't have been in that position to do it either. |
| 01:00:07.23 | mikebledsoe | Totally yeah you you thought I had Yeah, that's maybe to have I mean to have the same exact lifestyle you have then sure. But when I think about. |
| 19:51.20 | Max Shank | If money is the goal then I think you're missing the point I think if freedom is the goal then money is a good tool for that. Just like exercise and language are good tools that can facilitate freedom. |
| 01:00:30.71 | mikebledsoe | Well I think people people do get caught up on the money equals freedom piece and the truth is is that if I took away all your money could you still be free for sure. Yeah, but you it doesn't. |
| 20:18.16 | Max Shank | Yeah, free to sleep in the gutter until I figured things out. No, you'd figure it out. Yeah you I would figure it out I will say this though. Ah because I don't want to sound like ah super asinine I mean the reality is. |
| 01:00:49.30 | mikebledsoe | But not the same thing. Yeah freedom is freedom and money is money. |
| 20:38.80 | Max Shank | Money won't solve all your problems but it will solve many of them instantly that a poor person might agonize over. Ah you won't necessarily be happier. What's that. |
| 01:01:07.65 | mikebledsoe | totally totally I'm not saying I solve problems. Well they that they've they've done studies where more money this is I mean the studies over a decade old. So the numbers may seem a little small, especially with inflation. But they said that? Ah what they looked at was getting a pay raise making more money actually increased people's happiness up to $75000 after $75000 no change in happiness happiness didn't go up. But it it did actually tend to go down a little bit and so yeah, there's in seventy five Thousand ten fifteen years ago it's pretty much talking about Maslow's hierarchy of needs is you have all those things you're experiencing some safe you probably can afford a home in a place where you feel. Ah, somewhat safe. You have a shelter you're able to eat food and whatever so 75 hours after that no more but I bring up the happiness thing because do we really need to. Keep on going down the path of ah, having more and more specialization advancing technology and innovation and all this stuff that is happening at at a very fast rate with the centralization of power and by the way it actually might advance more quickly in a decentralized model. If we look at open source software. That's ah, that's a good example of of ah of a decentralized system where there are a lot of people contributing separately and doing their own experiments but like I use an operating system on my phone that is. Much more secure and a lot more advanced than ah than Android you know it it utilizes android but this company that created the operating system I use. It's open source people are contributing to it from all over the world for free and then Android then later adopts it. And then everyone else gets it because it was the the advancements are being made in ah in a decentralized model but going back to the happiness piece is you know I could have a shitload of money I could be flying in private jets to my 5 different homes around the world and all that but also which. |
| 22:57.26 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:03:41.20 | mikebledsoe | I Could still do in a decentralized model that type Lifestyle doesn't completely go away there. But if I say hey I'm gonna take a pay cut and I'm going to live more simply and I'm gonna spend more time on the farm and I'm gonna and I'm gonna do more varied Activities. So this past weekend I did a little bit of gardening I did some work on the house I did some home improvement stuff hung out with a friend of mine to do all of it and I felt incredibly happy and incredibly wealthy. Um in that space. But if I. |
| 23:48.29 | Max Shank | Sounds like that's going to really interfere with your hustling and grinding though and you're giving 110 I I think it's good. You bring that up too because not only are people poisoned by the news but they're poisoned by. |
| 01:04:22.21 | mikebledsoe | That's right. |
| 24:08.26 | Max Shank | The false idols of culture in general. So people chase things that they are made to believe will bring them satisfaction and and then I'll be happy if I if I get blank then I'll be happy if I do blank then I'll be happy. And the reality is people are are different I know that's an outlandish thing to say people are different but we are and people have different wants and desires for a lot of different reasons. We have different upbringings and who's to say. That you're better off working at something you hate for 20 years so you can retire before you're 40 or doing something that you just purely enjoyed doing because you would do it anyway and making enough money but working until you're 80 years old ah, and there's not a right answer to that we want to especially the guru types and the leader types they want to say this is this is the way but it's like is it really the way like I don't know for you. Man. |
| 01:05:44.31 | mikebledsoe | By the way max and I are coming out with a product. It's called the way. |
| 25:25.74 | Max Shank | This is called this is the way do it or else. |
| 01:05:53.49 | mikebledsoe | Ah I think you brought up an interesting thing is because a lot of what people desire is based on what they seen on media right? No one knew that they wanted that car or this or that and so I mean if we go far enough back and. |
| 25:45.74 | Max Shank | It's all about sex people look. It's food and survival and then it's sex and sex is directly proportional to your position in the hierarchy and Ferrari's and glittery tits are the new currency. |
| 01:06:26.63 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, totally now if we look at the influencer culture and so we go on Instagram and we look at ah, what's his name ty lopez and. |
| 26:00.63 | Max Shank | For your position in the hierarchy. It's all this stuff is deeper than language. |
| 26:09.98 | Max Shank | The. |
| 01:06:41.83 | mikebledsoe | You know he's got the lamborghinis and the books and he's got this lifestyle thing going on all the glitzing lamb a lot of that was a lot of that was based off of hollywood so like people saw hollywood stars and people wanted to be like the the actctors and actresses back when you know television. And movie stars were the only influencers you know the I think you heard about that on that that podcast that we both listened to you talked about? Ah, there was only like 5 influencers in the world that that back in the 50 s or whatever it was or 60 s. And then yeah, yeah, like there's only a handful people that are known by millions or billions of people and now there's a shitload of people that are known by so many people and the influencers have become decentralized one. |
| 26:54.66 | Max Shank | When we were talking about like Elvis I think right? Yeah right. |
| 01:07:38.70 | mikebledsoe | We added channels to the television. You know we went from print media to video media audio video then it was internet Instagram Youtube and now there's there's more influencers than we can count and so that's decentralized so I think that. In the centralization of influencer culture. There was only a few ways to live your life. You saw their lifestyle on you know the lifestyles of the rich and famous and you go oh I want to have that mansion in that pool and all this but now like I talk to a lot of people that are my age and younger. And they look at that kind of stuff and they just kind of go hey and there's definitely ah, a lot of young people that are doing the glitz and glam and all that. But it's it's becoming less popular and it's actually made fun of a whole lot. It's the. They become comical means it's like yeah that is true, but everything's decentralizing. So now I you know I may follow some influencers that I like that that share my own values and so I think we're gonna see um where I think we're gonna see a lot healthier. Social environment with the decentralization of the influencers as well because I think where I think we've had to go through a point where everyone realizes oh I can be an influencer and they become extremely egotistical and it becomes it's not. |
| 28:39.42 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:09:08.99 | mikebledsoe | It's such a weird thing and I I think that a lot of people got fucked up by that in the last decade but I think on the other side of that. It's growing pains on the other side of that everyone kind of goes. Oh yeah, everyone's connected to everybody and everybody's unique and I don't need to be like anybody else or. You know I want to I want to be a part of this crew over here I don't need to to try to kill myself to live up to some fake standard that I'm noticing over here. So I think that with with well with tech. Well but what one of the things that technology is really doing and ah. |
| 29:11.38 | Max Shank | I Hope people are thinking that way that sounds awesome. |
| 01:09:46.92 | mikebledsoe | Bitcoin's a good example of this is transparency is you can see all the transactions between all the wallets anytime you want and so the well I mean my only my email is tied to my my wallet. |
| 29:24.13 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 29:32.34 | Max Shank | Doesn't leave much for privacy though. But that's okay I guess. |
| 01:10:05.97 | mikebledsoe | So you wouldn't really be able to figure out who I was if I didn't want to be found Um, ah and you guessed it. Ah so but um. |
| 29:45.34 | Max Shank | Mike Underscore blood so at Gmail I wonder who this is. |
| 29:53.82 | Max Shank | Who could this possibly be. |
| 01:10:21.26 | mikebledsoe | The thing is is we've had an incredible level of transparency in our culture but it's been one-sided Only only intelligence agencies were allowed to have ultimate ah transparency you know there's anyone can go look at any my shit. |
| 30:10.19 | Max Shank | M. |
| 01:10:39.32 | mikebledsoe | I mean if they want to be in my computer and my phone right now they can do it and there's nothing I can do about it and they want to freeze my bank account they can freeze my bank account. They want to look at my books they can look at my but they can do whatever they want we already have it's ah I think it's a Peter Diamandas ah is like. |
| 30:17.90 | Max Shank | Um, amazing wild gnarly. The power of the stick. |
| 01:10:58.16 | mikebledsoe | Like the future is already here. It's just not widely distributed yet or maybe that's a occurs while and and the same thing happens with transparency transparent 100% pure transparency already exists. You're already being watched if they want to watch you. |
| 30:36.70 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:11:17.13 | mikebledsoe | They're already collecting the data the shit is there now it just needs to be widely distributed because the benefit of this massive transparency. That's coming is the transparency will start going both ways. So the. I think Snowden was one of these guys that that started this is people like oh I think we need more to have more transparency with the intelligence agencies. Let's see about that. Where's the money flowing. Well if they don't control the currency anymore we can start seeing where the money flows at a governmental level. Okay. Things all of a sudden become very unpopular when we can start seeing how money is flowing all over the world and it's not hidden or being mislabeled or whatever it is so it's it's one it's one of those things. It's kind of like. I really enjoy my privacy I'm gonna do my best to maintain it and I would rather live in a world where everything was 100% transparent than 100% ah than ah well I'd rather be in 100% private but we can't. We can't put pandawar back in the box right? and the yeah so it's like the the next best thing is for it to be a 2 wo-way street is that there's ultimate transparency. |
| 32:09.89 | Max Shank | In a lot of ways That's true. |
| 32:18.86 | Max Shank | I think that's an important thing to remember with everything that we're talking about is there is no ultimate final best solution except for except for live and let live and I don't mean final solution like final solution. Ah, that that phrase is not cool anymore after that 1 german guy. But just you you don't know ah hit Hitler. You remember that guy. |
| 01:13:07.87 | mikebledsoe | I Don't know what you're talking about no fill me in how yeah I heard about him. |
| 32:55.78 | Max Shank | Yeah, his final solution was to kill all the non Aryans now I never thought that was a good idea and fortunately a lot of other folks also did not think that was a good idea. But ah anyway, my point is. |
| 01:13:23.71 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 01:13:35.80 | mikebledsoe | How does have to do with live and let live. |
| 33:13.42 | Max Shank | There is not well what I'm saying is live and let live is a really good way to live but everything we're talking about. It's just searching for a marginally better way if you spend your whole life looking for the ultimate Best way to live. |
| 01:13:50.53 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 33:32.47 | Max Shank | You probably won't spend your life living and doing things that bring you joy I mean I'm a very contemplative guy. Personally I find it really fun to just sit and think about things and sketch stuff down. |
| 01:13:59.91 | mikebledsoe | Dude, it's gonna suck. |
| 33:51.68 | Max Shank | That no other human will ever see because it's way too outrageous and I find I find that I find that super interesting. It's It's a fun game. Ah I also like to play tennis and dojujitsu and things like that where I'm not living in my head and I'm just in that flow state. |
| 01:14:25.00 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 34:11.38 | Max Shank | Um, but if you spend all time analyzing like am I living the best way possible am I living the most secure way possible. That's it's kind of like buying fire insurance. But then agonizing over whether or not your house is going to burn every single day. |
| 01:14:53.14 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 34:30.79 | Max Shank | It's like checking the value of your home every day. It's like checking the value I mean it's just like ah it's ah, electing to give yourself some sort of schizophrenia. Basically it's It's not a really healthy way to live The reason we're talking about this stuff is. I Think to give you some sort of understanding of how things are and maybe how things are becoming and how to make yourself as free as possible as these things change. You know I. Have enjoyed this conversation so far a lot because I'm ah kind of an Assholeish Devil's advocate if I don't understand something I will just ask the most poignant autistic question Possible. So It's a lot of fun because I know that. |
| 01:15:46.12 | mikebledsoe | Perfect. |
| 35:26.63 | Max Shank | You won't take it personally and it's also a topic that I I really haven't been able to grasp very well. Um I understand how you can I don't know actually because um. |
| 01:15:59.99 | mikebledsoe | You do you understand it better today. |
| 35:46.31 | Max Shank | The the main thing I don't understand is what the staying power of different cryptocurrencies is I understand the value of ah autonomous contracts. Basically. |
| 01:16:19.28 | mikebledsoe | I Got you. |
| 01:16:27.29 | mikebledsoe | Oh. |
| 36:05.10 | Max Shank | So like basically you have software and an escrow account like you know I lend you ah x amount of dollars you put y amount of dollars in an escrow account if you don't pay your payment I automatically draw on your thing that part makes sense. It's. Kind of like software as a service. what ah what I don't understand is how to value a cryptocurrency relative to another cryptocurrency or relative to the dollar. Um, but I also ah don't like the idea that. More can be printed any old time. So that's why so far I've focused on investing in companies that create a profit because it it doesn't really matter what currency they're dealing in. As long as there's more energy coming out than there is coming in and that's easier for me to understand whereas if you ask me how much f will be worth in two years I don't know if the answer is 20000 or or 0. |
| 01:17:41.47 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 37:18.80 | Max Shank | Quite frankly and and I can't understand how someone would be able to know that. |
| 01:17:46.24 | mikebledsoe | Man, there's um, there's a lot there I'm glad I'm glad that I'm glad you explained all that. So. Um, so the idea that that our entire lives from the earliest memory that we can before we understood value. We had made. We made something mean about money and for us american and probably people around the world I mean even if you're born in Mexico it's the dollar you know like the peso versus the dollar but our entire reality has formed around the dollar. So the dollar has behaved a very specific way. It's had its It's been consistent in our consciousness you know in different ways for different people. But I think that what we're gonna end up experiencing is it's a paradigm shift and so there's ah in in like all good paradigm shifts explaining. It is practically impossible. It's something that. I I think that for me. Ah what I've had to do is I've dug so much into all the different information I I look at how it works I've seen how it's behaved I look at the patterns and my I've loosened up my mind around the dollar being. The thing that everything else is compared against and it is um I mean I think we talked about this in the last year or 2 is like I've had a hard time going. Okay, we're not comparing things if we don't have a standard currency then man it's just going to be chaos. Really won't work. People are looking for stability. Um, so I think there's an opportunity for a paradigm shift around there being a single currency. Um, there's also people who were trying to There's a there's a gold backed cryptocurrency like ah you know a coin. Is an ounce isn't you know that's what it is it just is and when you when when you trade it there are your reserves of gold are somewhere and if you want it in your hand you can you know you could figure that out so there are things like that happening um a lot of people think and i. I tend to agree that bitcoin may end up being the like the reserve currency. Um, it's definitely a currency that now there's times that I believe that it won't be able to exchange in high volumes and that. |
| 40:00.40 | Max Shank | Definitely maybe. |
| 01:20:28.51 | mikebledsoe | It's expensive to trade and so only the wealthy will hold it so like like the classes of people will actually divide up based on part of it. It would would be like you know it's it's expensive to buy an Nft with ethereum compared to Mineero. For instance because the gas fees are higher so they basically train like ah like a transaction fee and so um, people will kind of like put themselves. They'll use currency that makes sense to them and they'll. |
| 40:28.70 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:21:05.57 | mikebledsoe | Be a little bit of a hierarchy that starts there. Um, but I mean in the end the the law of economic like when the primary laws of economics with supply and demand is really how it's going to go is what's the supply of it and what's the demand of it and enough people agree to be using a particular currency. It's going to cause it to do that and. I think it's going to take some Ai technology for us to that's the paradigm shift is it more likely is it's there's going to be a machine that can compute at high enough speeds that just kind of says that this much bitcoin is worth this much. Ethereum is. This much monro and whatever you're holding and you want to make an exchange it. We're gonna we're gonna make it work and I know that there's companies that are already working on that. Um, and you know there's this really cool sign here in Austin because I'm in like. Crypto land here right? So it's well they just had the bitcoin conference last weekend I had a few friends there and other yeah. |
| 41:38.32 | Max Shank | Here. It's even crazier in Miami and Florida yeah, don't get me wrong I love I love the idea of a decentralized currency that's based on demand and not based on. Ah. |
| 01:22:22.79 | mikebledsoe | Right? Yeah I mean as long as the authorities control that as long as people put their faith in the authorities more than they do and people then we have problems but there's a sign in Austin. |
| 41:58.29 | Max Shank | Blind faith in an Authority's ability to control their money printing and their grubby hands. |
| 42:14.29 | Max Shank | Ideologically I'm like a hundred but percent bought in already with that idea. |
| 01:22:43.79 | mikebledsoe | there's there's well There's this there's this one company that keeps on putting up signs in Austin they're black signs with white letters. It's always I I forget the name of the website but 1 is bitcoin bitcoin is a revolution. Ah. |
| 42:28.22 | Max Shank | Bad marketing. |
| 01:22:59.74 | mikebledsoe | Hiding in plain sight. There's another one that's ah ah bitcoin isn't and is not an investment. It's a vote and then um. |
| 42:45.30 | Max Shank | Now that that part I understand because one of my strongest beliefs is that you vote with your dollars and you vote with your attention. Basically. |
| 01:23:18.68 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and then another sign is ah cryptocurrencies are ah is a rev cryptocurrencies something like that is a revolution disguised as a casino and so yeah. |
| 43:09.64 | Max Shank | Ah, that's one. |
| 01:23:37.48 | mikebledsoe | And so and and I think that all of those are clever and accurate. You know people are in there trading and getting in there and and they're excited about it's new technology. There's an opportunity to make shit tons of money if you want and not necessary. Well. |
| 43:26.44 | Max Shank | As long as you're in there early. |
| 01:23:56.13 | mikebledsoe | But earlier the better 100% about that. You know the best time to grow you know plant a tree was twenty years ago might as well hop in now and ah and and currencies is just one piece of this we have dows we have Nftts I've been learning a little more about Nftts recently. |
| 43:31.63 | Max Shank | There. Okay. |
| 01:24:15.91 | mikebledsoe | And well the Nft world is really you know what's getting a lot of the attention is the art but I can Nft my property and so now the the government so the the government ah holds the deed to the house right? They they. |
| 43:50.97 | Max Shank | Oh god. |
| 01:24:35.85 | mikebledsoe | Keep the the ledger and all that shit somewhere and they give me a copy of my deed and then ah but the Catholic Church used to do that and then the government took over that function because someone had to do it and they they have more power and now it's gonna become. Ah. It's because the deed and the recording of of assets is usually handled by the government if you buy a car they want your title if you own you know they give you your registration. They're going to handle the deed to your house I can nft my property. |
| 44:41.96 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:25:14.35 | mikebledsoe | And I can sell it to you and the smart contract says well when max sends this money here then this triggers that he gets this nft there and then it's recorded on the blockchain and it's inarguable and so the we just killed a ton of. Administrative load I mean it took me thirty days to close on my fucking house. It should take 1 and or maybe 5 you know you want to get your inspections and all that shit. But the majority of those. Yeah no shit. |
| 45:15.22 | Max Shank | Um, well look otherwise what are what are those realtors going to do otherwise though come on what about the poor realtors Mike that's not cool. Dude if they could. |
| 01:25:51.50 | mikebledsoe | Ah, ah, the realtors is oh the realtors are still be employed. No you think so I know I know I know a handful of realtors. They love their shit. They love putting people on homes. |
| 45:32.10 | Max Shank | Do something else. They would be doing that I don't know I just like to make fun of realtors. No being a realtor is an amazing gig in terms of the ridiculous commission that you can get on a house it. It makes no sense whatsoever. Um. |
| 01:26:10.46 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah. |
| 45:52.10 | Max Shank | But just to clarify I think the idea of voting with your dollars resonates with me the most and that's why I like to let markets decide instead of people that's that's why I don't like the way democracy works because. It's basically glorified mob rule right? If 51 % of us vote to rape the other forty nine then it's perfectly legal but voting with your dollars requires that both parties of every transaction gain a profit from it. And there's no coercion involved so in that regard I think vote with your dollars and then investing in a certain currency because you ah believe in it like you vote with your dollars by investing into this currency because you believe in it I think that's totally valid. Still don't know how to value it relative to other things. But I think just fundamentally and philosophically voting with your dollars and voting with your attention is maybe the best advice to give anyone because then you also won't get caught. |
| 01:27:20.81 | mikebledsoe | Um, I think if you were to. |
| 47:08.46 | Max Shank | And this idea where you think like oh this is a good Politician and this is a bad politician. It's like no forget about it vote with your dollars invest in yourself and invest your attention in things that you ah want to absorb because you will be absorbing them kind of like you said you follow. |
| 01:27:40.24 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 47:28.12 | Max Shank | Certain Gurus Um, the internet is a tool cell phone is a tool social media can be a tool or it can be a poison and whatever you're paying attention to you're gonna. Absorb that you're basically downloading information into your brain So be really mindful of how you're investing your dollars and attention. |
| 01:28:15.49 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and go check out. Um, if you one of the things that things started stopped being so mysterious when I went and read some white papers. You know, pick out a few different. Cryptocurrencies If if you want to look at something that is somewhat difficult to buy you have to jump through some hoops. Um, you know I would say Theta is something that's extremely useful that is that not only will your. |
| 48:08.80 | Max Shank | And. |
| 01:28:50.26 | mikebledsoe | You have an opportunity for the coins you hold to increase in value but will actually give you cash flow as well. The more that the service is used so the current all these currencies are tied to real business services. Most of them are actually um and so. Ah, theta being one of these is it's a video streaming service and they're getting companies like Youtube netflix a lot all these streaming services are getting on board. |
| 48:57.10 | Max Shank | Is it like buying shares in that company basically but using the coins as an avenue to do that. |
| 01:29:27.23 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so you could do that or you could do ah you could also run a node which would then earn you fuel. Yeah kind of like a miner so you'd be contributing to the network with your own resources and there's there's. |
| 49:11.32 | Max Shank | Like being a minor. Yeah. |
| 01:29:46.35 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's ways to be involved and yeah, part of it is like owning stock like it's the future stock market you know Apple should have a coin. You know you want to. It's just just new rules. New rules are that same same game and which does change the game cause. |
| 49:22.35 | Max Shank | F. |
| 49:33.60 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 01:30:04.78 | mikebledsoe | Game is pretty much defined by the rules. But. |
| 49:40.44 | Max Shank | Well, you got me convinced I just invested my retirement into Nfts is that what I was supposed to do. |
| 01:30:11.55 | mikebledsoe | I wouldn't take all of it and do that. But um I I did just I cashed out the last of my stocks last week I hold nothing but ah, the only thing I'm interested is crypto real estate and startups. So I. |
| 49:50.71 | Max Shank | I can't help poking fun because I just don't understand well enough. Oh. |
| 01:30:31.30 | mikebledsoe | I own stock I own stock in a few companies that are startups I don't not stock market. So I basically pulled my money out of the stock market 100% so I don't have a retirement fund anymore. Um, and because I mean the only benefit retirement funds is I mean there's a couple of benefits depending on which way have but like. |
| 50:09.90 | Max Shank | E O E E. |
| 50:22.73 | Max Shank | Taxes Primarily who. |
| 01:30:50.59 | mikebledsoe | Taxes is the main thing and and there is a reduction if you're doing like a life insurance policy on you know how much loss you might endear. But the. |
| 50:35.86 | Max Shank | Just a reminder to our listeners. This is not financial advice in any way. |
| 01:31:04.33 | mikebledsoe | No, not none whatsoever. We're not financial experts we ah you know I just I have fun with my money. But yeah I've I've made I've invested. That's why I buy fun. |
| 50:55.75 | Max Shank | That's why you buy funny money. |
| 01:31:23.99 | mikebledsoe | But yeah I like startups in crypto the most and then you know real estate's the least sexy but I think the most important asset anyone could ever own. |
| 51:10.72 | Max Shank | Yeah, you gotta live somewhere and there's built in scarcity just follow the 3 rules of real estate location, location location and someone's always gonna want to live there. |
| 01:31:45.30 | mikebledsoe | True that true dot let's wrap this bad boy up and we we went hard today. The final thoughts max were you aggressive or was high aggressive or were we aggressive. |
| 51:30.54 | Max Shank | Ah, it was aggressive. Um. No, the topic is um, very uncertain and because I don't understand it I feel like I just kept asking a lot of questions which is is cool. Ah, but I still. |
| 01:32:08.19 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 51:55.59 | Max Shank | You know there's a difference between understanding and explanation versus having conviction in the idea enough to bet and I think that's something um that you learn I mean life is a bunch of bets Poker is bets investing is making bets. |
| 01:32:24.64 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 52:15.49 | Max Shank | And if you don't have the conviction to bet you really don't have any conviction at All. So The proof is in the pudding for you because clearly you are putting your money where your mouth is and that's why all these phrases have lasted the test of time right? So I think you got to vote with your dollars. You got to put your money where your mouth is and ideally you want to invest in things that you understand. So if you understand them. Ah just because I don't that that doesn't matter. |
| 01:33:08.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and I think the the one of the thing when I think about you're talking about conviction and the word that I was thinking of was like oh maybe you know I think this is how I see it is groking it that is I ah. When I grok a topic is I surround it I look at it from as many angles as possible. There's a shitload of data collection going on tons of research and it's just question question question question and then when I grok something one day it occurs to me I go. |
| 53:08.13 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:33:46.63 | mikebledsoe | And this happened to me in 2017 it's like oh we want you to talk on a panel about decentralization I was like well I guess I'd better. Go learn about crypto so early Twenty seventeen before that when I caught a really big upswing I started researching it in a few months into researching and I go it hit me I got the. |
| 53:26.54 | Max Shank | So. |
| 01:34:04.78 | mikebledsoe | Hit that grot point where I go I get this as like oh this is the future I should buy some now but and I did and I ended up making like $30000 in less than a year from like ah. |
| 53:40.54 | Max Shank | The. |
| 01:34:23.53 | mikebledsoe | Mean I think I may put like four or $5000 in total and the. |
| 54:02.91 | Max Shank | 6 x in a year is historically an incredible investment. |
| 01:34:31.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah I couldn't get that anywhere else I'm like I'm looking around I'm like I didn't do that in my own business. |
| 54:12.78 | Max Shank | Well, you could you could get it somewhere else, but it's just hard to know ahead of time. That's the thing there are lots of places you could get it Well I mean there are companies you can invest in that will do that. But it's just hard to know ahead of time. |
| 01:34:43.40 | mikebledsoe | Um, you can get it at the casino. Yeah, but totally totally totally. So um, so yeah I I like to when when something piques my interest. |
| 54:30.72 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:35:02.12 | mikebledsoe | I Like to just say I want to Grot this and that means that I can I can stabilize a perspective around this I don't actually need to know everything about it because I understand the the philosophy I Understand. The the big picture how it works and then as I learn more information and I just get more and more confirmation like oh I learned this small detail about this cryptocurrency. You know that validates how I understand crypto and I keep getting upgrades to that that understanding something comes in I go. Oh you know what I didn't even know that that was possible but in the thing is the I've collected a lot of evidence. Of course you know we're all subject to the particular activating system and so. |
| 55:30.32 | Max Shank | Is that confirmation bias that you're talking about okay reticular activating system I learned so many new words when I talk with you new many new words and phrases. |
| 01:35:58.00 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, kind of yeah so you buy a red car and now you see red cars everywhere. Um, yeah, a s.. Ah yeah, there's been yeah. |
| 55:48.24 | Max Shank | I Think you hit something really good there though which was you're interested and if you're interested in some I mean look I've done pretty well for myself. But the reality is I was just more interested in the topic than almost anybody else. It's kind of like cheating it's like ah the idea of what's what's difficult. |
| 01:36:25.75 | mikebledsoe | That's true. |
| 01:36:33.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 56:08.10 | Max Shank | Well difficult is anything I don't want to do. But if I'm if I'm willing to happily spend hours and hour hours and hour hours a day learning ah about movement and exercise and psychology and copywriting then I'm going to. |
| 01:36:53.94 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that makes me think about ah is it not being fair people look at other people and go. They're so good at thing it's not fair. It's like you're just not as interested. What are you interested in. You need to go be unfair somewhere else. |
| 56:27.25 | Max Shank | Completely dominate someone who is just trying to do that to earn a buck. It's not fair. So if you're interested follow that. |
| 56:41.85 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, right? Yeah I when I'm playing games I like to I like to play games where the odds are stacked against me. But when I'm in real life. |
| 01:37:11.83 | mikebledsoe | Or maybe they've just been out the thing you're interested in longer that could also be. |
| 01:37:25.88 | mikebledsoe | Totally yeah I was talking to a regenerative farmer. He says ah just always trying to increase hammock time. But if I can make my garden grove I can make the farm work for me. |
| 56:59.93 | Max Shank | I try to only play games where I have an unfair advantage because you you can You can do that. |
| 01:37:45.70 | mikebledsoe | Where you know I think a lot of people think look at something like that and they think about all the hard work That's gonna have to go into It's like now you set it up and you hamicck time permaculture. You know certain farming methods are built that way. Alright, ah the only thing I've gotta say to wrap this bad boy up. |
| 57:28.18 | Max Shank | E. |
| 01:38:04.76 | mikebledsoe | Is invest your attention into things that are decentralizing and learn about it because I think this is my belief and so you can just if you want to adopt my beliefs which you know when people do good things happen. Ah. The I. |
| 58:00.21 | Max Shank | You seem so down man I feel like I broke you what happened here. He's like I guess just ah, invest in things you like? ah. |
| 01:38:30.10 | mikebledsoe | Ah I'm um'm um well I'm is well this is my way of like not trying to be overly influential is my way of like it's kind of it's my energetic way of going you know, take it or leave it but it is a good idea looking at what. |
| 58:20.41 | Max Shank | Um, ah. |
| 01:38:49.60 | mikebledsoe | What's happening in decentralization when it comes to food energy money and governance and when you look at all these things and you can understand them if you get in on you if you catch the wave that's coming then life's gonna be pretty good for you. You have opportunity to. For it to be pretty awesome if you resist it and you don't want to be a part of it and you just want to keep watching the news and you want to just and put as much money into the Ira as possible so that your company matches it doing the job you hate then. |
| 58:43.83 | Max Shank | All right. |
| 01:39:26.86 | mikebledsoe | You know I think I think life's gonna suck. But you know I'm just trying to convince you to do things from a perspective I'm holding. |
| 59:12.40 | Max Shank | All right? Well I'm gonna go the exact opposite way I'm not goingnna be not going to be wishywashy about it at all I'm gonna say that if you go to http://macank.com/pass I have a new course coming out. |
| 01:39:42.76 | mikebledsoe | Are a. |
| 59:29.72 | Max Shank | Specifically for coaches. But Also if you want to be the best training partner possible been working on this for a couple years I think it's a real revolution in personal training and just movement coaching and communication in General. Ah. Limited space available http://macshank.com/pass.. It'll be more than worth money more than worth your time and if you are a fitness professional. It's a way better investment than anything Else. You could make. |
| 01:40:27.75 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I heard that I heard that your program is like the it's basically the the decentralized training system. You know so definitely go check it out. Folks. Ah, one thing I do want to mention is I will be at paleo effects at the end of the month they have not run their event in 2 years and every year that I've been before it feels like a family reunion. It's just so sweet. So I'll be there I'll be speaking on stage I'll be on a couple of panels I got a booth there. We're gonna be hanging out. There's parties every night I highly recommend. Go to I got a link somewhere if you want it if you want me to make money off this thing shoot me a Dm and then I'll send you a link if you don't give a fuck about this and and you just want to buy your ticket then just go to http://paleofx.com and get a ticket and then I'll give you a high 5 either way. Later Max love you |
| 01:01:00.49 | Max Shank | Love you bye. |
| 00:00.00 | mikebledsoe | Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're gonna be talking about ancient wisdom with modern technology because if you don't hold both of these at the same time really well in the year Twenty Twenty Two you're probably gonna have a hard. Time thanks for joining us max. |
| 00:22.25 | Max Shank | Well, thanks for having me in the year Twenty Twenty two since we started counting because if you look at how long homo sapiens have been in this current form. We've been around a really long time and depend to you ask. Roughly two hundred thousand years does that sound correct to you I believe as homo sapiens. Okay, so it's ah it's really hard to actually imagine timelines that long it's. |
| 00:46.53 | mikebledsoe | Ah sure why not? That's what they said on Discovery channel. |
| 00:59.40 | Max Shank | Almost impossible to truly hold in your mind. The fact that ancient egypt was 3 to eight thousand years ago 3 to seven thousand years ago and what's interesting is a lot of the questions that people ask today and a lot of the. Ideas that people feel are unique Today have been asked and answered thousands and thousands of times both spoken and written over the years and I think considering a the fact that we are animals. Who basically look for survival sex and supremacy more or less in that order even without the spoken and written word is an important foundational point for this so human nature which is really animal nature has not. |
| 01:50.34 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 01:55.91 | Max Shank | Changed really at all in thousands and thousands tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of years but the technology has changed dramatically in that amount of time. |
| 02:09.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it's um I as we start talking about this I think about there's a ah 30 hour presentation on Youtube by John Vervaki Dr. john vervaki and it's called awakening from the meaning crisis Highly recommend it if you're a philosophical nerd. You're going to love it. Um, and so what he does is he walks you through the stages of human consciousness and really ah you know. Our written history is very short compared to that 200000 year span that max is just talking about and he basically is able to start ah a in-depth conversation about the development of consciousness with the jewish people. Hebrew people and then how it then makes it over to the greeks and the the way the greeks start making sense of things and I but I believe there was either socrates or aristotle who started talking about what makes us. Human is our ability to use logic and to be able to plan ahead of time to be human is to be rational and that is to have that self-awareness and then ask questions and to develop. Wisdom your job as a human being if you want to become more human he talks about developing wisdom which we're going to get into and also getting in greater touch greater contact with reality and in order to develop wisdom. You have to get into greater contact. With reality and so ah in in order to get in greater contact. We have to become more accurate with what is and this is why max and I get really likely notice that we get really deep into semantics because. Words matter because ah, each word creates a distinction of reality you know and if you have a limited vocabulary your ability to interact with other humans in a way and and with your own mind in a way that puts you in touch with reality can become very very difficult. So um. |
| 04:38.86 | Max Shank | Well not only that not only that but the content of your thoughts determines your reality big time. |
| 04:40.41 | mikebledsoe | I Think about. |
| 04:46.19 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely yeah, you're you're projecting most of what's going on in what you would consider your reality as a projection of of the mind. Um, that's why 2 people can be sitting at the same event and. Have a completely different reporting of those events happens all the time in courtrooms and and then if we're if we're talking about anything beyond the current moment if we're talking about the past there has been a lot of research to show that people. Remember things. Not only do they remember things differently from person to person but they remember them differently over time and one of the studies that really stand out to me in regard to this is they did ah they researched people's ability to what did they report to the police. Ah, right? after a crime versus what did they say once they got on the stand and and then also what kind of impact did the questions that the police officers were asking the people how does that impact their memory of it and so. |
| 05:53.99 | Max Shank | The. |
| 06:02.50 | mikebledsoe | Um, I'm very wary of relying on my own memory or other people's memories to ah in order to be in contact with reality because I know that that simply may not be the case. Um, and so. Man Why am I talking about memories. Yeah, your your perception does does create a reality and how you remember things in the past paint how you're gonna behave now and so ah. |
| 06:32.81 | Max Shank | Well I meant from a very practical standpoint. It started with it. It started with semantics right? And the reason we go through these semantics so much is if you hold the word depressed. |
| 06:39.30 | mikebledsoe | Yes, yes. |
| 06:50.10 | Max Shank | In your mind as meaning a certain thing or even worse as something with a very nebulous meaning you might attach a certain word to your identity and there will be a domino effect to your entire psyche which is going to have a domino effect to your entire life and so just. Being able to ah clean, the slate and have ah an emptiness that you can put stuff back into rather than being saddled down with all of these destructive half ideas. That aren't really fully formed so you don't have a grasp of what's going on in your own mind and it's this very circular destructive cycle if you're not very conscious about the words that you use with yourself and with other people. |
| 07:40.38 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well let's dig into because we're talking about ancient wisdom and and modern technology and in speaking of semantics. Let's Define wisdom max. What's your definition. |
| 07:55.55 | Max Shank | Knowing yourself and acting accordingly. |
| 08:00.30 | mikebledsoe | I Like that the um, the way I think about wisdom is that you um, you, you're aware of cause and effect you're watching when I do this. This happens when when other people do this this happens. You don't wisdom doesn't necessarily have to be all based on your own mistakes of her Failures. You can watch other people's mistakes and Failures. So I think that wisdom is largely. Um. |
| 08:29.10 | Max Shank | Then. |
| 08:37.80 | mikebledsoe | Built upon taking personal responsibility for the things that are going on in your world and because if you are if you ever look out at the world and or you look at your own life and you blame somebody else for the way something is turned out in your life. You're robbing yourself of wisdom and you're robbing your ability to see how the impact of your actions thoughts all these behaviors how they have created the current situation and so somebody who is wise typically people who are wise you look at them and go wow they made a lot of mistakes earlier in their lut in there. And their life and now they they now know what? like yeah you got the old guy in the corner going hey little Johnny you may not want to do that and I was like why not and then does it anyway and then gets fucked up. You go? Oh ah so the the wisdom is. A lot of times people will associate age with wisdom but it really has to do with you know where are you paying attention and were you were you looking for? What was my role in creating any situation that's happening so when I think about wisdom I look at it like that. There's. Individual wisdom that's developed and then obviously the the collective wisdom and looking at ah yeah, and this is where like these buddhist monks that get together and they all meditate together and and they're very scientific in a way they're studying you know. |
| 09:56.62 | Max Shank | The. |
| 10:10.97 | mikebledsoe | But when we do this? What's the result we get happens in yoga as well and there the collective wisdom is when you get a lot of agreement. It's like oh we all did this 1 thing together and we all got this result and there's ah, there's ah, a collaboration and then we write it down in a book. And that gets passed down and so this is this is where I I really do enjoy reading what would be considered ancient wisdom ancient text because there's so much. Um, there is a lot of wisdom in there and it can help you avoid a lot of painful mistakes. |
| 10:48.49 | Max Shank | Yeah I think when you say wisdom to me that's knowledge because I think knowledge is knowing what to do and wisdom is doing what you know pretty much so the way I see it. There's a slight difference. But. |
| 10:49.48 | mikebledsoe | As you move forward. |
| 11:05.60 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 11:07.81 | Max Shank | I Can also perfectly understand the logic to your definition too. |
| 11:10.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, so so we've got wisdom. We got a couple to you know knowledge Wisdom Ah, let's define. |
| 11:20.60 | Max Shank | They all, they're answering ancient questions. Let's just put it that way a lot of questions have been asked since the beginning of human history where did we come from that's creation. What do we do while we're here. How do we balance out life and live life and then what happens after life death or destruction and basically every culture in the world has different myths or different stories. Ah, it's Funny. A myth is just ah. The the news a long time ago, right? So we asked the question hey where did we come From. How did we get here? How did everything get here. There are all these creation myths and there are a lot of similarities and differences we have How does how is balance. |
| 11:59.35 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 12:16.60 | Max Shank | Ah maintained. How should we live our lives and then what happens after we die and usually the way balance is maintained in our lives is there's a carrot or a stick upon our death that says if you lived a good life. You go to heaven if you lived a bad life. You go to? hell. And that is a very common thread in many different cultural fabrics so to speak you have the traditional heaven and hell you have ancient Egypt you have your heart weighed against a feather to see if you get to go. Ah, to the good place or suffer a second death. So a lot of these questions have been asked for many thousands of years of what to do with your life and what do you think? Mike? What should we do with our lives. |
| 13:11.10 | mikebledsoe | I think it's I think we should I think one of the pieces of wisdom that I've adopted over the years is looking at what's useful versus true and i. |
| 13:13.51 | Max Shank | According to wisdom. |
| 13:27.81 | mikebledsoe | When we talked about oh where did we come from what was the origin of the the world where what happens after you die and of course every tradition has their stories and I think what you're getting at you got the the heaven and health Piece. What is the Utility. Of believing that you're there's ah, a heaven or a hell at the end of the lifetime and that is to get people to behave a certain way and and so the utility for society to adopt a religion is to to help create order. |
| 13:55.20 | Max Shank | No doubt. |
| 14:06.71 | mikebledsoe | And ah this is where a lot of Western spirituality goes is you know? Well we're preparing for something later. Not right now and so which does create order and then if you go to the east and you look at. |
| 14:17.20 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 14:25.41 | mikebledsoe | A lot of those traditions and how they came about which um, ah, a bigger I think both have their their utility and in the east it's more of yeah, you're creating your own heaven or hell and in every moment and. Everything that's happening is a complete There's no progress so in western philosophy spirituality there's a beginning and an end and in eastern philosophy it tends to be circular like now there's no beginning and an end. It's just it's there's seasons and cycles. It's winter spring summer fall. They call that some sorrow and the ah I mean the truth is that that both exist. Yes, there is a progression of humanity over time. Ah, if you look at the universe. It's spiraling in a direction. There's an expansion happening. But it's also moving in a spiral. It's moving. There are seasons and cycles. So there are aspects of it that are predictable and then there are aspects of it that are not predictable so when I think about what's true if you talk to an eastern philosopher. They go. Well, you know it's just a season and cycle. It's not that important what's important is that you just maintain the quality of your own mind in this moment and create heaven on earth in this moment and then yeah, the the west says who gives a fuck about what's happening right? now go blow yourself up. For for allah and you'll get 72 virgins and so these these are extreme. Yeah, well, it's it's ah yeah, ah Hebrew um, yeah, well, it's it's not necessarily. |
| 16:00.82 | Max Shank | They're they're they're from the west. Um I believe Middle East not to be a stickler for geography. |
| 16:14.51 | mikebledsoe | It's east us. But when we but well when we look at. |
| 16:16.90 | Max Shank | It's all relative right? There are different cultures and they have different ideas of how you achieve some sort of Nirvana or happiness or peace or fulfillment right. |
| 16:21.40 | mikebledsoe | Or the. Yeah, well the origin of these philosophies that christianity came from which is what our culture is largely based off of based off judaism which is the same thing as based off of Islam. They're all come from. They're all considered western ah philosophy is is where it spring from so it went from. Ah, judaism hebrew to Greece and then came over whereas you had a completely different track going on in the east and that's why I talk about these 2 things. But then yeah, there's utility to both. So um, I really think about let's not get too attached to what's true or not. Because that is what happens as people get way too caught up on what's true instead of recognizing what's useful and so what I find to be useful is to say yeah, both of these things are true like we have no idea what's going to happen when we die and we. Have an opportunity to ah to create heaven on earth in this very moment. So why don't we just do both. Why don't we have a nice life while we're here in this moment and do well and help each other out and find peace in our own mind and let's also make some progress and see if we can. Make a better tomorrow than than what we have today. So I have no idea how I got to that point. What's that. |
| 17:49.21 | Max Shank | So so productivity pretty much do so Productivity is the is the way to live. It doesn't matter what is true just do what is productive and make up your own goals. |
| 17:58.99 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well you look at I think it was up was it socrates you know, true, good and beautiful if you pursue those 3 things life is gonna be pretty good. Do what's true. Do what's good and do what's beautiful and i. |
| 18:10.32 | Max Shank | That's a great way to go. |
| 18:17.24 | mikebledsoe | When I hear true I think of being in contact with reality not necessarily like a and I when I think about the Capital T truth I Think about that. That's my simple. That's what I in my own but personal wisdom says the Capital T truth is. Simply what is is right here reality right? now anything outside of that is got a ah degree of bullshit in it. |
| 18:43.73 | Max Shank | Man we could go down that rabbit hole big time. But I'm gonna for once. Keep this ship steered in the singular direction because you you decide for yourself. What's important in life. Unless you get it from somewhere else and I think that's where intuition can come into play a lot now. Intuition is a little different than instinctual desire for pleasure because. You can go down the path of 7 deadly sins total excess that sort of deal and you may not find the joy or fulfillment that you're looking for and in fact, more likely than going to actual hell. When you die for overindulging in these 7 deadly sins. It's more likely that it's a metaphor for creating a hell or an uncomfortable experience within your own life by overindulging in certain things. So I think. Coming back to intuition is very valuable and that's how the scientific method starts anyway is with observation and intuition you you go with your intuition to determine what kind of experiment you'd like to carry out. In the first place to see how that feels for you and this is how I like to connect it with the idea of identity because people get so trapped in different identities. It's like oh I'm a red t-shirt but guy I'm a blue t-shirt guy I'm a. But. I'm a white or I'm a black or I'm a man or I'm a woman and it's very it's very limiting when you're a creative creator so you have all of this potential to create things as a creature but we limit ourselves with this identity. When in fact, we would be so much better off using our intuition and our powers of observation to see what we find intrinsically enjoyable beyond some external result. It's sort of like putting the cart before the horse. If you do something just because you absolutely love doing it. The result is going to be way better and way more fulfilling than if you do something just because of the result that you may get so I think starting with intuition. |
| 21:37.20 | Max Shank | And observation to I guess observation and then intuition to figure out what feels intrinsically good that gives you an unfair advantage about any against anyone who's gonna do the same thing as you because you're gonna love every second of it and it's not gonna feel. Difficult at all because the whole concept of easy and difficult to me is you know there are things that are difficult like doing 10 backflips off of a cliff and landing on your feet but more practically difficult just means anything you don't want to do. |
| 22:13.86 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I Think that's a that's a really. Yeah,, there's there's doing something you don't want to do or or doing something that you may want to do that gets you a poor result that's also worth worth Noting. We won't go down that we talked about the marshmallow test before ah but ah, but. |
| 22:34.70 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 22:38.56 | mikebledsoe | But I what I think of when you're talking about that is the the 2 modes that people may operate from when when seeking happiness and 1 is having and the other one is being and if if you're caught up in the having mode. Of being and in creating happiness. There's never enough and you're gonna run out of runway and some days there's gonna be plenty and other days there won't and ah there there will never be enough and then the being which is thing if we look at. |
| 23:02.10 | Max Shank | There's never enough. |
| 23:18.90 | mikebledsoe | A lot of the new age Community. At this point, a lot of them. You know one of the things they do well is there is this focus on how are you being and then that attracting all these other things. Um the the pitfall with that is if you are trying to change your being so that you can have. Already fucked up. It's like oh I want I'm going to use the secret I'm going to use the law of attraction to get that lamborghini. Yeah, and you'll see how enlightened I am by the size of my house and at the beach. |
| 23:45.49 | Max Shank | To win an enlightenment contest. |
| 23:53.20 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 23:56.46 | mikebledsoe | And so the ah because I'll be able to attract more whatever and so. |
| 24:00.99 | Max Shank | That goes back to our earlier thing of survival sex and status right? and status is really about sex. Anyway, we were talking about the very beginning Beyond language or even deeper than language even other animals. |
| 24:08.76 | mikebledsoe | Remind me. |
| 24:19.64 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 24:20.13 | Max Shank | They're going for survival first and foremost then they're going for sex which is typically a factor of your status and so the way we explore status now is glittery tits and ferrari's more more or less. |
| 24:28.26 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 24:36.40 | mikebledsoe | Through. |
| 24:37.90 | Max Shank | I mean I don't want to put too fine a point on it. There are other ways to gain status some people like to gain actual power over other people like having political clout. But you know largely it has to do with a man's ability to provide. Into the future because women have gotten more and more intelligent or calculated with their discernment So now. Ah you know a mongo type of giant man who's dumb can't provide as well as a frail nerd who. Knows how to create value and wealth and security long-term. |
| 25:19.31 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, absolutely so going going back to having versus being modes. Um I think that what what you were alluding to before is if you if you don't. Have the being part nailed down, you're gonna be It's gonna be easy to convince you to do a bunch of shit. You don't actually want to do so you can have all the stuff that you think is gonna create happiness and if you're operating from that place and then we introduce. Technology these technology is yeah, it's tools and it's ways of leveraging our own minds and bodies to be able to accomplish more with less effort and so if you're adding a lot of you know if you're if you're on a ship and. All of a sudden I you know we're going the wrong way. But we're going fifty knots if we're going really fast then you know some people are so excited that you're going fast but have no idea what direction they're going in and ah. That's what happens with technology. It's like oh I've got this iphone in front of me and I've got this laptop and I've got you know a 4 our-wheel drive truck that can go anywhere you you give these things you give these ah you give these things guns. |
| 26:45.57 | Max Shank | I Feel attacked. |
| 26:55.39 | mikebledsoe | Guns are a great technology. Um Blockchain is ah is a fantastic technology that's emerged ah all of these things in the wrong hands in the in the hands of idiots will cause death destruction and and. It's it's not ah, a good look. But you put this in the hands of people who are you know who've already figured their own shit out and they can create some really cool stuff. You can live a really good life. You can you can do a lot of good for other people. And you you also get to fucking enjoy it which is very very rare I I hang out with a lot of the entrepreneurial community people that have money and are very successful and yada yada yada and I don't think there are any more. Um, a lot of them are any more happy than than someone who's working a tip old 9 to 5 making you know a quarter of the money. |
| 27:58.75 | Max Shank | I Think there's a big distinction I would like to make between you mentioned the being and the having and I think there's also the doing which is a little different than being. |
| 28:09.40 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 28:15.10 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 28:17.70 | Max Shank | And clearing your being so that you're as empty as space as fluid as water not to sound too. Ah fruity language over here is X I. |
| 28:31.93 | mikebledsoe | He's a fruit cake folks. |
| 28:36.77 | Max Shank | Um, definitely I have some homosexual tendencies when it comes to just I don't know I like nice things I like to use flowery language sometimes I don't know I'm a simple creature. No. |
| 28:49.15 | mikebledsoe | You you heard you heard it here first folks? um. |
| 28:55.35 | Max Shank | No one's a hundred percent straight I mean back when I was watching pornography I I liked there to be at least 1 penis in there even if there were 2 ladies so I guess I was like 33% homosexual in my preference there. |
| 29:13.21 | mikebledsoe | Welllthough this are you is ah I mean the whole it's ah it's a manmade concept. Ah the that there's a really cool mental model that everybody every everybody. |
| 29:21.80 | Max Shank | I know you think I'm sexy Mike you can just come right out and say it. |
| 29:29.46 | mikebledsoe | Why do you think I was over at your house all the time. Ah,, there's this really cool mental model that everybody uses. It's used early on in textbooks. It's hard to miss and it's the spectrum. It's There's this thing on the left and there's this the opposite of it is on the right. And ah, you can be somewhere in the middle and you go from left to right? and ah, it's It's so and interesting to watch people put things like sexual preference on this scale. |
| 30:06.48 | Max Shank | Where it's binary. |
| 30:07.57 | mikebledsoe | Of Ah, yeah, it's binary exactly and so it's It's really really interesting to watch people do that I mean I've done it I Still do I I Love the spectrum it. |
| 30:19.89 | Max Shank | Spectrums Spectrums make labeling difficult which is what our whole culture is in love with we love putting a very precise label on something and that's why we often miss the nuance. |
| 30:34.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so I mean so you have the linear spectrum but I like to think about a more 3 dimensional spectrum which would be let's let's have a ball. Let's have a sphere and and there's a lot of things in the middle. Um. |
| 30:34.89 | Max Shank | And the context. |
| 30:44.70 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 30:50.91 | mikebledsoe | Why am I bringing that up man I'm bringing up a lot of show on the show that I'm losing track of where I was at I cut back My new tropics Max What's the problem. |
| 30:53.24 | Max Shank | Well I think it's important I think it's important to understand that the problem you're having right now in this conversation is the same problem of focusing too much. On the definition of your being. The last thing you want to do is be proud to be a man or proud to be white or proud to be a woman or proud to be a you know fairy godmother. Whatever it really is so silly and you don't want to get stuck too much. |
| 31:11.77 | mikebledsoe | You know. |
| 31:29.68 | Max Shank | In trying to define your being being should just be enjoying where you're at it shouldn't be thinking about who you are too much. It should be recognizing that you are not a fixed State. You are a dynamic changing growth. It's classic. Growth Mindset versus Fix Mindset and even though the the book flow is really a challenging read for the reader. It's got some good information in there and that is where I come in with the idea of the doing. Rather than just the being like if you spend too much time in the being it can be entertaining to wax philosophical. But if you spend too much time there you become like a prisoner in your own mind instead of enjoying the emptiness. Of your being and focusing on the intrinsic joy of doing and getting into that flow state and that's where you become like an animal traversing the terrain or a big cat hunting their prey you become focused. You become the task. Instead of being focused on yourself I can't think of a worse psychological prison than being focused on the definition of yourself so much and that's one of the biggest emphases of our very sick culture right now is what are you.? Are you a blue t-shirt guy. Are you a red t-shirt guy. Are you a lady? are you you a she are you a they are.. It's what's a worse prison than that. So I say instead of that. Go back to the intuition and the observation to figure out the doing. Where you become the task and that is something that we've known about for a long time. That's chopwood Carry water. That's um, you know the yeah Boom tying it all back. |
| 33:25.82 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, ancient. Wisdom yeah that there's um I brought up this this video I saw on Instagram yesterday I followed a lot of the teachings of a Christian and Murty are you familiar. |
| 33:42.41 | Max Shank | So one of Bruce Lee's main influences. |
| 33:46.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think so and he he was talking about when you when you identify with an organization a group a religion or a race or a gender when you identify with any of these things. You are isolating yourself and a lot of time he was saying you know what? if you lived a life where you did not identify with any particular group whatsoever and at the first thought of that a lot of people would respond to him with. You know? Well, you'd be I You would be checking out of Society. You would not be participating and he would say no, it's the Opposite. You're open to the the all of humanity the moment that you identify with a group. |
| 34:31.63 | Max Shank | You have a more open connection with everybody. |
| 34:43.23 | mikebledsoe | You have just cut yourself off from and and you've isolated yourself to a very ah small small portion of humanity and ah and and the truth and and you're even isolating yourselves from people in that group because you're all in agreement about. |
| 34:52.96 | Max Shank | It's horrible. |
| 35:02.46 | mikebledsoe | 1 aspect of the entire universe and can potentially miss who that person is outside of that 1 thing and so you know I get some conversations with people around. You know, ah race and gender and the victimhood and and all of these things and I get frustrated at times and they're like are you frustrated because that ah that and I got I'm frustrated because the only I'm I'm trying to help you and. You're not even willing to help yourself. You're so caught up in this argument I can't there's nothing that I can do I can't I can't hand you any amount of money I can't include you any more than you're already included in and to participate in whatever it is that we're doing until you let go of the identity. As long as you hold on to that identity. It's it's you're inflicting this on yourself all the way now if you give that up and then you're being inflicted upon then now we have violence. There's a there's a real problem with that. But when we look at society as a whole right now. What I think. What most of us are witnessing is this this heavy identification with an organization group. Whatever it is and it's ah it yeah, it's creating massive isolation and isolation creates suffering. |
| 36:30.44 | Max Shank | And it's just ah, perpetuating this us and them mentality that this this whole idea that you should define yourself by 1 variable of your being is insane. You know. White pride black pride. These are just racist ideas. They're stupid like why would you? Why would you be proud of that. It's because you're so desperate to be part of a group because you can get status within that group. It's like a kid joining a gang because they have no family right. And if you don't have anything to offer yourself as an individual. You'll think oh gosh I can get some status even if I provide no value by just saying like I'm I'm part of this crew essentially so it's a part of our deep desire for community. |
| 37:18.92 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 37:26.88 | Max Shank | And when you have someone isolated like that It is much easier to get them jump in to some ah sick fractured part of a community. Oh big time. |
| 37:36.57 | mikebledsoe | Very easy to control very easy. Can I mean you I mean it's very easy to I like using politics as ah as just ah, an example because ah, no matter what political party you're looking at there is a. Oh are you? This are you? This are you? This have you checked these boxes. Well you you would be you would you wouldn't really be that if you didn't do this that you're not with how many um how many black leaders have been called white supremacists in the last couple years. |
| 37:56.92 | Max Shank | Us and them. |
| 38:13.99 | Max Shank | That That's a pretty funny one. That's that's a pretty that is a pretty funny one I mean some of the stuff I see is so outrageous. That's one of the things where I'm like this black guy is the black face of white supremacy and I was like huh. |
| 38:14.94 | mikebledsoe | Because they didn't go with. They didn't agree with Blm um, and it the. |
| 38:29.70 | mikebledsoe | Well I remember it happened it happened 1 time it happened with the guy that was running for the governor of ah ah of ah California and well well and and I and I was like oh that's interesting. But then I watched it happen over and i. |
| 38:32.22 | Max Shank | Okay. |
| 38:36.77 | Max Shank | Oh God here we go. |
| 38:49.40 | mikebledsoe | I think I've witnessed it over a dozen times at this point it's it's kind of like the boy who cried wolf though. Yeah I. |
| 38:55.20 | Max Shank | It's rhetoric and it's effective rhetoric if you know remember if I ever run for office. All my opponents are racist pedophiles. That's all I Got to say they're bad I'm good and they're bad I help nuns cross the street I work at the orphanage I. |
| 39:04.21 | mikebledsoe | I. |
| 39:12.91 | Max Shank | Have a rainbow flag in my front yard and those guys are racist pedophiles. It's It's such a classic ah appeal to Authority ad Hominem attack which takes us right back to heaven and hell God The Devil These are not new ideas. There's a bad guy and there's a good guy. And if you can make people believe that a guy is bad. They will blindly ignore any rational thing that person might say and if you can make people believe. That one guy is good or God then they will blindly trust anything that guy says this is not new stuff and that's why it's so important to start with your gut and then you were talking about Aristotleian logic. It's really important. To have the tools to determine if something is reasonable, rational and true and it is difficult because most things the answer is not enough information and in fact, that's a ah, really valuable thing to. Notice is that when you have a true false question. There are usually 3 answers True false or not enough information to answer the question and most of the time there's not enough information to answer the question. |
| 40:42.29 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think you said something really brilliant there and I I want to I want to zero in on just one piece of it which is the I think the the. Primary technology that needs to be mastered in order to use all other technology in a very useful way that's going to benefit yourself and others is the technology of language and you're you're talking about rhetorical fallacies and. Understanding language to a degree in which you can see when people are being manipulative with their language when I when I watch ah politics when I watch ah when I'm at the airport and I look at a Tv and I see. Advertising and commercials and I for for different goods and services and when I stumble across stuff on the internet I I get a good chuckle out of it because I can see the the Nlp the neuralistic programming I can see the manipulation. It's ah and it's interesting and and I think I have ah a very a somewhat unique perspective to be able to spot these things for a while I I thought it was insane that everyone couldn't see these things but there's there's 2 things that I've identified that I've done that that uniquely. Qualifies me and I bet there's hundreds of other people that that have done these 2 things and 1 is I used to have a top secret clearance in the Navy and I saw and I worked in communications and I saw an incredible amount of message traffic coming through ah about some. Secret shit and what I witnessed 12 hours later on the news is that all these different news agencies would be reporting on the thing where I saw the the reports we had were you know it was bullet point this happened then this happened this is how this is how we responded because. You create us. It's called a sit rep you create a situational report so that we can learn from it and make better decisions in the future. It's a life or death situation on creating these sit reps. You would not create one and then put a bunch of flowery language in it or or put anything that. Might not be true to make yourself look better. You don't do that because right? So you don't do that and then so I'm looking at at what I would trust to be very factual information. |
| 43:16.00 | Max Shank | Um, you don't hide it within 10 pages of prose. |
| 43:30.17 | mikebledsoe | Then turn around 12 hours later and I'm watching the news and I see Msnbc reporting it 1 way Fox reporting it another way Cnn reporting it another way and I just remember one day after being just. Months and months of sifting and looking and and being exposed to these 2 things happening at the same time and I go holy shit they're they're manipulating the the public at large and then I and then I I leave the navy. |
| 43:55.63 | Max Shank | Ah, the. |
| 44:01.13 | mikebledsoe | And I start studying years later I study marketing and then I get deepened up into marketing I'm studying things like and Nlp I'm studying hypnosis I'm studying how language is used to to 1 influence yourself and influence others because you're you're influencing other. Yourself with every word that comes out of your mouth and through your mind is influencing you and which and the words that come through your mind include the ones that come from outside enter your ears and then go through your mind and so there are. Combinations of words and certain words when used in a certain way are have greater weight for influence with an individual so watching seeing the objective data come through watching how it's manipulated seeing how much bullshit. Actually does exist there and then learning how it actually works ah does put me in this very interesting position and part of me wants to stay on the rooftops and be like hey this is what like can't you know that this what it is but but. |
| 44:59.82 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 45:13.75 | Max Shank | And. |
| 45:14.94 | mikebledsoe | People are fish in water who don't know that they're in water and if you in my experience I talk to certain people who are very intelligent and they are plugged into Twitter all day and they know who said what? And. What's going on in Ukraine and they understand like war policy and all this stuff and I go I'm looking like it's like all your information is bad. You don't have any good data points. So it's like if if we assume that what you. |
| 45:45.30 | Max Shank | The. |
| 45:51.80 | mikebledsoe | No is actually true then you're right? But the problem is is the premise for which you're making your argument is actually wrong and so the. |
| 46:02.90 | Max Shank | That's a big distinction is to know that you could have a valid thought process very logical and correct. But if the premise is false. The result is still false. |
| 46:14.28 | mikebledsoe | And this is this is a conversation that I I have some friends that are you know buried pretty deep and in these in some narratives and anytime I bring this type of stuff up. There's a. You can see the emotional reaction and the and the immediate rejection of of a of a statement I'm like you know what there's and my girlfriend I Go Why don't you like tell them about this or this or this I'm like they're not they they stop hearing me as soon as they. You saw that physical reaction. They didn't hear anything after that. Yeah I immediately got categorized as some crazy asshole. Ah yeah. |
| 46:53.88 | Max Shank | You're on, you're on the other team is the thing right? You're the devil. You're the devil. You're on the other. No seriously, you're on the other team and everything you say will be ignored or misrepresented or just. Blindly mistrusted. It's better to not have any opinions that are too strong. Actually there was a really good conversation. Um Gavin Debecker who wrote a gift of fear he was on Joe Rogan's podcast the other day and. Joe Rogan changed his mind about something in real time and it was really nice to see because Gavin Debecker is a good communicator and he's patient. Guy. You could tell in the conversation. It was worth. It was worth a listen I really enjoyed it and they were talking. |
| 47:33.92 | mikebledsoe | A. |
| 47:42.56 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna go look that up right now? What? um. |
| 47:49.41 | Max Shank | Were talking about ah model mugging I think it was called and Gavin Debecker was saying it's awesome and it's ah you know a 6 hour course 1 hour a week for six weeks and Joe Rogan um at one point was like oh I totally disagree. You got to learn martial arts for a long time. In order to make any of those ah make any progress because otherwise you'll have this false sense of confidence and you know as a martial arts teacher in this and that and he was like that and Gavin De Becker said wow you have ah a really strong opinion about this and Rogan was like yeah I do and he's like well. Let me tell you something that you don't know and he talked about the 23000 people who had gone through the program and had had better results in violent encounters and explained more about the program was and. Hundred percent credit to Rogan because I've seen him do this a few times and it's one of the more admirable traits in a human being is he goes gosh I really didn't understand it was like that and that that makes a lot of sense and he completely changed his mind within minutes and it's so rare to see something like that. And it's really encouraging any time I do and you're much better off not having such strong opinions really about anything because those are those are the hardest holes to dig yourself out of because you dug those holes yourself. By having too strong of an opinion the ability to change your mind is the sign of an agile and flexible mind and we've talked many times how adaptability is the chief survival characteristic. So if you get caught in these fixed mindsets and opinions that. Really aren't based on true premises and valid thought processes. It's like an extra prison that you have attached onto your being and if you think of one of the ways to greater mental and physical peace. As relieving yourself of the psychological burdens of the ego and breaking the back of the ego so that you can dance and you know drum to the rhythm of the universe not to raja style then it makes sense that you would not want to engage. In having such strong opinions because they are really more burdens and they're not very practical most of the time either. It's not like you get anything out of it and we can tie it back to the way that we use technology people are so desperate to. |
| 50:36.50 | Max Shank | To wave their own little flag and just say hey everyone I'm smart I know what's going on. Hey hey everyone I'm smart I know what's going on, please please like me give me some sort of positive feedback positive attention and that's what I see um happen a lot is it's. Fishing for compliments from the people who are already your side and alienating the people on the other side even more so it makes no sense to me what you're doing that for except to make yourself feel better. You might as you would be much more honest to just say. Hey hey everyone could you give me a few compliments I'm I'm looking for some validation Today. Can you tell me I'm smart and good but people don't want to do that because it sounds ridiculous, but they're perfectly willing to par it out the narrative of their team. Without having done any kind of searching for whether this is true or valid. So you're safer to just not have too strong of an opinion about things. It's very burdensome. |
| 51:47.13 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, if your if your ego can withstand it. There's are you familiar with ah Byron Katie okay yeah she's um, she came up with something called the work and she. |
| 51:56.20 | Max Shank | That name sounds familiar. |
| 52:04.68 | mikebledsoe | She also wrote I think one of her books I've got it somewhere around here. It's called ah, 1000 names for joy and ah she her background is very very interesting and that she's not a psychologist. She didn't study spirituality. Anything like that and yet she became one of the most profound ah speakers and you know like you quote unquote therapists that ever lived and if you really want to be impressed with her. She does something called. |
| 52:31.46 | Max Shank | And. |
| 52:39.47 | mikebledsoe | Ah, the work and the turnaround and she has a 4 step process that she takes people through you can just Youtube Byron Katie the work and you'll be able to witness it and the the idea of the work is the premise of it is that. People are creating suffering in their own life. Oh I want to talk about this first. The way she got to where she is now is she lost her fucking mind she lost her. Ah she went through down this really negative. Rabbit hole ended up like walking through the desert and she was gone. |
| 53:14.14 | Max Shank | Well, how did we get here? How did we get here. Didn't We do roughly the same thing I mean you and I lost our minds at least once E trent. |
| 53:15.75 | mikebledsoe | Back in the 80 s huh what do you mean. Oh for sure for sure. Um, but I don't think we were suicidal I only I wasn't suicidal when I when I lost it was one of sick. |
| 53:31.65 | Max Shank | We weren't so far gone maybe does suicidal mean you're like really going to do it or you just thinking about what it would be like because who doesn't think about who doesn't think about what it would be like. |
| 53:41.36 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's suicidal ideation. Yeah well of course there's suicidal ideation and then there's suicid all um. |
| 53:53.60 | Max Shank | I mean I have it all planned out like you you want to do it. You want to but I'm a perfectionist that that's why I haven't done it. |
| 53:57.87 | mikebledsoe | I Just want to I just go skydiving and not not pull the cord man just go skydiving I don't pull the cord. That's that's my mask you know if I'm ever gonna go. It's probably I'll do it. |
| 54:08.62 | Max Shank | The problem is I'm a perfectionist I'm still planning out the perfect suicide which is the only thing that's saving me. |
| 54:11.96 | mikebledsoe | Ah, ah. So ah, anyways, she she basically had ah a major mental breakdown and ah, you know there's something. Ah, there's a few people out there. Jeed Mckenna is another person who basically went through a mental breakdown took about 2 years to get through it. |
| 54:35.61 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 54:37.12 | mikebledsoe | Which is what what they have in common is they stop believing their thoughts and they got down to they were able to stabilize the perspective of truth which is just a constant presence with reality without the. |
| 54:42.32 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 54:54.33 | mikebledsoe | Ah, without stories narratives things like that getting a fixed and attached to so she has a 4 step process for any narrative you might have to pry your identity from it and so ah, the the. |
| 54:57.89 | Max Shank | M. |
| 55:06.54 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 55:12.99 | mikebledsoe | The key issue is that people believe their thoughts and when you believe your thought to be true. You then identify for it with it. It becomes part of who you are and if you try to wrestle the belief out of somebody's ego. The ego is gonna fight back and say no, no, no Motherfucker. If I Let go of this then I'm gonna die going back to being accepted by the tribe because yeah, and so and so I need to be accepted by the tribe if I let this go. It's a very deep. Ah you know. |
| 55:35.61 | Max Shank | Right permanence. |
| 55:50.26 | mikebledsoe | Deep thing in your psyche. It's not something where you just hear me talk about it and go Okay I'm good with it I've been I've been hip to this conversation for a decade and I'm still you know wrestling with constantly questioning is this a belief or is this what I'm noticing or you know like there's a constant. Ah. |
| 55:54.28 | Max Shank | Are. |
| 56:09.99 | mikebledsoe | Questioning going on which I think is very very healthy if. You're not doing that if you haven't stabilized reality which I think almost you know, probably a handful of people alive on the planet have actually achieved that the rest of us are walking around with some type of narrative. Some people are so bought into it. They don't. Don't even know their beliefs might not be true and then to to be operating from a place where you're actually questioning your beliefs as and being based in something that's not reality is ah is ah I think a really healthy place to be and and that means that the ego has to you have to have a relationship to the ego. That is ah that is not so attached you know and if anyone is if anyone really wants to get to the core of beliefs and language and all that I think Byron Katie is likely the best. Practical resource There's some other really cool resources out there if you're really into the conceptual shit but she has got one of those practical tools I've seen out there. |
| 57:17.61 | Max Shank | So it all comes back to trying to ease suffering basically right because suffering is resistance and the opposite of resistance is acceptance so you accept the death of the ego which. |
| 57:24.56 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 57:37.10 | Max Shank | The reason people fear death of their body is because the story ends I I like to phrase it that way at least makes sense to me I would be willing to hear any argument to the contrary because I like a good argument, especially a civil. |
| 57:41.61 | mikebledsoe | That's right. |
| 57:52.11 | mikebledsoe | Um, I'm afraid of the horns and the pitchfork fellow. Yeah. |
| 57:55.76 | Max Shank | Argument. We're afraid of the devil that makes sense. Ah he seems pretty sinister. Guy seems like he would enjoy torturing you for a really long time. But anyway so jokes on him I dig it. |
| 58:05.78 | mikebledsoe | I Might like it though start jokes on him. Um. |
| 58:14.70 | Max Shank | Give it to me Diablo Man. Ah so we're talking about how to ease suffering pretty much and allow us to live with more peace more prosperity more productivity and. More productivity That's where technology comes into play and a tool is just a tool. It is in fact, ah more about how you use it So a scalpel in the hands of a child is very dangerous but a scalpel in the hands of a surgeon can. Save your life so understanding what you're trying to do with the tools you have available and is it more mindfulness is it more intentioned is it more deliberate. These are all Synonyms. Of course. But look computers are such crazy leverage machines but most of the time we're just floating stuff out there um to get validation which is an external trap rather than an intrinsic joy of doing and being. So recognizing what tools are most important in your life is a good place to start kind of embracing a minimalist attitude toward the tools that you possess and. Not necessarily does it Spark joy. But what is the real use of this can I get along without it and the same way. A computer can totally trap you on the internet if you don't have wisdom and you have a computer with internet Connection. You are fucked. Your your soul will be gone if you're going on Pure instinct and you have a computer with internet Connection. You're Gone. You need to have some wisdom to control these very powerful tools. It's the same with the refrigerator. Wow. What an amazing Concept. A refrigerator can store all this food. But if I have unregulated gluttony instead of wisdom which you know there are ancient proverbs that say eat until you're 80% full. It's It's the simplest thing. But that's why knowledge is easy but wisdom is really the practice of Knowledge. It's knowledge applied to your specific Situation. So I think having ah an appreciation for technology is maybe a good first step. |
| 01:01:00.26 | Max Shank | And recognizing how fortunate we are to have access to the goods that we have access to and to put yourself in a scenario where you don't have access to these tools and what life is like and then reintroduce them back. Into your existence. You'll have a greater appreciation for them and they'll you'll use them a lot more deliberately I think. |
| 01:01:28.48 | mikebledsoe | Well sir that that feels like an end of show synnosis. Yeah yeah, yeah, same. |
| 01:01:34.19 | Max Shank | Boom I Love it. Yeah so I think the I think the modern technology is way Easier. We don't need to talk about it too much and I think the the ancient wisdom has a lot of facets to it. It. It does primarily center around questions people have been asking for a long time and how do you find peace in your being joy in your doing and gratitude in your having. |
| 01:02:07.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, beautiful, well said? Yeah I think about um, a really good example is you know how do you for those who use Instagram how do you use it are you are you a pure consumer that's just scrolling through that's. Being used by technology or are you are you using technology are you are you creating with it and not only are you creating but are you creating something that that brings you joy and brings other people joy and so I think about technology is simply an amplifier of it's going to amplify what is if. If if your life is full of destruction. You're gonna be able to amplify that destruction if your life is full of creative creative energy. You're gonna be able to create unlike you were be able to you were able to create before so be aware of that and the number 1 technology. That we all have access to is language. So what? what was that noise. |
| 01:03:13.23 | Max Shank | Dude I was gonna say the same thing I'm I'm right there with you. There's no, there's no more valuable technology than language. That's why you and I harp on it so much is because it is ah other than getting comfortable sitting quietly and just. |
| 01:03:14.52 | mikebledsoe | I. |
| 01:03:30.40 | Max Shank | Doing things in silence it. It is the the key to unlocking and relieving yourself of these burdens. |
| 01:03:34.78 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, if you can master that you can be the creator of your world and if you don't master that you will be the slave to other people who have mastered language. So ah, ah. |
| 01:03:48.44 | Max Shank | Pooh. We. |
| 01:03:52.78 | Max Shank | Ah, it reminds me. It reminds me of this thing I was reading about ancient Egypt where the the priest or the leader had ah a temple that no one else could go into and they would bring him gold and food and women and shit like that. |
| 01:03:57.39 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 01:04:11.82 | Max Shank | And he told them that every night he had to negotiate Mott M a at which is balance with the equal and opposite world on the other side but of course no one could ah confirm this but I was just thinking what a powerful. Language swindle that is to say hey listen every single day I'm going to negotiate with essentially the other world or the underworld to make sure there's balance in all of our lives as long as you bring me all your gold and food and all this Stuff. While I go into that private room and handle this negotiation. It's it's crazy that you can get people to do things just by making noises with your mouth speaking of marketing and sales I mean it's Crazy. It's Crazy. It's Crazy. It's not Fair. It's not Fair. It's basically cheating because your relation with your relationship with yourself basically language related in a lot of cases understanding the definition of things your relationships with other people largely language related and then your relationship with your customers. You are setting the tone. |
| 01:05:10.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, go. |
| 01:05:24.51 | Max Shank | With every word you say it's It's not Fair. It's not fair that it's such an unfair advantage that if you can speak and communicate in a way that is both clear and inspiring. You can exponentially. Amplify. Whatever it is. You're slinging if you're slinging carpet cleaning or fitness products like myself. It is fully an unfair advantage and I can speak from experience. |
| 01:05:45.14 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:05:55.80 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely and an overlooked thing around language I think most people when they hear using language especially in the way we've been talking about it is in regard to marketing or Pr Politics Media they're thinking about the outside language. Well there's also the internal dialogue you're having with yourself mastering that will help you master yourself and then the next layer inside of that is the the thoughts that are made up of words that are operating in your subconscious. And I I believe that everybody has witnessed this whether they recognize it or not they witness something that's been living in the subconscious pop up into the conscious realm of their mind and they go where whered that thought come from that was fucking weird that thought's been in there. For a long time more than likely and ah, you're just now you just now have awareness of it and it's likely been causing your your personality. It's been causing behavior for you and you didn't even know it. So I think it's safe to say if you. This is one of those useful beliefs that I have which is 95% and I I say 95% to get people a little more credit but I think it's probably closer to 98 or 99% of what's operating in your mind is subconscious, unconscious and ah. We we give ourselves a lot more credit for thinking that we're we're doing things on purpose when most of what we're doing is is an autopilot function and ah for me it. It's really cool to do conscious programming where I am. |
| 01:07:37.10 | Max Shank | The. |
| 01:07:48.44 | mikebledsoe | Intentionally bringing thoughts into my mind that are going to move me where I want to go but I find even more power and subconscious programming if you learn how to hypnotize yourself and embed codes that you want to operate without any conscious effort. Throughout the day. There's ways to do that as well and maybe I should put together a course or something I told somebody recently at a mastermind that they go well what thing could you bring to the group that would benefit them well I could teach you how to hypnotize yourself. Everybody's heads turn. Never heard of that before I've heard of hypnotizing other people. Yeah, you can hypnotize yourself but you know what show is wrapping up so I to save that little trick for later later it. It's really simple so hit hit me up on Instagram if you want to know about it oll ah send you a free Pdf or something. Have to make it up. |
| 01:08:44.62 | Max Shank | Cool modern technology. |
| 01:08:49.89 | mikebledsoe | All right max it out where where are people finding you these days. |
| 01:08:56.77 | Max Shank | Well I'm currently at the top of a very tall mountain studying with a monk who is 500 years old to figure out the meaning of life and he says in another couple hundred years. We just might figure it out. |
| 01:09:11.80 | mikebledsoe | Nice, nice looking forward to hearing the answer to that I'm gonna be using all the new biotech that's available to live to for another 200 years so I think we're gonna be good to go. Ah, you can find me on Instagram at Mike Underscore blood so and yeah check out the blood so show for more content interviews go to http://matchschk.com. He's not gonna toot his own horn today for whatever reason so go to http://maschank.com and check out. Courses on how to do cool stuff with your body and I'll see you next time Levy Max |
| 01:09:50.67 | Max Shank | Love you buddy! Thank you. |
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| 00:00.00 | Max Shank | Welcome back everybody to Monday morning with max and Mike Today we are going to talk about arguably the most important topic in your life because it is your life. It's about securing your future. Both. From a fitness standpoint a financial standpoint and a friendship standpoint so we are gonna talk about what is going to happen in the near and possibly distant future and what you should do about it. This is gonna be really fun. Mike thanks for joining me today. |
| 00:34.83 | mikebledsoe | Thanks! Man. Ah yeah, I'm excited to talk about this because we were just chatting before as we always do we we get a good fifteen twenty minute chat on before we do the show and I was walking max through all the steps that I've been. I've been getting walked through by a friend of mine on how to secure crypto finances and what it really takes to make sure that those things stay safe and why does that interest me well that interests me because. I look at the future and I see a lot of uncertainty which I think everybody does and if you're somebody who thinks that the future is certain then you have really fooled yourself and because we have no idea what will happen so the lot of ah. |
| 01:25.67 | Max Shank | I Think a certain future has to be kind of a sad one The the more certainty in your future. The more sad it's going to be and that's the paradox of what we're talking about is the more you secure something the more you trap that something. |
| 01:30.12 | mikebledsoe | Set Yeah a certain future is boring. |
| 01:44.85 | Max Shank | Because there are really only two ways forward. There's exposure and avoidance and if you only use avoidance as a strategy you will have greater security but you also have a much lower quality of life in your world Your universe your unique perspective. |
| 02:03.69 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well, this also makes me think about the was it Nicholas Taleb nasim his approach in the book anti-fragile anytime I think about securing the future or investing or health and fitness I gravitate towards his philosophy. |
| 02:03.89 | Max Shank | Will shrink. |
| 02:23.41 | mikebledsoe | And his his first really well-known book that came out was the black swan and black swan was about black swan events those are events that are unpredictable and black swan is is a reference to ah europeans that thought that only swans could be white. And they never considered that there'd be a swan that was any other color and then some of these europeans hopped on boats and traveled to other parts of the world and one day they see a black swan and it was mind-bending because it was never considered that. That could ever be true anyway and so the future and well the the past is is littered with black swan events. We think we know what's going to happen or we think we can prepare for every eventuality but the truth is is you can't actually prepare for every eventuality. And I find that anytime I start trying to set up an avoidance system for every potential problem that might come up I actually end up getting really bogged down and creativity goes down and it becomes very difficult to move forward and so ah. In his book. Black Swan he starts getting into the anti-fragile conversation then he goes into anti-fragile conversation and in that book and he ah basically says that most humans think about systems as either being. Ah, fragile or robust they're on the spectrum of fragility to robustness and so I have a Toyota Tacoma. It's considered a very robust vehicle but over time it will become more fragile. It. It will not make improvements and the same with my computer. These are systems that are truly fragile systems but the human body and he also talks about he makes a lot of comparisons between the human body and the economy is there are certain types of systems that do well with some uncertainty. So if you. If you expose your body to in exercise to novelty in small doses. You will actually see improvements and the system improves. Overall if you if you throw ah too much novelty all at once then then you start breaking the system down of course. But really separating out. How do you What's the difference between a fragile to robust system that spectrum versus something that exists outside of that which is anti-fragile system and so that's how I like to think about. |
| 05:10.34 | mikebledsoe | When I think about my finances when I think about my business when I think about my health when I think about a lot of these systems some people if they're trying to prepare for every eventuality actually end up building a fragile system instead of. Thinking about it as how do I build an anti-fragile system and when they do that having a hiccup in the system may be a little uncomfortable in the short term but in the long term It turns out being a really good one so just bringing that to the forefront as I. When I think about securing my future I think about those things. |
| 05:48.90 | Max Shank | Yeah I like to think of adaptability as the Chief characteristic of survival and Thrival which is not a word but I like to use it Anyway. Ah from a fitness perspective. Adding chaos to your training is really valuable. In fact, culture the whole purpose of culture is to reduce unpredictability and to reduce chaos and if you do not. Do something to compensate for that. You get really sad human beings. That's why you need to have games where you introduce chaos in a relatively safe environment like I don't know if you're familiar with pushing hands from TaiChi. |
| 06:43.69 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 06:45.99 | Max Shank | There's couple different types. But basically you and your friend try to push the other one or pull the other one so that they have to take a step and your feed are firmly planted and this chaos is like a more appropriate version of wrestling. For the average person. So the ability to adapt and react to an external force is really the chief characteristic of survivability. So I think adaptability number one culture is to reduce. Chaos and unpredictability so we need games and we need to dose ourselves with chaos if we want to really thrive and then just in terms of the the systems let's say there's ah, a fine line between prudence. And paranoia right? because the most the most robust system really would be to live with maybe 1 other person or a family on a farm by the river in a bomb shelter. And only leave when it's absolutely necessary so you increase your predictability but you also decrease your openness. That's probably why the further you go down that rabbit hole of securing and protecting the less creative and open and expansive. You are right. |
| 08:17.73 | mikebledsoe | Well Also Chaos is still going to find its way in going back to the black swan event is you when you create I think when people create a high level predicted Predictability. There is this inability to deal with the the chaotic and. Environment that that will come no matter what the black swan event's gonna show up no matter what and the more predictable you've been trying to make it the harder it is to adapt to that situation. |
| 08:49.54 | Max Shank | I don't think they're mutually exclusive but I understand what you're saying I think the more cards you have in your hand. The better off you are I think the benefit of living in a culture is that there's a lot of redundancy built into the system. Where I live. There are a lot of people who are electricians and plumbers and auto mechanics. So if one of them goes down I can go on to the next one if 2 of them go down I can go on to the next one and if you're relying only on yourself. You have to. Gain a ton of skills or you have to live in a very primitive way where you're not really able to use technology I just had my laptop sent in to get the battery fixed and before I sent it in. |
| 09:39.38 | mikebledsoe | Drew um, did you remove all the videos of you with hookers smoking crack. |
| 09:44.65 | Max Shank | Oh no no I just have it in a secret folder. Why would I get rid of those hookers love crack some of them do ah but I looked online first before I sent it in to get fixed. And it was 75 steps to replace the battery and you can buy a kit and do all those and it was 75 steps and I was like oh my god if I mess up one of these steps I can totally destroy my whole computer. So I ended up getting it sent in and. Especially with technology you have to recognize that no man is an island and that's why you really want to have kind of a segue here a little bit you want to have a social network ah a radical rolodex. Of. Not only service people but also friends that you can count on so there's that safety net we talked about a little bit before the 3 safety nets financial fitness and friendships basically and it's so valuable. Have those relationships with different providers of service and different providers of products and it really does increase your security and survivability. |
| 11:09.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well I think about what's happening what I'm witnessing happening that continually which is ah the decentralization of things and the the format of of our our current economy. Being very capitalist I think it's going to just become more capitalist but the capitalism has allowed for a lot of that redundancy a lot of that the natural configuration if somebody goes down somebody will fill that spot and it doesn't have to be ah. Decided to buy a person's like oh we need to change this thing the system pretty much just adapts to whatever's going on in the environment in a capitalist society and as things decentralized more right now. It's like everybody is trading with everybody. But if we have a currency that is no. That not everyone agrees on in the future if if the dollar loses its value to a point where now we're going into decentralized currencies then there's this potential for a more tribalist type of society where you may not be conducting commerce. With certain groups of people and I think there's going to be an opportunity for these groups to segment and now I'm only go do business with people who are using these four currencies which I also use because the people that use these currencies share the same values and so whereas. Previously things were done geographically or by nationality things are now split up by individual values and and can be distributed throughout the entire world instantaneously and so I think that as far as the friendship goes and. Ah, social goes and economics go is having um you know if things deteriorate socially in in society as as it seems they they may go right now. It's good to make those friends have that person on board. You know have. 3 electricians on board have a few farmers that you're in contact with because the way that things have been done right now is there's a lot of single points of failure. For instance, you know through regulation Usda. You know you have to have a Usda butcher butchering the meat for it to be shipped across state lines and now you have these states that have almost no ability to birch butcher animals and distribute food and so ah, there's gonna be I think that there's gonna be a time where we. |
| 13:56.25 | mikebledsoe | We actually have to create our own network instead of just relying on I'll just go to the grocery store and pick this shit up and I've already begun doing that I've been on the phone with a woman just last week where we she she's in contact with regenerative farms and and it's helping distribute those goods locally. So. It's I think that yeah being able to just go online and pull up a technician to do this or that may become more difficult in the future and I think that the level of responsibility for having to create those connections yourself may go up. |
| 14:33.99 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean unfortunately the closer you get to the barter system the less comparative advantage you have because you have to have an agreed upon currency. That's the whole advantage of money. |
| 14:49.46 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 14:52.87 | Max Shank | Is that it makes it so easy to trade Things. We would never have been able to produce computers and yachts and trucks and all these crazy things like if you think about it I'm in shock when I. Drive my truck around because of how impossible it would be for me to make anything like that. Even if I knew exactly how to make it and what that's that's what I'm That's what I'm saying it would be. |
| 15:21.40 | mikebledsoe | I would totally not make it I could have every step laid out and be given all the parts still not doing it. Yeah. |
| 15:29.63 | Max Shank | It would be impossible just to gather. The materials would be Impossible. So The fact that we figured out how to trade with each other in such a hyper efficient way is the only thing that has allowed us to do all that so you know it. It's frustrating sometimes because the only thing a leader really needs to do is not fuck up the money and not get into any ah Wars or conflicts. That's actually the only thing a leader really needs to do ah and if you do those things though. |
| 15:58.47 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 16:07.37 | Max Shank | It gets really bad so preparing for those eventualities is valuable I think gosh you know we can start getting into the nuts and bolts of preparedness. Certainly it's good to own at least. 1 property because you got to live somewhere and as the money devalues because we don't know if it'll be hyperinflation or stagflation or we we can't predict those sorts of things. |
| 16:43.68 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the the the variables that are currently present have never been present before we we are in a black swan event. So we have no idea what the result will be. |
| 16:44.26 | Max Shank | But rents. |
| 16:53.11 | Max Shank | Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen next exactly. But it's good to have an Id in your mind just have your best guess because I think we've talked about it once before it's like buying Insurance. You don't ah buy insurance for. Everything you just buy insurance based on what is legally required or based on what probability you assign to a certain thing happening right? So What is the probability that the value of a dollar or you know let's say that just a. Keep it simple suddenly a gallon of gas is $200 and you're like whoa. This is really bad but then you have to in your mind assign a probability to that. Oh and a certain timeframe and it gets very difficult to do those things. So. |
| 17:43.75 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 17:50.99 | Max Shank | Barring that which is unknowable. What do we know for sure that will not change and that is human nature will not change and so if you are productive yourself and you provide a skill or a service or a product that people will always want. That's always going to be very valuable so that's like your your functional safety net. What function do you perform. |
| 18:15.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I I think about the 2 things that that I am I do I was talking to Ashley about this Saturday which is I secure my future by continually creating value and investing in emerging economies or emerging. Technologies and if I do those 2 things I'm not really that worried about my financial future now the other the other the 2 other f's we were talking about It's not relevant as relevant to that I mean the creating value is pretty relevant to the the. The friendships the social piece because if you're valuable people will want to be your friend. |
| 18:53.24 | Max Shank | Is. |
| 18:59.80 | Max Shank | No question I think that having a group of people that you can be open and honest with who have your back and you have their back. You can't really put a price on that. So. It's good to nurture those things on a regular basis. That's really not natural for me to do I tend to be more in my own head working on projects and not really think to just reach out to people but it's something that I've gotten a little bit better with and it makes a difference. You know invite a friend out to lunch or throw a frisbee around and it can go a really long way, especially given what's going on right now where people have probably been socializing less than ever in Maybe any society for a very long Time. You know. I Guess ah neighboring Hunter gatherers probably socialized with ah their neighbors less than we do, but it's It's not a lot so reinforcing Those relationships is huge. |
| 20:04.52 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and they didn't have ah well what? what's interesting is in the last couple years. The amount of actual social interactions gone way down, but the but the we'll call it the the fast food of. |
| 20:19.55 | Max Shank | Basement. |
| 20:24.36 | mikebledsoe | Social engagement has gone up. You know the Facebook instagram all the social media platforms. So I remember I was listening to a thing that what's his name. The guy the dilbert guy. What's his name Scott Adams he was talking a guy anyways. Um. |
| 20:34.87 | Max Shank | Scott Adams |
| 20:43.28 | mikebledsoe | Brilliant in some ways not in others but he he was talking. Yeah come on now I Well he would. |
| 20:46.30 | Max Shank | Not like you. You're brilliant in every way wait but real quick though he has an excellent Youtube video on writing just and the reason I'm plugging. It is. It's free. It's maybe a half hour long and writing. Or communication is one of the most high yield skills. There is so give give that a look in terms of securing your future. |
| 21:08.12 | mikebledsoe | It is yeah writing copywriting if you can write copy that is just you're able to write things that cause people to buy shit then you'll never go hungry. Ah yeah, so. |
| 21:23.89 | Max Shank | No way. |
| 21:28.40 | mikebledsoe | So Scott Adams was talking about somebody was challenged saying you know social interaction has gone down. He was like really seems like you know social interaction is higher than ever online and and that's why I say maybe he's not all that smart because he was making an argument for. Being we have more social interaction we ever have which is being dictated by algorithms and and you know of course humans tend to to create their own bubbles for sure like I surround myself with light-minded people where there's not a high level of disagreement. Ah, but the. |
| 21:48.92 | Max Shank |