| 00:00.00 | mikebledsoe | Well I think we should record now then you got 2 Eight week puppies a week old puppies. Yeah, you don't seem much like ah. |
| 00:01.45 | Max Shank | Yeah,, let's do it. Puppies are great. Yeah, ah. I don't seem like a dog owner at all. And in fact, so far I have not been. |
| 00:13.52 | mikebledsoe | No. |
| 00:19.17 | mikebledsoe | What did she do to you. |
| 00:22.92 | Max Shank | Made me an offer I couldn't refuse I guess I mean it's it's funny. Um, we talk about basically on this show. We talk about benevolent selfishness not in so many words, but basically do as good for yourself as you can. Well doing good for other folks and I've never wanted to have the responsibility required but I love dogs. Someone brings a dog into the gym and I'll just play with it the whole time I'll completely ignore the people right? but. I don't know there's a really nice, beautiful connection between beings between a person and a dog and Lindsay my special lady friend. She ah she just fell in love with this dog right. And I watch the two of them together I'm like man I don't want to because Lindsay and I cohabitate so I don't want to stand in the way of that so I was like ah I guess you can have a dog and it can live at the house but outside basically and then. Within 1 trip. Um, it was put on the table like we should take her her brother also so a pair of dogs and that seemed really nice and i. Kind of started to question all the resistance I've had toward that because resistance is a funny thing. It's either the exact right thing and in fact, you should experience a lot of resistance toward stupid risky behavior ah like jumping off cliffs. With no safety equipment. It's not really a reward there. The resistance to do that is is a good thing. It's a safety mechanism but basically ah I thought it would be good to to shake things up a little bit might as well go to instead of one also is. My thanking. |
| 02:32.35 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think it's kind of like it's probably easier have 1 or 2 kids instead of 1 |
| 02:41.43 | Max Shank | It's like ah, an energy balancing thing I feel like um, it's ah, a boy and a girl puppy and of of course I'm a boy and my lady is a girl I shouldn't say of course I mean who knows I could be whatever I want to be but it's like ah it feels like a good. |
| 02:55.73 | mikebledsoe | It's right can make it up anytime you want. |
| 02:59.18 | Max Shank | Yin Yin and Yang balancing so husky pomeranian mutts they're adorable. They're the cutest dogs ever seen. Yeah, one of them is and 1 of them is not. |
| 03:00.66 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I love that what kind dogs are these. |
| 03:08.70 | mikebledsoe | Wow They probably are furry. |
| 03:17.77 | Max Shank | It's they would don't even look like they're from the same litter. |
| 03:18.69 | mikebledsoe | Ah, interesting. Yeah, we're looking to getting a dog I think we're gonna end up getting a pit. We want to get like a big tough dog and like a little tiny. Yeah and then I have like a little tiny Yipper you know. |
| 03:22.26 | Max Shank | 1 1 |
| 03:28.67 | Max Shank | Ah, defense dog. |
| 03:35.27 | Max Shank | like like fuck what's his partner's name like Lenny in of mice and men and then the little shorter smart guy kind of you know I'm talking about ah man it's like ah there are these 2 guy. |
| 03:37.24 | mikebledsoe | So. |
| 03:46.78 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 03:54.39 | Max Shank | Someone and Lenny in of mice and men anyone who's read that book and remembers it is laughing right now because Lenny is this ah mentally challenged guy and then there's the who's huge and then there's the much smaller guy who basically. Calls all the shots and Lenny's like I like to pet rabbits and you know that kind of that kind of thing so you got the big. You got the big dog bringing the muscle and then you got the the smart dog. |
| 04:13.33 | mikebledsoe | Right? Yeah, yeah, so. Exactly exactly we'll make it work. Yeah um I had an interesting weekend. The ah my my fiance and I did a little couple's Journey. So. |
| 04:25.00 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 04:38.14 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 04:40.88 | mikebledsoe | We took some special medicine. That's really good at opening the heart and creating more connection. So we had an all day experience together. Ah a variation variation which is. |
| 04:46.47 | Max Shank | Is that mdma. |
| 04:55.35 | Max Shank | Mdma is like hooking up your heart to an electrical socket. So. |
| 05:01.45 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah I took ah a variation of that slightly different. Ah it's it's better for 1 on 1 connections or connection to self if you were to take it in a big group. You would kind of find yourself being a little more hermit versus mdma. |
| 05:11.60 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 05:19.90 | mikebledsoe | Where you're going to want to you know, be friends and make love to everybody? Yeah, so um, it's yeah, but. |
| 05:20.70 | Max Shank | Love everyone? Yeah right? What a horrible drug. What a horrific side effect you, you're gonna want to love everybody ban. It. |
| 05:35.30 | mikebledsoe | Ah, it's really difficult not to love everybody? Um, but it's it's a really good experience for um, you know, even though Ashley and I have had an enormous amount of personal development work and and. Ah, communication work and all these things and and we're probably we're we're definitely in the the point zero one percent of couples on communication and yet even though we're there with sobriety. We use a substance a heart opening substance. And you know we just start digging into areas that we weren't willing to or you know I think I think that these these medicines are so um, things that are really working on the serotonin. You don't really There's there's a level of presence that you're able to stabilize for a period of time there where it allows you to get deep with somebody so beyond just the being really happy and loving There's also a heightened a much heightened level of of presence and so I got to learn a lot. Yeah, a lot of openness. So like. |
| 06:33.91 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 06:42.95 | Max Shank | Sounds like openness to yeah. |
| 06:49.50 | mikebledsoe | Like I'm open to hearing a prefer experience and she's open to sharing I'm open as open to listening. It's ah it's it goes both ways if 1 of us was using it the other unpleasant we wouldn't get nearly as far. Yeah. |
| 06:51.50 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 06:59.15 | Max Shank | Huh unless one of you was super enlightened and able to be very open on command I think that's that's why people say that comedians are modern day philosophers. Because that's ironically like None of the only people we listen to because you use humor and it drops a person's guard so it like opens them up in the here and now so they actually take it in rather than lecturing to someone where I don't know if you tried it, people don't love that they they close up. |
| 07:21.81 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so. |
| 07:29.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah now. |
| 07:34.57 | Max Shank | Real quick and so that's kind of like a bit of a psychedelic experience for someone to ah catch you off guard with the surprise of humor so much that it rocks your balance off center and so you're like whoa and you just fully like take that. That bit of information in and you know this openness and boundaries thing makes me think about ah the openness to to welcome new lives into my home. It. Ah it feels already like a psychedelic. |
| 07:53.64 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 08:06.10 | mikebledsoe | And. |
| 08:12.64 | Max Shank | I mean puppies are drugs Man are you kidding me now I'm like gonna love this thing Yo I'm like fucking rocking and rolling right now. It's insane. The fact that I've even accepted this I mean last week I would have never even considered it every time she asked I was like now I'm like I'm a. |
| 08:12.94 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah, you're gonna be high for at least six months you got it? yeah. |
| 08:32.27 | Max Shank | I'm a cat I'm a cool cat I'm a fat cat I'm a fucking cat I don't want any other things around I don't want to love anything else. That's why I told her I was like I don't want to love anything else, but it can happen really fast and that openness right? So what you're saying. |
| 08:41.16 | mikebledsoe | A Ah yeah. |
| 08:51.30 | Max Shank | With the medicine which is ah an exogenous substance. Basically that's taking you to that level of openness that is required for let's just call it complete communication where there's no like. Coversion right? oh. |
| 09:10.10 | mikebledsoe | About as complete as you're going to be able to get I mean if there's another more complete way I would love to be you know, be with that. But um, what we so fast. Well here's the thing is like I'm willing to share a lot of things. |
| 09:20.62 | Max Shank | So fast too. |
| 09:28.97 | mikebledsoe | Because I have some of the things I haven't shared up to this point because I'm afraid of how she'll receive. She'll receive it and when I'm having that experience and feeling this way I'm like well if she were to share if I were gonna were to share something that's triggering now's the time to do it because this't gonna be she. |
| 09:33.90 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 09:42.40 | Max Shank | Wait till after you get married man. Forget it. |
| 09:46.60 | mikebledsoe | Is when she's gonna be the most open. |
| 09:51.39 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so we had a nice time. It created a lot of closeness. Um and gave us like a really clear vision of where we're currently standing and where we want to go together and. |
| 09:52.88 | Max Shank | Ah, just put it off till later. It'll be. It'll be fine. |
| 10:00.45 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 10:08.66 | Max Shank | Whom. |
| 10:10.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it was really really beautiful and I mentioned all this because it brought up because I know you and I like to have create distinction and we like to look at the juxtaposition of 2 things and the contrast of things and her and I both really care about. |
| 10:29.40 | Max Shank | E f. |
| 10:29.94 | mikebledsoe | People right? and we really care about helping people and being of service to people I know you are too and None of the the differentiating factors between how it expresses between her and me which I think expresses similarly amongst a lot of men and women. Is. She tends to really focus in on the individual like how do I how do I help this individual heal or how do I help this individual. You know, live out their best life and all that and whereas I'm much more concerned about humanity as a whole. |
| 10:56.12 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 11:02.77 | Max Shank | Move. |
| 11:08.39 | Max Shank | Totally. |
| 11:08.76 | mikebledsoe | How does how are how a society can benefit from how this person is behaving and so what's that what? well yeah, it's. |
| 11:15.53 | Max Shank | I can relate I can relate. It's a bit grandiose isn't it I can absolutely relate the that desire ah for for like it's so exactly me too. It's a big difference of scope. |
| 11:26.81 | mikebledsoe | Well well, that's where I'm making decisions from it's it's you know like I want to help this person but I'm not going to sacrifice the people around them in order for them to get what they need like they I want them to show up in a way that's good for everybody. Not just for themselves. |
| 11:35.94 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 11:43.53 | Max Shank | Oh interesting I I took it to mean like she enjoys helping people 1 on one and you have this vision of being broadly beneficial to you know None or None or something like that. Oh. |
| 11:58.39 | mikebledsoe | No, no yeah I think that's I think that's also true. Um, but yeah, my my desire to help there I used to have the desire to help millions of people and and I know I've touched maybe close to that I don't know. |
| 12:03.20 | Max Shank | Misunderstood. |
| 12:16.21 | mikebledsoe | Ah, with with some type of message. |
| 12:18.77 | Max Shank | Depends if you count ricochets which I do and then and then like you've probably affected like a billion people right? I count ricochets. Ah. |
| 12:23.10 | mikebledsoe | Totally totally Rick let's count Ricoche's here I'm going to keep that one. Yeah, ah. |
| 12:31.23 | Max Shank | Ah, me too that was good that was like a little easter egg for us today. |
| 12:37.11 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so um, ah so I think that men and this isn't you know there are no absolutes here. But I think men in general probably think about humanity as a whole and and women think about the individual and that's probably why women are. Going to be much more compassionate to a single person having that's down on their luck versus a man who's more like you know we need to clean up the streets. You know we look at the we have ah a homeless population in Austin Texas which is um, improving. It's getting smaller because. |
| 13:12.25 | Max Shank | Wow. |
| 13:15.21 | mikebledsoe | The citizens of Austin got together and voted a little over a year ago to create a camping in the city ban. Um, because years ago the the city decided to make it where people could camp in the city which created. |
| 13:29.17 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 13:32.37 | mikebledsoe | Ah, tent you know several tent cities around town that were just insane and and there's still an issue but you know like we're in the car regularly and these people are on something that's causing them to scream at people that don't exist on the street while holding a sign to try to get. |
| 13:33.78 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 13:51.88 | mikebledsoe | You to hand them money and um, it's you know and she's like well you know can we help this one person and I'm looking around going. How do we clean this shit up because like you know how much how much do you give this person. |
| 14:00.40 | Max Shank | Who. |
| 14:11.52 | mikebledsoe | Over time. How much help do you give them before you say look We just gotta push you to the outskirts. We don't know what to do with you like you are your responsibility and you're causing problems for other people so where is that line where we're sacrificing the whole we're sacrificing you know. |
| 14:18.54 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 14:28.59 | mikebledsoe | Many individuals because 1 individual can't get their shit together and it's um so it's it's very interesting to me. Yeah, it's just an interesting place to be is because I I what I'm seeing is if I care about humanity then I have to. Ah. |
| 14:31.95 | Max Shank | Totally. |
| 14:47.89 | mikebledsoe | The the best place for human the thing that creates the best place for humanity as a whole is when if each each individual is taking on personal responsibility and so. |
| 14:55.80 | Max Shank | You see that as just the best option was that the word used. Yeah. |
| 15:02.36 | mikebledsoe | It's probably optimal like if if humanity as a whole is going to flourish that would only happen under the circumstance of every individual taking personal responsibility. But what we have is a lot of people caring about. |
| 15:12.41 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 15:18.71 | mikebledsoe | You know the feelings of 1 person and trying to get everybody around them to mold to what they desire sacrificing 20 people to make one person happy. It's very interesting. |
| 15:26.49 | Max Shank | Ah, right? Well, it's all about it's all about so our our ah species is the the compassionate caring species now. We're still savage animals like a lizard dinosaur. Ah, baboon right? But we have this super high level of compassion which is the only reason ah and desire for connection emotionally and intellectually which is why people painted on cave walls. And left their handprints. There. There's no reason to do that unless you want another person to see it this desire to like leave your Mark and be part of the tribe and sustain and so that's also very easily leveraged to make absolute bad choices. But ah comparative good choices and it relates back to what we were talking about I think ah, it made me think of ah self versus system and I'm also very much system oriented like I it's hard for me to pick something specific to care about. Because the first thing I do is I see how it's connected to a none other things like like world hunger I always come back to this I'm like how is that even possible world hunger is impossible unless you're fucking with the ecosystem. You know what? I mean. |
| 16:56.77 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 16:58.60 | Max Shank | Like there's the right amount of creatures for a certain area or they overeat and then they under reproduce and it like has this normal recycling effect. So if you look at the big system. Totally so the difference between looking at an individual. |
| 17:07.50 | mikebledsoe | Ah, the the planet is abundant with food. |
| 17:17.80 | Max Shank | Person versus the system I mean look it's not good when someone shoots up a school. Let me be clear I don't think it's good when someone shoots up a school I think it's bad just so there's no confusion here but all but also um, like. |
| 17:28.54 | mikebledsoe | Okay, okay. |
| 17:36.28 | Max Shank | Let's just shut the fuck up like it becomes such a hot button story but it's such a low amount of the whole system right? So now we're like a fraction of a fraction I mean you could do the math like what's I'm not trying to. |
| 17:45.62 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 17:54.53 | Max Shank | Make light of the situation right? But it's None out of 350000000 people when you know a none are dying of diarrhea or something like that. It's like or fucking mosquitoes are taken out way more people than depressed teenagers with firearms. And so it's like we really don't it's so rare to see people think in systems because ironically the system itself is just taking people on a wave where they care about None thing at a time but they care about it with their whole heart. And they use none of their brain to think about the system at play here and they're like I care about Ukraine this month I care about George Floyd this month I care about police brutality this month or ooh I'm suddenly interested in Afghanistan again because they told me to be like what. What the fuck man I get it. |
| 18:50.75 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well, it's very and it is very interesting because I I don't know if it's just because I'm paying attention in a different way or things are actually have actually sped up the. The news cycle is perfectly paced to keep people distracted and if you try to stick with I'm like Afghanistan right? The Afghanistan issue went on the Afghanistan issue went on way longer than it was reported to have gone on. Ah. |
| 19:13.33 | Max Shank | Yeah, a trillion miles an hour |
| 19:26.83 | mikebledsoe | News about ukraine is dying off actually a lot of the news is now turning into the Ukrainian troops are are you know hiding in civilians' homes and Civilians are getting killed and they're they're breaking international law. But then the. The journalists are kind of like softening it Up. It's like yeah but they kind of have to and it's like no, that's fucking Illegal. Um. |
| 19:48.42 | Max Shank | Um, there's a huge reason like it's so good to just look through an abbreviated version of the amendments like 1 of the None rules is no fucking troops can stay at your house and like these people were smart. |
| 19:55.77 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and that's a Us thing but that's also an international thing. |
| 20:05.91 | Max Shank | I Mean these people were smart putting these rules together. So there's there's a reason and and you said it here's how it ah shakes out right? yeah. |
| 20:12.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, things degrade and when troops starts staying in homes and ah you know their job is to protect the population and now they're just putting the population in danger so that the gangsters in charge can win. And yeah. |
| 20:29.70 | Max Shank | Martial law mob mob rule. |
| 20:31.51 | mikebledsoe | And so yeah, and you know people are just jumping from None thing to another so I'm just pointing out in that news cycle. How like things have to shift in order to keep people distracted and you're right? It keeps them from thinking about the whole system. It keeps them from thinking about. Like why are we always in some type of pickle like the amount of like the fear cycle is just insane and um, you know I don't really? ah. |
| 21:00.27 | Max Shank | Because it pays because it because it pays I mean all of this is related to what you said about people making decisions on an individual basis. I mean it's very possible to run a tight ship as a dictator right? but. It doesn't rebalance as quickly or easily as when we're all just adjusting to the natural rhythms right? You vote with what you pay attention to you vote with your dollars you vote with who you spend time with and if you're always. |
| 21:27.14 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 21:36.45 | mikebledsoe | It's ah it's a slower. It's a slower and smoother evolution for everybody the the centralized decision making can be very herky jerky it can it can create whiplash and often does. |
| 21:42.81 | Max Shank | Yeah, oh no. |
| 21:52.15 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, they get results quickly but how much harm is done in the process when when you're decentralizing the decision making like you're talking about it definitely creates slower reaction times but they're usually safer there. Any Danger is. Isolated to a single area and isn't replicated amongst the entire system and um people have a higher level autonomy which means that people are also experiencing the feedback of their behavior in a much tighter system that allows them to become you know, attain more knowledge and wisdom. |
| 22:13.19 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 22:28.26 | Max Shank | O. |
| 22:29.87 | mikebledsoe | Ah, without being robbed of that by having their decision making diffused over the entire population. |
| 22:35.22 | Max Shank | Yeah I really think of it like a shock absorber. Basically ah, it just has more ah more little shock absorbers rather than just 1 linchpin where one guy is calling all the shots and of course it's always the guy who. |
| 22:38.99 | mikebledsoe | E. |
| 22:52.93 | Max Shank | Desperately wants the big chair and the big stick which coincidentally is the only person who should be disqualified from that position entirely It's just like it's good to remember with all this stuff. It. It is just mob rule based on a popularity contest. Like that's crazy. So I think it's um, maximizing attention but minimizing action. So if you have a news cycle. That's so quickly. Um with writers who know what fucking sets your ah heart and balls aflame ah they're going to. Use the software to even readjust and so there always have something that is commanding a tremendous amount of your attention but they'll never um, give you time to do any action about it. So you you have like None attention and zero percent action which is good if you're. Meditating about your unity with the universe but it's pretty shit if you're like watching people get murdered and bombed and. |
| 23:58.29 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well I think this puts us in a very precarious situation. So um I think you and I both agree that that the United States as far as a group of people is probably the most advanced. Um, the plan is I say the largest group that's the most advanced politically government wise. It's a big you know 33350000000 people are all participating in a yeah for this. |
| 24:20.30 | Max Shank | That's such a huge group. Yeah I would say it has the best infrastructure for the most part. |
| 24:33.36 | mikebledsoe | You know, a lot of times people like to compare what's happening like the Netherlands to here or Denmark. It's like it's like those people have like ah like less than 10000000 people in the entire country. We have 330000000 this is a different. It's a different situation. Um. |
| 24:36.20 | Max Shank | Or Norway Norway. Yeah, right. Right. |
| 24:50.70 | mikebledsoe | But you know just just the fact that our country is based on on a philosophical these philosophical concepts of natural law. You know puts us ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. Um the expression of that. Yeah, so. |
| 25:00.79 | Max Shank | And it makes it more difficult. It makes it more difficult because it's a bit of a fractured culture Also like I think one of the things that I think that's why I interrupted you. It's so important I think I shouldn't do it anyway. But it's so important to recognize that. |
| 25:11.63 | mikebledsoe | In. |
| 25:18.98 | Max Shank | In America. The only thing that united us was a desire for freedom to manifest your own destiny now if that includes you know some native genocide then I think we were basically okay with that at the time not now. But at the time that was okay. But so that's the unifying idea but we don't have a culture like let's say Norway or let's say Japan some examples that I think of off the top my head where that there are so many things that are done that are not done because it's the law. Or even because it's profitable. It's done because that's what that culture does and that sort of unity makes things run way more smoothly. |
| 26:00.68 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. Yeah, well and everything comes down to narrative and so what we have in the United States is you know Ah the United States was like the beginning of the decentralization of of power of personal response. Of responsibility. It's a decentralizing of that and it's just continued to decentralize decentralized decentralize and what's happened now is there's been a decentralization of narrative and we have you know human beings for none of years grew up in a. With a lot fewer people a lot fewer interactions. We're exposed to way fewer narratives and variations of that narrative and if you go to somewhere like China or Russia I guarantee you that narrative is pretty fucking tight. There's not a lot of variation from. Whatever the top is telling the bottom and it creates a lot of unity like if everybody were buying into the same narrative. This is what hitler was able to achieve you know at the the early years he unified everybody with a common narrative. |
| 27:02.67 | Max Shank | Ah, right. |
| 27:10.45 | Max Shank | Totally f. |
| 27:19.96 | mikebledsoe | And everything went pretty well until you know he took control of all those people's minds and decided to take it sideways. But this I think a lot of people you know, either consciously or subconsciously are. Upset and I imagine a lot of people in these government agencies with ah a lot of these Intel agencies think that it's their job to create a common narrative to unify everybody even if it is reducing things like freedom of Speech. Um, and we know that by reducing things like freedom of speech that just leads to tyranny. Yeah. |
| 27:58.62 | Max Shank | The ends justify the means the ends justify the means I mean whenever you get someone with a grandiose idea like that Hitler Napoleon whatever it doesn't matter. They will. That's why I think orwell said it was the most dangerous type of guy because they think they're. Ah, justified in what they're doing. They think they're the hero so they'll commit atrocities thinking that they're the good guy and then there's no way to work them out of that idea and they think oh god that's why you know with everything happening I'm i. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some really clever people. Ah for good reasons were like we need the world to stop working the way it does because if they believe a story that we are destroying ourselves and the world. Um, you know 7000000000 people plus this giant. Ah, ball or disc. You're on depending on what people are thinking now. Ah the turtle show. Yeah, it's half. It's a half dome. That's a great place to visit by the way half down in Yosemite. Beautiful 10 out of 10 recommend but I would. |
| 29:00.32 | mikebledsoe | The turtle show. Um, if. |
| 29:15.37 | Max Shank | I could totally get it especially as a systems thinker if I could push a button right now and murder 1000000 people and it guaranteed utopia for the remaining ah billions I would be an asshole not to do it almost right? So if you have that belief. |
| 29:30.59 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 29:34.92 | Max Shank | You're like I gotta fucking rape and kill these people for for for the greater good and whenever you hear greater good that that should be like if you hear the word greater Good rest assured you're gonna be bleeding from the Asshole soon. Either literally or metaphorically. |
| 29:53.00 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, so it it becomes concerning because I think that even though America and the ideals that it was founded on is create a situation where we have decentralized narratives and. And infinite narratives and variations of those narratives I mean you've got on. Um one side you've got say something like mainstream media and on the other side you have q and on and q and on is putting out None narrative and in ah in a very convincing way the mainstream. Media is putting out ah narratives and neither one of them are correct and both of them are probably just as far from the truth as the other one is and but then you have all these other variations and ah. |
| 30:42.90 | Max Shank | It might be the truth from their perspective by the way like it might be false information but they might believe what they're saying which means they're telling the truth but they're telling a falsehood. Also. |
| 30:50.85 | mikebledsoe | Of course. Yeah well I mean I like to define truth is just what has happened and what is happening and people's ideas or perceptions about the truth are are not the truth. |
| 31:06.59 | Max Shank | I call that a fact good hard hard to have 1 You can't have a complete one either. That's the problem. |
| 31:08.86 | mikebledsoe | So yeah, there you go? Yeah very few people have any facts. Um, yeah. Ah, yeah, so we we we were're in this really strange predicament predicament as americans and what triggered this thought for me was ah the other day China basically cut off like none of. Communication and interaction with the United States and basically said we're not going to participate in our military is communicating and all this stuff. This was ah Friday and I was like oh oh I've been in conflicts before and when one side goes. |
| 31:46.80 | Max Shank | How exciting. |
| 31:55.77 | mikebledsoe | Silent That's bad juju that's like everybody contracts everybody starts preparing everyone starts wondering who's going to strike first. These are these are these are the thoughts that run across people who are in conflict so people in the military. What do you think. |
| 32:07.40 | Max Shank | Winding up. |
| 32:11.66 | Max Shank | Move. |
| 32:14.71 | mikebledsoe | China Goes silent. What do you think the American military does fucking getting ready just relaxing launch hairs. Yeah yeah, so yeah, just give some space I need some space. Ah but I get thinking about it and I go Wow I look at um, ah. |
| 32:16.51 | Max Shank | Probably just just relaxes. No big deal. Yeah, they're fine. Give give them time. Give them some space. |
| 32:34.64 | mikebledsoe | You know if you go to say Ukraine right now like there's not a lot of slobs hanging around Ukraine or Russia there there might be some drunks but there's not a bunch of so weak slobs and you come. |
| 32:46.21 | Max Shank | Well, they're not a lot of weak people because they just can't be I don't know what you mean by slob but I definitely agree that if you're in an environment that doesn't permit it. It's kind of like that idea about world hunger like if you're in a place you're eating if you're in a really harsh dangerous place. You're tough and you're eating or you're dead. It's like when ah when that Ufc guy. Ah Kabib you remember him and I remember I was just watching because he was like trained in the mountains by his dad who was like a fourth generation. Wrestler. |
| 33:05.10 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so like. |
| 33:24.61 | Max Shank | You know and he's just like running up a mountain with boulders when he's like 4 meanwhile you know you could have someone who's raised in Orange County and who's like you know I think I'm going to get into some kickboxing or something like that and they might meet in the same place like in the cage. That's just funny to me. |
| 33:36.98 | mikebledsoe | Right. Yeah, no, no and and depending on the sport you know 3 minute rounds the orange county guy might do all right? but I bet if he took it to 20 minute rounds you know we're in a different. |
| 33:44.26 | Max Shank | They're like not the same creature. Basically. |
| 33:57.22 | Max Shank | Right? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like ah rocky versus Ivan Draggo also right rocky is just training in the barn with big hunks of wood and the other drawgo in the science lab getting injected with stuff and there's like a. |
| 34:00.73 | mikebledsoe | In a different place. So ah, yeah, yeah. |
| 34:13.37 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, typical russian. |
| 34:17.10 | Max Shank | Super computer on the on the wall. Yeah is awesome. |
| 34:20.54 | mikebledsoe | Um, did you ever watch ah was it icarus the documentary on the russians doping program. It's really good. It's really good. You should check it out. It's on Netflix. So. |
| 34:29.57 | Max Shank | Now sounds amazing. |
| 34:38.22 | mikebledsoe | So I look at this and I and I look around in the United States and I'm I'm thinking I mean you and I both have been trying to help these people you know, get their shit together and there's a lot of people that need to get their shit together or it would would it be better for the rest of us if they got their shit together. |
| 34:56.73 | Max Shank | Who are we talking about now just people. |
| 34:57.23 | mikebledsoe | And um, you know if they did something you know people who think that they're doing their duty by getting a vaccine instead of just taking care of their health. Overall so a lot of fats. There's a lot of slobs getting ah vaccinations instead of just. |
| 35:03.77 | Max Shank | Oh shots fired folks to totally. |
| 35:17.10 | mikebledsoe | Creating some type of interest about their overall health or learning about how their body works. So. |
| 35:20.26 | Max Shank | Yo that that's a shocking funny thing I mean it's tragic also like I never hear I got to get this out though I never hear ads anywhere but I clicked on the radio because I didn't have my like. Ah, phone on Bluetooth It's it when it whatever I'm listening to the radio. |
| 35:38.42 | mikebledsoe | He's poor folks easy listening radio. |
| 35:42.69 | Max Shank | Ah, and I heard like a fucking a fucking jingle like a little jingle song about how you should get your kids this shot and it's like yo what the fuck I'm I'm just I'm listening to this I'm like are you fucking kidding me. Like how how is this it it sounded like I was listening to mother Goose Barney on sesame street talking about how you should you know fucking inject your None ar old with this experiment for for what the fuck and. Bet a lot of people do that and that thought made me really sad that thought made me really sad because I was like what no don't and and I realize that is what's happening. |
| 36:24.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 36:31.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, was I think they created laws where like um, serial companies can't make can't target kids with like cartoon advertising. They basically can't advertise sugar cereal to kids anymore. |
| 36:45.97 | Max Shank | Yep. |
| 36:50.65 | mikebledsoe | But they're doing it with pharmaceuticals which is fucking insane. |
| 36:52.98 | Max Shank | Why can we advertise pharmaceutical I mean I'm a hardcore capitalist when I get right down to it. But Jesus Christ like that. But then again, then again you I still have that strong belief that the customer is always right? So it's not too. Ah. Like fight against these companies. It's to illuminate and like help people understand how to apply some logic and I think a big part of it actually relates back to the openness that you and I were talking about you have to be open to not know what's going on to be. To be wrong and you have to be open to the idea that the people who are in charge of both countries and companies may not in fact, be having your best interest at heart. So you got to use your critical thinking a little bit. |
| 37:48.93 | mikebledsoe | It's the only thing you have that's gonna that's gonna help you out like you can't rely on other people. Um well going to like ah I'm with you on the whole like you know both by the us being capitalists and that we believe in. Voluntary interaction between individuals and that means if someone is going to create and make a drug then I have every right to purchase that from them and there's no one has the right to get between the None of us on creating that transaction and here's the thing is with the. Pharmaceutical companies in the us. Yes, ah the us and New Zealand I think are the only None countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise at a citizens through media and the rest of the countries don't but here's the thing is not only have they allowed that to happen. Which I think that people should be able to run an ad for anything they want ah but they have also cornered the market. There's an entire agency from the government called the Dea who harass people who are and kill and and jail people. |
| 38:47.82 | Max Shank | Agreed agreed. |
| 39:01.64 | mikebledsoe | Who are selling drugs that they don't think should be sold and so you have an entire agency that their job is to squash out anything. That's not the pharmaceutical companies. So the pharmaceutical companies have leveraged the violence of government. While also creating deals to be able to market. So. It's a double whammy if you were to say okay, we're going to open up the entire market and everyone can advertise like if I want to advertise my cocaine if I want to advertise whatever it is you know or Lipitor or whatever it is. And that would actually cause people at least should cause people to to activate their critical thinking because now they have to go? Well, what's the difference between these two things and ah. Because right now they think the difference between those 2 things is None is safe and None is not safe and it's not safe or safe based on what somebody else thinks so they don't even think about they don't even think to do the research on it and so there's um so going to. Should people be able to advertise I say yes and we should do away with some people getting preferential treatment from the government that that is giving some people more rights than others. |
| 40:27.39 | Max Shank | Agreed and here's how I'm gonna tie it back to what we were discussing about openness and relationships and your experience. So there's this concept of nonviolent communication right? where you're not um. |
| 40:42.55 | mikebledsoe | In. |
| 40:46.64 | Max Shank | You're not an opponent.. You're a collaborator and in a country or a nation or a state of some kind. Ah they have a system of laws and the law is basically when the violence comes out. So imagine if you're in a relationship. And you have to use the threat of violence to control this party all the time that it's basically like the more you have to use the stick the more fucked you basically are you really shouldn't have to enforce. That many things with violence but ah, nothing is more effective. Certainly imagine if like every discussion you got into with a romantic partner. You were like blah blah blah. |
| 41:34.21 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 41:43.48 | Max Shank | Or I'll fucking beat you Yo I've never hit a woman unless she asked me to however, ah, there's like I would win easy in a in a in a fight. Of some kind if that was possible to just be like hey I say this goes or I will beat you like of course if you don't have any critical thinking. You'll just do that every time but it's pretty asshole move. But that's what law is it's like fucking do this or. |
| 42:17.38 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 42:21.47 | Max Shank | We will Imprison you or kill you or what the fuck ever and the irony is that it's all of the people who hide away from society the most who are voting the people in to control the people that they're. Afraid of because they're a little too free right? ooh that person might do a bad thing. We need more drugs off the streets. They got to stop with those violent video games. It's like fucking busybodies across the board. But ah you, um, you mentioned a good. |
| 42:40.31 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 42:58.20 | Max Shank | Ah, tonic for that realization which is to recognize that there's there's really no such thing as law. It's just consequences right? You do whatever you want? You know you're 100% free to do what you want all the time and there are just consequences right? I find that. |
| 43:14.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, like. |
| 43:17.71 | Max Shank | Find that a very ah, comfortable way to live and it's also very accepting too because then you go everyone else is always free to do as they like and talk about the burden. That's off your shoulders because look these people these busybodies These are not happy people. |
| 43:35.29 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 43:37.17 | Max Shank | These might be the most ah mentally ah tortured people ever because they have all this attention. They have no action within their own lives and they're just trying to gain control by leveraging the violence. Of a more powerful entity right? So They're not powerful themselves. They're just trying to diminish everyone else because they're always afraid that someone might do something that that's not a happy person. That's that's no way to go. You know we got Avoidance. We got exposure right. |
| 44:08.57 | mikebledsoe | Okay, now. |
| 44:16.98 | Max Shank | Avoidance is a path that only leads you to an underground bunker where you are in complete control of the environment. But also you're completely trapped complete exposure is you just have no discernment so you probably walk off of a cliff or get eaten by a tiger or what the fuck ever. But. Um I think part of what makes the slobs or the weak people is they engage in a little too much avoidance and not enough exposure. |
| 44:44.97 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, agree. |
| 44:51.78 | mikebledsoe | Out of thought that I lost but it'll come now we talked about um, rejection or acceptance tolerant. Yeah. |
| 44:54.27 | Max Shank | Is it about openness and acceptance we talked about that last week right the difference between tolerance. Yeah I mean it's this is a perfect example of that. |
| 45:09.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I. |
| 45:18.82 | Max Shank | Comes come. |
| 45:19.49 | mikebledsoe | This this cuts out the pauses. That's okay, if we pause. |
| 45:25.12 | Max Shank | In my normal life I do way more and longer pauses than on a podcast. |
| 45:33.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 45:38.96 | Max Shank | Also have a different agenda. |
| 45:50.20 | Max Shank | So what did you learn from your experience the one you were telling me about. Yeah. |
| 45:53.33 | mikebledsoe | Which one with my lady. Um I learned a lot I learned that you know we we we we. Did a question prompt which was tell me a story I wrote it up on a chalkboard tell me a story about a time you felt fulfilled and then just kept asking each other about stories of fulfillment and looking for patterns and so. |
| 46:22.51 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 46:28.61 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 46:31.46 | mikebledsoe | Um, was like oh okay I see a pattern of fulfillment for myself I see a pattern of fulfillment for her. It's like okay if we want to experience more fulfillment moving forward. We should probably do things that are similar to what made us fulfilled in the past and. |
| 46:47.95 | Max Shank | A. |
| 46:50.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's definitely patterns of that that was that was really cool to dive into you don't have to take anything to answer these questions or journal about that. But um, it does help and so that was really really beautiful. |
| 46:58.46 | Max Shank | A. |
| 47:07.76 | mikebledsoe | None of the things I want to I want to cut back over to is my concern and ah, we're kind of jumping back and forth. But my concern is we have ah an entire country of people who. Can't agree on a single narrative or even 2 or 3 narratives and then you have countries like Russia and China who have that single narrative and even though we may be because society progresses and as the pendulum swings between organization and chaos. |
| 47:42.21 | Max Shank | Boom. |
| 47:44.24 | mikebledsoe | Definitely in a chaotic place and when we're experiencing chaos. It's a great time for someone else who's experiencing organization to take advantage of the people who are in chaos. So that's my one concern is even though we're we are advancing. We are weak during the advancement and um, you know when I heard the news that China Cut Off Communications I was like ah you know I've never seen the country more divided what a what a perfect time to. |
| 48:14.98 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 48:20.50 | mikebledsoe | To pull out more tricks. |
| 48:21.19 | Max Shank | So when you say concern. Ah, that's like ah low grade fear perhaps of something specific ah happening because of that lack of open and ah. |
| 48:40.71 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, absolutely got it? Yeah yeah, yeah. |
| 48:41.80 | Max Shank | Congruent communication. So you're concerned maybe about like war. Yeah yeah, War is not that Cool. You know how earlier I was like really anti-school Shootings I'm also very anti-war. I Know it's a bold stance to take. |
| 49:03.89 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, Wars Funny man. It's just um, people just not getting along people people wanting to rule over ah over other people is what it comes down to. |
| 49:16.50 | Max Shank | You know one of the one of the most consistent thoughts I've had is like you know when you're a kid at least in my experience when you're a kid and you see None people fighting and you know there's no need for them to be fighting. Like you have this perspective where them fighting is retarded. It's stupid. There's no need for it. You know you have this unique perspective where you can see what each of them want but neither of them can see what they want. Like they're just blinded in this like cloud of dust and one of the most prevailing thoughts I've had as an adult has been this. This is just ah, a failure to communicate everybody needs to just settle down like relax. We all want basically the same thing but it's it's so surprising. That's the most lasting idea it just seems so unnecessary for people to speak to each other with such venom and it seems like. All these disagreements are basically manufactured. Um, yeah, it's ah I used to get really sad about that honestly and now I I kind of like that. Ah, that quote that ends up. Where you try to change your nation realize you can't try to change your city realize you can't try to change your family realize you can't try to change yourself and you're like man if only I'd done this sooner. It would have had that ricochet effect on out and ah. Mentioned in the past how the the distance between your zone of awareness and zone of control is like your feeling of powerlessness. So if you're aware of like a thousand problems globally which is like I don't know whatever. Twenty Thousand Miles Pi are cubed or squared or some shit like that I don't fucking know I don't I don't remember surface area of a sphere right now but your control area is very small. It's like five feet versus you know. None of Square Miles |
| 51:45.30 | mikebledsoe | Totally I've um, I've been experiencing like the the most grounded groundedness I've had in my entire life the last year and a half I just get more and more grounded and one of the results of getting more and more grounded is. Getting much more in touch with that reality of the only thing I can change is me and ah mikeness. Yeah, yeah, well because before I was had some grandiose thoughts about how I could make a. |
| 52:04.85 | Max Shank | Of this. |
| 52:13.78 | Max Shank | It's an it's a type of accept acceptance I think. |
| 52:23.55 | mikebledsoe | You know, a really big impact by you know, being really influential and and you know having a lot of followers or whatever. Yeah, like I know what to do. |
| 52:30.88 | Max Shank | I'll fix it I'll fix it. That was what I thought I'll I'll fix it and then ah I'm like I'm like just like those ah fucking grandiose big chair guys. It's like the same thing I Just don't want a big chair I'll fix it I'll fix it. |
| 52:40.86 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, just do what I tell you to do ah so fuck your ideas. So you know I um I just got become less and less concerned. |
| 52:47.54 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 53:00.12 | mikebledsoe | I keep up with what's going on I don't let it dominate my my thinking you know it's 1 thing to have awareness or to learn of what's going on around the world. It's another thing that dwell on it. Um, and I become much more focused on what I can impact immediately like you know how. |
| 53:03.76 | Max Shank | So. |
| 53:20.20 | mikebledsoe | Comfortable Can I make my home. That's a sanctuary instead of you know, trying to worry about like I don't care if I drive a fancy car I need where I spend the most time at my home people come to my home people come to my home and they go Wow this. |
| 53:22.79 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 53:29.29 | Max Shank | Right? You got different values. |
| 53:39.45 | mikebledsoe | Place is really nice and comfortable. It's not It's not a big expensive home. It's ah it's a moderate home. It's a middle class home. Ah, but it's not but we've created a vibe inside that just. Very welcoming and peaceful and calm and so Ashley and I when we go out in the world. We we have this calmness and peacefulness about us and people they want to know how we do things and you know we get really strong reflections about us. And the thing is neither one of us are going out to try to teach people how to be much I mean this is about the extent of it right? Ah put a band man. Yeah there you go. |
| 54:21.53 | Max Shank | What is a good man but a bad man's Teacher. What is a bad man but a good man's job. |
| 54:32.36 | mikebledsoe | Ah, so you know the the thing that I keep circling ah since becoming more grounded is really the idea of leading. By example, if I'm not if I'm not happy with how other people are behaving then who I want. |
| 54:45.84 | Max Shank | 5 |
| 54:51.40 | mikebledsoe | Everyone else to be I have not fully embodied myself in a way that it's noticeable or I haven't done it long enough or repeated the behavior enough for people to take note or the benefits of taking those behaviors I haven't been doing it enough in order for people to take note but I'll tell you. That the majority of benefit that I that I think I have helped people achieve has been through modeling and because people learn through modeling they create their desires are created because of modeling and and. |
| 55:25.57 | Max Shank | Absolutely. |
| 55:29.40 | mikebledsoe | For me to think that I said something in particular to get somebody to a specific goal is that is incorrect. You know if I if I wasn't living my life a certain way. People wouldn't give a shit about the words that I was using and in fact, they're probably modeling. |
| 55:38.91 | Max Shank | On. |
| 55:48.47 | mikebledsoe | A lot of my behavior but are giving credit to the words that I use because people people want. That's the logical things like oh I heard this thing and then I put it in place and now that's logical. But I think. |
| 55:55.16 | Max Shank | Ah, well, you're. |
| 56:03.60 | Max Shank | I fixed it I fixed it and what it's what's funny is by being a model you unburden yourself of the responsibility of getting them to behave a certain way and you're not burdening them with a fucking command. |
| 56:05.74 | mikebledsoe | Most who are learning through modeling. |
| 56:17.29 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 56:23.29 | Max Shank | So You are completely unburdened. Ah because you're not trying to force them to be a certain way or manipulate them to be a certain way. People think the word manipulate has a lot of a negative connotation and it does but really, that's all we do. Is we manipulate the world and people for our benefit and sometimes for others. |
| 56:41.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think well I had a conversation with a woman yesterday about this. She was talking about manipulation I was like well I like to create the distinction between influence and manipulation and ah in it with influence I am I am. |
| 56:50.23 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 57:00.75 | mikebledsoe | Making somebody else more informed about something so that they can make a better choice for themselves. Manipulation is I'm likely trying to make them less informed or confuse them in a way so that they'll do do the behavior I'll do not because they have ah a greater understanding. |
| 57:04.25 | Max Shank | The. |
| 57:20.37 | mikebledsoe | So that's yeah, so it's like instead of thinking about it as just like a spectrum of manipulation and say no manipulation is this thing and influences this thing they're very different in my mind So when I'm approaching people. The question I have to ask myself is you know. |
| 57:20.83 | Max Shank | It's like fraud. Yeah. |
| 57:31.10 | Max Shank | Yeah, yeah. |
| 57:38.41 | mikebledsoe | If you're if you're going out and you're going to talk to a girl are you are you practicing influence on the date or are you manipulating And yeah, that wasn't for you that wasn't for you. Um. |
| 57:45.79 | Max Shank | Manipulating for sure I mean wait wait that was oh that was a rhetorical question. Got it? Yeah oh got it I mean I. |
| 57:53.95 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, but I mean this happens a lot and like people talk about marketing and they're like they're like oh marketing is so manipulative I'm like well what kind of marketing are you doing? Are you. |
| 58:04.31 | Max Shank | That's why I bring up machiavelli do the ends justify the means if you believe in a product this is an easy argument to make if you believe in a product you should be willing to say anything to sell as many as possible. That's one way of looking at it so you could totally. Ah. Forgive psychologically ah any kind of what might be considered a dirty tactic but I want to ah touch on something None things actually before we move on 1 one of the things that is taken away one of the burdens that's relieved by just being the example. Is. You're not lusting after your own acceptance I'm gonna say that again. So you're not lusting after your own acceptance because what you're doing is you are looking to have someone say you fixed it or you did it. Or whatever. So instead of lusting after that now that desire's gone and if you look at it from a zen buddhist ah framework that desire being gone is going to bring you a lot more peace and a lot more clarity and a lot more flow. You're not going to feel that burden like. Oh I got to I got to like remind myself that I'm good by helping this guy and then another thing you said, um, that was related to being the example and you said it to me like ah. |
| 59:23.62 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 59:36.73 | Max Shank | It was at your house out here. It was a long time ago. It was like maybe five to seven years ago and yeah, he's been enlightened for a long time. Ah you you it was just about it just was one of those times where I was very receptive and I listened and i. |
| 59:43.17 | mikebledsoe | I've been enlightened for a while. All. |
| 59:53.98 | Max Shank | Started putting it into practice. A lot was I stopped listening as much to what people were saying and more focused on how they were being and now what I'll do sometimes is I'll I'll just try to listen to the noise that someone's making and look at their posture. |
| 01:00:10.37 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:00:11.72 | Max Shank | And I'll try to look beyond the words and see do they go up and down and up and down with their talk and ah du and is their music ah did and you see how the how that flow is kind of coming out. Ah it's It's really interesting to see how people are being. Ah. Because I think that's actually a lot more honest than what that because people are very tricky like have you ever Seen. Ah a really good actor fucking say any word combination and their expression on their face will trick the shit out of me my god. |
| 01:00:46.28 | mikebledsoe | That it's insane. Insane. Oh yeah, the the tonality thing is interesting. So your time about body language. Um, you know if somebody has really poor posture hunched over. Um I start I start. |
| 01:00:49.99 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:00:56.98 | Max Shank | And. |
| 01:01:04.88 | mikebledsoe | Noticing when they're more hunched or more open which may be rare that they're open. But oh wow they they don't feel safe or they have a history of not feeling safe and they just haven't had the physical restoration of their body. Um. |
| 01:01:06.16 | Max Shank | O m. |
| 01:01:14.94 | Max Shank | The. |
| 01:01:23.46 | mikebledsoe | It' not like like whatever is happening energetically takes a lot longer to manifest physically. And yeah me too. |
| 01:01:29.28 | Max Shank | I Used to cross my arms all the time all the time all the time and I would do that thing where you flex your knuckles into your arms from the from the back so that ah your biceps look a little bigger and your little forearm. Extensor muscles look bigger so you get these? Ah, It's like the standard personal trainer photo and I look back at I look back at all these photos I took and every single one I've got like fucking sunglasses ah under armor ah shirt that's skin tight. And my arms are crossed and I'm like that guy doesn't want anyone to know who he is that guy So now I'm super sensitive to it I notice when I see people cross their arms I think it's a really funky posture the the arm crop. Yeah. |
| 01:02:10.62 | mikebledsoe | Be yeah, exactly just. |
| 01:02:23.65 | mikebledsoe | We're putting the hands in pockets too. |
| 01:02:27.00 | Max Shank | What what do you do with your hands though. You can't just be like Ricky Bobby like I don't know what to do with them. |
| 01:02:31.45 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's something about and there's a military thing. There's no hands in the pockets. Um, and what I noticed from years of not hanging out with hands in my pockets is. There's. |
| 01:02:37.26 | Max Shank | Yeah, yeah, 1 |
| 01:02:47.69 | mikebledsoe | Hands in the pockets is a really safe place to put your hands when you're insecure about like having a more open posture. It's like it's like halfway open and yeah it is kind of strange sometimes I I have to find things to do with my hands every once in a while I'll let myself put my hands into my pocket. |
| 01:02:56.22 | Max Shank | Yeah, interesting. |
| 01:03:06.46 | mikebledsoe | Only when I know that um you know it's not coming from a place of insecurity. It's like I'm hanging out my friends I just feel like putting my hands in my pocket I'm gonna fucking do it but it it is something that I was I overdid until I couldn't do it anymore and then that's when I recognized oh this is something that. |
| 01:03:10.34 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:03:20.31 | Max Shank | What. |
| 01:03:26.63 | mikebledsoe | It's a safety you know it's my safety blanket to put my hands in my pockets and kind of hard to be ready for shit when your hands in the pockets when you want to you want to be running down the road. |
| 01:03:30.20 | Max Shank | That kind of curiosity Impossible I mean unless you got something good in there then it's even better. |
| 01:03:41.66 | mikebledsoe | Running down the road with your hands in your pockets. That's that's when people knock their teeth out. No. |
| 01:03:42.17 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, yeah, that's not good, but if you got something interesting in your pocket and could be a great spot. Hey now. Um, yeah I think. |
| 01:03:50.27 | mikebledsoe | I've always got some interesting in there. So. |
| 01:03:58.80 | Max Shank | The curiosity we're talking about about posture I mean look it's no, It's no mystery that you and I are are nerds about things like this about communication about the way the body moves about integrating the body mind heart The rest of them Chakras and so. I Think that's one of those things that can accelerate that openness if you so curiosity is such a ah powerful force of moving into the Unknown. It's the difference between the unknown being scary and the unknown being exciting. And interesting. It's like an a curious is an opportunity forward right? It's the exact opposite of fear right? which is like ah a threat an unknown threat oncoming versus an unknown opportunity oncoming. And we're talking about using different medicines to do that. The other option is to be extremely invested into what you and I are talking about. So I Think that's one of the things that is attractive about using different medicines like I'm. I'm ah experimenting with some puppy medicine right now I have a feeling it's going to ah increase openness probably patience Positivity Ah love Perhaps I I don't know yet. It'll be really interesting to see how that. Changes my paradigm but I think that's really the the pull of those different medicines psychedelics. Whatever cocktail you and your witch doctor can concoct um, is because it can. Increase your connection and alleviate burdens very quickly. It's like you can either get high by doing breathing exercises and going for a run or you can get high by smoking some cannabis or crack or something like that. You know there are a lot of there are a lot of ways to do it. Sometimes you just have something That's a little more push button so to speak and short term. Well but the effects are long term a lot of the time I mean the walls aren't melting forever. |
| 01:06:12.79 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and short term. Totally totally if done well now that would be terrible. |
| 01:06:26.20 | Max Shank | Thankfully, but but you get the you get the alleviation of some of that that guard that dropping of the guard and openness is what allows you to. See some of the filters that you've put on kind of coming back to the stories like I feel sad when I talk to people and I see them hardcore into one narrative or the other because you know, um, there's basically nothing you can say that will resolve that and I I Think. Can pick up on queues and I know a lot of weird facts. But ah once someone's locked into a narrative like that. It's very tricky to get out unless they themselves are getting curious and then you have a chance to take away some of those layers but I think sometimes. |
| 01:07:15.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:07:22.89 | Max Shank | Using those substances can sort of accelerate that process. |
| 01:07:25.50 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, it causes a can cause a pattern interrupt I think most people that they're in a pattern that whatever narrative they're in is a pattern of thinking feeling behaving and most people no matter how much. Information may be counter to you know this being a good idea or or whatever they can't seem to break it until there's a pattern interrupt you know, somebody somebody ends up with heart disease or cancer or something like that like wakes some of its pattern interrupt is like oh I can't keep eating the banas. |
| 01:08:00.40 | Max Shank | Car accident for my mom car accident changed her life. She wasn't injured the car was totaled but ah the whole trajectory of her life changed and she was in her fifty s I mean she was already like a fully baked human so to speak. |
| 01:08:04.25 | mikebledsoe | Car accident. Yeah. |
| 01:08:12.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, so as it it. |
| 01:08:19.90 | Max Shank | So anything that changes. It's kind of like the only absolute is relativity so you and I our stories are just in relation to everything that we understand so we're like part of a ah net and um so I think we're like None musical note. And when you get together with ah lsd you strike a different chord than if you do heroin and if you hang out with puppies or if you drink coffee like I I drink coffee basically daily um some sometimes I'll skip for like a week or something like that. But I've been pretty. Hot on coffee for at least like six months now and I I enjoy it It's just a different ah chord. You know I'm a note coffee's a note boom play them at the same time. That's this different type of resonance and everybody needs and likes different things like these two puppies. Different personalities. None person should have coffee None person should probably do a microdose mushrooms or something like that. There's not a one size fits all for everybody which is also why those ah dictatorships inevitably piss off so many people. Because not everybody wants the same sized solution right. |
| 01:09:36.58 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:09:40.82 | Max Shank | Who So here's what I'm thinking I think we want to do a show about ah all the stuff that we like and I want to do a show called unfair advantages. |
| 01:09:42.14 | mikebledsoe | And we should wrap this up. |
| 01:09:54.23 | mikebledsoe | I Think we were talking about that last show and I forgot that unfair advantages and what else. |
| 01:09:58.97 | Max Shank | I'm all about it it like man. It's totally unfair. Ah just a show about stuff We like we. We just only talk about stuff we like I would love it. |
| 01:10:07.89 | mikebledsoe | Ah I think people would actually love that I think that would be. There's so many things that I love that I want to share with people that sometimes I'll share something I love and they're like oh man. Um, and I realized I wish I could have gotten this information to this person sooner or so many things. |
| 01:10:16.40 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:10:24.38 | Max Shank | Totally yeah, all right? Yeah so I think that'll be good ah man that was fun. What are what's what's our take home message today really curiosity openness. |
| 01:10:27.24 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, all right I'll make a list I Like that idea. |
| 01:10:39.80 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah I think there's ah, there's a thread of communication and violence and the better we can communicate the the less we may experience violence there was a term that you were discussing which is. You know, releasing the burden and the phrase that came to my mind was unburdened leadership so leading by example is an unburdened way of being a leader and I think I'll name a show that and so so how do you be a leader without feeling all that burden. |
| 01:11:04.10 | Max Shank | Um, who I like it right. |
| 01:11:18.85 | mikebledsoe | Just lead by example and mind your own business seems pretty pretty easy. So those are my big takeaways from today's show |
| 01:11:20.55 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:11:26.73 | Max Shank | Yeah, and get curious about why you might be holding onto the rein so tight like like follow it down with the five Y's like why am I trying to control so hard on this ah closedness it was something I examined myself with dogs. Um. |
| 01:11:40.29 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:11:46.69 | Max Shank | Like I had I had always resisted it super heavy and I was like well why? what? What am I really afraid of here and is ah it's good curiosity and unburdened leadership I think are yeah, that's good if you can do that Honestly, you'd be. |
| 01:11:53.82 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:12:03.77 | Max Shank | Way better off and then Mike and I can feel good because we will have helped you and the ricochets will carry em off through our entire society and then we will finally be good. So thank you guys for listening. Love you guys! Love you Mike bye. |
| 01:12:23.35 | mikebledsoe | Legit. Love you Max Talk later. |
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| 00:00.33 | mikebledsoe | Yes, I was just writing I was doing my books waiting on that max here and. |
| 00:01.00 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 00:07.77 | Max Shank | We were just saying. It's nothing like a ah novel. It's nothing like a ah book. But that's how it all really began was we wanted to write down that you owe me 10 goats and I owe you. My daughter's hand in marriage when she comes of age or something like that right? it's it's Contracts. It's contracts. Basically I O use. |
| 00:25.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I remember. Ah yeah, it's a recording of of transactions so recording of contracts agreements the I remember um watching my. |
| 00:42.30 | Max Shank | It's like the word record you record a record. |
| 00:44.30 | mikebledsoe | yeah yeah I remember watching my dad do the books for his business back in like you know the 80 s and 90 s you know I wasn't I wasn't aware enough to know what he was doing until probably the early 90 s but ah. |
| 00:49.82 | Max Shank | Yeah. E. |
| 01:03.41 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I just remember him like having an actual book of things and and writing in the ledger where the money went and this not I Just remember like that was the most frustrated I ever saw him like. |
| 01:11.51 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 01:18.76 | Max Shank | Is. |
| 01:20.69 | mikebledsoe | Like the guy. The guy's a craftsman right? He he was a craftsman and so like ah he was a builder like he did a lot of ah home improvements but also built these really amazing cabins from scratch and yeah. |
| 01:24.29 | Max Shank | What craft. |
| 01:36.18 | Max Shank | No shit building a cabin from scratch is like a really cool thing I think now that's what I think is cool now I think that is cool now I used to think lifting something really really big over your head was super cool. |
| 01:39.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so he was. |
| 01:43.13 | mikebledsoe | Totally. |
| 01:52.25 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:55.28 | Max Shank | And it still kind of is but now making your own cabin from scratch that is fricking cool. |
| 02:01.27 | mikebledsoe | Well, it's interesting because you know he was so gifted at that and then because he wanted to do things the way he wanted to do them meant that he was going to own his own business which then came with all these other ah requirements. Ah, for. |
| 02:18.27 | Max Shank | Who. |
| 02:20.53 | mikebledsoe | To do that because and really the only reason is required is because you have to pay taxes. Other than that you you wouldn't actually have to maintain books. It'd probably be beneficial to maintain books to maintain a ah record of of your transactions and all that stuff. |
| 02:31.97 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 02:37.60 | mikebledsoe | But I think a guy like that would have done better just to have been winging it the whole time and put more of his attention into what he was actually skilled at. |
| 02:45.24 | Max Shank | Man that speaks so much to me because we could talk about this probably all day right? where these different personality types crazy thrive in one way and then really struggle in another way and it's like how do you. Compound and multiply your zone of Genius while minimizing the damage of one of these let's just call it a ah deficit or or just like a ah simple lack of desire to do you know back in the day if if you went out on the hunt. |
| 03:15.51 | mikebledsoe | Um, what. |
| 03:22.60 | Max Shank | Crafting is like a version of hunting or gathering kind of you can make that that leap it's about energy transformation and generation. Ah, there was no need to really keep a record because you either came home with food or you did not. There's no like little book. Oh I can. |
| 03:35.72 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 03:41.83 | Max Shank | Didn't get food again today. It's like no, we all know. |
| 03:43.47 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think the only like thinking ahead that people had to do early on was if you lived up North you had to think about the seasons changing but aside from that you know if the the closer you move to the equator the less. |
| 03:53.97 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 04:01.48 | mikebledsoe | You really have to keep a record or think about much of the past or the future. It really is about. Did you bring home a kill today or did you find some food today or are we warm. Are we comfortable today? Yeah, so yeah, the um I you know what I I find to be interesting is. |
| 04:10.29 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 04:21.38 | mikebledsoe | I avoided doing the books in my business I avoided doing bookkeeping anything with finance at all and so ah, a little over a year ago I decided to I was talking to a friend I was talking to a friend like two and a half years ago and he was like well. |
| 04:27.48 | Max Shank | It. Ah. |
| 04:40.29 | mikebledsoe | You know you've never done your books I go no he goes you should probably do your books at some point just so you you know what's happening in the business like at a very granular level and I go I go. Okay, he goes I Still do my books and he's he runs multiple companies and. |
| 04:47.89 | Max Shank | I. |
| 04:58.20 | mikebledsoe | This and that definitely a different personality than I am right? but but he was right. There was a there was a there was something about the business I didn't quite understand yes I could get by without it I didn't need to do it. But if I rip. |
| 05:00.86 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 05:09.86 | Max Shank | Um, well, you're a star Mike you can make it you can make it work even if it's not a good plan and I can relate. |
| 05:23.74 | mikebledsoe | It's how you broke up for a None |
| 05:24.72 | Max Shank | Oh you can make a good plan Work. You can make a bad plan work. Ah, just because you have those skills and I can super relate to that and when you're ah less wise you trick yourself into thinking. That you had a good plan but really, you had a shit plan and you just happened to pull a miracle out of your ass. |
| 05:48.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's a pattern of behavior if you were to look back that the ah and it it is. It's like my whole family The ah the whole family. There was a saying growing up was like a ble so could fall into a pile of shit and still smell like a rose. |
| 05:57.65 | Max Shank | But. |
| 06:08.40 | mikebledsoe | like like 1 of those like we would put ourselves in these predicaments. But somehow we'd fucking escape. Yeah yeah, and it was kind of like a running joke. But the the thing is is when that is true when that's happened enough times. It starts. |
| 06:14.20 | Max Shank | Find the shower. Yeah. |
| 06:22.76 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 06:27.66 | mikebledsoe | It's It's hard to make planning important when not planning you still get pretty good Results. Maybe not the ultimate result you're looking for but pretty good results and I think most people have ah they have developed some type. Of something in their personality ah patterns of behavior in their life where they have continued to get a reward and so that's why they keep behaving that way even though there might be some people saying hey you might want to try it this other way. It's like why would I listen to somebody suggesting to do it another way unless my weight. Hasn't been working but what happens is as we get to a certain point that has happened with me. It's like I keep butting up against the same ceiling right? It's like oh every time I try to make more than this amount of money I hit the ceiling every time I do this I hit a ceiling and or every time I have a certain goal I hit a ceiling in the in. |
| 07:17.28 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 07:22.65 | Max Shank | On. |
| 07:27.70 | mikebledsoe | Reason is because the thing that got me to where I am now is probably the thing that's going to hold me back moving forward and I'm ah I'm a huge fan of of ah knowing your weaknesses and studying it. |
| 07:33.46 | Max Shank | Interesting idea. |
| 07:46.19 | mikebledsoe | A little bit just so you know what you don't know like I I do I learn enough about finance so that I know how to I can at least spot the Bs I can tell if somebody else knows what they're talking about. But if I don't know anything about it and I just straight up delegate it Out. I I think that's dangerous because I've done that before and gotten burned. How about you have you had like business partnerships and stuff like that where like not necessarily because somebody burned you. But. |
| 08:12.67 | Max Shank | Um, like you repeat that you you receive you repeat the same pattern is that what you're asking or. |
| 08:18.90 | mikebledsoe | No, no, no like if you don't know enough about a task that you have not developed yourself and say you completely outsource that task That's that's a problem. |
| 08:29.86 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, yeah, you put something you put something outside of your observation and and it leaves you vulnerable in in several ways I know at Discount Tire They don't promote anyone from the outside. It's only from the um. |
| 08:47.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. |
| 08:49.31 | Max Shank | The bottom up the whole thing and it's all about knowing every part of the process. Ah dude, you've said so many things that I want to respond to I took a couple notes here and the first one was ah in relation to the the bookkeeping. It's like. |
| 09:01.15 | mikebledsoe | You. |
| 09:07.88 | Max Shank | Reminded me immediately of the word intuitive eating and intuitive movement. So now we have intu intuitive finances. Ah here here on our show. We do intuitive finance is a new course coming out featuring ah featuring ah the. |
| 09:19.79 | mikebledsoe | Let me go see if that domain's available. |
| 09:26.96 | Max Shank | The crypto prince Mike Bledso and the ah the dinosaur. |
| 09:29.82 | mikebledsoe | Um, there's like so many domains I have to buy right now just spitting them out. Yeah. |
| 09:35.97 | Max Shank | Totally all right? So check it, you have intuitive eating and intuitive movement people are probably familiar with those terms but None of the things I was talking with my buddy about ah we're like man how are you shouldn't do. Intuitive eating if you suck like if you don't have knowledge and skills like intuitive eating is for sure the best way I would I mean it's a bold claim intuitive eating can be wonderful but you but also you need to have. |
| 10:05.30 | mikebledsoe | Well, you have to be in touch with your intuition for it to work for 1 |
| 10:14.61 | Max Shank | Some understanding of what is in the food like you can't if you go on just like pure ah like gut reaction. You're just going to eat ah like chips and soda pop all day long because it's delicious. So with finances you dig into the books a little bit. |
| 10:17.74 | mikebledsoe | By the way. |
| 10:34.52 | Max Shank | Now you might have a chance to approach something. That's a little bit more intuitive because now you have that vocabulary that ah understanding of the elements right? So that was the None thing I thought of um, it made me laugh. |
| 10:50.14 | mikebledsoe | Let's you got to have this structure. You have to have this structure in order to flow and like an intuition and flow go hand in hand. Yeah, exactly. |
| 10:55.40 | Max Shank | Right? We're talking about that last week right we were talking about that last week. The pipes are the structure and it harnesses the flow in the direction you want it to go ah and then the other thing that was interesting. We were talking about how? ah. A good outcome doesn't mean you had a good plan and if you're a super achiever guy. You can basically make a bad plan work and you don't want to conflate those 2 you don't want to confuse those things and think oh my plan was good. Really no, you're a stud but your plan sucks and so that's kind of. Looking at those weaknesses and then finally um, the the the identity perpetuating patterns is a funny one to me like if you ah I don't I don't know if this is true. It feels kind of true to me. But if you pride yourself and you label yourself as someone who's extremely tough who can take a lot of punishment and get back up every time they fall down. I have this idea that life is going to feed you more of that. What do you What do you think about that your identity perpetuating your reality. |
| 12:15.37 | mikebledsoe | Um, oh yeah, absolutely the? Ah ah well what we have to talk about the reticular activating system in this case and ah the RAS as a part of the brain. |
| 12:27.38 | Max Shank | Save the 10 dollars words for another podcast you son of a bitch. |
| 12:34.80 | mikebledsoe | Is responsible for so spotting things. So for instance, um, if I go buy a red pickup truck. What am I going to see a lot of on the road red pickup truck. We all know this we've all heard you know and we've all had the experience of. |
| 12:35.99 | Max Shank | Fucking nerd. |
| 12:45.98 | Max Shank | You. |
| 12:52.32 | mikebledsoe | We become interested in something and then all of a sudden we we start seeing it everywhere and we see it's a sign. Um and and so ah, the same thing happens with identity. If we believe something about ourselves and I like the way you talk about identity max which is you know the story we tell ourselves about ourselves if we that is our identity and we have this story about what is true I also like to think about what we believe to be true about ourselves and what we believe to be true about the world. Those are the None big things to have beliefs about right? It's either a belief about self or belief. |
| 13:28.64 | Max Shank | Yeah, maybe that's what encompasses your identity right? is your place in the world. Also it's not just the label you attach to yourself. It's um, there's that classic phrase is you know. Life is happening for you. Some people believe and some people believe life happens to you I used to start off asking people questions like ah do you feel Life is more like a game a show or a ride I used to start all my like coaching programs with these weird. |
| 13:47.29 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 14:07.70 | Max Shank | Questions and then I'd ask people what the word intelligent means and people would stumble all over it and have no clue what smart even means and it was just like this fun thing but depending on how you see life if you see life is more like a ride you might have a hell of a wild and awesome ride. But it's going to be different than someone who thinks they are playing a game that they must win right? It's going to be huge difference. |
| 14:27.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, totally yeah, right is passive that it's happening and there's not much I'm going to do um, a game I'm an active participant. It might be great. Ah. |
| 14:36.17 | Max Shank | Um, and it might be great. It might be great. The the thing is like I want to I make sure that people understand I'm not trying to say that one is superior although I love games and winning is fun. Winning isn't everything. But it's the only thing right? There's that all like ah but I've I've met people who live life like it's a ride and they they do well and they're very happy and I've seen people who. Live life like a game and it's a real challenge the whole time and it doesn't look as far and vice versa. So There's quadrants you know. |
| 15:19.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well I think the ride I think the ride is a good way to go if you have momentum in a certain direction. There's like because well well what? what? ah. |
| 15:32.12 | Max Shank | Everybody's got momentum in a certain direction dude like you the word momentum starts with the word mom. As soon as you get launched out of a vagina there is momentum to you. |
| 15:42.85 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well if you're if you're in a poor trajectory and you're on a ride then it's not a good thing. But if you have if you're going in a great direction with Momentum then the ride is probably really good for you. So. |
| 15:45.53 | Max Shank | Your life has momentum as soon as you cross the gate. Yeah. |
| 15:58.64 | Max Shank | I Like that we're going to bring it back to physics here. Yeah, we're going to coast a little bit kick push kick push Coast right? I think with when it comes to work which is ah a big part of. |
| 16:05.45 | mikebledsoe | Exactly exactly. |
| 16:17.36 | Max Shank | Ah, even having any accounting or bookkeeping to do. It's um, it's nice to remember that the suffering that you feel the amount of effort you apply has ah very little to do. |
| 16:35.71 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 16:35.97 | Max Shank | With the result you know, ah Momentum and Aerodynamics are a really really nice example of that. So just just having ah a better, a better setup can be. Be a huge difference maker. It doesn't matter how much effort or suffering goes into it I think that's ah, another big identity thing I know for me that was ah that was a challenge I Thought that suffering was proportional to success or or good or goodness right? Um, and I think. |
| 17:08.96 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 17:13.79 | Max Shank | A lot of people still do believe that is my guess so like. |
| 17:14.60 | mikebledsoe | They do I talk to people who do all time I Want to go back to like the the collecting of evidence for what you believe about the world and what you believe about yourself. So this this identity you know who you believe you are and what you believe the world is and how you fit inside of it. |
| 17:26.34 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 17:33.77 | mikebledsoe | You These are all just a series of narratives that are playing out most of these narratives were set up when you were a kid and you what you've been doing the whole time. He's been collecting evidence to support it you ah the that part of your. |
| 17:42.86 | Max Shank | I. |
| 17:53.20 | mikebledsoe | Brain doesn't go out there looking for things that don't support it. They're going out there look for things that do support it and so you can tell? Yeah, so when you yeah so when you have stacked a lot of time. |
| 18:03.25 | Max Shank | Confirmation Bias I think is what that's called think like racism like racism you you get up ah in the morning your parents are racist. They're saying bad things about the neighbors. Maybe you live in a bad area where. |
| 18:14.32 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 18:20.45 | Max Shank | All your neighbors are bad white and black and yellow and different colors alike but you only look out like what you were saying with your ah reticular activating system is you look out for those things and not only is it that you see them. Because what you notice is so different than what you see and you just confirm those beliefs over and over again because your vision is crazy small and Selective. You know, kind of going back to the vision Piece. It's a very complex mechanism that. Creates a total illusion inside your brain. |
| 19:02.83 | mikebledsoe | There was a I was listening to a podcast by Lex Friedman the other day I forget who shared it with me. Um, but he's he's ah interviewing this like evolutionary physicist I don't know like so some some dude that's they. Is way smarter than either None of us and he was talking about. |
| 19:24.72 | Max Shank | Well I resent that clearly you don't know what the word smart means. |
| 19:29.65 | mikebledsoe | Ah, this guy. Ah, basically through mathematics is able to demonstrate how our perception is. It's impossible for our perception to match reality. And in fact, it's so far from reality that. Which which isn't not news to you or me but to a lot of people. They they do think that they're noticing some things and then they're perceiving others when in fact, it's None perception that's happening and if we look out through lens of evolution then what we're what we have is. Ah. Ah, ah, the fittest right? It's it's the fittest is what evolves it's not It's not the truth. So the truth does not actually ah doesn't come into play when it comes to survival so whatever you whatever you need to perceive in order to survive. Is how your entire consciousness will develop. |
| 20:33.22 | Max Shank | When you say truth What do you mean because I I would agree that what a person sees is dependent on their memory because what they're what they're doing is they're differentiating ah the way a picture is interpreted. |
| 20:50.10 | mikebledsoe | And um. |
| 20:52.71 | Max Shank | And the picture is just simply about the ah um, the reception of light and we only have a small visible spectrum. So you're talking about the truth being everything versus what is visible to the naked eye. Oh then. |
| 21:08.25 | mikebledsoe | That's correct. |
| 21:11.57 | Max Shank | Absolutely I mean there's ah there are some great pictures. You can look up on the electromagnetic spectrum That's like a really cool ah thing to check out. Everything is just buzzing around and some of it. We can see and some of it. We can't and some animals. |
| 21:26.57 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and but it's not. It's not necessary. Yeah. |
| 21:30.52 | Max Shank | And see ultraviolet and Infrared. It's not Useful. It's really about what is a um I feel like I say it all the time.. It's like what is a predictable Pattern. What is a predictable pattern if you have a really hard turtle shell on your back. It's predictable that. Nothing is going to bite through it as long as you're inside the shell if you're inside a cave and the cave is sealed the the jaguar or the leopard or the line will not get you in the night those kind of things are um. |
| 21:52.83 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 22:09.88 | Max Shank | Stuff that we've learned based on what we've seen but it's not the the whole picture right. |
| 22:13.80 | mikebledsoe | No, no. But yeah, so we look for the fact is almost nobody has an accurate understanding of the world or of themselves. Well that. |
| 22:26.49 | Max Shank | What do you mean? almost nobody who's this who's this guy that has it all figured out I want to meet this dude and. |
| 22:32.64 | mikebledsoe | There's this one guy there's this one guy I think that he may have it figured out but he'll remain nameless. |
| 22:40.97 | Max Shank | He's the one he's the 1 standing on the milk crate at the corner of a Columbus and None right? it it is probably someone like that I mean hey yeah, the concept. |
| 22:44.00 | mikebledsoe | For sure for sure. He's the fuck crazy fucker lives under the bridge. Well, there's a have you read? the have you read this series by Jed Mckenna okay Jeed Mckenna wrote a ah. |
| 22:57.58 | Max Shank | M. |
| 23:00.16 | mikebledsoe | Series. The first book is called spiritual enlightenment The damnedest thing and um I used to be really hesitant to even mention it in public. But I've gotten a little bit looser because you know what if you want to destroy your entire ego. You know who am I to stop you So the. This guy. Ah, this guy wrote this book on Enlightenment. He basically outlines how spirituality is actually ah will keep you from being enlightened and really creates a distinction between the 2 And you know that the the deal is you can't explain what enlightenment is because it's something that would only you can only experience once it's you can only experience it and then once you've experienced it. There's no going back to the illusion and. |
| 23:53.90 | Max Shank | Well, and once again, what are we trying to describe when we say the word enlightenment so just getting really right? It's ah it's a sign. It's a symbol that we're using to determine like this feeling that we we have this feeling in mind. |
| 23:57.14 | mikebledsoe | Was It's indescribable. Well well being well being well being. Well different people. Well a lot of people see it as a feeling but the the way the guy describes it This book is that you only see you you know the absolute truth at all times you're. |
| 24:11.78 | Max Shank | Right? and. |
| 24:21.41 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 24:23.10 | mikebledsoe | You stabilize that state of consciousness and um, basically life gets incredibly boring because there's no narratives I mean you can witness narratives but you're not actually participating um in them anymore at all. |
| 24:37.11 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 24:42.64 | mikebledsoe | There's nothing to believe about yourself. There's nothing to believe about the world outside of what you can directly validate for yourself through observation and even then the story that tying the the dots together to create a narrative just doesn't exist anymore. |
| 24:59.11 | Max Shank | It would be so hard to function with other people if you actually did that it'd be. |
| 25:03.36 | mikebledsoe | Well well in the book If you read the book series. You'd really, there's he he's basically documenting conversations and he fucking almost hates having to interact with people. You know it's It's not a you know he basically just sees everybody as little children. |
| 25:15.30 | Max Shank | Um, right. |
| 25:21.59 | Max Shank | Well that I agree with I mean people are like little children. Um. |
| 25:23.32 | mikebledsoe | Well, he gets into that in the book as well. I think you would enjoy the series. Yeah, it's a it's a trilogy. It's it's I chuckled my way through it and it was. It was pretty good. Ah although I. |
| 25:30.36 | Max Shank | The series. Okay. |
| 25:40.35 | Max Shank | I Feel like. |
| 25:42.47 | mikebledsoe | Read it in 2017 at it early Twenty seventeen it ah it did do a number on me totally totally. |
| 25:46.65 | Max Shank | Ah, might hit a little different now too. Ah I liked what you said about spirituality getting in the way of enlightenment because when I think of the word enlightenment I Like you know me I like to keep things as simple as possible because I'm not as smart as all these science guys and. |
| 25:55.97 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 26:11.66 | Max Shank | When I think of enlightenment I think about just a reduction in in mass. So you're you're reducing So you're trying to literally make yourself lighter. Yeah, it's like I wrote this phrase down that I've always loved. It's like you can only sharpen. |
| 26:20.42 | mikebledsoe | It's a destructive process. |
| 26:31.20 | Max Shank | By removing material like otherwise it's a different thing but you sharpen something by taking stuff away and ah there are a lot of different analogies in some ancient wisdoms About. You know, don't be sharp like a sword you know, let yourself become dull and plain like a stone in a River and that kind of stuff and I really resonate with that and the more you have to keep up with these stories the the more you are burdened. And so it's like how do you find a way to fully connect which is like flow in that moment without getting attached and you realize every attachment you have is derived from that identity that you have all all the attachments. Are in relation to your identity. It's like a big net where you're the center spoke or maybe a wheel where you're in the center and it's all these relationships with everything else. |
| 27:30.19 | mikebledsoe | Well, the way the way that Jed ah he describes it in the book. He's like you know, a lot of people like to think about what you're talking about these these these beliefs that are in our consciousness like I believe they're in this beautiful web. Or a net or something like that he goes the reality is it's a rat's nest. You have no idea what belongs where until you start pulling a thread and and even then you don't know what? Ah every what all it was connected to and um, yeah, so like that that really hit home for me when. |
| 27:59.22 | Max Shank | Um, oh yeah. |
| 28:08.74 | mikebledsoe | Because I up to that point I was thinking Oh there's this beautiful web and if I pull this part of the web then I'm not really sure what'll happen on this other side of the web but he's like now it's a Rat's nest. It's just as a is a disaster zone inside of people's minds. Oh. |
| 28:17.48 | Max Shank | E. |
| 28:23.29 | Max Shank | Um, often yeah. |
| 28:27.88 | mikebledsoe | Which I find to be accurate because anytime I've worked with people through like a belief and then we watch it dissolve. There's just no way to predict how that's going to impact their life. It's like oh I didn't know it wass going to impact that area of your life in that way. Okay, that was a surprise. |
| 28:43.17 | Max Shank | Some people are more attached. Some people are a little some people have a pretty easy time letting stuff go and some people have ah a really hard time or. |
| 28:44.79 | mikebledsoe | Some people are more attached. |
| 28:52.64 | mikebledsoe | I have um so I have a ah story to share I have a ah mentee I was talking to yesterday and he goes mike do you believe in curses I was like well um, you know. If you're talking about someone putting a curse on you if you believe someone put a curse on you then the only way the curse will work is if you believe that the curse is real if you believe that someone put a curse on you then it weren't like you you are cursed and and. |
| 29:21.25 | Max Shank | Um, then it definitely worked. You're fucked. That's yeah. |
| 29:29.50 | mikebledsoe | And you're the only one that can undo it right? and so and so that was That's how I started he goes. He's like well well I met this guy and he said that he said that Um, my family had a curse and I. |
| 29:43.89 | Max Shank | Sounds like 1 of them spiritual ah barriers to enlightenment perhaps or maybe he was right I don't I don't know. |
| 29:48.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well well Ego I Go what? Well I say I I was like well we have to Define Curse of course that we we do that on the show at Lot. We Define things and I was like like look I don't I don't necessarily believe in curses in the way that ah. People who use that language probably believe in them because I don't need to believe in the curse I Um I I think that people use that language when they're actually confused about what that is. It's like this. It's mystical. And that's one of the things that ah jeed was getting in the book with spirituality is there's so so much mysticism and that is there's so much mystery, There's so much that we don't understand that you have to buy into and that happens a lot in spirituality people start throwing these words around and I don't know what they're talking about. |
| 30:44.60 | Max Shank | On. |
| 30:44.85 | mikebledsoe | And I'm pretty sure they have no idea what they're talking about because they just strung together a bunch of words that don't make any sense to to anybody in the room and if I were to ask them to break it down in plain language. It's not going to happen and so anytime anyone starts using a lot of flowery language. Both me my fiancee would just leave. |
| 30:55.95 | Max Shank | Um, right. |
| 31:04.62 | mikebledsoe | Like neither one of us like to put up with that that shit you know and so that there's a lot of people in the quote unquote conscious community that exists that like you know I think they're doing good stuff I like them and all that but we're probably not going to hang out I don't want to like those people are confused. And so ah, what. |
| 31:25.45 | Max Shank | How could people not be confused I mean we act like it's just been this sequential build. But the reality is that cultures and nations and peoples and laws have just been patched together ah time and time again with. Almost never having a chance to really clean the slate. That's why when you have something like America it's like whoa. It's not totally blank slate but it's it's pretty close. They were like okay, let's let's think about this real quick like. |
| 31:54.53 | mikebledsoe | It was. It was pretty. It was pretty blank. |
| 32:04.41 | Max Shank | What are we going to do here and because and then of course now what we have is just the patchwork quilt of that initial weaving and we're just sticking stuff in here and we're like oh yeah, the school's not doing so good so they need more tests or we'll teach them the tests ahead of time and. |
| 32:09.64 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 32:23.67 | Max Shank | It's just all these fucking patches and ah so it's no wonder that it's just this absolute cluster fuck like you were saying where most of the stuff you just have to take on faith Ah, which of course is kind of kind of back to. Well. |
| 32:35.95 | mikebledsoe | We you don't have to I I I try not my my goal is I tell people a lot of times they'll ask me what I believe I go and I said you know I don't believe in much of anything if I can't validate it for myself then I'm gonna tell you. |
| 32:42.72 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean. |
| 32:55.92 | mikebledsoe | I don't know. Ah there are things that are useful if I were to believe when I believe this way it's something I can't validate for myself. But I can validate the result of believing it which is ah something I want in my life or something I don't want in my life. So I I like to. |
| 32:56.92 | Max Shank | O. |
| 33:04.61 | Max Shank | And. |
| 33:11.30 | Max Shank | E. |
| 33:14.52 | mikebledsoe | Be able to admit that I have no idea what the truth is but I do know what's useful and ah there are some things that I can validate for myself and I just know that now going back to the curse and and a curse on the family the the way that I. I Talked about that with him is that every family has a curse and the yeah and they they have some blessings as well. But the but the curse. |
| 33:40.63 | Max Shank | Whoa How about a blessing do they have blessings Also because if you can curse another person then it would stand to reason that you could also bless them The logic's not sound completely. But. |
| 33:48.22 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, you could. |
| 33:55.70 | Max Shank | If you believe that you can be cursed. You probably also believe someone could say a prayer for you or give you a blessing or cast a magical spell. |
| 33:59.91 | mikebledsoe | But I think we've all seen this like I think what? But what he was talking about is that there's a trend in his family. There's a trend of this pattern of behavior and and it seems mysterious to to them and maybe to people around them who who. |
| 34:08.84 | Max Shank | In. |
| 34:19.57 | mikebledsoe | Are Not very good at paying attention. Um, they're not in that practice and so but if you pay attention close Enough. You have well there is a pattern of behavior that's leading to these cursed results right? These results to seem to be a curse. Well the curse is going to be a mystery until you. Until you go to? why are people why? what is the behavior that's leading to this and where did that behavior come from and. |
| 34:45.17 | Max Shank | Back to curiosity if you can get to that state like then then that's like as close as you can get to a ah blank slate moving forward is to get curious about what is rather than confirming what you believe I think is the. |
| 34:52.22 | mikebledsoe | Key So curiosity keep curiosity. |
| 35:04.14 | Max Shank | The major key so you're curious about what is or perhaps what can be ah and that way you are not confirming the pre-existing beliefs right? Which definitely feels more stable I mean everything. All the all this talk about writing stuff down and recording things is to increase predictability and stability. So I feel comfortable lending you the None goats. |
| 35:30.35 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well this is what as you I said Curiosity is the cure for curses. So if you if we're going to show title somehow. So so so um, look so I'm talking to him and I go. |
| 35:38.60 | Max Shank | Um, cool. That's that sounds nice. |
| 35:50.26 | mikebledsoe | This is the curse is what your parents learn from from their parents and then what they taught you is is there's an ancestral pattern of behavior that's playing out and if you don't understand how that pattern works then it's going to be mysterious. And then someone's going to come along and and use the label curse because it's the word curse is kind of a mysterious thing in itself like Witches curse things and that you know it's kind of like it's magic. Yeah, so like I and then so I have to go back in that. Yeah. |
| 36:15.78 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, like a Hex or something like that. Yeah, but you can use magic for good too. You know. |
| 36:24.97 | mikebledsoe | It to something that's magical or mystical is just something you don't understand how it works yet. Yeah. |
| 36:29.62 | Max Shank | Yes, exactly magic You don't get the trick and as soon as you know how it works. It's not magic anymore. It's just a trick hey do the trick. You know it's magic when you don't follow what's happening and most things really are magic I'm a very curious guy I don't like to not know stuff. |
| 36:36.33 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 36:47.11 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 36:49.43 | Max Shank | Honestly, maybe it's maybe it's a character defect or an an effect I don't I don't know exactly what it is but ah, it's really difficult actually to know how stuff works just if you look around wherever you are right now and just try to figure out how all the stuff is working. Unless you are a like Captain Science or something like that. You're going to find it really taxing to figure out how everything works in the world around you and I think one of the things about objectivism which is where i'm. Trying to come at things from it's weird I'm like objectivist in terms of like if it works I'm going to use it and that's good enough for me and also a more metaphysical connection to an everlasting eternal and infinite source that is. Totally the opposite of objective. It's completely subjective. It's like a feeling that it's funny because it's either ah true or not true and so if I am making myself. Believe that it is true and it gives me a good feeling then I just kind of gave myself a little blessing basically and I think that's a lot of what religion is about It's like hey you know what it feels good that there is a wise fatherly figure who's not too hands on. |
| 38:06.49 | mikebledsoe | Exactly. |
| 38:21.42 | Max Shank | By the way, not an overbearing parent or father figure all powerful looking out for me. He loves me says so in the book. That's that's going to feel pretty nice I can totally understand what I would feel nice. Are you kidding. |
| 38:33.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well you know, ah this brings up. Yeah well well I see a huge like a really beneficial place for religion. Um, you know when I look at when I look at you know people that are you know mainstream people. |
| 38:38.37 | Max Shank | About the boost in morale. |
| 38:47.62 | Max Shank | Fanatics. Oh. |
| 38:51.95 | mikebledsoe | Religion is a really great way to get them to behave like if somebody doesn't hasn't been through the questions and the logic and really sat with themselves and have an understanding of like ah of karma basically cause and effect how you know if I do this and I get this result. Most people have no idea that person is going to do really good going to church on Sunday and having the None commandments repeated to them and because the 10 commandments. It's kind of hard hard to argue with that shit like. |
| 39:26.10 | Max Shank | It's a bit outlandish really I mean no killing or coveting the neighbor's wife give me a break. |
| 39:30.48 | mikebledsoe | I think there was there was I think the one that don't covet your neighbor's wife is the only one that does not include an action that every the 9 commandments was don't do these things and then the last one was like. |
| 39:47.64 | Max Shank | Don't even want this. |
| 39:49.67 | mikebledsoe | Stamp out that desire like it was the it was the only one that was around desire. Everything else was about behavior so which is really really interesting that it that it that it was wrapped like that which I think is also really good advice. Ah you want to be miserable. |
| 39:58.36 | Max Shank | Um, it's like yeah, ah. |
| 40:07.81 | Max Shank | Just covet everything You don't have. |
| 40:08.31 | mikebledsoe | Like it. Yeah I mean just means to have envy you know to be jealous like it's like oh you know that dude's wife is hotter than mine I I think about her all the time talk about suffering you want to make yourself suffer. |
| 40:21.16 | Max Shank | How about the illusion. How about the illusion like that I mean you bring up a great point could talk about it all day. But I won't I mean look at what we do to fabricate a better illusion shiny sports cars glittery tits. We're doing the whole nine yards just to. We're so hyper audio visual. We're so hypervisual. It's insane and you know that. |
| 40:46.44 | mikebledsoe | I think 75% of your perception at least seventy five eighty percent on the yeah well the eyes are just an extension of your nervous system. It's just like your nerves have come out and it makes more sense. It makes sense. |
| 40:53.42 | Max Shank | Um, it's like. |
| 41:00.69 | Max Shank | Yeah, yeah, no I follow I Follow what you're ah what you're going at um I think it's interesting. A lot of people consume media now with the sound off and it's just visual isn't that interesting. |
| 41:03.82 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 41:10.63 | mikebledsoe | I Do I I I have everything set up to where I have to like purposely turn the sound on and and I hope if you don't have a caption on your video I'm I'm skipping right over because I don't want to interrupt I don't want to interrupt my music. |
| 41:19.50 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 41:24.52 | Max Shank | Um, oh shit game over that. |
| 41:29.22 | mikebledsoe | And got my music playing to my phone now I'm going to have some fucking Instagram real barin now get out of here. So I caption everything. Ah. |
| 41:33.86 | Max Shank | Totally totally totally. But I think that just goes to show that we we are. We're very one-dimensional and very heavily focused on the vision and this whole this whole thing. It's like we're not quite. |
| 41:42.53 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 41:52.86 | Max Shank | Um, full slaves to our primal ah lust and hunger which that's pretty fun. That's one good option but we're also not fully bought in to this enlightened state either. You know? So we're not we're not really ah enjoying the primal ah savageness and we're also not really in the egoless enviousless wrathless smoothness of ah you know, connected communication and communion. With other things and ah creatures in your universe which is your unique perspective. So. It's a but it's a real bummer to be between those 2 is that's like the worst place you don't really get the benefit of either None you know you're. |
| 42:35.65 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, ah. |
| 42:46.30 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah. |
| 42:49.76 | Max Shank | Lizard Brain afraid all the time you're not really getting the you know the the lust and the hunger they're full due and you're not on the the wizard mode either sounds awful just bought in the illusion. |
| 42:58.50 | mikebledsoe | Terrible terrible. So ah, so so there there was this moment I had where I um I really got to have um, an appreciation for religion I was it was ah. 2018 I was in ah Paris France and I went to see Notre ah Notre Dame um and before it burned ah and I got to go I walked in. |
| 43:22.62 | Max Shank | Any. |
| 43:33.80 | Max Shank | Um I did too. It was awesome I might have been there in the same year I might have been there at like the same time is fucking weird. We were there on a date. |
| 43:36.17 | mikebledsoe | So cool. So I walked in I'm looking at oh oh weird. So they add all this these ah these these monk These monks had like these hats. You know you saw like the hats with the Jewels and. |
| 43:50.57 | Max Shank | Just kidding like. |
| 43:55.44 | mikebledsoe | And everything and are and I'm in there and I'm looking at the the cathedral from inside and I go and then I went and looked at the outside I was like man there is a lot of symbolism here and I was like this is super psychedelic like yeah, what I'm looking at. |
| 44:08.63 | Max Shank | Um, lot of fancy hats in religions too. |
| 44:13.71 | mikebledsoe | What I'm looking at is it looks very mystical and reminds me I remember looking at this one piece and I was like that's a fucking dmt trip right? there I'm gonna tell you right now I've I've been there and I and then I started seeing it everywhere I was like this is. These cathedrals in Europe are so psychedelic and so I'm in Notre domina and I'm like I'm like okay I'm getting a download here. Let's go home. Went back to the apartment I booked a tour. |
| 44:32.94 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 44:45.59 | mikebledsoe | For the next day I was like I need I need like a proper tour this me wandering around and by myself not going to cut it and so what do I do I drop acid before the tour because I'm a genius and ah. We signed up for a group tour but we were me and my ex-wife were the only 2 that signed up so we had a private tour while on Assad and we we got to go the guy was like I normally don't tell people about this because if there's catholics ah in the group they get really triggered. |
| 45:06.25 | Max Shank | Amazing. |
| 45:20.80 | mikebledsoe | Because there was so much of the symbolism on the church was taken from ah ancient Egypt and and basically every religion up to that point is represented in in Notre Dame um which makes it even more interesting than some of the other cathedrals. Yeah, it's. |
| 45:34.90 | Max Shank | See I didn't I didn't even know that that's awesome I checked it out but I did not get a tour I Certainly didn't get that. |
| 45:40.33 | mikebledsoe | Ah, there there is references in the architecture to ah the chakras 7 chakras it's very it to me. It was like very blatant but ah to someone who's. |
| 45:48.49 | Max Shank | So now. |
| 45:54.34 | Max Shank | Ah, neat. That's awesome. That's neat. No no, no, that's neat. No, that's really cool. This is neat. |
| 45:59.19 | mikebledsoe | Ah, he said 8 I was like but ah that is neat. So so i' go inside and I and I get to spend a couple I you know how long I spend because I'm on asset two or three hours with this tour guide and we're just jamming I'm like just pulling all the information out of him and I'm like I'm like well what do you think about this, he goes. |
| 46:13.30 | Max Shank | A. |
| 46:18.69 | mikebledsoe | Oh you're one of those I was like yeah man I don't care like like let's really go there So I got to go there with this guy and basically what I got the conclusion I came to is these monks are sitting in the church in a dark room and they're in there just chanting chanting for days. |
| 46:19.83 | Max Shank | Are in. |
| 46:37.72 | mikebledsoe | Chanting and chant they're getting into these psychedelic states they're doing it through chanting. Maybe they're drinking some wine and chanting and they're getting into this weird state and maybe there's some mushrooms in the wine who the fuck knows and they get these. They get all this information they get they get to have contact. |
| 46:43.57 | Max Shank | Yep. |
| 46:56.58 | mikebledsoe | With the divine this they have this mystical experience that they then get their experience truth in a way that you can't explain to somebody else. But once you have this experience. You go. You know we probably you know. |
| 47:06.12 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 47:13.26 | mikebledsoe | Property rights is a thing and the cat back then the Catholic Church controlled property if you want to buy or sell you know your deed it was held with the Catholic Church and and Notre Damme was ah was it started being built I want to say in 808 or 900 somewhere there and wasn't finished until like well technically still not finished. But. I think it was ah like a none project so it was not a short project. |
| 47:36.19 | Max Shank | Um, the 151516 sounds right to me fifteen sixteen hundred I can't recall maybe as late as 17 |
| 47:43.49 | mikebledsoe | Well I think they then I think they may have had like a finishing point but then they started up again and depending on who was who was who believed what at the time they would like tear down a statue and put a different statue up and all the shit. Yeah. |
| 47:51.63 | Max Shank | Rebuilding and building. |
| 47:59.10 | Max Shank | Funky right? I remember there were some cool statues and like gargoyles and devils on the outside and shut like that there. It was actually the outside was super hardcore I remember looking at that for a long time. There was a lot of angels and demons. |
| 48:01.37 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, it's like like super hardcore. |
| 48:14.38 | mikebledsoe | And Mary with Mary with a torch surrounded by gargoyles and yeah, it's fucking wild and so um, so I I got thinking about it and I got to appreciate I go all these peasants outside they're giving them gifts because they come out. |
| 48:15.38 | Max Shank | Devils and freaky shit. Yeah, you know that would. |
| 48:33.28 | mikebledsoe | After days of chanting go I got the message I had a meeting with god I had this divine mystical experience and you know what Don not don't try to fuck your buddys wife you know, ah and you shouldn't steal shit and you know what I mean like. |
| 48:49.10 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 48:52.30 | mikebledsoe | All these rules were created by the church. Um, but they're not they weren't new but like there was other rules like they had you know the church was running shit back then they were really running shit until around the fifteen hundreds and so um, ah. |
| 48:55.35 | Max Shank | Um, well those aren't new ideas though at that point either. |
| 49:03.78 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 49:11.68 | mikebledsoe | I Really just got a big appreciation for religion at that point because I go well for me to expect for everybody to have had I've had a lot of mystical experiences. You know that the meeting with God has happened several times where. |
| 49:23.44 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 49:29.44 | mikebledsoe | I Go into this really deep state and things become very obvious and the behaviors that follow like oh yeah I should change this I shouldn't shouldn't behave like this anymore like this because I'm at a blindment with this other thing and so as like I'm just making myself miserable. |
| 49:35.35 | Max Shank | What. |
| 49:47.91 | mikebledsoe | So when I first had that experience I go everybody should have this experience and then after years of promoting people to have this experience I Realized a ah most people are not willing to have the experience. They're not. They're not even curious about it. It's not interesting to them and then B some people. |
| 49:52.47 | Max Shank | Um I. |
| 50:02.82 | Max Shank | And. |
| 50:06.73 | mikebledsoe | Become curious about it and they probably shouldn't have touched it because they don't they couldn't they they can't handle. There's they don't have enough like some type of mental construct in order to handle the the weight of that experience because you're going from 0 to 60 |
| 50:24.37 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 50:26.10 | mikebledsoe | And ah and a split second with some of these things. Um, and so. |
| 50:29.42 | Max Shank | Yeah, it's way faster than chanting. It's like you can achieve kind of a similar experience with a lot of different things like you can get the runners high or you can just ah smoke a blunt or something like that you can chant for three days or you can just drop some acid. |
| 50:41.10 | mikebledsoe | Totally yeah. |
| 50:47.13 | Max Shank | And so we have all these shortcuts to get into that state and I think it's a connected and receptive state. It allows you to see past your own illusion I think it it temporarily depending on the dosage right. |
| 51:03.32 | mikebledsoe | Yep. |
| 51:04.40 | Max Shank | Temporarily takes away that tight grip on the um ego that you've built essentially as a suit of armor to survive the environment that you live in and we live in an environment where stories matter quite a lot I Mean. Like the the reality of how I am on a day-to-day. Basis is so different than from what you would find if you just searched for me on the internet. You would think that all I do is play Sports lift weights. |
| 51:33.37 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 51:40.74 | Max Shank | And dance in my backyard with my shirt off but I call it mobility instead of dancing and that would be That's like the whole thing. That's that's the illusion that's out there. So whatever. Whatever avatar you project out you you use it. Maybe not as armor maybe almost as like a scuba suit to enter the environment of society that we're in so it's natural that you would want to do that. You'd want to have armor plating you'd want to have these ah pretty colors on this avatar. So people really like it and maybe someone will even love you. If Your feathers are are pretty enough and so everything is just reinforcing these ideas but it's still coming from like a lizard brain type of desire and so it's no wonder that people are a little tangled up. Like in like a ah web of self and parents and teachers and fame and shame and blame and all these different things like that's why when you were like oh people are just children I'm like yeah they're like often abused children and abuse is like. It happens in so many different ways. It's like ah probably like 1 of the least popular things to talk about is rape but the only problem with rape is the lack of consent because nearly everybody is on board with sex and a lot of people from both genders like raping. Also. But that's like maybe even another. Ah, that's a different can of worms that I'm not not looking to unpack right now off the cuff because well look. It's um. |
| 53:23.68 | mikebledsoe | Why'd you even mention it. |
| 53:29.53 | Max Shank | People have their boundaries crossed in a lot of different ways and the the thing is it's that feeling of having your boundary crossed and so people feel um, abused or diminished or beaten down or taken from in a lot of different ways and so it's like. That idea that ah wherever you get wounded the bone grows back twice as strong like the calcification is like your personality from all these miniature traumas you've had and if someone's. Forcing you to do None thing or another they're still forcing you to do None thing or another and how you can harmonize that into the future is going to determine how you find the world and you know there are different levels of trauma. But if you're not willing to let it go. You are just going to go ah equal and opposite to that force basically right. |
| 54:25.32 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 54:31.37 | Max Shank | Ah, yeah, So I'm not Surprised. People are all all twisted up with identity and perception and I know personally I've found a lot of peace through trying to see things as they are. And it's not something that is like on off switch but it can happen really fast all at once. In fact, just for anyone listening. It's kind of an interesting thing in my experience. It's not a linear progress on this sort of. Thinking it All. It's like giant leaps forward and then a little plateau and then a giant leap forward and then a little Plateau I don't know what it's been like for you. But. |
| 55:17.51 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it? um well the giant leaps forward or never yeah, they can be difficult. But yeah, it seems like seems like there's this giant leap forward then I got to stabilize the jump right? There's not a. So like oh I jump forward and everything's Great. It's like oh now because in those giant leaps especially if you have a shift in your own identity then everybody in your life. You're about to ah destroy their expectations of you. The stability is gone. |
| 55:37.27 | Max Shank | But. |
| 55:49.48 | Max Shank | Well, the Stability's gone right? The stability. |
| 55:54.85 | mikebledsoe | There's chaos it creates chaos and it creates chaos for your friends and your family because they can count on you to behave like this whether it's a good behavior or not and they're even looking to count on. They're counting on you to behave poorly and then all of a sudden you do something in order to be successful. |
| 56:05.51 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 56:13.73 | mikebledsoe | And they may even get mad at you about it. They like like I've I've had people in the past that were like mad that I was successful enough to where I didn't have to run my gym anymore they were like oh you're like leaving. |
| 56:17.74 | Max Shank | They'll definitely get mad at you about it. A lot of the time. |
| 56:26.48 | Max Shank | A. |
| 56:30.18 | mikebledsoe | Things behind you, you're you're changing and you're a different person like and they're mad about it I go Well yeah, that was isn't that the point like what do you think I was doing all this work for to stay the same. |
| 56:34.66 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, yeah, dude I remember that I remember the one that made me laugh The hardest um I fired this guy who worked for me because he was lying to me. |
| 56:54.19 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 56:54.45 | Max Shank | And if I can't trust someone. It's basically like see you later you know and 1 of the members at my gym texted me and said I can't believe you did this. You're really ruining my happiness. |
| 57:05.62 | mikebledsoe | Ah, you're in charge of their happiness. All of a sudden. |
| 57:11.00 | Max Shank | I just thought it was so funny. It was like anything different. This guy's like totally lost it and you know there are two sides to every story right? So there's no point in trying to have like an argument about its rightness or wrongness it. It just is what it is. It's like that Mark Twain quote how his. Taylor was the only reasonable person because he took his measurement new every time instead of measuring him against how he was in the past and dude absolutely like if you quit drinking I think that's ah one that a lot of people relate to you know. |
| 57:34.38 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 57:45.54 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah. |
| 57:48.86 | Max Shank | Ah, used to be a bit of a party animal or just ah, a different type of party animal and as soon as you stop as soon as you stop doing that They're like what do? what are you doing? You're you're like ditching us. Oh you're too good for us or something I guess like no man like just doing a different thing. |
| 57:51.25 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I had the same thing quit drinking. Yeah. |
| 58:03.26 | mikebledsoe | Well it kind of sucks when you stop drinking because I had this experience I remember it was yeah it's like well 20 I remember it was like 2013 and i. |
| 58:12.44 | Max Shank | That's where our culture has fun for adults. That's like the place. |
| 58:21.61 | mikebledsoe | I had to actually cut back on drinking a little bit up to that point not completely I started smoking a little bit of weed when I was my and 2011 so I started smoking weed because I didn't like how I was behaving when I was on alcohol I was. Blacking out I was doing and saying stupid shit. Um I was around like my gym members. You know I'd be out at a bar with gym members. The next thing you know like like what what did I say last night I don't even know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the next day is like. |
| 58:52.55 | Max Shank | Feeling of up. |
| 58:57.14 | mikebledsoe | I Just I don't know what I did but I got this feeling. It wasn't good. You know, ah and so I cut back the drink and I I discovered that weed if I smoked a little weed before I went out I would drink way less and then weed would make me way less aggressive. |
| 58:59.53 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 59:14.18 | mikebledsoe | So I could still be out I could still be sociable. |
| 59:14.87 | Max Shank | Um, oh you think Alcohol alcohol is like so crazy when you think about it that we're just like yeah whatever you can have it have as much as you want? whatever. |
| 59:21.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but I was using the weed to like offset the you know it calm me down and and then I would just drink less and because I was already kind of feeling it if I drink too much while being high that ah that. Wasn't fun I would I would hit it. |
| 59:40.75 | Max Shank | But it sounds like yeah I mean it sounds like you got to that point where you were ah using your intuition and getting curious about it instead of just writing the momentum of like oh it's Friday let's all get drunk because that's just what we do and I think a lot of folks. |
| 59:52.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah now. |
| 01:00:00.12 | Max Shank | Maybe don't even like it that much. They just want to be liked so they'll do the thing that gets people to like them. You know, drinking can be a competition that you can win speaking of life as a game. |
| 01:00:04.36 | mikebledsoe | Well, it's. |
| 01:00:12.87 | Max Shank | As soon as I figured that out I was like hey I bet I could poison myself twice as fast as you motherfucker and that everyone's like yeah you did it. |
| 01:00:19.94 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, if you ever win a drink game. It doesn't It's never as cool as you think it's gonna be and a lot of people need that liquid courage. You know like it's the only way they can. It's like ah well it's it's it's well they have to like D It's like. |
| 01:00:34.52 | Max Shank | Be sexual. It's the only way they can like let their guard down. |
| 01:00:39.39 | mikebledsoe | It detaches them from themselves enough to where they can just kind of let loose. But anyways I digress I um so in 2013 I started eating way more psychedelic mushrooms and then after my None big psychedelic mushroom experience. |
| 01:00:44.50 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 01:00:56.66 | mikebledsoe | I cut out alcohol a hundred percent I |
| 01:01:00.40 | Max Shank | Dude, we should do a series of shows on a different substance every week guys. We're gonna start it. Nice and simple coffee week. One is coffee nice and simple week two. We bring out a little booze week 3 weed week 4 |
| 01:01:03.90 | mikebledsoe | Ah, it's not the None time I've heard this pitch. |
| 01:01:12.40 | mikebledsoe | I want to do it now I want to do it's a lead magnet. It's a lead magnet. We'll do 10 shows on 10 different substances and there's ah the lead magnet is that you can um you have to figure out which substance we were on. It's a mystery. |
| 01:01:17.14 | Max Shank | Okay, we're going to go in Spain. |
| 01:01:31.10 | mikebledsoe | During the show and if you can match it up successfully you get a prize. Yeah, you have to like you know label it. There's gonna be 10 shows 10 substances definitely social security number. Um yeah I think that's a great idea. So. |
| 01:01:32.90 | Max Shank | Um, and you only get None guess. You got to enter your social security number. |
| 01:01:49.87 | mikebledsoe | Started eating mushrooms and I cut out alcohol completely and I was the guy you know I owned the gym I was I had a a house with a big backyard at a pool and you know I I bought the house because it was a great place to entertain guests. So I'm throwing these parties I got a keg in the backyard like we're doing everything. |
| 01:01:52.25 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:02:08.74 | mikebledsoe | I'm not drinking and it's not 1 those things where I'm like I'm trying not to drink is just like I really just don't give a fuck about having a drink at all like someone can hand me a beer and it's like 0 desire. Yeah. |
| 01:02:09.43 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:02:20.10 | Max Shank | But well you got something better something that that suits you better. That's what it's about right? It's like let's get intuitive about the different medicines that we're applying. |
| 01:02:28.91 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and so I just remember this one afternoon I've got a bunch of people in my house were standing in a circle. Everyone's got a red solo cup in their hand I'm drinking water and I'm happy as a clam. And I probably smoked a little bit of weed. Um, but I kept on trying to have conversations that had way more depth than what I would have when I was on alcohol and I just remember people looking at me weird I Remember people getting uncomfortable and walking away and it was. |
| 01:02:54.51 | Max Shank | Or you can. |
| 01:03:06.10 | mikebledsoe | It was all of a sudden there was this barrier between me and the people who I had been getting drunk with for years and having a good time with and when I look back and I go oh I just wasn't meeting their expectation of who they believe Mike Bletzo to be. They didn't know what to do with me and in fact. |
| 01:03:20.41 | Max Shank | Inhale. |
| 01:03:23.72 | mikebledsoe | Probably didn't weren't that interested in talking to me because they were wanting to talk to a guy that was more like who I was behaving like and so. |
| 01:03:31.56 | Max Shank | And I mean your cells are all changing except for like neurons basically throughout your whole life. They're they're dividing and dying and dividing and dying. They're going through this process of death and rebirth and so. |
| 01:03:38.33 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:03:50.75 | Max Shank | If most of your cells are different seven years later wouldn't like you also be quite different seven years later and the fact of the matter is your brain and the pathways in your brain can change way way faster. |
| 01:03:57.28 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely. |
| 01:04:10.50 | mikebledsoe | Well yeah, the first was it in and exercise science I remember we were studying is like the majority of the results that people get in their performance in the first 12 weeks of training are due to new motor patterns new. It's your nervous system that's adapting. That's why you're that's why you got strong so fast. |
| 01:04:10.32 | Max Shank | Then like your bones and you. |
| 01:04:29.88 | mikebledsoe | After that now it has more to has less to do with the nervous system and more to do with the muscle mass or whatever other things that need to structurally change. But yeah, the nervous system can change really fast. Yeah. |
| 01:04:40.79 | Max Shank | Right? You're just using what you have better. You're just using what you have better when you get those neurological adapt changes adaptations. Yeah. |
| 01:04:50.12 | mikebledsoe | Thanks for putting in plain english. |
| 01:04:55.94 | Max Shank | Ah, fucking got me. |
| 01:05:01.69 | Max Shank | Um, and let's see we started with ah symbols and records and record keeping and now we're at the the record of your self which is in your Dna. Also we got your brain. |
| 01:05:11.47 | mikebledsoe | Yep. |
| 01:05:19.45 | Max Shank | Which is within your single life and then you got your Dna which is a long long very tightly bound record of all of the things that need direction for cell production. |
| 01:05:34.99 | mikebledsoe | That's ah, that's a great theory I think that that I think that's a a piece of it I've I've ah I've thought about this a bit the Dna thing yeah the Dna thing I think there's a lot we know about Dna I think that we can do a Dna test and we can find out our ancestry. |
| 01:05:43.29 | Max Shank | Um, tell me more tell me tell me more about it older we can match Dna we can match it. That's that's a good start. |
| 01:05:52.85 | mikebledsoe | Ah, figure out what part all that. But but here's a thing when they start looking at ah Dna of different ah species like humans have more their Dna has more in common with like some insect I forget which one it is. |
| 01:06:05.58 | Max Shank | E. |
| 01:06:12.57 | mikebledsoe | Then a fucking chimp and I look at that and I go we don't We don't know um wish I had it? Yeah please um there. Ah. |
| 01:06:18.24 | Max Shank | Um I don't know this one I'm going to fact, check this when the show's over. |
| 01:06:31.44 | mikebledsoe | Well I remember reading that story and I was like and people were like whoa. You know that's crazy I Go Yeah, that's crazy. It just tells me that we don't know nearly ah the amount that we think we know about what comprises who we are. Ah. |
| 01:06:49.35 | Max Shank | It's weird because we know almost nothing and we know a lot at the same time sometimes it's like the difference between knowledge and wisdom. It's like knowledge is knowing which Dna sequence is responsible for. |
| 01:07:06.34 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 01:07:06.94 | Max Shank | Sickle cell anemia. For example, like that's very, that's very consistent and repeatable so that would be something and be like oh yeah, that's that's pretty wild so there. That's how that basically happens right? and then there's also ah. Like way more that we don't understand about Dna I mean the way that it wraps itself up I think ah maybe Drew Barry Drew Barry is the Youtube channel you can watch like a little animation of. Dna moving around. |
| 01:07:46.15 | mikebledsoe | We're gonna be able to show that um I see animals that share human Dna sequences apes monkeys and humans um mice dogs chickens. |
| 01:07:49.81 | Max Shank | Oh man, Yeah, this is wild. |
| 01:08:02.49 | mikebledsoe | Ah, now it's just it's some article from some school. It wasn't very good information. |
| 01:08:04.59 | Max Shank | Does it show the different percentages because I'm guessing a chimp is more than a chicken. |
| 01:08:13.61 | Max Shank | But that's the record that's been kept basically that that's the record of how to direct resources I mean that's the record that's being played. That's the record that's being played. |
| 01:08:18.96 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it is a record it is a record what my my my my thing is it's not in ah in the narrative. Well I would say. |
| 01:08:31.24 | Max Shank | No, that's the record that's being played in your body is your Dna is unzipping and rezipping itself up to make stuff. |
| 01:08:37.50 | mikebledsoe | Well I would just I would just say it's a record not the record I think there's way more. There's some shit we don't know. |
| 01:08:43.40 | Max Shank | Um, tell me more. There's like a little chip in my Pineil Gland or something like that like a calcium I don't know either. |
| 01:08:51.19 | mikebledsoe | Maybe I don't know I don't know what it is but I think it's I think it's a lot I think it's a lot safer like I think there's plenty of evidence and evidence to show that Dna There were so many things that they thought that would be solved by ah, sequencing the genome. |
| 01:09:10.50 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 01:09:10.85 | mikebledsoe | And none of it came true and it's because it's it's I don't think it's telling as big of a story as they once thought it was going to be telling So I I think I think there's something Beyond Dna that is still yet to be discovered. That's going to. We're going to find plays a much bigger role. |
| 01:09:18.79 | Max Shank | Um, you know why. |
| 01:09:28.81 | Max Shank | Oh my gosh. |
| 01:09:29.26 | mikebledsoe | So I just like to hold that perspective because that's the perspective that keeps people looking and being curious versus saying that you know this is the this is the one and only true god. |
| 01:09:35.68 | Max Shank | E. Well here's how I would say it here's how I would say it is Dna is the ah program that's being run but there are a lot of factors that determine how your Dna is expressed how it's bound up. It's packaged whether we're going to copy this part of the code or that part of the code it changes based on how much sunlight you get it changes based on the different hormones that are working in your body I mean you have all of these different pieces playing together and so. To take back. Take it back to you know some semblance of objectivism. It's clear that the way you think the way you label things the way you um, retell tell and retail different experiences has an influence. On your physical body including the way your Dna is expressed so that's epigenetics right? So after you're already alive you have this relationship to your environment that's in a state of constant flux and your body. Just always like yeah we'll adapt to that we'll adapt it and it's happening so many times on such a small level that you can't really track it um, but just to keep it very practical. What you think is influencing ah the hormones it's influencing your digestion it's going to influence. How your Dna is expressed same thing with sunlight so there are all these external factors and what I'm getting to is from a practical standpoint you got to just start out with a few things that are really big boosters. You know things that very clearly. Lift you up to a higher state. Ah not necessarily drugs but it could be drugs that lifts you up to a higher state right? That's going to be what to that's going to be what determines your life. Basically. |
| 01:11:41.72 | mikebledsoe | Temporarily. |
| 01:11:45.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and I like to think about it and um, we have we have states and then we have stages and like states are things that we we visit like we may have like a state of consciousness. It's like oh that's temporary. Your state is changing. |
| 01:11:57.57 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:12:04.38 | mikebledsoe | All the time it changes if you if you breathe really shallow and fast versus breathing really deep and slow that's going to change your state Now that's going to make an impact on how you perceive things. Um up. |
| 01:12:11.85 | Max Shank | A. |
| 01:12:17.94 | Max Shank | And how should you breathe. How should how should you breathe I mean it's like nutrition. Ah you should never breathe through your mouth or you should breathe through your mouth every day as fast as possible. Yeah. |
| 01:12:22.50 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 01:12:36.38 | Max Shank | You should always breathe as slow as possible or you should never hold your breath and never strain your breath I mean I can I can follow. Ah, the logic of most of those recommendations and they totally contradict each other. So once again, no wonder things are confusing the superstitions are all over the map in terms of how we should eat how we should manage our finances how we should move how we should even fucking breathe so that. Is probably what makes that simplicity so attractive. |
| 01:13:12.35 | mikebledsoe | You just made me want to look up the etymology of superstition. So I feel like that's like a very accurate way of talking about we tomorrow superstition. Um. |
| 01:13:28.30 | Max Shank | Alternate definition language you're fucked you just hit the center. The first use of superstition was just called language. It's like the snake eating its own tail I don't know what you're going to think you're going to find. |
| 01:13:30.95 | mikebledsoe | And I say what. |
| 01:13:40.96 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, ah was a ah. |
| 01:13:45.12 | Max Shank | I Means you you know Green Monkeys You know Green Monkeys have different calls for whether a hawk is coming or a tiger is coming and they will lie so that the other monkeys will look away so they can steal a banana. |
| 01:13:59.56 | mikebledsoe | A. |
| 01:14:03.75 | Max Shank | That's superstition hey look out. There's an eagle up there. Maybe that's not quite superstition. |
| 01:14:06.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well. The definition here is an irrational belief that an object action or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences. Its outcome number None a belief practice or right irrationally maintained by ignorance of laws of nature or by faith and magic or chance. And None a fearful abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality man. |
| 01:14:30.84 | Max Shank | Kind of back to curses on that last's definition the first one ah is just like a skinner box. Um, they did a lot of and experiments with a skinner box. Bf Skinner was the guy's name and they put a button inside the box. And they put a little feed thing and the feed thing was not connected to the button. It was just on a timer but the pigeon I think builds an association with the button in the food. So. It's just fucking pecking this button nonstop because it has now. Ah. Has this superstition that if it hits the button the right way or enough times that the food will come out but it's just on a timer and then what's funny is this guy who did a show called mind field and he did a show called vsauce before on Youtube pretty huge channel actually he did the same thing with people. In a box and a dollar bill dispenser and it worked the same way. So so people are just like hitting this button that doesn't do anything and dollar bills are coming out on a timer and they're hitting it different ways and it's like man we think we're so different than these other animals and we are but we we are super different and we're. |
| 01:15:42.89 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 01:15:49.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, ah the the use of the word superstitions I brought up I read this book a while back called most dangerous superstition or the most dangerous superstition by Larkin Rose |
| 01:15:50.98 | Max Shank | Like just the same. Yeah. |
| 01:16:08.21 | mikebledsoe | It's interesting because I won't tell people exactly what the superstition is but it's a easy read. It's like less than 100 pages and and it's it's good. It's good. It'll it'll change your thinking around some things. Ah, but. |
| 01:16:14.78 | Max Shank | You tease. |
| 01:16:25.37 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that's my my book recommendation of the day speaking of superstition. It'll it it demonstrates. Ah it demonstrates how deep a superstition can get into a culture to where people just think that that's the way it is. |
| 01:16:27.40 | Max Shank | On. |
| 01:16:42.99 | mikebledsoe | And he he takes this one superstition and he just surrounds it and then something that you believe is actually necessary at the end you may think is not really that necessary. |
| 01:16:54.74 | Max Shank | Yo, let's get back to what's truly necessary that's a cluster fucking and of itself I mean how about how about the concept of a weekend that's just made up. We made that shit up. There's there's lunar cycles that shit. |
| 01:17:03.41 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, got yeah. |
| 01:17:13.94 | Max Shank | There's lunar cycles. There's solar cycles. There's days. There's years. There's months that shit makes sense a weekend a weekend. What the fuck is a weekend say we could look this up. But yeah. |
| 01:17:17.70 | mikebledsoe | Although the week is made up or the an entire week like once you once you get once you get down to like the lunar cycle then is the daily cycle I think it's just ah, some dudes got together and said you know we need to have. We need to split this twenty eight days after Twenty nine days up a little more ah huh yeah for working well and you know the the jews did it none with the the sabbath. You know you got one day off you, you don't do shit for one day |
| 01:17:37.67 | Max Shank | 5 on 2 off 5 on 2 offs like for working. Basically. |
| 01:17:53.58 | Max Shank | Um, I also thought it was weird that the the word weak is the same as the word weak like the opposite of strong and on the weekend you will be weakened. Oh really? yeah I'm sure there is but I don't know if it's. |
| 01:17:54.26 | mikebledsoe | And then. |
| 01:18:02.14 | mikebledsoe | There's a whole Youtube video on this. You'll be weakened. She also goes into and in the morning. What what are you mourning. |
| 01:18:14.14 | Max Shank | Totally I've been saying happy day to people I've been saying happy day to people for a while now because I noticed. |
| 01:18:15.22 | mikebledsoe | Did you lose something Did you have a loss. There's a there's a group people that say Grand rising. |
| 01:18:27.42 | Max Shank | Heavy I like it. Wow that sounds way cooler. No question. Ah. |
| 01:18:27.43 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, met with Grand rising instead of good morning. Yeah. |
| 01:18:37.38 | mikebledsoe | Ah, get some weird looks walk up the hotel Hotel desk Clerk Grand rising to you. Ah I think we should ah about that time to wrap it up. Ah. |
| 01:18:42.65 | Max Shank | Grand rising sounds like a Friday night type of Maneuver Grand rising um, yeah, why don't you why don't you let everybody know what the point of our conversation was today. |
| 01:18:58.62 | mikebledsoe | The point man to reduce the burden of your stories to to find the cure for your curses and to get more in touch with. |
| 01:19:02.76 | Max Shank | Are. |
| 01:19:14.32 | mikebledsoe | Reality even though none of us really have the opportunity to do that. |
| 01:19:17.76 | Max Shank | Um, thought we had some good stuff about intuitive accounting intuitive eating and intuitive movement and it kind of it kind of relates back to the superstitions thing that we closed out on so we have this idea. Ah, which is a beautiful concept of intuitive blank intuitive movement intuitive eating intuitive Accounting. Ah, but if you don't have that foundation ahead of time your intuition will just be very um, like easy easily Trickable. You'll be easy to trick and you're probably just writing the momentum of whatever superstition you were exposed to so whatever your environmental stimuli were you'll you'll just you know intuit on that. As opposed to building up that vocabulary and that also is going to make you feel more confident in what you do when you have ah when you can speak the language. You know that's kind of related to that concept of Fear. Really only being about the Unknown. So Um I think that actually works out pretty nicely. We have all these records Some of them are pure superstition. Some of them are observable and repeatable and that's really Cool. Um. But unless you get curious. You will probably just fall into superstition very very easily and yeah I think that's it the other the other part though is good. |
| 01:21:00.21 | mikebledsoe | I Like that if you're if you're not if you're not curious. You're susceptible to superstition. Yep. |
| 01:21:08.65 | Max Shank | And confirmation bias right? like both both of those are antithetical to curiosity and I I Really do think Man. Ah Curiosity is the way to um. Harmonize with the unknown in the future. It takes the future from something that you are afraid of to something that you are curious or perhaps even excited about and that relationship with the unknown is a big contributor to how someone ah participates. In the world. Be it A ride a game or a show or whatever. So um, you know we're full of superstitions get curious about it. We'll probably still die with a lot of superstitions that we still believe at the end of it all. |
| 01:22:04.35 | mikebledsoe | Except for max and I we're gonna be enlightened by the end. All y'all go check max out at http://maxschank.com and you can check out some of stuff I got going on over at http://thestrongcoach.com we got a summit coming up in. |
| 01:22:05.17 | Max Shank | But we'll do our best to get curious anyway. |
| 01:22:10.96 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 01:22:24.10 | mikebledsoe | Middle of September I recommend you come? Yeah, oh yeah, and oh yeah I got talk to you about that? Yeah there. Ya'll. |
| 01:22:25.30 | Max Shank | O Still got a few spots. Hu Ah, yeah, yeah, we'll talk later bye. |
This week's episode is for courageous people only. The topics we discuss in it will challenge you as they touch on deep Truths that many would rather distract themselves from
If you’re like most people, you’d rather distract and delude yourself from the actual Truth than you would face it and overcome it. As a result, you’re likely living a reality that’s a few degrees removed from True Reality…
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| 00:00.00 | Max Shank | All right? Welcome back to Monday morning with max and Mike we're talking about launch pads. We're talking about ramps. We're talking about Trebuches. We're talking about flinging things a mighty distance this applies to both physics and also business That's what I'm excited about. I don't want to go out there and go fishing. You know one pole at a time I want to be able to deliver a tremendous payload at a great distance. You know what I mean and have it create a very massive effect. But in order to do that. You got to spend a lot more time with the building of it. It's like fishing pole pretty easy to build water wheel significantly harder to build but greater impact lot more work ahead of time and then you take it all the way to something like a rocket which can or a power plant. Can deliver a tremendous amount of power but it requires a huge amount of upfront work and because I've done a lot of biz coaching with people I feel like that that is the number None thing that. Separates people who create an exponential growth in their business is the ones who are willing to do the setup time to make something that is a more sophisticated leverage and force multiplier. You know what? I'm saying. |
| 01:27.51 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I Think the None thing you got to consider in that case is does what you want to build actually solve a problem and um I think a lot of people you know think I think a lot of people start businesses based on something they Like. Or something you know around what it is that they want to do which works sometimes because they figured out. They've solved some problem for themselves and they they can help other people through a product or service. Um, but I'm a big fan of of seeing if it's the right Poll. Before I go launch a hundred of them like I don't want to put the wrong bait on my hook I could be I could be catching the wrong fish or I could be catching no fish at All. So I would use one pole make. |
| 02:16.13 | Max Shank | I like I like the fishing analogy. The fishing analogy is good because people are about as smart as fish. |
| 02:24.18 | mikebledsoe | Ah, it's true. Ah so no, but like it's good to put figure out if if it you know test with one poll or maybe test with 20 polls all with different bait. What um, keeps popping off is now we're pulling the hooks out and we're replacing all them with that one Bait I think that. That's like the I've been thinking about the business as ah, especially like a coaching business as a triangle at the bottom you have you have your offer and then one of the sides is marketing and the other sides is the fulfillment. The coaching aspect. Find that most people and the way this would work is like what are you selling? How do you market it and then how do you fulfill on it whether it's a coaching business or not and. |
| 03:12.98 | Max Shank | Ah, right? How do you? How do you educate them about it and how do you get it to them. So like the bottom is what is it and then one side is how do you tell the right people about how do they know about it and then how do you get it to them I like it. |
| 03:19.16 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 03:25.32 | mikebledsoe | Exactly exactly so but I find them I know you do triangles are the best sturdy pointed can penetrate well and super hard to tip over. |
| 03:31.46 | Max Shank | Also I like triangles. |
| 03:36.87 | Max Shank | So I mean they're not hexagons. But they're really cool. |
| 03:44.95 | mikebledsoe | Ah, so well depends on what kind of time go with oh let's hear it. |
| 03:46.11 | Max Shank | You know my favorite ah Buckminster Fuller joke he's ah he goes ah is well. It's more of a statement I guess he goes. Ah why do architects build square houses. So engineers can put triangles in them. |
| 04:08.49 | mikebledsoe | I I like it I like it. Yeah yeah, tons of triangles. Yeah, None of triangles. Yeah yeah, without that your shit's going to get fucked up. So um. |
| 04:10.73 | Max Shank | And if you you've done a bunch of house framing and stuff like that too before right? So you have these rectangle boxes that are just full of triangles. You better have those fuckers in there. |
| 04:28.22 | mikebledsoe | Well, it just won't even look right. |
| 04:31.44 | Max Shank | No oh it's going to go over without some triangles in there. Yeah. |
| 04:32.86 | mikebledsoe | Just kind of push it over Ah yeah, so I like thinking about this because I more often than not when I bump into an entrepreneur either a new entrepreneur or an entrepreneur suffering None times out of None It's the the bottom. Part of the pyramid. It's the offer. It's the it's the what they're selling. Um, yeah, yeah sand at the beach. Yeah, and so so somebody you know it's like somebody has these air things people think that it's a marketing problem. |
| 04:55.12 | Max Shank | Sand at the beach like why would you want to do that to yourself. Ah yeah. |
| 05:10.66 | mikebledsoe | And I'm like it's not a marketing like does anyone want what you're selling in the None place when it's not a marketing problem like your offers should be the thing you're offering should be an obvious solution if it's not obvious solution then there's more work to be done there. Um, some people in business would say that the development of the offer is a function of the marketing department. Which I don't necessarily disagree disagree with but so is the fulfillment. They kind of all bleed into each other. Yeah, So so if you so if you nail down a solid offer and then you just. |
| 05:33.74 | Max Shank | I Think marketing marketing is part of the offer for sure. Yeah. |
| 05:49.30 | mikebledsoe | Funnel as many people towards that that one offer not now you got a winning formula. |
| 05:53.48 | Max Shank | Well, and even even better. Is you you set up your shop within a current flow of consciousness directed at that specific thing and I mean Youtube has been a game changer in this because. There's just such a bigger library of things that are searchable if you have questions that need solving and if you if you meet people where they're at and you match their pace. They don't notice that you're a fisherman. Basically you just kind of enter the conversation that they're already having. |
| 06:16.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 06:31.96 | Max Shank | And the the finesse of that offer is really.. It's the same as seduction for the most part. That's why so many of these great copywriters were like pickup artist stuff before then because it's all about getting someone from I don't know. To yes, right? And so however, you craft that that story that is entering that person's mind is going to guide their next decisions. |
| 07:02.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, what are we talking about toy forgot about our topic since you made it you may you you made it up. Ah oh yeah, oh. |
| 07:09.95 | Max Shank | Triangles we were talking about lot. No no, we were talking talking about launch pads launch pads rocket ships trebute none fishing from fishing poles to ah nuclear power plants. Ah we're we're just trying to eat and fuck right. That's really what it comes down to we want to make sure that we're safe. We want to get enough calories. We want to continue our genes we we insist that the genes get carried forward every animal and plant is like None sure about that part of the equation like definitely more of us and we just that's life baby more of us. Ah so it's all about energy. It's all about conserving calories. It's always it's also about um, expanding the mass. |
| 07:49.71 | mikebledsoe | That's life. Yeah I. |
| 08:05.26 | Max Shank | Of the tribe which is also like a stored energy kind of calorie thing. It's like ah it's like the size of the tribe is your energy bank and actually in dune they talk about how the tribe shares the water ah like everybody shares all the water and then if 1 guy dies they suck the water out and like it's all about. |
| 08:07.27 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. Yeah, about if. |
| 08:23.63 | mikebledsoe | Well, it's ah yeah I mean unless you have a tribe where half of the tribe ah is useless Now that's a drain on the energy. |
| 08:24.97 | Max Shank | Just ah pooling those re pooling those resources. |
| 08:36.65 | Max Shank | True but that has happened for a long time I mean we we ah well and it's and it's ah it's uncertain of what the utility is in some of those cases like ah, there's that grandmother idea where there's the wisdom that. |
| 08:40.64 | mikebledsoe | I Know that's why I bring it up. |
| 08:56.24 | Max Shank | Passed on like why would I'm not saying this to be crude, but like why would a lady stay alive and go through Menopause like why would they stop being able to bear children and maybe it's ah like physical. Ah. Power but I think ah that is only exhibited and I think like Orcas and elephants. There aren't that many creatures that go through Menopa and maybe chimps. Also I can't quite remember exactly but it's this idea that there's a ah huge value to. |
| 09:25.88 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 09:33.55 | Max Shank | Them teaching the next generation how to do stuff and with orca they have different hunting techniques based on where they live they have different languages between these different pods. So there's a utility that's not strictly. Ah, hunting gathering or procreating. But I know what you're talking about too. It's like the bigger the percentage of freeloaders are the heavier. The wagon gets and it's still and a simple energy equation right? If you have one ah hundred kilograms in the wagon and you have None guy pulling. It's. Totally fine. But if you suddenly have ten Thousand Kilograms unless it's very ah, good piece of machinery that None guy won't be able to move it. |
| 10:15.94 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it feels like that's where we're at now. So a bunch of people are just jumping in the wagon and not pulling it. But I'm not yeah and um, while'm not blaming them I get it I get it. Well here's the thing. Ah if you lack if you lack. |
| 10:25.46 | Max Shank | Um, hard to blame hard to blame. Yeah yeah, who would very few wouldn't do that. |
| 10:35.90 | mikebledsoe | If you lack the skills to demand a certain amount of money I mean this is what happens we're in inflation right now and but like. |
| 10:42.82 | Max Shank | Oh God here we go again. It's all it's all just about show me a better offer. That's what it's about because if so to be a freeloader to be a freeloader. It's got to be a better offer than the other thing that you are thinking about doing. |
| 10:48.50 | mikebledsoe | It. It's It's exactly right. |
| 10:55.85 | mikebledsoe | Exactly always goes back to incentives with you as well. But the thing is what we have is ah the cost of living is outpacing salaries. So it's not like people's salaries are inflating at the same rate that that's historically. |
| 11:00.75 | Max Shank | Totally. |
| 11:14.28 | mikebledsoe | Been untrue. So like what is true is that the salary state. You know you'll get a 1% raise and you get your dopamine hit and you stick with it but inflation is 10% and so your lifestyle keeps decreasing the people at the top get more money and then so I think a lot of people are just like. |
| 11:15.00 | Max Shank | Right? ah. |
| 11:29.48 | Max Shank | Right? Well if. |
| 11:34.22 | mikebledsoe | Why I can't pay my bills at Fifteen Twenty dollars an hour I can't pay my bills so why work you know it's so I get it. |
| 11:38.50 | Max Shank | Right? right? Don't totally I there's like ah a Bob Newhart joke from like a really long time ago where he talks about working at the ah unemployment office and. He it didn't take him too long before he realized that he was handing out these $60 checks and he was only getting fifty bucks a week and he had to he had to be there all week I mean this has been going on for a long time and the thing that has increased people's quality of life has been technology and maybe quality of life is actually a stretch because I think that you can perhaps live a much higher quality of life with some lower tech. |
| 12:26.57 | mikebledsoe | Well ah, technology technology allows us to leverage its leverage to increase power. So if you put the if you put power in somebody's hand who's going to make choices that don't take them towards a higher quality of life. They're actually going to go to a lower quality life. |
| 12:29.52 | Max Shank | Even though you know there are people you know what I mean exactly more leverage. |
| 12:45.88 | mikebledsoe | Much faster and because there's dopamine that's associated with the tool the technology the dopamine will create the illusion that their lifestyle is improving because now they got a fancier phone or whatever the fuck or more people like their their photo today. |
| 13:01.21 | Max Shank | Um, well they're using that tool but they're just using it at a very like low level way. |
| 13:05.46 | mikebledsoe | Ah, and so so like they think they think that having the tool They think that having the tool is the increase in quality of life when it's the thing that can increase the quality of life exactly. |
| 13:20.52 | Max Shank | It's not the tool. It's what you do with it. That's what like all like every every girl I've ever met has always said that to me, it's not about the tool itself. It's what you do with it. But. |
| 13:26.56 | mikebledsoe | Um, and making you feel better. How the yeah so that's it's not the size of your tool max. |
| 13:33.14 | Max Shank | Ah, yeah I don't know I don't know why I Assume it's ah like this with everybody. That's what I've been told I've been told that so much so much I Wonder if it is though if they're just saying that like. I Just meet all of the most considerate ladies ever. Is there a common denominator here that I haven't considered who so so we're talking we're we're we're talking. |
| 13:54.66 | mikebledsoe | Ah, oh he's going into reflection folks. Ah, we'll see him back in a week absolutely |
| 14:05.93 | Max Shank | We're talking money though. Also right and the size of your wallet is way more important than the size of your genitals fellows for the record fat guys with tiny cocks fat old guys with tiny cocks are out there right now with the most beautiful women in the world If that's your if that's your thing. |
| 14:11.11 | mikebledsoe | When it when it comes to getting getting and having ladies. |
| 14:23.98 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 14:25.19 | Max Shank | You know Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. But the truth is how you do professionally and how you ah carry yourself is going to be way more important and that kind of leads us back to the launch pads. It's this. It's the same kind of thing. Can you defer the gratification. |
| 14:33.11 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, you know I um. |
| 14:43.72 | Max Shank | To build what is necessary so that it has its its own momentum without you pushing it all the time and I think that's what what everybody wants or at least everybody I think maybe should want is something that. |
| 15:00.25 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, there's um, man see if I can find it real quick. Nope Um I was thinking about the ah the myth of it takes money to make money. There's like that that famous phrase. |
| 15:00.60 | Max Shank | Can sustain itself. |
| 15:16.61 | mikebledsoe | It's a meme that floats around in in our culture and it's It's not true. It's ah you need resources to make money and money is also a byproduct of using those resources well and ah you are your primary resources. |
| 15:16.79 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 15:36.53 | mikebledsoe | Um, are basically your ability to observe critically think and problem solve and most people I bring that up because I don't want people to get stuck in the way of thinking that oh I need to have money before I can make money because I think a lot of people. Or or in that mentality by that's exactly right? It's exactly right? So I think that there are certain common phrases out there that are almost intended to keep people from being successful and that's one of them. |
| 15:56.89 | Max Shank | I Need to lose some weight before I join the gym. |
| 16:09.15 | Max Shank | Oh almost or certainly I mean there's mind control everywhere um depends how deep you want to go down that rabbit hole. But even just ah like let's say regular Tv especially as a dude. |
| 16:12.46 | mikebledsoe | Most certainly? yeah yeah. |
| 16:27.99 | Max Shank | It's like how many Tv shows have you seen in your life where the father was a powerful figure with a good set of values and a good. It's ah it's never that it's like some whiny bitch. It's like some whiny bitch like. |
| 16:39.83 | mikebledsoe | Not since the early sixty s. |
| 16:47.15 | Max Shank | Who's always like oh can we have sex wife and the wife never wants to and the guy always does and in reality and in reality in reality. It's like as soon as you get to that age. It's the exact fucking opposite. Are you kidding me like None 50 year old ah in a couple. |
| 16:50.10 | mikebledsoe | That is interesting I never thought about that. |
| 17:06.69 | Max Shank | It's not going to be the guy who's like scrounging for it all the time he's done. It's just it's just a funny ah example where it's not just the commercials. It's just it's not like those rap videos and all that stuff That's ah mind controlling us. It's even um. |
| 17:09.82 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 17:26.61 | Max Shank | Like a Tv show where that's your model that you see and believe and now you think oh that's normal. Not this other thing and whatever you think is normal. That's what you're going to like reinforce. |
| 17:32.32 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I've thought I've thought about this is I remember the first movie I went and saw in a theater I was five years old I don't remember seeing it but my mom told me that the first movie I saw was bambi and. |
| 17:49.51 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 17:51.43 | mikebledsoe | And like I remember growing up and hunting and then people were like oh but you're going to kill bambi you know and I and I was always like well yeah I mean and I think that ah Disney movies are probably primarily responsible for veganism. At this point. |
| 17:58.67 | Max Shank | If yeah. |
| 18:09.57 | Max Shank | What whoa somebody saved that clip Jesus What a claim is off the wall I Love it go on. |
| 18:09.76 | mikebledsoe | Is and. |
| 18:13.35 | mikebledsoe | Well but it's well I mean so if we're talking about mind control and programming how many Disney films have talking animals that have the consciousness of human beings right? And so now what you have is a bunch of adults that think that the animals. Are equal to humans and there's nothing different about the 2 of us and they're people too and these are the types of things that you would most people would never be able to come to that conclusion unless they were None None 3 4 5 none watching animals talk and. This and that I'm not saying that animals don't think and don't have feelings and all that stuff but they're not us. |
| 18:57.89 | Max Shank | I think the main difference is the talking thing I was thinking about this the other day like for example, it's okay, in some cultures to to eat ah a dog right? and and here it's totally okay to eat a pig. And right now that's fine. But if you were to have sex with a pig people would I think that's illegal I think it's ah or at least frowned upon if it's not illegal if it's not illegal. It's at least frowned upon in today's day and age it's because there are a lot of bigoted people out there who are discriminating against the yeah. |
| 19:22.57 | mikebledsoe | I Think it's too legal. |
| 19:36.84 | Max Shank | Beastie Alllet Tours I don't know whatever now picture this tomorrow tomorrow. You know what really grinds my gears is that Ah now imagine tomorrow Switch flipped pigs can speak english. |
| 19:38.39 | mikebledsoe | Got a bone to pick max. Um. |
| 19:52.54 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 19:56.22 | Max Shank | My guess is that the rules would exactly flip I think if pigs could speak English It would be perfectly legit to have sex with them and not okay to eat them anymore I think it's all about whether they can communicate. |
| 20:08.35 | mikebledsoe | Well that that falls right in line with the Disney thing if you're witness lobsters having conversations with squirrels then you know like I can see what could happen for you anyways. |
| 20:23.13 | Max Shank | Which one was the lobsters and the squirrels. |
| 20:27.16 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I was mixing up my movies. So the back to the triangles and fishing poles the the max and I were talking about right before the show is we we would like to put together something. People are listening to this show. They like it I've gotten a few dms of people offering to send us money which we still haven't set up the donation page yet, but it'll get up eventually and um, watch should be None of those things where. |
| 21:00.56 | Max Shank | Please please I'm hungry Please I'm hungry I'll eat I'll eat food. |
| 21:02.10 | mikebledsoe | Thousands of dollars start rolling in and I'm like ah I should have set this up max is he's he's losing weight a pound a week right now he's gonna be nothing here by by Christmas and. |
| 21:18.89 | Max Shank | I'm going on a food strike until those donations start rolling in. There's no way I'm doing that. Ah, okay, so we got the triangle We got the offer. |
| 21:22.57 | mikebledsoe | No, ah so ah so I'm curious I'm curious about what it is that people people want I'm always curious about what is it that people want. Yeah oh well, a I look both. |
| 21:36.60 | Max Shank | Our listeners or or all people. Okay I'll tell you what they want it goes back to um my my 3 levels theory here lizard mammal wizard people. |
| 21:41.99 | mikebledsoe | Both So okay, let's go. |
| 21:56.32 | Max Shank | In Lizard mode. They just want to be safe. They just want food. That's it. They're stuck and if you don't get out of that lizard Brain Mode. You're fucking lizard and you might thrash Around. You might have some sharp fangs and claws. But you're not going to fuck around with love or self-actualization which are the. Higher orders of thinking right? you go to the None tier which is the Mammalian brain the mammal wants to be loved So the lizard wants to be safe. The mammal wants to be loved and of course people will try to substitute ah food for love if they can't find it. At that level. So Let's just go back a step and so if people can get love I'm just always shoveling ice cream trying to fill the void in my heart with frozen cream out of a cow. Ah I Love it. Okay, so. |
| 22:36.72 | mikebledsoe | This explains your ice cream habit. |
| 22:54.55 | Max Shank | You get love as a mammal.. That's what you want and if you can go even beyond that your Self-actualization. You're following your Bliss. You're finding the intersection between doing what you feel totally blissed out doing you're in a flow state and it's good for the tribe. And you're safe. All that stuff is happening. You feel like you are expressing your most authentic or unfiltered self that feels good and of course in order to get to that point you usually need to be safe so secure The lizard Love the mammal. Free The Wizard. That's what people want and the form it takes can be different. Um you know sex and food and whatnot. |
| 23:39.39 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that's what they that's what people want they want they want safety love and after that it's yeah, um, be their best self. |
| 23:48.30 | Max Shank | Self self actualization legacy. Maybe yeah. |
| 23:53.72 | mikebledsoe | Find a lot of people hit self-actualization and want to help other people get the self- actualualization but don't There's not enough people. It's like we've had ah we've hit a tipping point or like ah we've slid back in society a bit good correct. Yeah enough people. There's not enough people that are. |
| 24:03.22 | Max Shank | What do you mean? there aren't enough people who are trying to self-actualize or. |
| 24:13.44 | mikebledsoe | At that point I think with the last couple years. Ah people slid back into survival and so a lot of a lot of the ah lot of people stopped spending money on things that were more in alignment with self-actualization and started. |
| 24:15.61 | Max Shank | Ah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah. |
| 24:31.61 | mikebledsoe | Buying more toilet paper now now we're in a depression. |
| 24:32.70 | Max Shank | Word totally and it's interesting. How the word so closely mirrors the way that people feel when they're um, less Expressive. I Really hone in on that juxtaposition or that comparison between um, shoot I Just lost my train of thought depression expression. Yeah, exactly so being able to fully express yourself like I have a little note Card. It's just a. |
| 24:53.33 | mikebledsoe | A. |
| 24:58.85 | mikebledsoe | Depression expression. |
| 25:09.97 | Max Shank | A small list. It's in ah, a copy of the doubtaging. It's like pocketsized and I realized a while ago for business for fitness the the list of of stuff should be pretty short overall like the general list that you follow through on and for me, it's like. Have sing I have dance I have climb I have swing like a sword or a rope or something like that. So I Just have these like little bullet points. Basically for what I want to do on a daily basis and the more I sing and dance the more expressive I feel and the less. Feel like filtered or damped down and the word expression itself is all about standing out. So It's like to stand and to be like expressed and it's um, it's important to harmonize that I think with. |
| 25:50.59 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 26:07.40 | Max Shank | A feeling of oneness So like the exact opposite of expressing this expressing this unique ah sensation of an individual self and sync back in to the all-encompassing soup. |
| 26:20.92 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it can be done takes practice hold both. Um. |
| 26:27.51 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, you were talking about how we're in a depression now and I don't know if it's that far yet. It's not ah I'm like. |
| 26:35.24 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well, there's there's more jobs available than there are people willing to work the jobs and. |
| 26:42.56 | Max Shank | Now that that sounds like Greece a few years ago where it was like 50 I don't know if there's exact statistics but it was like just an overwhelming amount of people who were working in the government and an overwhelming amount of people who were just getting paid by the government and there was like nobody left who wanted to work. |
| 26:57.69 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well there I think it's just this. Ah this is one of those and this is just one of those times where you're. |
| 27:02.23 | Max Shank | And I get it. |
| 27:09.65 | mikebledsoe | In in business you have to be really good at having that solid offer you actually need to be solving a problem because I think yeah luxury items luxury services be the first to go. |
| 27:18.50 | Max Shank | The less necessary. It is the sooner. It goes gone depending on the demographic. Yeah, and then it almost never changes for them. |
| 27:28.50 | mikebledsoe | Um, unless unless you're serving the 1% and never changes well people. |
| 27:36.40 | Max Shank | It's more individual changes. It's like ah individuals slide in and out of the 1% but as a group the 1% is always there. They're always super wealthy and it always has been since alpha males. |
| 27:44.64 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, in fact, even during it during it during a downturn. They become even more wealthy and that's. |
| 27:52.55 | Max Shank | Yeah, because they have the dry powder to be able to build rocket ships while you're just fishing furiously in the stream with your one pole because you're like fuck I I need to catch None fish today to feed my family I ain't got time to be building a fucking water wheel or a rocket ship or any of that. So you're just furiously swinging your pole in the water and what about him. |
| 28:12.36 | mikebledsoe | This makes me think about ah Jeff Bezos talk about a guy talk about a guy who like set the plan in place. He may not have known he was gonna do what he's doing now but he was a online bookstore. |
| 28:23.60 | Max Shank | Did. Amazing! amazing. |
| 28:29.75 | mikebledsoe | That just slowly added more and more categories of shit to sell and now oh no, they they probably dwarf any other retail. There's no retailer that stands a chance against them. So. |
| 28:36.26 | Max Shank | Here. |
| 28:45.27 | Max Shank | Um, they're so there's they have such incredible economies of scale because they can provide such a crazy value now right? They have that bulk. |
| 28:52.97 | mikebledsoe | Well I think I point that out because I think people think about scale before they think about solving the 1 problem he solved the 1 problem which is you can't find a book at your local bookstore right? once he once he crushed that then he had the ability to to scale. Both. |
| 29:00.25 | Max Shank | I see. Right. |
| 29:12.87 | mikebledsoe | Vertically and horizontally. |
| 29:14.64 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean I remember him saying once people never want something to arrive slower. They never want it to be more expensive and he's like we just basically focus on that and it's not quite like Youtube. Um, but he's connected the buyers and the sellers in a marketplace he is the marketplace and he's got such a huge market share and the delivery. So actually one of the sides of the triangle you were talking about which is the delivery. |
| 29:37.87 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. |
| 29:53.11 | Max Shank | Of that offer or that good or service to the person is I mean what's better. What's better. You can get it same day. You can get it 2 day for free and usually it's a pretty seamless process to return that shit like you go into a coles you fuck. They. |
| 29:56.77 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the feature. |
| 30:11.78 | Max Shank | You print out a label 1 ne-click ordering I mean there's a lot of utility there and it's all software based for the most part that's what's so great because we know that's outrageous leverage and of course Youtube has created um, created a marketplace. Right? A media marketplace where the creators like you and I and the advertisers also like you and I but usually different things can ah basically work together to use that flow of consciousness. So. It's really, a. |
| 30:43.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah Youtube Google Facebook Instagram yeah. |
| 30:48.56 | Max Shank | Oh my god Youtube is such a home run. That's like the most insane I'm so hot on Youtube as a user and as a creator because like the videos I've put up five plus years ago are still getting lots of views and those views a small. |
| 31:01.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 31:07.84 | Max Shank | Percentage converts into people who buy something from me and they're just there they're they're there like I don't even have to pay to have those things there like speaking of you don't need ah money to make money. Of course it's better to have more. It's easier to make money when you have a lot. |
| 31:14.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, um. |
| 31:25.63 | Max Shank | Like that's always been the case you know so. |
| 31:26.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I want to go back to that the Amazon you're talking about people don't want things never want anything slower um in ah Alex hormose's hundred million dollar offers book which is one of the best books on offers I've ever read. Um, if if you're a coach. It's probably the. Like it. It very fits our industry but he talks about getting the 2 things that make something more valuable is speed and effort so less effort faster. An example that he uses in the book is. Why will so why would somebody spend $20000 on liposuction but have a hard time spending a couple thousand dollars on a trainer even though like it's obvious to everyone listening why you wouldn't want to get liposuction. But why can they charge that amount of money and there's. |
| 32:20.79 | Max Shank | The speed and the ease. |
| 32:22.67 | mikebledsoe | No, yeah, there's no um, shortage of people getting their fat rearranged by a surgeon. So. |
| 32:31.97 | Max Shank | Well, it's like a different value system for that individual right? So they think their time is valuable. They don't think that um the cost of having their body sliced open is too high right. |
| 32:47.11 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 32:50.25 | Max Shank | And they think and they believe the cost of exercising for a long time is is too high So simple cost right? It's simple cost benefit and when we talk about cost um calories in time are almost synonymous right? because without calories you're dead. |
| 32:54.63 | mikebledsoe | It's too expensive. |
| 33:07.83 | Max Shank | But you could also think of time as the resource and actually it's a little more practical to think of it that way like how many hours per day you can invest you have a fixed amount Yada Yada and then you have dollars and as far as. Investing is concerned mean your your stuff and your time is basically all you got right. |
| 33:31.11 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so two things I've been thinking about in regard to offers recently I've been asking myself None questions. The none question entered my mind. Um as I was talking to a buddy who's in the cosmetics industry and he found. He found a product that if he walked into a room 80% of the women wanted his product and that got me thinking I go wow what is a product that if I walked in a room more than half the room would want it. So. |
| 34:07.38 | Max Shank | Just start hanging out with me. But um. |
| 34:10.20 | mikebledsoe | That's right, that's right? Ah, but there's there are certain products. Um you know, 80% of the people are using toilet paper 80% of the people drink water you know at least um at least 80% but yeah so like ah. |
| 34:18.16 | Max Shank | Wait only 80% do the ah I mean I guess some people use the wet wipes but like in America at least a lot of people wipe their ass with their hands. |
| 34:29.50 | mikebledsoe | Learnings We got bad days and wet wet wipes. Yeah in hand. Yeah yeah. |
| 34:35.80 | Max Shank | Also that yeah and hand for talking global. It's better to just focus on North America or America for the sake of these conversations right? That's where our audience is. |
| 34:47.50 | mikebledsoe | Most of them I think we had someone listening from Chad someone from Chad was listening yesterday I'll show you the stats. Yeah so Chad um the ah so I was thinking about like what is what is it that. |
| 34:51.27 | Max Shank | I apologize to all of our audience in Sudan fucking from from Chad no way that's funny. Ah. |
| 35:06.49 | mikebledsoe | That almost everybody wants to have and then and then a couple months ago I started asking myself the question of like how would I add a zero to every time I sell something how would I how do I make it 10 times more valuable. So. |
| 35:22.97 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 35:24.76 | mikebledsoe | Some people may hear that and go how do I make it 10 times more expensive. No 10 times more valuable at least so valuable that someone had to have it so those are like 2 thought experiments I've had around offers I think that you know. |
| 35:38.73 | Max Shank | You have. |
| 35:42.60 | mikebledsoe | 1 is what's the total addressable market. So how many people out there want or need yours and also looking at how many people are offering the same exact thing that also impacts the total addressable market. So if you can offer something that's truly unique. Your marketing doesn't even have to be that good that truly solves a problem. |
| 35:51.67 | Max Shank | 9 |
| 36:01.49 | mikebledsoe | And ah, a lot of people want it. It doesn't have to be that great and then um I think it's also much easier to create good marketing when you have that really special unique offer. Um and then also the thought experiment. I really like to do is the the 10 x how do I make this None times more valuable. What would what would that product or service look like for those people or what are those people spending that much money on. So if I go okay, what do people spend none on the majority of the market that spends that kind of money. |
| 36:31.00 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 36:39.37 | mikebledsoe | Usually a home wine. Yeah so ah anyways, and then and then the other experiment too is what would your? what would your offer look like if it was a None of the price. |
| 36:40.35 | Max Shank | Wine. |
| 36:47.13 | Max Shank | Individual bottles. |
| 36:55.47 | Max Shank | Yeah I like the decimal. The decimal imagination is pretty good across the board for any of those like can we get it 10 times faster to them. Can we get the results 10 times faster can we make the experience last 10 times as long, you know all that. |
| 36:56.65 | mikebledsoe | What could you deliver. |
| 37:11.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um, yeah. |
| 37:14.78 | Max Shank | Is ah it's a clean visualization for some reason it it expands way more than thinking of doubling it I mean of course mathematically. |
| 37:19.44 | mikebledsoe | Well doubling doesn't work doubling doubling doesn't work because people I believe that people's minds will start gravitating towards working twice as hard. It's It's a lot easier to work twice as hard that if I say. |
| 37:32.10 | Max Shank | Oh here. |
| 37:38.36 | mikebledsoe | the the 10 x thinking is a governor on how much work you can do because you can't work 10 times more than you're already working I mean unless you're only working an hour a da hour then then you could shut up max. But then. |
| 37:46.62 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean I could. |
| 37:54.70 | Max Shank | Ah, hey this is work is my work for the day. |
| 37:55.57 | mikebledsoe | But then um, yeah, there you go? Ah so so the 10 x thinking really does force people into a high leverage way of thinking. It's a higher order of thinking. |
| 38:05.42 | Max Shank | I agree. You also said something that I was just talking about yesterday which is huge is you don't want to identify with suffering I mean you can if you want to but I feel like it is a major inhibitor in the results you get. Because instead of your ah result being proportional to the result itself your your metric is how much you suffered and the ratio of how much you suffered to what you produced and I think that um holds a lot of people in a. |
| 38:38.16 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 38:44.92 | Max Shank | Really diminished state because the the value that they were taught either implicitly or explicitly is that suffering is the value. Not the value is the value and hey that's fucked and I'm sorry if that's you ah. But you can change your mind if you want to. |
| 39:06.58 | mikebledsoe | Ah, you're you're spot on. Yeah there there was a period of time where I didn't yeah. |
| 39:13.72 | Max Shank | That's what I learned I mean full disclosure. That's what I learned like if you suffer more you're more good and the reality is ah like that's kind of true historically like when we tell stories if a guy suffers a lot. We're like man that Martyr was a real badass. He got. Drawn and quartered for what he believed in or this guy got crucified for what he believed in I mean crazy right? So you don't want to identify with suffering. It's way it's way more It's kind of a ah weird selfish thing. |
| 39:34.23 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, wild. |
| 39:49.29 | Max Shank | And if you really focus on solving a problem for somebody else. You'll recognize that your suffering is totally irrelevant except for the fact that if you suffer more you'll probably be able to produce less. So so. |
| 40:00.32 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the um ah in my in my trainings a lot of times I have students they do a journaling about how about the the collapse distinction of sacrifice and service and. |
| 40:16.62 | Max Shank | Oh shit. That's a good one I hope you have that written down. It's nice. 1 |
| 40:19.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, So there's yeah, there's there's this it happens a lot with people with military Backgrounds Blue Colar Backgrounds I mean such as max and I come come from these types of backgrounds and the idea is that. Sacrifices and service are like intermingled constantly in the language. So as you're getting older because here's the thing we learn definitions of words through context we don't sit Down. We weren't taught each word and sat down and. Go Oh Let's look at the dictionary so we learn everything through context and so unconsciously a lot of us when when people hear about service their mind automatically translate that to be associated with sacrifice as Well. And so. |
| 41:12.82 | Max Shank | Get right. |
| 41:14.92 | mikebledsoe | What ends up happening I see this a lot with mothers is if they like they they can't enjoy themselves because the moment they start enjoying themselves. They're not being a good mom. Yeah, exactly exactly So this. |
| 41:18.34 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, the Sufferin mama. |
| 41:27.80 | Max Shank | They're a bad mom. You're a bad mom. What are you fucking enjoying yourself bad mom. |
| 41:34.74 | mikebledsoe | This idea So I have everyone journal out you know, ah the definition of each go look it up just go look it out and write it down now. Can you have service without sacrifice. Can you have sacrifice without service. Yes, on both. So. |
| 41:40.86 | Max Shank | M. |
| 41:50.24 | Max Shank | Depends on how you define sacrifice 1 of the definitions I think for sacrifice is just ah like what are you? What are you paying right? I'm sacrificing this in exchange for this. So it really depends on the. |
| 41:53.71 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 41:57.89 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well my friend Jesse just yeah well Jesse Elder defined the sacrifice is that you the difference between sacrificing and investing is. |
| 42:07.32 | Max Shank | The definition. So what you said is right? You just have to have it there. |
| 42:16.53 | mikebledsoe | A lot of times people use the word sacrifice when they're talking about giving up something now for something greater later and that's yeah and that's technically an investment. Not a sacrifice sacrifice is when you give up something for a lesser value. So that's. |
| 42:21.74 | Max Shank | Like in a chess game when you do a sacrifice for a gambit. |
| 42:35.33 | mikebledsoe | That's a distinction that he's created that I that I find to be really useful that may not necessarily be true, but it's a really useful way to think possible. What. |
| 42:39.58 | Max Shank | Um, you know I don't even know if it's possible to sacrifice something for a lesser value because in that moment you are making a value estimation. On what you're going to get out of this behavior. So I think you are always ah basically gambling. Um, it kind of is similar to yeah I think I mean people always do what they think is going to get them. |
| 43:04.90 | mikebledsoe | Ah, sometimes people know that they're gonna I don't know it's hard to say I. Well, let's get out. |
| 43:15.94 | Max Shank | The the most for the least if we want it if we want to simplify it down people want the most for the least and sometimes what they give up is not worth as much as what they got is like my friend Rob says is the fucking you're getting worth the fucking. You're getting. |
| 43:32.52 | mikebledsoe | Um, or going like this. Yeah. |
| 43:33.84 | Max Shank | Ah, ah what you made me think of you. What me? what you made me think of though um was why I think ah tolerance is the worst thing in the world I think being able to I think. |
| 43:48.85 | mikebledsoe | Dude you live in California you're supposed to be tolerant of everything everybody all the time you you should have a flat flat set of values. Everything should be the same value all the time. |
| 43:52.76 | Max Shank | No okay so go go ahead and lump lump me in lump me in with tens of millions of people in a sweeping generalization because I'm such a normal such ah because I'm such a normal fucking dude in the None place right. |
| 44:02.66 | mikebledsoe | I Just did I. |
| 44:11.11 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 44:12.38 | Max Shank | Jesus fucking Christ so being able to tolerate physical forces. That's good. That's athletic, right? But when people tolerate something. Ah let's say psychologically or relationship. Wise it's ah it's one of the worst things you can do because you're not what you should do is you should reject it or you should accept it and I think people make the mistake of they tolerate. Which is like they're being wounded constantly and they build this resentment from this little barbed wound so you should either accept it fully or reject it but you should never tolerate never tolerate behavior you don't want accept it. Let it go or reject that shit. |
| 45:02.91 | mikebledsoe | Ooh. |
| 45:07.80 | Max Shank | Don't fucking tolerate. It's the work tolerant. You heard it here first. Tolerance is the worst thing for a relationship. That's what's up. |
| 45:13.70 | mikebledsoe | I Love it I Love it. You're right I like the acceptance or reject it. Tolerance tolerance is like I don't want to make a choice I don't want to. It's a lack of responsibility in the context your. |
| 45:25.60 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, no, it's even worse. It is a choice. It is a choice I'm gonna I'm gonna watch I'm gonna watch this thing that a person does and I'm not gonna like it and I'm gonna Harbor resentment because of it. |
| 45:32.42 | mikebledsoe | Well, every non-choice is a choice. |
| 45:45.00 | Max Shank | And it's going to feel like and it's going to feel like a perpetual cost is's going to feel like ah, a perpetual suffering. It's going to feel like a sacrifice. That's what made me think of it is like you're you're you're now in a psychological energetic debt because you are tolerating instead of accepting. |
| 45:51.37 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 46:02.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 46:04.66 | Max Shank | And it's like that French phrase to know all is to forgive all like you know full acceptance is going to allow that energy to flow full rejection is going to allow you to flow your energy elsewhere but Tolerance is just this like parasitic energy leakage where nobody's winning. Out of that Deal. Tolerance sucks. |
| 46:24.55 | mikebledsoe | I Really I Really like that perspective. That's that's brand new for me I'm gonna write some things down. But I think that's just gonna be the title of the show is tolerant sucks. |
| 46:41.64 | Max Shank | I knew I stumbled onto something good here. This is a new thing for me too. It's when within the last week some headline shit. Yeah. |
| 46:42.95 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, some headline shit. Oh yeah, yeah, what did you? What did you? What caused you to stumble across this one. What we got you thinking on this. Do you remember you might be like me, you just wake up and you're like ah. |
| 46:55.54 | Max Shank | So my my my special lit I mean I'm kind of like Richard Feynman in that sense where like I just get a kick out of thinking about things I like to dance around with sticks and ropes and clubs and swords and that kind of shit. But. |
| 47:06.10 | mikebledsoe | Ah. |
| 47:14.72 | Max Shank | I also get a real kick out of just sitting in a big comfy chair and thinking about shit you know, but this time ah I was talking with my special lady friend. None of her friends. Ah, just recently broke up with her boyfriend right? And so. She went to go console this friend. She told me a little bit about what's going on nothing like no grizzly details or anything like that just in um, you know generalities. How do you interact and relate to another person and. You realize that it's ah it's rarely something like all at once that sends it to hell there is a straw that breaks the Camel's back but there's always something in the background that is being tolerated. That's the problem is like something has been tolerated instead of accepted or rejected. Accepted boom floodgates are open rejected boom the gates are closed and so as far as like ascribing fault to None party or the other like the the alleged offender or the one who's just quietly suffering those offenses. It's like. You got to take away that resentful tolerance and accept everything whole heart as it is or you got to reject it a little bit more forcefully and the longer those boundaries get ah, blurred and fuzzy and. You move your boundaries in and you feel resentment because now you're not really comfortable because your boundaries aren't where you'd like them to be um, it. It just seems so clear to me now even looking back at all my past relationships and I've never felt better about that. Personally because you just learn something from everybody and you appreciate the time for what it was and it's it's very easy to become ah resentful and I think that's ah all because of tolerance instead of acceptance or rejection. |
| 49:21.30 | mikebledsoe | Love it. Love it. Thank you for that one all right? What's have do with ah fishing poles. Yep. |
| 49:24.63 | Max Shank | And yeah, man, Thank you, You want to know so people often ah resent their circumstances and they tolerate their circumstances but they don't fully accept them either. And that's like having a big chip on your shoulder. Ah and and you're stuck in this ideology rather than just accepting where where you are here and now and realizing that what you have is here and now and whatever you have. That's what the fuck you have. And if you're like but that other guy has more. It's like Okay, yeah, yeah, he does so like a thousand years ago. The guy who had. |
| 50:08.62 | mikebledsoe | What are you gonna do about it anytime anyone complains about something I ask them? What are you gonna do about it and a lot of time that throws people off. |
| 50:19.83 | Max Shank | Um, well look. You should either be ah like asking for help or offering help Really if you're not sure what to do like ask for help or offer help You're not going to get anywhere. |
| 50:29.63 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 50:35.87 | Max Shank | By complaining unless you go into politics then you can get a tremendous amount you can actually get more power and money than anyone else in the world If you just come That's professional level complaining. |
| 50:43.67 | mikebledsoe | Could you imagine if if ah could you imagine? ah like ah a Ceo going out in the world and complaining for his marketing just going out there and complaining about shit. |
| 50:59.28 | Max Shank | Ah, Amazing. You can only complain as part of your marketing If. You're complaining about the state of the market I Can't believe how horrible this market is. That's why I came in here to change the game with my new and improved version of what this market is lacking like there's a., There's ah, there's a place for it for sure. But yeah I I think ah, you don't want to tolerate your situation you fucking accept it or you reject it and you come up with a new one. But I think I Really think Tolerance is like ah a really bad value. Ah, in the sense that we're talking about and in the sense of physical forces. It's one of the best ever means you can tolerate a huge amount of force without ah deform ah plastic deformation right? without breaking or deforming. So That's that's a good thing physically and then energetically acceptance not tolerance but acceptance so I think that applies to where people are in their lives. Professionally I think Also I think a lot about. A lot of acceptance is about seeing things for what they truly are and when it comes to putting an offer together. It's like it's great if you like something but it doesn't mean that other people have to like it and the same thing is true for like a solution that worked for you. It. It may not be the solution that everybody else wants and I think that's ah, that's how a lot of people get sucked into some sort of weird fanaticism or zealotry I'm trying to think of a less fancy word but they get they get really hyper about something. Because it really worked well for them and then they start basically using a hammer to bash down every screw that they find because they don't know the difference in what is being presented in that other person versus what happened to them. They're like oh my God I did hamstring curls and it cured my life. Everyone's doing hamstring curls and I've I've attended maybe 50 weekend seminars in my life. No. Well I mean as a student I've taught like 200 but I I would ah I would notice it in myself. I'd go to a seminar I'd come back and I would just be like parroting that shit I couldn't help it you know and as I started teaching more seminars I made more and more of a point to remind people to not just like brain dump. |
| 53:31.78 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 53:46.65 | Max Shank | Everything I told them on their new clients and think that you know it's a 1 ne-size fits all approach to everything. |
| 53:50.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah I had a ah talk with a guy the other day where I told him just that in his marketing is focus on the benefits. Not the features. He had all these features it was revolutionary for him. |
| 54:05.10 | Max Shank | Revolutionary Revolutionary Revolutionary The features just need to be a bullet point to justify the price I think unless it's part of the story. |
| 54:08.55 | mikebledsoe | But it's well this is this is the problem. Well None problem is people are focused on the people people know the features and they think that if I they tell other people the features they're going to get the value of it but they need to hear the benefit they're going to get from the features. But the other thing is is going back to being in touch with reality I'm not sure. There's you know I think there's some coaches out there that are telling other coaches that you know they can make a million dollars you know following their their bliss type of thing. But. |
| 54:45.90 | Max Shank | Some of them some of them. Yeah. |
| 54:47.64 | mikebledsoe | Some of them some of them can and I think part of it is like some of them did and then they turn around tell people do the same thing but that doesn't always work. So for instance, yeah. |
| 54:56.64 | Max Shank | It's like multi-level marketing. It's like multi-level marketing like 90% of the people. Ah, it didn't have what it takes in the none place and did nothing with it and then a small percentage are like fucking rock stars and they're like. What is this an electric dildo some fancy antioxidant berry juice I'll sell None of them this month I'm on it. You know what? I mean it doesn't it doesn't matter even what it is. There's just that crew that will always do well. But. |
| 55:14.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. But I get for instance I'll get a I'll get a coach as I'm like um I'm like okay, what are your goals. Oh I want to be able to make x amount of dollars. I was like okay your business needs to make this amount if you want to take this amount home and there and then it's kind of like a oh shit and I'm like okay who's your who's your client like what type people are you serving is like well mma fighters in their early twenty s trying to go pro. |
| 55:32.25 | Max Shank | Well. |
| 55:50.50 | mikebledsoe | And I go Well do those guys have money. Do they have and and do they valueate? Yeah I mean and well I think most guys trying to go pro and mate don't have money I I. |
| 55:54.28 | Max Shank | Do they want this I mean a lot of them may have money but do they want it. |
| 56:05.48 | Max Shank | My experience is the same I used to want to train those guys like my gym at the very beginning because I was into all that shit I was like a fucking retarded testosterone out 21 year old when I started my gym I was I was fighting in the cage. |
| 56:08.46 | mikebledsoe | Okay, yeah. |
| 56:25.37 | Max Shank | Was like I am a tough motherfucker and I'm gonna fill this gym full of guys just like me and you know what those guys didn't pay a God damn thing those guys suck Those guys are those guys are always about like. |
| 56:30.30 | mikebledsoe | Yep. |
| 56:39.51 | Max Shank | Ah, dude I'll tweet you bro and I'm like oh Jesus fucking. It didn't take long for me to head down to the country clubs and swoop up some of the 45 to 65 range there are easier businesses and hard businesses. Let's just say it that way. |
| 56:41.49 | mikebledsoe | I'm great people. |
| 56:46.79 | mikebledsoe | Exactly exactly? Yeah, so like what I. |
| 56:59.15 | Max Shank | There are easier businesses. There are things that people already want and there are things that are a tough sell. |
| 57:01.69 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well here here's the thing I I do 2 things for free. So I get.? Yeah yeah I did 2 things I have 2 offers for free that I give people and both of them tap into my expertise that I normally get paid for or at least used to get paid for and I am he ruined it as. |
| 57:11.61 | Max Shank | I'm excited by whatever these 2 things are going to be by the way. Ah. |
| 57:25.76 | Max Shank | Is it prostate massage is that one of them. Sorry. |
| 57:31.23 | mikebledsoe | Um, so I give these things away and I and I love it because I don't charge a dime for it whereas a bunch of other people are trying to figure out how to charge what I'm doing when I'm offering for free and the only reason I can offer it for free is because I have. Paying customers somewhere else people that actually do have money. |
| 57:50.81 | Max Shank | Oh shit, he's flexing on y'all right now I give away better stuff for free may maybe better. You don't always get what you pay for, but it's because you are so confident. |
| 57:57.60 | mikebledsoe | Well not yeah, probably but like maybe better you don't always get me pay for it. |
| 58:08.12 | Max Shank | In your ecosystem right? that you have created that once they experience something you've given them for free. You got None of value down the road right? no. |
| 58:15.17 | mikebledsoe | Well well here's the thing is thinking about like um, well yeah, maybe but actually I don't have a plan for it at all with the 2 things I like I have no plan for either None of these things to ever make money and these are. But types of thing people want to help people who it's charity. That's not really it's not it's not really charity um oh no, what? what? I give away for free is I do a Tuesday night workout for a handful of my buddies at my house. |
| 58:32.25 | Max Shank | Um, so it's so it's marketing. No fuck you. It's not char you it's marketing a free book is great marketing. |
| 58:48.71 | Max Shank | Oh that's nice. Yeah, that sounds great. |
| 58:51.82 | mikebledsoe | Right? And then we grill some meat afterwards and we kick it and they get world-class training. You know most of them never been exposed to like a coach that's been exposed to things I've been exposed to so they're getting their minds blown. They're learning more about their bodies for an hour once a week and. |
| 59:09.18 | Max Shank | I dig it. |
| 59:10.76 | mikebledsoe | I and I never care to train pay you know accept money for for physical training. So I do that So I give that away for free and then I give away which I give that to people who don't know that they could get training right? like they don't even know to go get it but because. |
| 59:25.58 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 59:29.20 | mikebledsoe | My friends I'm like come over to my house I'll I'll I'll treat you and then on Thursday mornings I have I meet with these guys who are blue collar and these guys could can't afford me for for the types of of advice and. Coaching that I would give but if they can figure out a way to make time out of their day at None a m on Thursdays I meet with them at the park. We kick it for an hour and I just help them with whatever it is. That's going on in their life. Well I just kept on coming across all these guys so like ah it was like I was getting like all these blue collar guys like. |
| 59:59.36 | Max Shank | No kidding How do you set this one up. |
| 01:00:08.40 | mikebledsoe | I'd be at a cafe student just couldn't stop talking to me so I was like I Well I guess I'm not supposed to work' going to supposed to talk to this guy. So I talked to this guy I'm like oh you start sharing his problems with me is like I don't know why I all a sudden look like a a target for other people's problems. But then. |
| 01:00:16.86 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 01:00:26.97 | mikebledsoe | I Got a guy that came to saw saw me solar and you know the the conversation turned and he needed some help so I was able to give him some help and then another guy I met ah you know at the at the gym same thing like you know he's he's. Somehow what opens up to me and starts talking and then so I got these guys and I'm like look if you have any of your other friends that you know and some of these guys are dealing. You know they're dealing with some heavy like legal stuff and all sorts of crazy shit and so I'm meeting with them and. For most of them the benefit they get is just understanding that whatever they're experiencing internally other guys are experiencing that same thing internally too. I mean that that by itself is just so healing because most of these guys they screwed up something we Well we all screwed up. |
| 01:01:14.37 | Max Shank | Ah. Lost Boys their lost boys. |
| 01:01:23.26 | mikebledsoe | We we all screw up in our life. Yeah, we all screw up in our life At some point right? and then we then we judge our s ourselves for having screwed up and most guys they just clam up and never share that with anybody because they think that their situation is truly unique. |
| 01:01:33.28 | Max Shank | Often. Talk about suppressing right? I mean who suppresses more than dudes with their feelings. Ah. |
| 01:01:41.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, So um, so just just the act of getting out and hanging out and talking about it and then realizing that other dudes have the same problems and then and then I'll obviously also offering strategies for dealing with. These things. Yeah, so these are 2 things that I like to I just do for for free that I know other people are trying to charge for and if you're trying to sell coaching to somebody that doesn't have money like I don't have any interest in trying to sell something. |
| 01:02:02.70 | Max Shank | It's like a feeling of a community. It sounds like. |
| 01:02:18.38 | mikebledsoe | To the blue collar I'm not gonna go sell coaching to the blue collar community one. They're not really looking for it. Um, and ah because they don't know it exists. They just don't even know it exists. Yeah. |
| 01:02:22.90 | Max Shank | But now. |
| 01:02:31.73 | Max Shank | You're talking about using the right bait for the right fish basically and the fact that not everything has to be ah, a monetary exchange because my guess is you get a tremendous amount out of these experiences every week otherwise you would not do them. |
| 01:02:38.25 | mikebledsoe | Not everything. |
| 01:02:44.47 | mikebledsoe | I Absolutely so but the only reason I can do them is because I am using the right bait with the right fish somewhere else that feeds me it pays my bills it. |
| 01:02:53.96 | Max Shank | Exactly you got a crew of guys out on a fleet of boats. They're catching fish you're shooting the breeze with the guy at the diner and if you don't free up your time. Ah, you're always stuck with the pole. |
| 01:03:02.32 | mikebledsoe | Exactly. |
| 01:03:11.21 | Max Shank | In the River You don't have a chance to tell other guys about fishing. You don't have a chance to just relax on the beach yourself. Um, yeah, that's a really interesting way to use our resources right? It's like you're using your resources to get something that. |
| 01:03:29.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well, ah, there's ah this this actually happens in like a lot of the the medicine world like I learned about this from Ashley she's psychotherapist and they have this thing called a sliding scale. So you know they may charge. |
| 01:03:31.12 | Max Shank | Ah, you can't purchase. |
| 01:03:49.28 | mikebledsoe | Two hundred bucks, two hundred and fifty three hundred bucks an hour as as a psychotherapist to their clients. But if someone comes in There's a certain number of spots they have allotted that they're allowed to go down in a sliding scalells like you know I'm only in charge you a hundred bucks because I know you can't afford it in this and that and I look at it I go man. Ah, sliding scale is too narrow I want a sliding scale where I'm charging this person $3000 per hour and then I'm giving this person the thing for twenty bucks an hour or five bucks an hour or free ends. |
| 01:04:20.22 | Max Shank | Well, that just means you're good at drawing a boundary of what you feel comfortable with my my thing is people pay full price. Ah for what I'm doing or they pay nothing and I I I like that I like that idea better. |
| 01:04:31.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, that's that's pretty much I don't I don't do discounts either. You know. |
| 01:04:39.83 | Max Shank | Because um, when I was when I was coming up when I was just a young book coming up I was ah you know started out coaching people for burritos. So not a very high rate of pay per hour and then over time it went up. Fifty bucks an hour sixty buck hour an hour hundred two hundred three hundred an hou hou hour sixty buck hour an hour hundred two hundred three hundred an hou hou hour sixty buck hour an hour hundred two hundred three hundred an hou hou hour sixty buck hour an hour hundred two hundred three hundred an hou hou hour undred two hundred three hundred an hou hour um but I had grandfathered a few people in and I didn't and I did it too long I tolerated that shit because I thought I was doing them a solid and so I was training people at three hundred an hour and then I was training. |
| 01:05:08.19 | mikebledsoe | So yeah, yeah. |
| 01:05:18.26 | Max Shank | Ah, a couple guys. One guy was training it 60 and the other guy was training at 150 and I just remember I just remember being like ah I just had to draw the boundary 1 time and that's that's the ah the aftershock. |
| 01:05:25.98 | mikebledsoe | It's 20% and yeah. |
| 01:05:37.92 | Max Shank | That the other person experiences because I didn't draw boundaries soon enough. It's the same as in a relationship they were like whoa. Oh my god from 60 to 300 I was like yeah, it's like my bad because I was stupid and thought like to not raise your rates the whole way. So now you're 10 times more upset. |
| 01:05:54.96 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:05:55.82 | Max Shank | Because I tolerated and avoided it for so long and then also I'm not feeling good about those sessions where I'm making sixty bucks where the other ones I'm making 300 now now I feel like a charity case. It's like I almost subliminally want to do a worse job. |
| 01:06:05.88 | mikebledsoe | It's hard to walk away feeling good. |
| 01:06:11.93 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:06:14.40 | Max Shank | So it's more appropriate value like I want to like fucking abuse him or something you know what I mean like like if he's only paying sixty bucks but if I like hit him with a stick or something like I'll I don't know whatever it's like I think ah you know people probably beat their wives. |
| 01:06:17.91 | mikebledsoe | Ah, maybe I should be paying my trainer more Maybe that's what's happening. |
| 01:06:29.36 | mikebledsoe | You get a little resentment you start resenting them a little bit. Yeah husbands. Yeah. |
| 01:06:34.21 | Max Shank | People probably beat their wives for the same reason or beat their spouses or say mean things to each other I don't know it. It does seem like it always comes back to that clear setting of boundaries fucking accept it fully or reject it but don't tolerate it. Don't tolerate it. |
| 01:06:42.43 | mikebledsoe | Boy how did you? Ah, how do you have? How do you have that conversation. |
| 01:06:51.37 | Max Shank | How do you have it. You just got to have it. There's no easy way. Um, there's no easy way to have it. Oh um, I'll tell you exactly what is because I want them to like me. |
| 01:06:54.48 | mikebledsoe | Ah, but how do you do it? Not I know there's no easy way. Yeah yeah I mean it you know why? it's not easy by the way people people. Yeah well, there's that but there's there's like well there's. |
| 01:07:10.29 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:07:12.17 | mikebledsoe | We we play out the worst case scenarios in our minds before the conversations I find that the conversations are rarely are as bad as what I think they might be so it's all the time leading up to the conversation is that suffering The conversation itself is actually not that bad. |
| 01:07:14.25 | Max Shank | Now they hate me. |
| 01:07:24.40 | Max Shank | Totally well and if you're more and it's like more geared toward looking out for the negatives most high performing guys usually are Anyway, they're looking out. |
| 01:07:30.41 | mikebledsoe | Totally. |
| 01:07:36.97 | Max Shank | What are my weaknesses. What's the worst case scenario I got to look out for and you just play this probability tree in your head like you've probably and folks listening like played out different ways. A conversation could go before you go have it right. |
| 01:07:47.20 | mikebledsoe | Totally it almost never goes the way I think it will like I'll I'll I'll like these are the 5 different scenarios and then the sixth one that I didn't think it pops up. |
| 01:07:50.95 | Max Shank | You're like okay maybe there's like a 20% chance this will happen 40% chance this. |
| 01:08:01.80 | Max Shank | It almost always goes the way I think it will I'm not just trying to like bullshit either like ah probably because I think about it too much too much. Ah, but yeah. |
| 01:08:07.57 | mikebledsoe | Maybe maybe I find that whether I thought through it or not really doesn't matter about the outcome you know? yeah. |
| 01:08:20.57 | Max Shank | I think that's typically the case also that I would agree with um, at any rate it's it's the same. It's like I made a mistake I ah I'm charging this much now you're the only one you and None other person are the only people paying this. I don't feel comfortable doing that anymore. So this is the new rate if you want to continue great if you don't also great. Ah, no, not those not those None other others did ah just like the. |
| 01:08:39.64 | mikebledsoe | Did they stay. |
| 01:08:47.62 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, the the gap wasn't so big. |
| 01:08:53.53 | Max Shank | Late I mean between 60 and like a couple hundred is ah a gargantuan amount that person ended up that person ended up paying a None and working with another coach so he still stayed with the gym but he like yeah um. |
| 01:08:57.70 | mikebledsoe | That's a big jump. Totally Okay, that's even Better. You probably still took home the same amount without having do any of the work. |
| 01:09:10.97 | Max Shank | Yeah, is way better. Um, ah, but once again like I'm I'm in a lucky place because I coach people because I I like to not because I I have to and when you have to it feels like you're less able. |
| 01:09:18.70 | mikebledsoe | Bright new. |
| 01:09:27.77 | Max Shank | To say what's really on your mind and draw those boundaries you're like fuck I I want to draw I Want to set good boundaries but I need the fucking burrito like exactly um, same same thing with having ah resources available time money which is. |
| 01:09:32.46 | mikebledsoe | Right? right? hungry None |
| 01:09:46.96 | Max Shank | Ah, claim check on other people's time. Basically I don't know if you ever heard that term I Love that concept. Um, you know when things go a little bit haywire like they have in the world. Economically if you have resources available. That's the time to capitalize because ah. |
| 01:09:47.94 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:10:06.71 | Max Shank | Basically who whoever needs does not have the power and whoever does not need has the power in any kind of. |
| 01:10:12.95 | mikebledsoe | True Dad Well when he I also want point out like when you say resources. It's not just money I think that in what what we're time well time as part of it but like the the ability to to ah perspective and how you're perceiving the situation. |
| 01:10:20.12 | Max Shank | Time time money effort energy. |
| 01:10:32.81 | mikebledsoe | Is Also really huge because in times like these one of the things that's happening is there's a massive shift right? The way I see it is We did a really good job of fighting to keep things the same for like 20 years. It's like okay, it's the same. It's the same. It's same I can expect this I can expect this I go to work I Do this kind of job. Expect expect expect and then we ran out of like the we we weren't able to hold the floodgates back any longer of change which the universe is just always delivering change and so more change happens. |
| 01:11:03.21 | Max Shank | 4 |
| 01:11:09.82 | mikebledsoe | More quickly than what we're used to which which looks bleak but the reality is is that we have a huge opportunity in those moments and if you can stay out of that lizard brain take some deep breaths realize and look around and say. Okay,, there's still a roof over my head I still got my iphone in my pocket and I got enough money for groceries. Maybe not all the groceries that I want to get but some of them so like okay all right? Well you're safe take a breath. Nobody's taking that away from you and what can you create? Can you.? Can you? Um, what problems are emerging in which you can participate in a solution and so there are there are and everything is at a discount right now too. So if if you're if you're right. |
| 01:12:04.72 | Max Shank | I Feel like I'm at the blue collar meeting now. |
| 01:12:09.12 | mikebledsoe | Ah, everything's at a discount So like um for somebody who has a resource of a big bank account. They can come in and swoop up and bite real estate crypto stocks everything everything's at a discount right now Commodities every. |
| 01:12:24.74 | Max Shank | Penny pennies on the dollar pennies on the dollar. Ah. |
| 01:12:28.41 | mikebledsoe | Well not all commodities. But um, a lot of things are a discount right now and they're going to get swooped up now if you don't have the bank account to swoop up and get these things then you have you have to use your mind and you have to use your time and your energy and your. |
| 01:12:42.35 | Max Shank | Energy reserves. |
| 01:12:47.41 | mikebledsoe | Problem solve the number None thing I want to point out is problem solving skills. What problem can you solve for other people because the more you can do that because what we have is we have an increase in problems right now. But it's not the same problems that we had two years ago so you got to change the type of work that you do if you really want to capitalize. On what's happening right now. |
| 01:13:09.48 | Max Shank | It's like who moved my cheese. You know that little management book. Ah, it's great is who moved my cheese is basically like. |
| 01:13:10.26 | mikebledsoe | Now. |
| 01:13:20.13 | Max Shank | If you lament that the cheese got moved. You're going to fuck yourself up. But if you just keep looking for where the cheese went off to you're going to find it a lot better. Okay, so like you you find the reward somewhere. |
| 01:13:25.43 | mikebledsoe | Hang on. Oh yeah, okay, an exits. |
| 01:13:33.80 | Max Shank | And then you go back the next day and it's gone. You're like what the fuck who moved my cheese and then you go on this tirade Meanwhile the other mouse is just like continuing to look for the cheese. So it's really about um so there's resource allocation which is how you use what you got and then there is resource. |
| 01:13:39.65 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:13:53.58 | Max Shank | Acquisition which is what can you? How can you trade that what can you trade for that. Um, and I would say that as far as resource allocation is concerned man if you were even like 50% efficient with your resources. You'd be very rich. |
| 01:13:55.72 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:14:11.24 | mikebledsoe | Most people. |
| 01:14:12.27 | Max Shank | Like you be fucking crazy rich. You don't have to do that much. You just got to do something that people really want and the more swings you take the more likely you are to figure something out but don't get um, don't get stuck in like None idea and think like oh that. This should work forever. Then you're the last guy selling horse and buggies in a street full of cars and you're fucked. You're like who moved who took away all the horses. What's going on here. My carriage business is fucked and it's like no, you got to adapt adaptability. So chief attribute of survival. |
| 01:14:49.78 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, ah and this brings me back to feedback loops people are blind to feedback loops and that's why they wait too long to change and so one of the things I like to do with people is we create a ninety day dashboard where we're tracking. |
| 01:14:50.44 | Max Shank | Adaptability Change I mean that's that's it. |
| 01:15:07.24 | mikebledsoe | The work that we're doing over the next ninety days to take us specifically towards our goals and I just had a I mean going back and forth with one of my clients this morning where he he's like he's like why I have all this stuff that I've been doing but it's this other thing that's actually creating the result and he's like complaining they're like. Ah, he's like he's like I'm not sure this program is working I'm like this is a demonstration of the program working but you have figured out what doesn't move the needle and you figured out what does move the needle so on your on your ninety day dashboard |
| 01:15:33.45 | Max Shank | Hey. |
| 01:15:40.67 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:15:45.73 | mikebledsoe | Just take off all the shit. That's not working that's taking up your time and energy and put this stuff in that is working and do that instead and so the idea of planning out ninety days at a time and then doing the work and then getting the feedback if you've never done that the none time you do it. You're going to realize that 80% of the work you do is useless and then you you revise it in the next ninety days it gets a little better in the next ninety days it gets a little better and that's why I like to work with people for at least a year is because we get through 4 revisions. Or you know one None initial and None revisions of their ninety day ninety days of work at a time and within a year you've made 3 revisions. It looks pretty good. You got a good handle on what moves the needle but a lot of times you know. |
| 01:16:34.82 | Max Shank | You got to do your own experiments. You got to do your own experiments and you can't get attached to doing it one way or another what you said before was really good too. It's like you have ah why do people take so long to change it's because ah. It's unknown people prefer the familiar pain to the unknown, a lot of the time and that's why if you're afraid ah which is uncertainty about the future. Um in ah in a negative sense then the solution is curiosity which is. Ah, a happy uncertainty so fear is like a scary uncertainty and curiosity is like a happy uncertainty so you basically um, you know as a coach as a marketer as a fisherman you're basically trying to instill people. With that level of enthusiasm which is like a fire which is like inspiration There's a sense of excitement about the future I mean you can also just full on like scaretactic people into buying ah bulk food barrels and shit like that. But but but but even so you can get them. Curious and excited about how safe you could feel if you had 15 years of food in your cellar or some shit like that I don't know but ah basically you have the fear and the curiosity which is all about the future and then the past you have like resentment and nostalgia. |
| 01:17:53.89 | mikebledsoe | FF. |
| 01:18:08.88 | Max Shank | And nostalgia is kind of like a weird trap. It's nice. Ah, but actually I think um appreciation is a little bit better Nostalgia is almost like the past is better appreciation. |
| 01:18:21.17 | mikebledsoe | So yeah, you're wishing when I think about nostalgia is like I think about a good old day I remember I played that football and. |
| 01:18:27.85 | Max Shank | The good old days the good old days I remember I score 3 touchdowns in the single half it at that a has schoolll football game and ah Mvp ah fuck that head cheerleader and now I got a baby bubba junior. Yeah. |
| 01:18:38.92 | mikebledsoe | Ah, the. |
| 01:18:46.39 | mikebledsoe | I Hope I want to I hope everyone appreciates our range so takes a really special person to have made it this far. |
| 01:18:46.80 | Max Shank | That that is like the classic move. |
| 01:18:57.71 | Max Shank | Ah, it sure does I feel like there should be a special prize to anyone who who listens to this long. |
| 01:19:03.60 | mikebledsoe | Ah, if you're listening just let me know I I think the special prize is just is just me knowing that you made it here. That's really yeah. |
| 01:19:14.60 | Max Shank | Yeah, let us know what you want for a prize I mean we're good at drawing boundaries. So we'll tell you no but I mean maybe we'll say yes, no ask no get. That's what I have noticed. |
| 01:19:19.75 | mikebledsoe | We might say yes, yeah, here's the thing max and I want to give you something. We just don't know what it is. We don't know what you want and we don't know if we're willing to give it to you but you know yeah shit load. |
| 01:19:32.96 | Max Shank | That's fact, we're willing to give quite a lot I mean there are a lot of win-win opportunities out there. So I think one of the things that you and I ah definitely have a talent for is more result with less effort and building. Ah, launch ramp or a water wheel or a rocket ship or something that will really ah deliver a lot of results per the amount of energy put in and um, physically business wise too. I certainly enjoy doing that it feels pretty simple and straightforward. But that's probably just something about having like 15 years of experience with it. Yeah. |
| 01:20:18.60 | mikebledsoe | That helps you're 15 years in |
| 01:20:25.41 | Max Shank | Ah, into like training itself I'm ah like almost 17 but I didn't start well I started doing like free ebooks like about fifteen years ago like I I I took. Ah. |
| 01:20:27.85 | mikebledsoe | What about business. |
| 01:20:36.74 | mikebledsoe | Okay, we start about the same time then. |
| 01:20:43.68 | Max Shank | Ah I did I tell you about the real stoneliing manual at some point. Yeah, just fucking Sunglasses Jujitsu Rash Guard shaved head looking tough horrible quality photos ridiculous claims about lifting rocks. |
| 01:20:44.25 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah, yeah. |
| 01:21:02.60 | Max Shank | It was just such the perfect stamp in time for how tough I wanted to appear it was. It's like awesome. Yeah yeah, and. |
| 01:21:06.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, go Youtube that folks max shank lifting rocks I don't know what you search for to get there but that might take you. |
| 01:21:19.30 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean if you look at my Youtube channel and you go ah, here's a little easter egg if you go from ah like date oldest to newest. It's such a fucking trip I mean I was doing shit at Crossfit Enciitas back in the day. So ah, you know. |
| 01:21:28.25 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah, ah. |
| 01:21:37.54 | Max Shank | That's the other thing I got I got to say like I've just tried so many things and the internet doesn't know about the fucking Encyclopedia of Colossal failures that I have been a part of but I think like also let me. |
| 01:21:47.49 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, ah. |
| 01:21:56.65 | Max Shank | Let me clarify even further the colossal failures often took about 10 times the effort of the things that were raging successes so like I've spent so much energy on some things and then they just like lose money lose more money. Take None of my time. |
| 01:22:02.22 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:22:15.80 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 01:22:15.46 | Max Shank | Lose even more money and then I fucking quit because so I've just hit my limit and then something that was like just a casual publishing of some shit that I wrote is a None times better. We're talking like you know 20 k launch. It took me a week to put this shit together. You know. |
| 01:22:35.13 | mikebledsoe | That's that's how the strong coach was it was very low effort big reward and while I was simultaneously I was running the strong crutch for close to a year and then I'm simultaneously launching a different company and the launching the company was like five weeks of |
| 01:22:35.23 | Max Shank | Ah, that kind of thing. |
| 01:22:43.53 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. Yeah, what. |
| 01:22:52.29 | mikebledsoe | Just felt like torture and then at the end had like a a really shitty launch and in the same month where I was I barely gave my primary business much attention. It had a record breaking month and I go I had to sit down with myself and go okay. |
| 01:23:07.00 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 01:23:11.91 | mikebledsoe | You're being silly just focus on the thing that works or we or maybe don't focus on just let it keep on breaking records without you working I don't know. |
| 01:23:15.91 | Max Shank | Yeah, it's like it's like thinking I mean we could get super philosophical here and just say let the universe pull you in whatever direction you're supposed to go but I do at the very least agree that the amount of. Effort that you put into something has very little to do with how the people like it I mean sometimes it's related but sometimes they're completely independent and also kind of like we were saying for the sacrificing and the suffering Ah don't don't imagine that you get more points. For working harder or longer or suffering more or not liking the shit that you're doing like you don't get points. It's it's like fake points in a fake game. It makes no sense whatsoever. |
| 01:24:01.74 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I said we are. We're almost an hour and a half in let's shut this baby down. Yeah you got any final thoughts here. Holy shit fishing poles and triangles. |
| 01:24:08.29 | Max Shank | Wrap it up. So ah, what's what's the topic fishing poles and triangles. Ah okay I'll so I'll sum up what I think um. Anyone can put together an offer an offer is going to involve some marketing which is basically storytelling and helping the person understand the value of taking the action you want and then of course there's fulfillment on top of that I would like to reiterate. That ah tolerance is the worst thing ever because when you tolerate something you're not rejecting it. You're not accepting it what you are accepting is a burden that will help grow resentment in your heart. This is a problem both relationship wise and business wise which is. Another. It's it's just a commercial relationship. It's still a relationship um give give people what they want and if you give people what you want ah don't expect if it's a little more challenging and and that's okay, too. Look for the intersection between what you love doing and what people put a high price on there's an even better venn diagram if you look up the word eki guy into Google images and. Ah, if you're always flinging your pole in the stream because you're always hungry. You're never going to have time to build a fishing boat or a fishing net or a rocket ship or any of that you can't build that stuff unless you know how to build it so you need plans to do it. But you also need to defer a lot of gratification into the future. Which if you're in lizard mode good luck. No chance you pretty much need to be in a more ah wizard-like state which means you need to secure the lizard love the mammal so you can free the wizard and you know performing at a high level like this is related to a lot of. Very simple things I like to use movement and music and singing and dancing to express and get into a flow state and I know I perform better just by getting better blood flow. You know, singing open ins the throat chakra there are all kinds of things you can do. But. Ultimately, you got to think about your resource allocation and that's what's going to lead to that resource acquisition if. That's the goal and yeah, that's that's that's what I got. |
| 01:26:48.92 | mikebledsoe | So good I'm not gonna add anything because that was was extremely comprehensive. Yeah yeah, you take your brain drugs today. |
| 01:26:52.96 | Max Shank | Um, yeah I fucking nailed it there I nailed it that was good. Great talk I Love I Love these talks by the way I don't care that no one's donated anything yet because there's so much fun. |
| 01:27:02.90 | mikebledsoe | People have offered I just haven't sent them our benmos but I ah. |
| 01:27:09.36 | Max Shank | Dude I'm starving over here come on dude just take care of it. Jesus fucking Christ man starving over here I'm giving you gold Mike I'm giving you gold. Ah. |
| 01:27:20.19 | mikebledsoe | I hope the guy out go to http://macsank.com he's got some products over there. |
| 01:27:26.37 | Max Shank | I. |
| 01:27:28.58 | mikebledsoe | Ah, and I have ah a live summit happening here in Austin Texas September sixteen through None It's an all inclusive retreat I ran out a summer camp got paleo chefs coming in and we start off our morning swimming in a spring. So um. Should come hang out. We can chat about business talk about how to get out of that if you're stuck in that lizard mode or even the mammal mode we can. We can help get you into that that wizard mode where you can create some shit. So. It's going to be awesome. |
| 01:28:02.99 | Max Shank | It's gonna be awesome. It's gonna be awesome and now I want you guys to I Want you guys to contemplate. Ah how your relationship with pigs would differ if they could suddenly speak English Love you. |
| 01:28:05.30 | mikebledsoe | Can be better than the last one. |
| 01:28:11.75 | mikebledsoe | Oh that's right, keep that one in mind. Love you later. |
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| 00:00.00 | Max Shank | Us folk who call up customer support not knowing what to do sometimes turning it off and on again solves the problem and that's pretty weird. |
| 00:10.23 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I worked in I t in my late teens early 20 s and 9 times out of 10 that was the solution. So. |
| 00:22.98 | Max Shank | I remember recently maybe like a year ago getting a new router installed and like a wireless thing a router and a modem I suppose and trying to understand how that shit works is. Really there's a lot of shit going on back and forth between a lot of different places with that little box. It's insane. Um, sadly, it's one of those things I really don't feel like I've made much progress on I feel like I made a little bit of progress learning about. |
| 00:44.89 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 00:50.27 | mikebledsoe | It. |
| 01:02.30 | Max Shank | Computer coding plumbing that sort of thing. But as soon as you start getting into the the cell signals and the wireless linkups and where everything's going. It gets a little hard to follow. |
| 01:14.10 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think ah well the basis of troubleshooting to be a good troubleshoter. Is you just have to understand how the system works in the None place it is binary all the way through it's it. But anytime like when I help Ashley with something. |
| 01:25.13 | Max Shank | Binary all the way through. Yeah, that's what's so interesting. |
| 01:33.72 | mikebledsoe | Some type of troubleshooting thing. Ah, it's ah it's basically because she doesn't understand how the whole system works. You don't know if check this and then this and then this um but we had um, we had a loss of water in our house a couple months ago I call the I call the city all this stuff. Guy comes out tells me I just need to clean my you know the filters and my faucets. Whatever that didn't work and come to find out that my hot water heater has some type of sensor that gets triggered when I have heavy rain that turns off the hot water heater. So. |
| 02:07.95 | Max Shank | Aha. |
| 02:10.64 | mikebledsoe | And' have I had cold water I didn't have hot water but I didn't didn you figure it out but there was a part of the system in which I didn't even know existed that I ended up discovering because there was an alarm going off in my attic where the hot water heaters at and it was faint. |
| 02:11.92 | Max Shank | Ah, hi yeah. |
| 02:27.52 | Max Shank | Aha. |
| 02:29.81 | mikebledsoe | So yeah, troubleshooting is an interesting thing if you don't if you don't know the system knows detail. It's going to be difficult to figure out what's going on but sometimes when you need the troubleshoot. That's when we figure out how something actually works. |
| 02:43.18 | Max Shank | Well, it's like the Layman doesn't even know what to check? let alone how to fix it. He he doesn't even have a checklist. You know if you at least have a checklist then you can maybe start somewhere and I think that's how I approach fitness. It's a little bit mechanical. Still. |
| 02:49.69 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 03:03.20 | Max Shank | Um, I feel like I'm torn. A lot of the time between just telling people to like go hike and dance and if you occasionally carry something heavy while you're hiking and climb on stuff. It'll all work out and then there are other times where I think of ah, a checklist for ah daily. Um. Movements that you might want to focus on like roll bounce balance crawl climb carry rub squeeze shake these different like little things that you can just check off None at a time and I guess it's good. It works for different personality types. But it's funny how they're sometimes very analytical like none you have this topic you have these 3 movements per topic boom boom boom very regimented and then other times I'm like yeah if you bounce around and shake your arms out. You'll you'll move your lymph so you're not in this stagnant toxicity. |
| 03:41.88 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 03:56.54 | Max Shank | And then ah you know throw £20 in a backpack and go hike and climb on some stuff and you'll be relatively good enough. Just go enjoy that. |
| 04:03.12 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I think that um you know this brings out the topic for me is structure and flow and if you don't have enough structure in place then finding flow is gonna be like flow that actually works So There's people who you know. Ah I'll see people preaching online about intuitive eating and and I go that actually doesn't work until someone has done some pretty like I'm an intuitive eater but I've done a bunch of hardcore diets where I've restricted myself heavily and I. |
| 04:36.72 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 04:41.57 | mikebledsoe | Tuned into when my body needs something or doesn't need something but the only you know if you were living off ice cream bars and and snickerdooodles then he's triggered folks then. |
| 04:49.68 | Max Shank | I Feel attacked. |
| 04:58.55 | mikebledsoe | Like your your a ability to tap into what your body actually needs is is diminished and so I think the same thing happens with with fitness like you and I both have a really deep understanding of like we've gone through like really structured stuff for so long that we worked on stuff. We would not normally have worked on. But now that we have we can tell like when I go in the gym I go yeah I don't work this this skill or this part of my body feels weak like I need to I need to shore it up and and do some stuff but I'm preparing for a spartan race. And run the beast at the end of September by the way anyone I'm doing a spartan race doing the world championships in Tahoe September Twenty Fourth anyone who or yeah, love ta ha any excuse to go so I'm gonna run the race and. |
| 05:36.85 | Max Shank | Is this a real story. You're gonna be doing a Spartan race. |
| 05:45.60 | Max Shank | I was just there last week oh my god get out of here. |
| 05:55.19 | mikebledsoe | Ceo of Spartan Joe Decenna he gave me an unlimited amount of free registrations for my friends who all want to run it with me. He said I could have 200 people if I want and so ah, by the way if anyone wants to go run that race with me the. |
| 06:02.30 | Max Shank | Wow in Lake Tahill oh my god. |
| 06:14.75 | mikebledsoe | Will be the strong coach team will be just Dm me I'll send you the links to to get registered and yeah I want to have like 200 people running that race. All of us start together finish together. |
| 06:24.29 | Max Shank | Wow Same t-shirts on everybody like a excellent little ah tribe cult something or other I mean look it's a group. There are a lot of words for group Cult is a bit of a trigger word right. |
| 06:33.17 | mikebledsoe | You know what? I just ordered a bunch of t-shirts we can do. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, our cult is the best and ah so we're. |
| 06:42.69 | Max Shank | But that's what it is None rule in every cult. Our cult is the best thou shalt have no other cults or cult masters above me god the beakram yoga guy same same same rules. |
| 06:50.53 | mikebledsoe | Yes. |
| 06:55.33 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, ah yeah, probably so I'm preparing for that race and I've run it a couple times with very little preparation I did okay but I noticed that every time I run the race. The thing that bothers me the most is my knees hurt the last. |
| 07:04.11 | Max Shank | Or. |
| 07:13.16 | Max Shank | Of. |
| 07:14.60 | mikebledsoe | Quarter of it lot of downhill on rocks but I can make my knees stronger. There's things I can do to improve that My grip strength is definitely a limiter near the end. There's so much climbing so much picking and carrying things and um, like. |
| 07:27.46 | Max Shank | Interesting I am. |
| 07:34.39 | mikebledsoe | Overall cardio doesn't seem to be that big of ah a limiter I mean it it is but compared to just ah yeah, because near the end of the race you're picking up a None tire too. So you've run a dozen miles up and down hills carrying sandbags and buckets of sands and shit. |
| 07:50.20 | Max Shank | The. |
| 07:52.00 | mikebledsoe | And then it's like okay now flip this tire. So yeah, the the things I notice I'm like oh what I need to train for is I need to improve my grip strength endurance I need to improve my knee health and strength and I need to be able to pick up just heavy shit. And need to pick up something heavy every once in a while in in I say about three hundred pounds three hundred |
| 08:11.78 | Max Shank | How heavy we talking I think it's I think it's a great topic that we just touched on here because it's nice to get practical because kind of like it. It all comes full circle. It's very similar to. Knowing how to make a great recipe so you go from a guy who just chops up the vegetables to the guy who's assembling everything together the line cook and then you got the head Chef who's doing you know flavor profiles and combinations and he's the artist and that kind of ties us back to that intuitive eating. |
| 08:44.69 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. Yeah, yeah. |
| 08:50.26 | Max Shank | You were talking about if you have no intuition to intuit like what the fuck are you doing like I've I've been really mindfully eating these twinkies and I'm really intuitively you know I feel like I could walk about None steps and burn these up that seems like a reasonable. Exchange you will never you I'm still surprised how efficient we are at utilizing at saving calories. Anyway. |
| 09:13.33 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, what you can um ho that makes me think you can hone intuition and the only way to hone it is you got to be paying attention to the results. So so the twinkie 10 steps thing. It's a great idea. But say someone eats twinkies does ten steps day after day after day and they just get fatter and fatter. Then if you're paying you go? Oh well so the intuition is something that gets calibrated and it gets calibrated by results. So the people who lack intuition. |
| 09:38.35 | Max Shank | Totally. |
| 09:50.96 | mikebledsoe | I find just aren't paying attention to the results because if you're paying attention to the inputs and the outputs then you're going to be honing that intuition. But if you're not paying attention to those things then you'll never have it and you'll just suffer and struggle through life. |
| 10:05.50 | Max Shank | Is it I think of it like intuition is a certain openness and then the way to hone it like you said is to take that intuition and harmonize it with your wisdom which is. |
| 10:23.31 | mikebledsoe | You know. |
| 10:23.90 | Max Shank | All the stuff that you've learned with respect to who you authentically are which which is some combination of your genes and your experiences and the weird stories you believe. But I think it's about harmonizing that like openness gut. Instinct Raw like Curiosity spark of inspiration. Whatever and then passing it through okay is this is this congruent on some level with what I have experienced and then from there having the openness to try something new or having the resolve to. Go is something that you have good experience with so ah, intuitive training is where I was going with it so we went intuitive cooking to eating to training now. |
| 11:00.42 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, agreed but going back going back to Spartan Race and intuition and I I know that yeah yeah so now it's I know that I need to work on a handful of things if I want to enjoy myself on the race more I'll experience less pain and suffering I know I'm Goingnna finish. But how much pain how much pain am I going to finish it. So yeah, so. |
| 11:18.67 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 11:29.90 | Max Shank | We all want that for you. |
| 11:37.15 | mikebledsoe | Basically just start mapping it out and I have an idea for like what things I'm going to train on one day's but I'm not writing out the specific exercises and if I get to that day and I realize I still haven't recovered from this or that or whatever I'm making adjustments along the way. So I got ten weeks |
| 11:37.78 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 11:47.50 | Max Shank | Um, so so you'll so you'll have ten weeks until that I mean look I'll take any excuse almost any excuse to go back to Lake Tahoe ah although as a rule I typically only run when I'm chasing something or being chased could I be a chaser I feel like that's more my nature honestly. |
| 12:05.13 | mikebledsoe | We can. We could make that work I think we should just find a really fast hot girl to run in front of you and. |
| 12:17.96 | Max Shank | I'll catch her so fast. It will be game over I'll I'll run one fortieth of the race. Um, no, but so is your checklist then for. |
| 12:26.31 | mikebledsoe | Oh. |
| 12:34.75 | Max Shank | You're let's say you're like filling in the gaps right? And that's another thing I would love to talk about at some point is the difference in mentality between just fluffing up your ego and a few certain things versus really looking for like really looking for. Where you have the ability to improve right? Ah, it's It's a checkup. |
| 12:54.71 | mikebledsoe | Well, that's why I run the spartan race every year I go to tahoe every fall and I run it. It's and it's an annual checkup I only have to go once a year and I know yeah. |
| 13:04.31 | Max Shank | Um, Dr Spartan Doctor Spartan Dr Spartan says he fucking suck it hanging. |
| 13:11.19 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, So it's like well it's a good check because there's very few skills that you're not going to practice out there. Um, So there's some that are going to be left off for sure. But in ah in a single day you're going to know a lot about yourself. And so I really love it for that. |
| 13:30.39 | Max Shank | Well here's ah, here's a little phrase I like it's ah done today able tomorrow done today able tomorrow and it's kind of a shorter version of if you don't use it. You lose it. |
| 13:39.60 | mikebledsoe | M. |
| 13:49.53 | Max Shank | And ah, a positive version. So I'm guessing for your annual tahoe checkup that you do almost nothing related to the spartan race for about ten months and then you do two months of like. Very dedicated training for it is that would you say that's correct. |
| 14:11.46 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, you're spot on. Maybe even let maybe more like eleven months typically this is is it's 10 weeks I'm I'm um, this is the most prepared I've gone in so far I even ran this past weekend. |
| 14:17.24 | Max Shank | Ah, you did just say eight weeks so I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. But. Are. |
| 14:30.72 | mikebledsoe | And um I don't do that ah very often at all. |
| 14:33.79 | Max Shank | I I feel like you have this knowing that you can do nothing activity wise and still finish that Spartan race. Yeah I see it. |
| 14:46.24 | mikebledsoe | That's the problem. Yeah. |
| 14:50.67 | Max Shank | I Wish you guys could see his face right now. |
| 14:53.28 | mikebledsoe | Ah, ah. |
| 14:56.80 | Max Shank | Ah I was just thinking strategically if I were going to recommend to someone how to prepare for such an experience. Ah it wouldn't be the way that you're talking about. It's far from optimal in terms of a progressive. |
| 15:03.82 | mikebledsoe | No, no, no, it's definitely far from optimal. Yeah I Just want to not hurt I Want to see because last time my knees. |
| 15:15.50 | Max Shank | Adaptation right? So but not that bad right? like like ten months off a year hey I think that's totally a fair trade quite honestly, it's. |
| 15:23.31 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, like it's only one day of pain one one day of pain. Yeah. |
| 15:33.36 | Max Shank | It would be a lot of hours throughout the year otherwise but let's say you train five days a week for the next ten weeks is that about right. |
| 15:42.37 | mikebledsoe | Ah, we'll call it 4 But yeah, None is aggressive for me I'm ah I need a lot of time to recover. |
| 15:45.15 | Max Shank | Um, okay, so none a lot I was just thinking though if instead of forty days out of sixty days if you did. Fifty two days out of none what the difference in bet because that would be once a week just thinking mathematically, that's probably what I would recommend somebody do. But then again the thing I really recommend is move around a little bit every day. Why wouldn't you. It's like. |
| 16:04.20 | mikebledsoe | A. |
| 16:18.66 | mikebledsoe | Do yeah well I already do that. So that's why the that's why I liked. That's what I do I I move nice and easy every day and then when it comes to something like this do some sports specific training ramp it up. |
| 16:21.87 | Max Shank | It's like you get to make it's like you get to make deposits and compound daily instead of weekly. E. |
| 16:36.26 | mikebledsoe | And then I go back to being lazy. It's great. Definitely not running too far. |
| 16:38.76 | Max Shank | And not running too far I can I can run after a tennis ball or like a soccer ball or frisbee or something like that. But when it's like hey just run over there. Part of me is like why. |
| 16:51.93 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I like to I like to eat a little bit of mushrooms at the starting line and hang. You know it's a time to hang out with my friends in nature. That's that's really the way to go don't tell Joe that I do that the start of his race. |
| 17:01.50 | Max Shank | Nice and it. |
| 17:08.64 | mikebledsoe | Take performance enhancing mushrooms. |
| 17:09.54 | Max Shank | Yeah I won't tell him on our public podcast. |
| 17:14.44 | mikebledsoe | This is the members only section. What do you want to talk about today up out showing the nipple. |
| 17:17.25 | Max Shank | Oh there's the members only section hang on that's the nipples Lefty writing. Okay, if you have a formula that works you stick with it. |
| 17:31.47 | mikebledsoe | That's right, still don't have the membership side up you but we'll get there. Um, it's probably good that have a number of these banked since they' probably 15 toy minutes piece ah topics for today 1 um. |
| 17:33.80 | Max Shank | Perfect. It's coming. |
| 17:46.73 | mikebledsoe | 1 that is on top of my mind is ah I don't know that's what fit in maybe this will be just good for the members only to to hear but my brother is currently in Washington d c on trial for January six yeah Yeah |
| 18:03.10 | Max Shank | Bumbom bum. |
| 18:05.51 | mikebledsoe | He is according to some bumbling idiots a domestic terrorist that is a very scary phrase. |
| 18:11.77 | Max Shank | Oh good God That's a scary phrase I've hey ah you're you're breaking up I I can't be seen talking to you anymore I'm out of here. |
| 18:20.31 | mikebledsoe | Um, ah anyways, yeah, um, he he got caught up in the crowd that walked into the the ah was it called the capitol building and ah. |
| 18:31.80 | Max Shank | Point life. |
| 18:39.49 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I was. |
| 18:40.18 | Max Shank | I'm sure that happened exactly the way they say it happened right? Sure it happened. However, folks say it happened come on I Hope he's okay I hope it works out. Okay for him. |
| 18:44.99 | mikebledsoe | Whoever they are. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it. So that's he's in good spirits. He's um, yeah, he's my mom's up there with him and it's It's hard of my mom. That's the worst part. |
| 19:02.20 | Max Shank | Oh yeah. |
| 19:02.80 | mikebledsoe | Because I my brother. He's even my brother hat here's the thing is everything that I know that if justice prevails he walks away scott free but I don't yeah, we're not witnessing justice and you know that the United States department of justice. |
| 19:08.60 | Max Shank | Ah, but. |
| 19:22.89 | mikebledsoe | Doesn't It's like the opposite of that. So. |
| 19:23.60 | Max Shank | That was a big weight off my shoulders when I stopped expecting Justice to happen and then getting frustrated when it didn't now it's more like if it does I'm pleasantly surprised but I kind of have this understanding that it's a doggy dog world and some people use. |
| 19:28.18 | mikebledsoe | Um, to bonus. |
| 19:41.99 | Max Shank | Dicks and some people use language and really people are just trying to help some help each other out fuck each other over dog eat dog. Whatever it's fine like but don't don't live your life expecting like oh that's not fair. Someone should make this fair. It's like yo don't don't expect that. |
| 19:59.20 | mikebledsoe | That's you're gonna be miserable if you think if you want things to be fair. |
| 20:01.74 | Max Shank | I lived that I lived that life a man in search of Justice got fucking idiot. |
| 20:06.71 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, so that's going on this week so I'm going to be I'm lucky that I'll be spending the majority of my time this week hunting. So I won't be cut up and I'll be off off grid for a few days. |
| 20:19.51 | Max Shank | A. |
| 20:24.50 | mikebledsoe | I mean I wish I could do something support him I Really don't have any like he's kind of like where he's at. There's not really much I can do at this point. So. |
| 20:33.49 | Max Shank | There's a lot of situations like that where people say what's going on. You really have nothing to add. You're like I guess talk to an attorney and no one else and don't say anything and that's it like what else can you do. |
| 20:43.74 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, um, yeah, have no idea. So yeah, that's an interesting thing So I'll be I'll be witnessing that and probably getting messages through the family text message thread. Yeah. |
| 20:47.64 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 20:56.21 | Max Shank | While while you're hunting What are you hunting for. |
| 21:01.54 | mikebledsoe | Wild boar. So um. |
| 21:02.71 | Max Shank | And your true self. |
| 21:07.64 | mikebledsoe | My truest self I ought for sure. So yeah I don't know that really I mean that's not really a topic I think I part I already said everything that there is but it's all my mind. So no. |
| 21:10.13 | Max Shank | Ah. |
| 21:18.38 | Max Shank | Um, definitely something on your mind though Yo that's a man, especially for your mom too. That's tough. |
| 21:28.20 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, real tough. Well he he also has 2 daughters. So yeah, yeah, it's ah. |
| 21:32.20 | Max Shank | Oh my God they opened the door for him did he knock down a door. No come on you walk through a door. What's the big deal. |
| 21:40.83 | mikebledsoe | No, no, they walked through a door that police officers were holding open. There's it's ah it's pretty ridiculous. That's and it's ridiculous. |
| 21:52.12 | Max Shank | Yeah, that's what I mean it's like let some lawyer do that I realize it's like ah mathematics is so that you can explain more with less and law is so you can explain less with more. It's like the exact opposite. |
| 22:08.38 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 22:12.40 | Max Shank | Of the language of the universe. It's such a fucking cluster fuck. It's disgusting that that's where my shadow self comes out. It's like oh let's just skin those fuckers alive for abusing the language to rape the people. |
| 22:17.11 | mikebledsoe | It's it's disgusting. |
| 22:24.68 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, well if you if you're initiating violence then I think that it's in who are you know whoever is experiencing the violence from somebody else has a right to defend themselves and I think what we have is a bunch of people who've twisted up some words that. |
| 22:37.36 | Max Shank | Hundred percent |
| 22:43.76 | mikebledsoe | And then convinced these people who are supposed to be peace officers to go conduct violence and it's ah it's really frustrating. It's really frustrating situation. Yeah, it is outrageous. Yeah. |
| 22:50.10 | Max Shank | Um, it's outrageous. Yeah I mean it all depends what you compare it to like before the King could just say off with his head and you're like huh This is I get this is better than that for sure like it's way better for a lot of reasons. But. |
| 23:04.58 | mikebledsoe | It is better than that. Yeah, the the principles the same. The principle is the same. Yeah. |
| 23:09.48 | Max Shank | You know, still you got to hold the line on some level right? and I think that's what you and I that's kind of what you and I talk about right is it's not that like we want to help people free themselves like I often say I don't want to be your mama like I don't want to control anybody I don't want to be responsible for them either. Like I don't think that's a ah good trade. That's what makes these folks who think they know best for everybody their existence So sad is they believe that at some point they will finally feel safe or good enough or whatever when they tell enough other people what to do with their meddling ways. But. You know it's just never enough and they're always feeling totally um at odds or at War within the present Moment. It's pretty fucked up actually. |
| 23:56.63 | mikebledsoe | It makes and makes it for those of us folks that just mind our own business. Just yeah, it can be irritating. But if you get really good at mining your own business. They usually leave you alone. |
| 24:10.64 | Max Shank | Yeah I would agree with that I think ah like most people that just leave alone I mean minus like the the fractional. Slavery that we all participated but there are positive aspects undeniably. So It's done horribly bad but there are positive aspects so you like got to keep that optimism though. Maybe no no opt fuck man. |
| 24:24.00 | mikebledsoe | Um, yeah. |
| 24:34.10 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, maybe we'll see yeah walk. Yeah. |
| 24:41.37 | Max Shank | If you have no optimism you just don't do anything. That's that's the line is if you don't feel like there's a hope or belief for something positive in the future. Even if it's like I'm going to paint a picture later make ah sausage macaroni and cheese. You know you you got to have some. Ah. |
| 24:58.57 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, what I I think I think the reality of it is is like we we look at the entire system and it's and it's really gross, but the what I look at like the the way we got here is because people didn't stand on principle. |
| 25:00.71 | Max Shank | Belief or hope for the future. |
| 25:17.49 | mikebledsoe | Ah, long time ago and so this thing is blood so far in and if you try to take it back on principle all the way back to where it should be to where the consent you know I give consent or not if you take it all the way back to the principle which is what happens is people snap out of it and go oh my God I never gave consent. |
| 25:24.37 | Max Shank | Um, right. |
| 25:35.44 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 25:37.19 | mikebledsoe | And ah, you know they realize they're being rape and they then they go Oh I'm going to draw the line back where it should be and that's jarring like Society Society has a really hard time going adjusting to where things should be. |
| 25:47.86 | Max Shank | Right. Oh Man So true. |
| 25:54.97 | mikebledsoe | And yeah, so we got to like when I look at I go. How do we like stare step this thing back gradually the same way it got in which is going to be way harder to do than how we got here. It's kind of like losing weight so much easier to get fat. |
| 26:10.27 | Max Shank | Yo you know what? it's like it's exactly like someone finally drawing boundaries with another person and the person who has been infringing on the boundaries unknowingly. |
| 26:20.20 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 26:27.67 | Max Shank | Because that None person has not been drawing those boundaries. They're totally shocked. They're like whoa this is a completely different person because it's such a big separation from that false ah boundary that you had that false front. Um. |
| 26:40.91 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I what do you want? Do the show today. You want to do boundaries I know if we did boundaries or not yet. |
| 26:48.35 | Max Shank | Ah, probably I mean I think the the power of no is like None of my favorite none principles concepts and um, ah. Feel like I almost drone on about that all the time but that's almost the only important thing is like can you say no and then can you can you hear No the no callous. Um I don't know if that's a full topic but we could talk about tahoe. |
| 27:15.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, all right I like that the power of no, we don't have to go. You know we have to go like an hour hou hour hou hour fifteen every time we can just say the power of no and we got the. |
| 27:31.38 | Max Shank | Have we done the power of no before. |
| 27:31.97 | mikebledsoe | This section which is almost a half hour already I don't think so I don't remember writing that one down. Yeah. |
| 27:37.43 | Max Shank | Ah, okay, well let's let's try a power of no slash like tahoe. Yeah, sure. |
| 27:44.79 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, all right? you want can get off. |
| 27:52.65 | Max Shank | Oh you mean like right now. Okay hey everybody welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're gonna talk to you about the power of no and the power of 1 of the most beautiful places ever. Lake. |
| 27:53.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, like right now. |
| 28:12.56 | Max Shank | Tahoe on the border of Nevada and California thanks for tuning in everybody mikey. Thanks for joining me again. |
| 28:19.00 | mikebledsoe | of course. of course so um we're going to get that power of no, but yeah, just a quick quick note I will be arriving in tahoe the week of September Twenty four to run a spartan race. |
| 28:26.98 | Max Shank | Are. |
| 28:36.90 | mikebledsoe | And anybody who wants to join me. They get a free registration Joe Decena the Ceo of Spartan Race basically gifted us as many registrants as we want. So if you want to run the race with me shoot me up in the Dms and ah I'll be prepping for that I don't know if I'll be posting my training. Ah, hate posting training online but people fucking. Love it. |
| 28:57.25 | Max Shank | I want to see tupper wares fully your food all lined up in a row for this I want to see you get serious like 1 of those like actual you know, athlete folks. Ah. |
| 29:11.60 | mikebledsoe | I I kind of enjoy I enjoy that I don't have to do that and I'll still beat some of those people like I remember I remember. |
| 29:20.57 | Max Shank | Um, oh yeah, we know? ah. |
| 29:26.24 | mikebledsoe | Remember 4 was it four years ago I was running the race and I had ah None my buddies with me and 1 of the guys he bought and sold cannabis for a living so he may or may not have been classified as a drug dealer now we halfway through the race. My edible. Was wearing off and I was like oh no I'm feeling sober and he looks over and pulls out a little plastic wrapped joint and whips it out on the trail we blaze it halfway through gets me through the end of the race and um. |
| 29:55.36 | Max Shank | Wow. Um, how long is this race. Oh a spartan race is eighteen miles holy god |
| 30:03.46 | mikebledsoe | Eighteen miles well they have different links but this 1 is eighteen miles with four thousand feet of elevation climb. So. |
| 30:15.96 | Max Shank | Sounds horrible. |
| 30:18.84 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it's pretty largerous and you're gonna do a swim at the top. It's it's like ° at this pond at the top of the hill they say 21 k but it could be as long as some years. It's longer than others but the year they. |
| 30:22.68 | Max Shank | Jesus None obstacles for this spartan race. Um, good god. |
| 30:35.26 | mikebledsoe | The year that they told me it was gonna be thirteen miles and end up being 18 Ah so at least well it's 30 obstacles. So it's we'll say it's thirteen miles so hop marathon plus thirty obstacles. |
| 30:42.96 | Max Shank | Dude, that's that's like a None marathon at least is what we're talking. We're talking about a None marathon. |
| 30:52.92 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 30:54.39 | mikebledsoe | Where you're carrying heavy things up and down the mountain. Ah, you know, maybe a hundred to two hundred yards at a time. So it's. |
| 30:58.73 | Max Shank | Wow I'm interested to look into the obstacles a little bit more it sounds exciting but it doesn't sound like what I would want to actually do it. It does seem more fun. |
| 31:12.67 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I mean that's why I. |
| 31:17.99 | Max Shank | Then a race I saw that went through Death Valley 120 or something miles finished started in Death Valley hottest place in the world and then finished at the base of Mount Whitney in California and I just happened to we just drove through it. On the way back from tahoe and we saw these ah skeletons covered in ah bright white underarmor clothing from head to toe stumbling. It was just I was just thinking I can't think of a worse. Ah, athletic event than. Ah, hundred plus mile run through Death Valley that's obscene to me amazing that we can do it amazing that people can push to that limit. |
| 31:57.25 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. It is obscene. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, well anyways, yeah, a few years ago I ran the race. We peeled off smoke the joint and there were half the people running by were jealous and the other half were disgusted. |
| 32:21.87 | Max Shank | Yeah I think it'll be a different percentage now. Probably I think less discussed more more jealousy. It's one of those things. |
| 32:23.28 | mikebledsoe | That we would do such a thing during a race.. What do you think?? What do you think it's going to be probably probably people people are having to learn how to enjoy themselves and the people that are gonna come out in race right now. Probably. Ah, a little bit looser. |
| 32:46.89 | Max Shank | I'm surprised that ah Spartan had that many prudes Anyway I think it's more of a judgment call because I bet there are a bunch of booze bags judging that right. |
| 32:53.20 | mikebledsoe | I Don't you know I don't know I don't think so I think a lot of them are pretty clean. |
| 32:58.29 | Max Shank | I Mean not personally like you know I'm not into kink shaming like whatever you want to do coffee ah cocoa puffs like that's a cereal right? Coco puffs like chocolate Chocolate Mu Balls essentially. |
| 33:15.61 | mikebledsoe | It's a it's a dessert disguised as a breakfast. |
| 33:17.67 | Max Shank | But food is drugs. Coffee is drugs alcohol is drugs weed is drugs you might as well take something that's going to make your endurance better I mean that's that's definitely something right? That's what you're talking about that's what weed's for endurance. Wow. |
| 33:30.70 | mikebledsoe | That's what the weeds for yeah oh yeah, for sure. Yeah, um, t hc binds the same receptor as ah, the name of it is eskating me but it's up. It's it's what causes the runners high and so Tc binds are the same one so you basically fall into that groove a lot sooner and the more time you spend in that groove the better your endurance is going to be because your nervous system is in a rhythm and it's. |
| 33:48.80 | Max Shank | 1 |
| 34:03.29 | Max Shank | Um. |
| 34:04.90 | mikebledsoe | It's calm and you're breathing really well and so ah, yeah, cannabis is ah you know amongst the people who know about it. There's a lot of endurance athletes who use it and it's it's great for that. Not great for picking up something heavy None time or moving incredibly fast. But for for repetitive motion over a long period of time. It's ah it's a wonderful substance. |
| 34:31.63 | Max Shank | Um, definitely an endurance performance enhancer. |
| 34:36.51 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, one of my favorite things to do when I was living in California was eating edible wait an hour and then just go run on the beach until I got tired I like go run on the beach I'd get tired I'd go swimming I'd run a little more go swimming crawl around. |
| 34:53.80 | Max Shank | Um, sounds pretty complex and scientific ah program design there. Ah. |
| 34:53.88 | mikebledsoe | Ah, was fucking weird about there. |
| 35:03.81 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, um, you do we want to get in the power of no. |
| 35:09.15 | Max Shank | Yeah, because you need to set some boundaries so that you can make your spartan race training a little bit more serious none of this like I'm going to sit on my ass for ten months and then just train for two months we need. We need to set boundaries. For spartan training year-round. It's time for you to take this seriously. |
| 35:30.56 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, Well I Think what you're getting at is you know when I when I think about boundaries and the power of no like boundaries is your ability to say no and there's internal boundaries and then external Boundaries. So Most people I find that I get ah angry when I. When I cross my internal boundaries I might project that out on somebody else, but the yeah the internal boundaries I got to tell myself no to staying up late when I know I'm gonna train the next day I gotta be able to tell myself no to eating that donut or whatever it is and. |
| 36:00.44 | Max Shank | On here. |
| 36:07.55 | mikebledsoe | That can be really really difficult. But I think that at the core of that is really good I'm surrounded by good stuff. It's um, it's unfair. |
| 36:08.92 | Max Shank | Especially if the stuff is really good like like saying no to broccoli is way easier than saying no to crack probably probably I think ah. |
| 36:18.94 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I. Oh Man I Once had a friend who had tried crackout and he was like dude you should definitely try it because it's so good and don't know like make sure you don't know where to get more because you'll go get more. Oh go. Okay. |
| 36:43.00 | Max Shank | Um, I mean he clearly doesn't think you're a very good detective but like you have this mind altertering experience. That's like nothing you've ever had and you're. |
| 36:43.61 | mikebledsoe | That sounds like I'm not going to try it. Yeah. |
| 37:00.30 | Max Shank | Willingness to do some detective work to find someone is like 0 I mean you could find crack. |
| 37:02.96 | mikebledsoe | That's what you got like have someone drop you off on a desert island for like a week and then you know hit it on the first day. So I think that's the way that's how you have to go. |
| 37:11.92 | Max Shank | Um, how to do crack by Mike Blood so how to ah. |
| 37:17.74 | mikebledsoe | Um, but yeah, going back to the boundaries. The no is like telling yourself no is basically parenting yourself most people don't have good internal boundaries and they do a bunch of shit that they know that if they let children do that same thing. They would be doing that child a disservice. |
| 37:41.20 | Max Shank | I've heard that when you can parent yourself is when you are considered an adult. That's one definition that I like of it I'm I'm not there yet myself. Um. |
| 37:46.79 | mikebledsoe | Yep. Um, that's a definition I like to run around with. |
| 37:56.50 | Max Shank | With everything ah or or or am I I mean something I think about is like you're really just making bets cost benefit analysis. So as long as you're getting what you want out of it. That's. |
| 37:56.51 | mikebledsoe | No, not with everything I think it's a lifelong thing adulting. |
| 38:15.15 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and over time though. |
| 38:15.58 | Max Shank | It's all good like do I drink too much coffee. That's that's a question I've been thinking about lately because I drink a lot of coffee maybe like four four ah diluted cups a day. |
| 38:22.32 | mikebledsoe | Why have you been thinking about it. |
| 38:30.70 | mikebledsoe | So what? What? What? What? Why could that? be bad for you. |
| 38:33.12 | Max Shank | Pour in oh I have no idea I mean I've I've read into like some of the reasons why but I just wonder if it's if it's worth being such a regular part of the routine and and there's not really ah, a clear and definitive answer on it. |
| 38:49.00 | mikebledsoe | I think that coffee was popularized as a healthy thing by bulletproof Dave Asprey did a really good job of making it. Okay, um oh yeah. |
| 39:00.88 | Max Shank | Um, you think so I thought I thought it was like reasonably healthy before. |
| 39:06.71 | mikebledsoe | Um I don't think it was held on the same pedestal I mean it's considered like a health product. At this point if you buy the right coffee you're drink you're drinking the smart intelligent healthy coffee. But if you drink the other coffee. You're just a. |
| 39:14.91 | Max Shank | In. |
| 39:20.99 | Max Shank | Um, well, it's like how about smart water. How about that brand Are you kidding me as Genius The bottles are very liked by hikers because they're pretty sturdy and very lightweight but we were thinking about the branding of smart water. |
| 39:25.66 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, muggle. |
| 39:31.57 | mikebledsoe | Blew it away. |
| 39:40.92 | Max Shank | That that takes a lot of balls right? Smart I mean you would think someone must have thought of that before but look at that smartwater the smart coach. |
| 39:48.50 | mikebledsoe | Maybe maybe I should have called my business. The smart coach instead of the strong coach. |
| 39:58.97 | Max Shank | I Mean technically that's more what you would want. |
| 39:59.00 | mikebledsoe | Ah, the smart Coach fuck. |
| 40:03.36 | Max Shank | You just have you just have pictures of these like really buff idiots. Ah I ah man. Okay, so look boundaries being able to say no. |
| 40:12.35 | mikebledsoe | Ah, er. |
| 40:23.30 | Max Shank | To yourself is that's basically wisdom right? because you're not going purely off instinct and we talked a little bit about intuition and instinct in the pre-show today right? Well, there's a pre-show and you'll see my nipples. |
| 40:34.10 | mikebledsoe | Ah, we didn't mention the pre-show. |
| 40:42.69 | Max Shank | I at least show them on camera. So if you're listening, you'll know when they're there and we talk about some pretty cool stuff I liked the pre-show today. |
| 40:50.17 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the pre-show was loaded with good content today and and personal sharing information. so yeah yeah yeah so um at some point. |
| 40:59.95 | Max Shank | That's true. There was some good personal sharing. It's like a little therapy session for all of us there. |
| 41:07.75 | mikebledsoe | The bloodsideher dot Com I'll have a link set up so that you can get access to the ah the membership site which will be donation based. That's all all back to boundaries. |
| 41:13.65 | Max Shank | Um, Boom back to boundaries boundaries with yourself say no to drugs such a funny phrase right? I mean that's why I always love coffee as the example, right? they're they're talking about like crack and that stuff. Um. Being able to say no to other people is not a skill that everyone has. They're really concerned that people won't like them anymore if they draw the boundary they actually want and what's funny is sometimes that's true because you're growing up. People are pretty immature. And then you're an adult and people are still pretty immature and if you do something that someone doesn't like they'll treat you different. So It's normal that you would try to be either accommodating or more dominating in order to get.. It's like whatever ah strategy you learned. And so if you're one of the accommodating Types. You're going to feel really nervous to say no to people and I can I can take a lot to get back into the rotation and like I said earlier the people who you draw those boundaries with suddenly are going to feel ah like whiplash. |
| 42:14.92 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 42:29.12 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, the um yeah, you're you're when you set a new boundary or you know, maybe it's a boundary that you've had internally that you've never communicated and then you say you know what I'm going to communicate this boundary right now and people. |
| 42:29.30 | Max Shank | There's gonna be a shock. |
| 42:48.33 | mikebledsoe | Are expecting you to behave a certain way and when you verbalize a boundary for the None time you break that expectation and when people expect something to happen and it doesn't happen. They get they get attached to whatever story that. They have you in and when you when you fuck that story up by setting a new boundary. They yeah is really interesting how they might respond I think that's one of those things where ah that I've learned through a lot of the personal development work I've done is. I I might come out of a workshop and go. Oh Yeah I I have not been I discovered this boundary I've had I haven't been communicating it and then now my homework is to go communicate it and the process of and it takes a lot of courage to do that because the process of of. The unknown like by doing that you're stepping into the unknown you have no idea how the other person is going to respond and it's going to cause that person some level of stress consciously or or subconsciously and that's to me the practice of surrender is really. Saying what's true for you and then just again, we go back to paying attention paying attention to what how people respond to that and then adjust from there but there's no way to predict how someone's gonna ah respond to a new boundary I say most of the time when I'm. When I have a worst case scenario in my head about how someone's gonna respond to me. It almost never comes True. It's like that. The anticipation of how this person might respond to this is way worse. |
| 44:31.54 | Max Shank | Right. Well I've been holding back a lot. Actually I don't want to hurt your feelings you seem sensitive to me. Ah, all joking aside, um I agree with you completely. |
| 44:43.47 | mikebledsoe | Ah I am very sensitive. Yeah. |
| 44:55.10 | Max Shank | I think that when you are used to being accommodating and I'm not saying it's bad to be accommodating, but basically you fall into what I call a predictable strategy. It's just a predictable strategy or predictable plan. I learned that if I do this thing then I get this response and like you were saying we prefer that known pain or discomfort of not being true to ourselves to the unknown of holy fuck will will this person say that they hate me will they tell me to go fuck myself if i. Draw the boundary that I actually want to draw and there's even that that Mark Twain quote because I know you're big fan of Twain. He said that his tailor was the only reasonable man he ever met because he took my measurement new each time while everybody else. Measured me against who I was and I always thought that was a really nice None expectations not being met is kind of the root of all disappointment necessarily right? So people get mad when their expectations are not met. They get sad and their expectations are not. Matt but really, it's just an attachment to this future outcome and if you can get curious about the future to me. That's the best forward thinking mentality because it has a little bit of. Joy a little bit of excitement and it also kind of I think harmonizes the relationship with the unknown a little bit. It makes it a little more of a positive thing like when you say oh the storms can be unpredictable. You're like whoa. It's like a scary unknown almost. But. You're like I'm curious to see um, what the what the weather is like tomorrow. It feels very different. Yeah, so basically you're. |
| 46:53.82 | mikebledsoe | Very different energy. |
| 47:01.72 | Max Shank | By not drawing your boundary. You're admitting that you're attached to the response of the other person and and you think that is actually more valuable in your cost benefit analysis than saying what you really feel which would be drawing a boundary. |
| 47:06.14 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 47:17.71 | mikebledsoe | Saying No yeah I think I think um, ah yeah, big big part of the the pinch we're in in the world right? now is a lack of people I think sought out. |
| 47:21.19 | Max Shank | Yeah, it's pretty big. It's big month. |
| 47:37.55 | mikebledsoe | To be to to harmonize and to not rock the boat and so there's kind of like a death by a thousand cuts is like oh you know what? because values and boundaries go hand in hand this um that this value has been. You know I'm doing something or going along with something. It's not really in alignment with my values but it seems like the rest of the group want Yeah yeah, yeah. |
| 48:02.98 | Max Shank | The greater good the greater good the greater good. It's same old story man the great the greater good. You can convince people of just about anything if it's for some sort of greater. Good. |
| 48:18.58 | mikebledsoe | Um, how vague is the greater good like when people say the greater good. |
| 48:24.13 | Max Shank | What's more vague. Nothing is more vague. The great or bad I mean like it's It's a ridiculous phrase. It's this. It's this totally. Um, unscientific assumption that if you concentrate the decision making. |
| 48:30.22 | mikebledsoe | It's a ridiculous phrase. |
| 48:41.76 | Max Shank | To this guy. It'll be overall better off and we still don't know demonetized here. We come de you monetized. We still don't know if our ah emergency break reaction to whatever the fuck has been going on the last couple of years actually is better than doing literally nothing other than saying hey if you ah if you want to stay home. You can we? We don't know which would have been better and I'm not saying that would have been better but historically speaking. Ah. Bureaucrats usually make things about None to None times worse with what they do than if they had just done nothing and let people figure it out through consensual exchange. |
| 49:34.70 | mikebledsoe | No yeah, the the but I think the greater good thing is also interesting is I don't think most people see it as ah, giving control to a centralized group of people or individual. It's.. It's like um, it's when they say like they you know they say they're not even talking about an individual.. There's this.. There's this ominous so that's how I know that someone believes in God is when they they say things like the greater good like there's some. Magical being and my definition of God is different. But when I I run I Run I run into atheists all the time that believe in a in a being a magical being that knows what's the best for everybody and so. |
| 50:12.34 | Max Shank | So so it's like a unifying idea for you. Ah. |
| 50:27.56 | Max Shank | Um, does this magical being have a name. |
| 50:28.79 | mikebledsoe | But they're not. They're not even um, well it's it's probably whoever their favorite anchor is on the news or the you know or the newspaper that's in the the blue package the blue. |
| 50:38.59 | Max Shank | Here. |
| 50:47.93 | mikebledsoe | Rapper the New York Times you know as long as the New York Times said it you know now. Yeah, so it's like late they actually they they actually don't have. There's no end of they're not. They're not in recognition that they're even giving power to an individual because there's this. |
| 50:52.94 | Max Shank | I see Yeah so I God is like. |
| 51:06.74 | mikebledsoe | There's this mass media machine that is is spitting out this narrative and so anything. That's not that isn't for the greater good like that's that's in service of the greater. Good. So The fact that I think it's it's ah it's an interesting little trap that people find themselves in is because they're. Saying it's for the greater. Good. They believe it's for the greater good but they don't actually they're not I don't think most of those people are in recognition that they're giving power to a centralized control of people who who may not actually be that informed or that Um, what's the word I'm looking for. |
| 51:27.67 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 51:45.43 | mikebledsoe | Altruistic You know they they they believe that the people are doing the best they can. They're like them. That's that's the most that that's the they're like me. It's a lack of it's ah it's an inability for things like empathy. So the people who feel as though they're the most empathetic. |
| 51:45.60 | Max Shank | Um, right like them this they're like me. |
| 52:03.49 | mikebledsoe | Are usually the least empathetic because their their empathy is the projection of themselves instead of recognizing that people are different. |
| 52:08.20 | Max Shank | Well, it's elevation through depression like you have these victims and that elevates you you put yourself as the hero you have to put them as the victim. That's why I don't want to be anybody's savior. It's It's not a cool role. |
| 52:22.92 | mikebledsoe | No. |
| 52:25.11 | Max Shank | You know you don't want to be victims I don't want to be a hero just be a guy I think the way you're thinking of God a phrase struck me. It's intrinsic belief or intrinsic believability and that's kind of what God is. Like who who's your God is who you trust without really understanding. There's no reason to a lot of people worship money kind of like God or Worship. Um the state as a God Yeah yeah. |
| 52:54.10 | mikebledsoe | It's probably the biggest God I know of yeah, well when I say the biggest I mean the majority of the population is it. Worships money anything. |
| 53:02.46 | Max Shank | Way more people believe in money than believe in a Christian Catholic or whatever like any one of those. |
| 53:09.00 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, anyone well any any Christian like 99% of christians believe more in money than they do they do in the Christian god. |
| 53:17.72 | Max Shank | Oh snap smackdown. |
| 53:22.32 | mikebledsoe | Do you spend more time thinking about money or do you spend more time thinking about God where whatever you wherever you spend wherever you spent your attention is what you worship and that is your god. |
| 53:27.19 | Max Shank | Oh My God roasted I think you're probably right. Let he who is without Sin cast The None stone. |
| 53:41.81 | mikebledsoe | He. |
| 53:43.20 | Max Shank | Let he who is without sin cast the None stone. Oh you're you're calling out these non-believing christians for their lack of true faith right? they're they're pretending |
| 53:47.12 | mikebledsoe | Was was that in reference to. |
| 54:02.15 | Max Shank | They're pretending to love their religion but really they love money way more and they're not open and honest about that. |
| 54:04.93 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a it's a something that makes people feel better about themselves. |
| 54:11.44 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, I mean and I think ah in many cases I've seen religion be super constructive for some people. So yeah. |
| 54:18.39 | mikebledsoe | I Think it's I think it's constructed for most people I think most people lack order in their lives. They they do want someone else to tell them what to do how to live their life. Most people have zero moral compass. Ah. |
| 54:31.50 | Max Shank | Ah, but they don't do it at the barrel of a gun right? I Think that's what I like better about religion is it still giving you structure for the flow kind of what we were talking about before ah you need to have that structure for the flow. |
| 54:37.10 | mikebledsoe | They're not. |
| 54:48.14 | mikebledsoe | And what you're saying is it's voluntary. |
| 54:50.62 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, it's consensual. It's consensual is awesome baby. Nothing's hotter than consent I think it's pretty cool. |
| 54:58.63 | mikebledsoe | The the yeah yeah, what I what I think is funny. Is you got a bunch of ah I was in a conversation last night about ah blue states versus red states and getting in the conversation now. |
| 55:12.25 | Max Shank | In like a fight. It would be no contest be over so quick. Can you imagine if we just reverted to like an all out battle every 4 years. Amazing. |
| 55:17.51 | mikebledsoe | Um. |
| 55:23.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, ah the yeah. |
| 55:30.83 | Max Shank | Who we'd be more civil. The rest of the year too if we could just get it out. Not quite purge. Love not not purge like you know you get in the ring. You take a few punches with boxing gloves on. |
| 55:34.76 | mikebledsoe | Like ah like ah one day a year like the purge. Yeah. |
| 55:44.52 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, ah ah the reason I bring this up is like that the left and the right are interesting because like on the left. They really believe in consent when it comes to anything that's sexual in nature like there's but but when it comes to anything else. |
| 55:58.12 | Max Shank | Ah, yeah. |
| 56:04.56 | mikebledsoe | There's complete blindness to it and on the right? yeah and on the right they they want consent for certain things but completely disregard other things like people. |
| 56:06.64 | Max Shank | Um, it's like a mental illness both ways like how could you believe it's so weird. |
| 56:19.61 | mikebledsoe | I say this regularly like when people I'm talking to someone and they go what's wrong. Why do those people do this but then they do this. It doesn't add up and I go yeah most of what people are doing doesn't add up because they lack principles. They they. |
| 56:32.44 | Max Shank | Well um, almost everybody's a hypocrite on some level by the way like let's not put even ourselves up on like that high of a pedestal right? like everybody's working with that. |
| 56:36.20 | mikebledsoe | On some level. But percentage wise the amount of our life that we make decisions around are more principle based than the average person. The average person is going with Pop. Whatever's popular right? people go people want to be accepted by the group so they do what's popular. They don't. |
| 56:51.78 | Max Shank | God I Hope So yeah, true, true True true. |
| 57:00.59 | mikebledsoe | They're not running it through a filter of what are my values. What are my boundaries. What are my principle. What are the principles and by the way you don't get to choose the principles. The principles are are around us. Yeah, as I that's. |
| 57:10.32 | Max Shank | My body my choice across the board. My body my choice across the board that is what you're talking about that's why that's that's the only example because the only question the only important question just to cut through all this bullshit is who decides that's it. |
| 57:17.87 | mikebledsoe | A perfect example. |
| 57:29.33 | Max Shank | Do I decide or does some other guy decide. That's the only question that matters politically ever is who decides anytime it starts to get confusing. Just ask the question who decides and the argument crumbles for people who want to I don't know Gatekeeper A lady's vagina. People want to add some experimental fucking injections into your skin ah with the shortest track record of any kind of thing like that ever I mean these are both signs of mental illness to believe 1 about 1 and another about the other. It's ah. It's really weird. It almost forces people who are hyper left or hyper right to be mentally Ill like you have to shut off your thinking brain to think those are like some but. |
| 58:19.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah there's um, you know we look at like Socrates and talking about what what makes someone human it was ah practicing having the practice of being in touch with reality being in greater contact with reality. And this and this inability inability to see ah the principle at play like just completely unable ah is is being out of touch with reality. |
| 58:38.84 | Max Shank | Pretty pretty nebulous. |
| 58:46.20 | Max Shank | A. |
| 58:53.84 | Max Shank | I Like the dune experiment for figuring out if he's a human where they put his hand in the pain box and say if he takes it out. They'll cut his throat with a poisonous needle so he has to withstand tremendous pain. |
| 58:56.13 | mikebledsoe | In which. |
| 59:01.65 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 59:11.60 | Max Shank | Thinking He's like sacrificing his burning hand in order to keep his life and I think that is kind of the secret to wealth and planning and any of that is can you see can you see the big picture. Can you see the forest for the trees and the trick is you can't see the forest. And the trees at the same time so you have to alternate you have to cycle you have to hone in like a laser on something and then you got to open up your awareness like a lantern and take in everything around you to make sure that you're still focusing your energy. In the right direction kind of like we talked about with structure versus flow structure as the pipe flow is water if you don't have ah that that rushing water channeled somehow. Well you're just moving along with the River and that's fine, but you're going to go in the same direction as the rest of the water. |
| 01:00:03.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, and I the some my practice over time is I've had a easier time in my life being zoomed out than zoomed in and um I don't know if that's. |
| 01:00:15.98 | Max Shank | Are. |
| 01:00:21.86 | mikebledsoe | I would say that I could spend more time zoomed in I still spend more time zoomed in but I noticed that the amount of time I spent on considering when I think about expanding my awareness around something that lantern there's there's 2 ah dimensions to consider one is space and the other one is time. |
| 01:00:23.57 | Max Shank | Indian. |
| 01:00:41.80 | mikebledsoe | And so there's there's what's happening right now and there's what I want to happen in None ears There's also what's happening right now in the space that I'm in but what's happening in you know, Dc right now or just right down the street like how much. How much space can you consider and how much time can you consider when you're making your decisions when you're setting the vision. What how much can you consider? most people don't practice that expansion of time and space when setting the vision. |
| 01:01:04.70 | Max Shank | How many variables go into your decision making equation right. |
| 01:01:18.30 | mikebledsoe | Or making decisions. Um and because of that for anyone who is unable to do that. They're more easily to be controlled by someone who does do that. |
| 01:01:29.19 | Max Shank | Absolutely Um I think the average person is constantly pushed and pulled by a variety of forces to do things that are as frictionless as possible and for them as Motionless as possible. And those are forces. Um from a software engineering standpoint from a psychological engineering standpoint and also from an evolutionary standpoint.. There's nothing better for a curious lazy Monkey mind who's trying to maximize efficiency to just sit around and Watch. An Endless stream of crazy shit. So if you don't draw that Boundary. You're never going to pick your head up and ah like I'm not trying to call anyone out or anything but you see some of these kids these days. Fucking kids I hate that phrase. What am I doing that for these kids these days I feel old saying that feel silly I don't feel old until I talk like that. But basically they're like looking straight down into the telephone and it's adults too. Don't get me wrong while they're walking. Maybe they walk. |
| 01:02:26.28 | mikebledsoe | You're so old. |
| 01:02:42.30 | Max Shank | Into traffic. Maybe they walk off a cliff something like that. But it's the perfect visual of someone who's so ah, locked in psychologically onto something that isn't even really good for them and when we talk about drawing boundaries for ourselves like I'm going to say no to crack today every day I'm like. I'm going to say no to crack and every day I have so far and it feels like a little like a little victory like I didn't do crack again and ah if I do crack though. It'll be bad. |
| 01:03:02.63 | mikebledsoe | Yes. |
| 01:03:10.84 | mikebledsoe | We also you also have like ah we have a record breaking ah amount of kids on things like Sslris on antidepressants and anti-angolytics things that things that dep. |
| 01:03:21.60 | Max Shank | Yeah, those are good drugs Mike those are good drugs. They're just good for you. Everyone should be on those right? They're on the Tv isn't it like 75% of commercials pharmaceutical ones. |
| 01:03:30.80 | mikebledsoe | You know what's interesting is think about this? Yeah, it's It's a lot. Ah every news. |
| 01:03:39.84 | Max Shank | There's got to be something wrong with you. Are you watching the Tv there's something wrong. |
| 01:03:42.48 | mikebledsoe | Um, well,, there's ah, there's a theory that ah one of the reasons that the government is so friendly to pharmaceutical companies is that when under the influence of these these drugs that. People become docile way more easy to control like like please pass the xanax out please pass What I don't know these drugs are called anymore. |
| 01:04:01.33 | Max Shank | Holy yeah, totally totally. |
| 01:04:09.90 | Max Shank | If I was going to get a bus full of people on a field trip and I had the choice between giving them heroin or crack at the beginning I would clearly choose heroin every time they would be mostly still. |
| 01:04:20.86 | mikebledsoe | Exactly. |
| 01:04:25.87 | Max Shank | Could be like hey we're going over to this bench over here way easier to control that that doesn't surprise me one bit. |
| 01:04:31.26 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah, so yeah I've heard discussions of you know? ah the food supply being fucked up in certain ways intentionally as well to reduce the amount of testosterone that men have because. |
| 01:04:46.70 | Max Shank | When people get afraid also like a ah scared stoned guy. He'll do anything. He'll do anything you want that guy is scared and stoned. You're like hey I need your left leg but I'll protect you until tomorrow. Thank God you're here. |
| 01:04:59.19 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, could you imagine I was I was the last couple years I've just been thinking about people popping and all these pills and then watching Tv so you're you're popping pills and watching Tv you have no autonomy you you are. |
| 01:05:03.20 | Max Shank | Ah. Oh My god. |
| 01:05:15.70 | mikebledsoe | You are a hundred percent slave at that point and pc what's that. |
| 01:05:17.73 | Max Shank | Npc Baby Npcs a non-player character I'm ah showing my nerd card here. But ah when you're when you're playing ah an rpg or a role playing game I don't play a lot of them these days but there were some good ones. A non-player character is character in the game um played by the computer software. It's not another person like you or me it's just like a software thing and they they respond very predictably. You know. |
| 01:05:45.78 | mikebledsoe | Um, well isn't this like some somewhat of the premise of the matrix and. |
| 01:05:50.65 | Max Shank | Very much so the premise of the matrix even more so the premise of that was it free guy I think I saw it free free free guy. It's like ah ah no, no, no, it's deadpool it isn. |
| 01:06:01.39 | mikebledsoe | What's that oh is that the Markie Mark film Ryan ran oh yeah yeah I saw that. |
| 01:06:10.55 | Max Shank | Ryan Reynolds and he's ah he's like a video game character that comes to life somehow with some general ai code and it's kind of a fun like a rite of passage I guess his rite of passage is going from like a. Ah, computer character like ah do this I go to the bank. Whatever to like a regular. |
| 01:06:32.80 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and he wakes up and he's like like something something wakes him up. Yeah. |
| 01:06:37.63 | Max Shank | Something clicks different I can't remember exactly what it yeah matrix same way as like wake up Neo and then so you're right. |
| 01:06:43.57 | mikebledsoe | Well, that's a think the thing that I that I that I um get curious about because I I think these movies are good. Analogies is in the movie. The matrix he talks about how like anyone who. Has not woken up yet has to be considered an enemy but you're also trying to turn them all the time you're trying to wake them up the whole time. So. It's a very.. It's an interesting.. How do you approach people who are the was an npg Npc how. |
| 01:07:06.40 | Max Shank | A.A. |
| 01:07:20.57 | Max Shank | Npc. |
| 01:07:22.50 | mikebledsoe | How do you approach Npcs with compassion. You know they're while also recognizing and when I now now that I'm speaking out loud I'm thinking they're not necessarily the enemy. They're just dangerous. |
| 01:07:26.31 | Max Shank | Um, yeah. |
| 01:07:35.18 | Max Shank | Yes, that you know it's funny. You said that because as soon as I heard the word enemy it felt wrong, but dangerous feels absolutely right? You have to set those boundaries like we talked about before but then that's where compassion and curiosity come in. |
| 01:07:41.50 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:07:54.72 | Max Shank | Like do you blame a dog if it was beaten its whole life and for me I look at folks and I just don't tolerate their behavior but I also don't like judge them as evil for it like I don't tolerate Behavior I don't want. |
| 01:08:08.12 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 01:08:12.64 | Max Shank | But it's not about that individual I don't judge that individual just the same way I don't judge the dog that had bad owners and you you think about how many generations of Shitty Shitty parents on every level not just biological parents. But also. The prevailing myths of the land and time that we're in the people on the Tv all that shit just generation of generation of people doing anything they can to like feel safe and maybe even loved. Let alone self-actualized fuck that for most people loves love is a stretch for most people and I think the more you ah the more a person is kept in lizard mode in that fight or flight the faster and less. Um. |
| 01:08:52.89 | mikebledsoe | That's terrifying. Um. |
| 01:09:09.80 | Max Shank | The faster they'll respond and the less ah thoughtfulness rationality and logic and wisdom. They'll use to make that decision. They'll just react fearfully. |
| 01:09:15.98 | mikebledsoe | Well yeah, because it's a reaction. Well one it's quick and 2 It's predictable like if you if you know somebody pretty well if you know an individual pretty well I mean we've all did this. Ah you know I've done this when I was a lot more when I was younger and I was a little more cruel. |
| 01:09:22.89 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 01:09:35.71 | mikebledsoe | Like oh watch this I'm gonna say this something to this guy and he's gonna fucking flip his shit right now and I would say it and they would flip their shit I'm like and I would get kicks it make me make me laugh. You know. |
| 01:09:41.64 | Max Shank | Oh really. |
| 01:09:49.33 | Max Shank | Ah, so you fucked with idiots for sport How very cool. |
| 01:09:52.49 | mikebledsoe | Well yeah I mean this was this was something in the Navy to like in the military. It's you know there's a little bit of like brotherly cruelty going on. Yeah I don't do it anymore. But but it it. |
| 01:09:56.49 | Max Shank | Um, ah I'm not saying it's bad. Yeah I think mockery is really good I think mockery is like a lighthearted form of criticism. |
| 01:10:12.39 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, it. It comes it. It comes with a lot of predictability though and I always love um, extrapolating the individual out to culture and so you have these people who've been studying How does society React. Society doesn't thoughtfully pause and respond they society draw cold is it? Ah yeah, yeah. |
| 01:10:35.56 | Max Shank | Fish Tail Fish Tail I think is the term for it when you over when you overcorrect if you're a skidding in the car and you overcorrect you start fish tailing a little more back and forth mm. |
| 01:10:49.17 | mikebledsoe | Why they always talk about the pendulum swinging in culture. So it goes from you know one side to the other. Yeah we definitely I mean just look at what ah went from Trump to Biden like as about as opposite as you can get right? It was a hard swing. It's it's not like they went from 1 person to the center. |
| 01:11:03.97 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, right. |
| 01:11:07.91 | mikebledsoe | And went like complete left wing puppet mode and um whereas Trump was the uncontrollable bull in the China shop and so it was like people were like okay I don't we don't like this mess I don't like like this makes me. |
| 01:11:17.76 | Max Shank | Any. |
| 01:11:27.18 | mikebledsoe | Uncomfortable like what's who's going to be the least threatening person who's just going to go along with everything possible. Oh it's this guy So like the fish tale The the fish tale like it's right. It's like that. There's an overcorrection. |
| 01:11:33.20 | Max Shank | Um, well ah man. |
| 01:11:44.43 | mikebledsoe | So does it. There's just keep swinging harder and harder like are we going to get like ah I think I think it I think I think the next Ronald Reagan is next in that case. |
| 01:11:49.41 | Max Shank | Typically I think that's how it works. |
| 01:11:55.71 | Max Shank | I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. But ah. |
| 01:11:56.89 | mikebledsoe | What was he yet. Ah Jimmy Carter he was a 1 term democrat the end of the seventy s he was probably he was considered the worst president ever by a lot of people and then um and then Reagan came along in just it was a landslide and ah. |
| 01:12:08.20 | Max Shank | And. |
| 01:12:16.13 | mikebledsoe | I mean I think who who's coming in next like yeah I'm just I'm just throw it out. There's like I think we're gonna see like a a pretty right winger come into Desantis. Yeah. |
| 01:12:19.81 | Max Shank | It's a good question. Yeah. Probably that Florida guy will win at some point in the near future. That's my guess he seems like like some kind of war veteran seems like pretty squeaky but I don't I don't really follow it I just have this understanding that. Along with the idea of god being intrinsic believability. We have the same thing with the wings. Unfortunately so as soon as someone puts on the blue t-shirt and says I'm on the blue team. Even even if that guy is fucking a rapacious idiot. Everyone with a blue t-shirt ons like yeah, we like that guy. He only fucking rapes those red guys like okay and then and then the red guys will do like the same thing and they're like yeah fuck those gay guys putting on wedding rings or whatever I don't I don't know exactly what it is but but it's stupid. It's like why. |
| 01:13:08.92 | mikebledsoe | I. |
| 01:13:19.26 | mikebledsoe | Ah, a. |
| 01:13:22.59 | Max Shank | Why we?? Ah, but it's um, it's specialization just like you get the Electrician to do your electrical shit because he has better specialization. We have this idea that someone will choose better, but that's just not the case. That's why you vote with your feet you vote with your dollars. It's never going to be better. The only. Like the smartest thing The founding fathers did was the separation of power separation of church and State Boom Boom right? off the bat that was huge and then they tried to separate the the state itself even more. So So you're trying to divide up the power. But of course the ultimate division of power is called. |
| 01:13:49.73 | mikebledsoe | Or they were boop. Yeah. |
| 01:14:01.41 | Max Shank | The customer. So the customer just buys. Whatever the fuck they want to and no one can force them to but whatever the pendulum swings I don't want to talk about fucking constitution every week Mike okay I get it. |
| 01:14:12.65 | mikebledsoe | Ah I want you did that to you. You did that to yourself. |
| 01:14:19.33 | Max Shank | I did to myself and I'm mad now. |
| 01:14:22.38 | mikebledsoe | Ah, he's so red in the face right now folks so red in the face. He's he's worked up. |
| 01:14:34.68 | Max Shank | Ah, oh God It's awesome. |
| 01:14:37.46 | mikebledsoe | Oh I know we're to take the show now. |
| 01:14:41.31 | Max Shank | We went off the rail so long ago we didn't even talk much about lake to Lake Tahoe was beautiful I was just there. It was really nice. It was one of the most relaxing times I've ever had I was there. Ah there four days ago. |
| 01:14:49.20 | mikebledsoe | What are you doing late tahoe. Ah, then we whip last you back here you got me on the show and just like. |
| 01:15:00.18 | Max Shank | I'm experiencing my boundaries being crossed really hard right now. Ah it was amazing I sat in a river at the top of a waterfall overlooking ah Lake Tahoe and Cascade Lake is 1 of the most beautiful views ever. |
| 01:15:17.23 | mikebledsoe | I Know what you're talking about where where do you? where do you like to stay when you grew up there. |
| 01:15:18.17 | Max Shank | So um, you know lately. We've been going up to ah heavenly. So right on the state line. Um I've stayed in a vehicle a couple times also and there's ah on on the Nevada in Nevada. |
| 01:15:28.50 | mikebledsoe | Yep, that's where I stay most of time I I used to say where. |
| 01:15:37.35 | Max Shank | So you know how there's that imaginary line between the places called Nevada and California you're you're legally allowed to sleep in a vehicle in Nevada so rent divan rent an Rv Boom Boom Boom Nevada site there are also like really nice campsites everywhere. But if you're just looking to. Ah. |
| 01:15:38.56 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:15:56.60 | Max Shank | To be there. You just go pop over to the Nevada side hang out there and then do whatever you want in the California side but usually a heavenly state line area on the southeast side is beautiful and that cascade falls in Cascade Lake overlook in ah. Overlooking like tahoe. It's one of the most epic views ever. The fact that you can just like climb in also and get that cool river running around you the sound the view. The feeling of the cold water. It's something that is truly indescribable. |
| 01:16:22.70 | mikebledsoe | Yep. |
| 01:16:33.78 | mikebledsoe | know know I stay heavenly most of the time when I go I go to 3 times a year I used to go to incline village a lot but which on the Nevada side. But yeah made some friends it really just depends on where my friends are located has. |
| 01:16:34.78 | Max Shank | With words. Yeah, it's awesome. |
| 01:16:44.73 | Max Shank | Um, that was where I first went to. It's totally man. It's not as ah pop in incline is more quiet for sure much much smaller town. |
| 01:16:53.20 | mikebledsoe | Because I got a friend and I got a couple friends and incline I got a couple friends and heavenly. Yeah. |
| 01:17:03.42 | Max Shank | Like if you want to like it state line. There are those like 4 or 5 casinos right? right? on the line where it's totally illegal to gamble versus where it's completely deeply encouraged to gamble as much as possible I love lake tahoe. |
| 01:17:06.74 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 01:17:20.92 | mikebledsoe | It's like heaven. |
| 01:17:22.94 | Max Shank | It is. It is a beautiful place I found the greatest breakfast burrito ever of all time. Ah at place called Ver Day bear day mexico oh man Teresa Breakfast Burrito I had ah addd 3 |
| 01:17:28.14 | mikebledsoe | Oh yeah, ver day. |
| 01:17:40.93 | Max Shank | Of them in about 24 hours and they were not small, but if you find something that's good. You stick with it. So I'm like taking burritos on hikes now I ended up in a caloric surplus after all those breakfast book burritos. |
| 01:17:52.76 | mikebledsoe | There's a there's a place that does sells solely beef jerky over there I'm not remembering the name of it right now. Highly recommend it. Some of the best jerky I've ever had which is great for hiking when I go hiking I Usually just take beef jerky and honey with me just. |
| 01:17:55.75 | Max Shank | Is. Wow. |
| 01:18:06.72 | Max Shank | I Think you might get a lot of people going to this ah this tahoe Spartan I Think that's your I think that's your crew, a free entry come on. It is one of the greatest places I've ever been in the world and I've I've traveled a lot of cool places. |
| 01:18:15.27 | mikebledsoe | Free entry, beautiful race look and you can now you can now buy weed in both California and Nevada so you can join me on my I suggest thought you know if you're a newbie. 4 or five Milligrams at the starting line if you're a season veteran of of the cannabis game I'll let you make your own decision on how much you take. But I'll be taking around ten milligrams at the starting line and just enjoying the day. |
| 01:18:45.80 | Max Shank | Mike is gonna Mike is gonna be selling cannabis kits for the spartan race at the starting line that will get you guaranteed to get you from the start to the finish high as a kite. |
| 01:18:54.13 | mikebledsoe | That's right. |
| 01:18:59.52 | mikebledsoe | Ah, we're gonna set up a little station along the way is like just in case just in case your joint got wet. We're gonna you know, light you up ass it bring your cash folks. |
| 01:19:02.46 | Max Shank | That sounds fair. Oh my god but the price just gets higher every mile further along the road. Oh my gosh. But seriously if you haven't been to Lake Tahoe and you get the chance you gotta to go to Lake Tahoe is |
| 01:19:14.94 | mikebledsoe | We only accept Bitcoin actually. |
| 01:19:21.28 | Max Shank | Ah, beautiful, Beautiful place. |
| 01:19:22.10 | mikebledsoe | Absolutely thanks for selling it? Yeah yeah. |
| 01:19:25.55 | Max Shank | Yeah I love lake Tahoe is I think I've been back there more times. Ah, maybe than any other play like I love yosemite also but I just keep going back to Lake Tahoe even though it's an 8 our drive it just it's like nothing else. You can get a nice airbnb up there too for like none to 53 and then of course there's really nice stuff like 1500 ten K a night but for for two hundred bucks you can have a really nice. Base camp with view of the lake showers I'm I'm sold. It's it's maybe maybe my favorite place to actually go so power of no yeah power of no if you don't set boundaries people are going to tell you what to do all the time. |
| 01:20:09.64 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I can cur I can cur well wrap it up. |
| 01:20:21.62 | Max Shank | And you probably won't even notice because it'll just be a really enticing offer saying no internally to your own actions that continually fuck you up can be really valuable I think that goes all the way from crack to The. Cellular telephone which is just another way that we pleasure ourselves to take our minds out of the moment so we can go be somewhere else and then externally it can be difficult to say no to people. Because their reaction may be unpredictable, but ah, you don't you don't really have your own life If You're always just saying yes to everything. So if you draw those boundaries. Also you will be shocked at how much extra time you have here's ah, here's living proof that I do draw some boundaries. Well. A piece of fabric that I knitted just learned how to knit over the weekend. Pretty nice. You can see the excellent knit stitch there is where I cast on and then bind it off learning the new Lingo So ah, juggling. |
| 01:21:20.53 | mikebledsoe | Ah, okay. |
| 01:21:37.32 | Max Shank | Knitting prepping for a Spartan race If you draw boundaries you can do it all if you don't draw boundaries you will do ah exactly the most predictable thing with the least amount of effort all the time the natural way. |
| 01:21:51.95 | mikebledsoe | Well said I have nothing to add. Um go to Lake Tahoe and um I want to mention that the weekend before lake tahoe spartan race I have the strong coach summit. |
| 01:21:55.38 | Max Shank | Um, also go to Lake Tahoe oh |
| 01:22:09.70 | mikebledsoe | It is a allinclusive retreat happening here in Austin Texas I rented out a summer camp round 2 I'm doing 2 a year I'm doing a spring and fall. So again, it's ah it's gonna be 3 nights two days of all inclusive retreat and. |
| 01:22:10.91 | Max Shank | Um, oh round 2 yeah baby hell yeah. |
| 01:22:28.24 | mikebledsoe | Um'm bringing in killer speakers people who have been in the coaching game are going to help people become better coaches learn how to grow their businesses all that stuff and we're gonna have a great time doing it. So I don't have the. Sales page up for that yet but be on the lookout folks market on your calendars September sixteen through None anything you want to mention there max where can people find you max shink dot com there you go. |
| 01:22:58.78 | Max Shank | http://maxshank.com @maxshank. Thanks Mikey! Thanks guys! Love you guys. Bye. |
| 01:23:04.65 | mikebledsoe | Love you I. |
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| 00:00.00 | mikebledsoe | Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're going to be talking about freedom because you know what it is the fourth of July and we are americans and so of course not only are we totally into the conversation today but we're into it. All the time max and I are both lovers of freedom and in our own ways which is kind of like how freedom works you get to do it your way. So thanks for joining me Dave Max so you are begin this topic with you since I think you and I are both. We've spent a lot of time focusing on this topic. |
| 00:41.30 | Max Shank | Well thanks for having me once again, it is certainly my favorite topic. It's also what I would like to impart or share with people. Basically when I think about what I would like to share with folks I would like to help them become more free because I don't. |
| 00:54.71 | mikebledsoe | Hang on. Yeah. |
| 01:00.59 | Max Shank | I don't I don't I don't want to be your Mama I don't want to be responsible for you and that's the beauty of freedom is there's you are responsible for yourself and this other person is responsible for themself and there's interdependence that comes through agreements. |
| 01:03.23 | mikebledsoe | I am. |
| 01:19.29 | Max Shank | Volitional choices and I think that's amazing. That's what allowed us to get everything going. That's what allowed us to do so well basically hands writing and cooperation. Otherwise we would still just be you know lion food pretty much. |
| 01:30.17 | mikebledsoe | I. |
| 01:37.50 | Max Shank | You know I'm saying Ah so I I think I would like everyone listening to this to become more free and I think a good way to understand it would be the different types of freedom and then also what's the opposite of freedom and who are the key players and how this all worked. |
| 01:37.97 | mikebledsoe | Definitely. |
| 01:56.30 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. |
| 01:57.16 | Max Shank | So if you don't mind I'd I'd love to kick things off. |
| 02:00.43 | mikebledsoe | Kick things off when you got more to say right now is that what you're saying oh well None I want to mention if you want access to the pre-show you have to go to go over to the bloodso show dot com we'll have a link over there to. |
| 02:03.16 | Max Shank | Yeah I mean ah yeah I Just I don't want to drone on and on too much. But I think about it like free freedom is a new go for it. |
| 02:20.10 | mikebledsoe | Sign up. Ah, we're taking it's a donation based thing I hate word donation. It's value for value pay what you want if you find what be what you want look pay what you want to be in there. Whatever you however, much value you find from this show just you know. |
| 02:24.56 | Max Shank | Um, pay what you want I like that phrase. That's that's a better 1 pay what you want. |
| 02:37.52 | Max Shank | Well, they can't pay that much. This show is invaluable so pay the intersection of what you value the show and what you can afford. |
| 02:39.37 | mikebledsoe | Make it make you know pay as much as you possibly can is. |
| 02:50.61 | mikebledsoe | Ah, yeah, so that keeps us ah, trucking along. And yeah, if you go up there if if you're listening on the day that we post this that link is not going to quite be up yet. But if you're listening in a few days from now I should have that up in the next week so |
| 02:57.20 | Max Shank | It will have. |
| 03:08.77 | mikebledsoe | We're Goingnna give some exclusive content there posting some short videos of our pre-show which sometimes I think what's happening in the preshow is more valuable than what's happening here. There's a little more put together. But you miss all the ramblings. That ah happened and in fact, if you go listen to today's pre-show you get to hear max's poem that he wrote this morning. Yeah yeah, so he shared a poem to kick that off. So I just want to mention that first. Ah so I appreciate everyone who's I've had. |
| 03:30.89 | Max Shank | Oh that's right. |
| 03:44.95 | mikebledsoe | I've had ah people already reach out in the Dms asking me how the hell do I donate someone asked for venmo accounts I was like hold on I was like hold off we're gonna set something up I want to do this proper from the very beginning. So um, they do like us. |
| 03:47.58 | Max Shank | Um, oh Wow cool. |
| 03:57.65 | Max Shank | They like us. They really like us. Thanks everybody. That's so nice I feel validation that I I used to only feel from the affection of a woman I'm sure no other guys out there ah tried to get all their validation from the affection of women right? That's a mistake. |
| 04:02.88 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 04:14.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I've never done that I've never done that. Yeah yeah. |
| 04:17.39 | Max Shank | I mean I think that's only a mistake I've made I don't think anybody else talk about a type of slavery right? you you are your sense of self is ah enslaved by the whims and affection of women that's brutal. |
| 04:31.70 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, which I mean women are pretty much the whole reason we do anything at the end of the day. So yeah, and you know what if I'm a slave to that then fuck it I'm I'm down. |
| 04:37.70 | Max Shank | Yo Absolutely for sex and food. |
| 04:46.22 | Max Shank | Um, yeah, they're they, they they look and feel nice. Don't they totally worth. Ah, ah. |
| 04:50.78 | mikebledsoe | Totally worth it. Totally worth it. Well um, we we had a little conversation during the pre-show that really lights me up which is ah max brought up the word. No. Which I think is at the center of the freedom conversation and there is the internal experience of saying no and that is ah being willing to disappoint others or not meet the expectations of others when someone asks you to do something or be somewhere. |
| 05:25.62 | Max Shank | The. |
| 05:27.57 | mikebledsoe | You say? No I don't want to um and then there's um, and then there's the the lack of violence when you tell somebody? No,. There's the the external experience of freedom which is. The ability to say no and people actually honor that. Yeah. |
| 05:48.43 | Max Shank | Well, it's drawing a line in the sand right? I'm I'm pretty sure the origin of drawing a line in the sand was basically if you cross this I will fuck you up and that's that's really if we have ah differences. That's how we resolve them. We can do it like you and I are doing right now we can talk it out say no and if that knows not respected The only thing left is physical violence which force is the language of cells and the language of life and ah. Even inorganic stuff like rocks I mean force is really what what moves things along which sounds like a funny phrase. But if you draw solid boundaries. You also won't become resentful. That's a big part of it and the biggest part I think. And it's a really hard concept to understand and I bring it up all the time which is opportunity cost if you neglect to say no when it matters then you will prevent yourself from saying yes to things so the cost of not drawing boundaries. Is that you don't get to use that energy for the things that you really want to say yes to so freedom and focus are both related to the word. No and this is true with your health. It's true with your finances. It's true with friendships. It's. Really really important. Um, so that's a big part of it I would also like to today just thank everybody involved for the freedom experiment that you and I are now enjoying in America I think a lot of us. Ah, it's very easy to forget that this is a pretty new concept in terms of how nations are organized. This is a big big group of people united around the concept of freedom. Probably the biggest None ever actually and. Certainly deteriorated a little bit but before that the only type of freedom there was was probably like nomad nomadic tribes and stuff like that. But you're still going to have some sort of a hierarchy. So this idea that everyone is free to do what they like. The pursuit of happiness is a type of magic really and that code and all those people involved set in motion a series of events that allowed for the greatest possible comparative advantage and specialization. |
| 08:37.41 | Max Shank | If You are super ambitious about baking muffins and that is all that you want to do you can do that and no one can tell you to do anything otherwise and the cumulative effect of everybody being free to choose out of love what they most want to do. Led to the highest advancement Possible. You're always going to get a much higher passion and performance if the reason or the mission is derived from a place of of love right? so. |
| 09:09.79 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, wells gone. |
| 09:13.44 | Max Shank | It it wasn't just the people who thank you? It wasn't just the people who wrote the declaration of independence it was a lot of people before that also a lot of it was actually just because of the book common sense by Thomas Paine ah from what I've read and understand. A lot of the guys who signed the declaration of independence just earlier that year were basically thinking. Yeah, we should get back with England we should. We should get back with them and then common sense came out and it's it's worth a read. It's still good. It was the most widely read book ever at the time it it sold more copies than the literacy rate it was outrageous how popular this book was and so it just goes to show the power of an idea. |
| 09:57.40 | mikebledsoe | Oh. |
| 10:05.58 | Max Shank | Ah, so I I thank Thomas Paine I think the people who who risked a lot I mean there was a lot of bloodshed There was a lot of risks being taken and it's like freedom is basically never given right. It's only taken. And so I I guess I really because I don't have a frame I've ever been to war I've done none of fighting like in a ring with the rare scuffle outside in the world but man I have a really deep appreciation for. All of the people involved and it's still right now there are a lot of people involved with preserving this idea that we are free to do as we please and everyone else is free to do as they please because that's that's not how it went right? right? before this experiment. That's not how it went and I think. |
| 10:56.43 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 11:02.51 | Max Shank | A lot of what happened there was a catalyst for the industry and technology that give us different types of freedom I mean you are free from doing your laundry by hand if you have a. |
| 11:21.48 | mikebledsoe | But well tech What ah tech comes um I mean I've seen instances where the tech is what preceded the freedom. So for one we can agree on that. |
| 11:21.48 | Max Shank | A washing machine and a dryer. It's incredible. So all that tech was because of the freedom I believe. |
| 11:34.39 | Max Shank | Freedom Freedom is a technology. Also I think we can agree. |
| 11:40.81 | mikebledsoe | Yeah but ah so there's 2 things that really led to ah the the declaration of independence and following that the constitution and ah, what the 2 things that I see that led to that one was the enlightenment period. And that's where guys like John Locke and some other philosophers really laid the groundwork. Um for there was a lot of things happening in Europe and there was these ideas this idea of equal rights was emerging ah in Europe. And it was causing a lot of friction and that's None reason a lot of people came to America was like you know what? I don't want to deal with all this stuff in Europe let's get out of here. Yeah, it's three or four weeks on a boat we might die but fuck it. Let's go and so ah, very bold but the. |
| 12:32.97 | Max Shank | Bold very bold. |
| 12:37.88 | mikebledsoe | There were these ideas from the enlightenment period that that took hold and the idea of equal rights is that no one person is more has more rights than somebody else which in the end means that I have no right to tell you how to live your life as long as you're not impeding on my. |
| 12:47.32 | Max Shank | Oh. |
| 12:57.50 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 12:57.22 | mikebledsoe | Right? to do what I want so the idea of negative rights comes into play which never exists before. So if you go to Europe now the it the way the their minds work and a lot of americans it works like this too because the the european mindset is you know. I think you and I as long as we've been alive. It seems like a lot of americans think that europe has it more figured out than we do which is kind of weird. Um, yeah, and so. |
| 13:23.16 | Max Shank | The grass is greener on the other side. Um, but they don't consider the fact that you pay like a 20% value added tax on like basically everything you know so we have like fractional servitude with these taxations and it's just different place to place right. |
| 13:31.92 | mikebledsoe | Everything every step of the Way. Ah. Yeah, so the um, ah so the idea of negative rights comes into play and that is ah everybody had the the negative right is I don't have the right to do anything to cause you to do you know. |
| 13:42.27 | Max Shank | Yeah. |
| 13:57.99 | mikebledsoe | To stop doing anything you want to do as long as we're not harming each other is basically at the end of the day. That's how negative rights work and this was not a concept that existed prior to about None it was new up into that point everyone believed that the king. |
| 13:59.72 | Max Shank | And a. |
| 14:17.80 | mikebledsoe | Or the pope or somebody had been granted this authority from god and this is why Ah, this is why so many almost every country has this official religion that's affiliated with and America was the first one that came along. It was like you know what we're not going to do this whole religious thing. Because we're not going to try to tie up the idea of authority with the government and so um and so this whole thing of negative rights comes along and there was if you read the federalist papers and this is a thing that most americans I think really miss out on is they don't. Get the context of the constitution. They don't have the context for the declaration of independence both are are very important I took constitutional law 1 year and the the none month we spent studying the declaration of independence and I was like what is like they told us at the very beginning. |
| 15:11.48 | Max Shank | The. |
| 15:16.62 | mikebledsoe | We're stuck in declaration of independence first because this actually laid the groundwork for the constitution. So first a lot. Yeah, a lot of people are only looking at the constitution with 0 context. So then so you have the context of the declaration of independence so you need to have that context first. |
| 15:22.91 | Max Shank | It's like the sperm and the egg. |
| 15:35.58 | mikebledsoe | Most people don't have that and which you know today is the day that you know the the declaration of independence was was made a thing and then um, which was primarily written by Thomas Jefferson I believe and i. |
| 15:42.17 | Max Shank | Right. As I understand it. Yeah. We don't know for sure of of course. Well you said something big too which is content without context I Think that's one of the biggest traps that people can fall into like it's It's fine to. |
| 15:53.88 | mikebledsoe | No, there were no cameras. It's not an Instagram it's not on Facebook who knows. |
| 16:10.67 | Max Shank | Believe you whatever you want to believe but I'm pretty shocked Still you'd think I'd be desensitized to it by now by the by the strength of opinions held based on Absolutely no context whatsoever. It's it's just ah, it's basically just ah, a bird sound. |
| 16:23.36 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 16:29.15 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 16:30.60 | Max Shank | That is repeated like they hear this combination of sounds and then that comes back out again and it's impossible to take into account all of the variables. But ah, it really is if you want to understand something.. It's so important to have context for. What that is and when that might actually be correct. |
| 16:49.83 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, so so the context of something like the constitution is really um, a big topic right now because the supreme court whose primary job is to find out if a law is constitutional or not. That's that's about it. |
| 17:05.89 | Max Shank | Right. |
| 17:09.18 | mikebledsoe | They don't create laws. They just they make rulings on whether this law is something that could be upheld or not so. |
| 17:15.39 | Max Shank | And let's get clear real quick. What's the point of having a state and laws in the None place. It's just to protect property rights that's it. It's that part hasn't changed that is that's the core purpose. |
| 17:29.84 | mikebledsoe | That was but but the. |
| 17:34.56 | Max Shank | Same with pirates and gangs. It's like basically the guys are like hey we'll offer you protection in exchange for a little bit of your stuff. So It's really like no different than that and when you were talking About. Um. The interplay of negative rights. It. It made me think like okay, well yeah, that's that's the rule is that according to the law. You can't infringe on somebody else's property which is their self and their stuff. |
| 18:09.51 | mikebledsoe | Include your body. Yeah. |
| 18:12.94 | Max Shank | Yeah yourself and your stuff and but here's the thing like natural law is anyone can do anything. They want any time. So this whole idea of law is really just about consequences if they catch you and that sounds like a little funny but but that's really that's really all it is. If if they catch you. There are consequences if they don't There are basically no consequences So natural law is anyone or or everyone always does what they want and they can they can kill you they can punch you they can say mean things to you. They can steal your stuff. Doesn't matter the whole reason we would put faith in a higher power is if we believed that they would improve our property rights and decrease friction and decrease assault on our persons and so you have to look at the cost Benefit. Of What you're giving up versus what you're getting and I think it's really, um, certainly has split the crowd because a lot of people would agree that for what we ah give or for what we have taken. The ah return on that investment is very bad and not transparent either. |
| 19:29.55 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, very bad and and that was actually and that was that was definitely not transparent and that was one of the reasons that you know the the revolutionary war was fought was he's not doing shit for us. He just and just taxing us. |
| 19:41.72 | Max Shank | Why should we pay the King he's not doing shit for us over here. He's an ocean away fuck that guy. Yeah, right totally imagine. Yeah. |
| 19:49.55 | mikebledsoe | No protection, not providing enough for what he's taking and so that was one of the things that that motivated them. Um, but so I like to bring up the idea of negative rights because there's no such thing as rights outside of negative rights. There's. Anything. That's not a negative right? is what I would call a wrong and so self logic man I'm I'm sorry so I'm really twisting you up here. The thing is is when I talk to people about this sometimes they do. |
| 20:12.65 | Max Shank | This is tough logic to follow. Honestly, you got to write it down. |
| 20:21.61 | Max Shank | Um, the opposite of a negative right is a wrong. |
| 20:30.83 | mikebledsoe | That's right. |
| 20:31.36 | Max Shank | I'm pretty I'm pretty sure a negative right is a wrong. But anyway that mathematically. |
| 20:35.16 | mikebledsoe | No Ah negative. Well the the the reason well negative rights are rights and you have to the reason we have to use the language negative rights when we used to only have to use the word rights is because a lot of politicians have twisted up what rights mean. So people are confused that yeah that they've confused privileges with rights and you have the right to a really easy one to break down is medical Care. You have ah the right to medical care. It's like that's actually not. |
| 20:53.73 | Max Shank | Oh privileges. |
| 21:12.40 | mikebledsoe | True now because you have to take it from somebody else. So if if some authority figure comes along and says you have the right to medical care and then there's you walk into the doctor and the doctor says look I really. |
| 21:12.73 | Max Shank | I see now because you have to take it from somebody. Yeah. |
| 21:31.76 | mikebledsoe | I Can't afford to serve you right now for whatever reason the doctor doesn't want to do it and then an authority figure comes and says no doctor. This person has medical rights. You have to perform whatever it is on them that doctor that doctor has now become a slave. He's has to. |
| 21:43.78 | Max Shank | Right? Which is coercion word. |
| 21:51.90 | mikebledsoe | He has to conduct labor against his will and when I bring this up a lot of times people get really upset with me when I bring up that example because they're like but it would be wrong for the doctor to turn him down like look from an ethical standpoint when a doctor makes his his or her. Ah. Statement of what the hippocratic oath or whatever it is and they make the statement that they're going to. You know, help people who are in need and not turn anyone away. That's that's an ethical thing. |
| 22:18.24 | Max Shank | Right? That's worth going to look at by the way the hippocratic oath you can look it up is really cool. It's like a really awesome little bit of Linguistic magic. So. |
| 22:29.22 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, So so what? I'm what I'm getting at is like this whole this whole that you have rights to somebody else's labor cause at the end of the and and the medical thing is really touchy because people people do feel like everyone should have access to this like emotionally, it's like. Oh yeah, everyone should have access to this but the thing is is not everyone has access to this. |
| 22:52.19 | Max Shank | It's just the image. It's just the image of it that sways people with rhetoric right? it like hospital rooms are scary death is scary. We don't want to face it so we have a scary enough image and then people are like you know what we should ah like steal from the neighbor. |
| 23:02.60 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 23:09.48 | mikebledsoe | Right. |
| 23:10.90 | Max Shank | For the greater good right? And here's how you cut straight to the core of any issue like this and you know I'm gonna let the I'm gonna let it fly today because fuck it here's the deal every day in the media. There's some new bullshit that is trying to ensnare you. |
| 23:18.57 | mikebledsoe | Ah, perfect. |
| 23:28.64 | Max Shank | And enslave your attention and that's already a fucking bad bad thing right? here's the deal though if you want to cut straight to the heart of any issue you ask None question who decides that's it doesn't every everything else take it off the table. Who decides and then you'll figure out what the deal is going on. You just ask who decides and then eventually you go oh so that other guy decides for me. Yeah, no thanks and me saying no, that's that's freedom. But if you want to cut to the heart of. The important issues. What's really important. Ah I don't know if ah if it's important like ah there are so many things that are made to believe to be important. It's make-believe we make believe that these things are important. But the None thing that is important is who decides that's all cut through the bullshit. That's what freedom is is who decides if I can say yes if I can say no, that's freedom if I cannot It's some form of slavery fractional or otherwise simple as that. |
| 24:38.10 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, totally agree I mean I think we're what ah probably around I'm like a 33% slave I think you're probably closer like a 48% slave because you're in California. |
| 24:51.48 | Max Shank | Fucking rubbing it in look at him do that to me Jesus Christ wow good god I'll tell you what though I'll tell you I'll tell you. |
| 24:56.30 | mikebledsoe | Um, just come to Texas already. Um, um, um, not only am my older but I'm less of a slave than you. Um. |
| 25:07.95 | Max Shank | Oh you're way more of a timela than I am folks for those listening and don't know I have way more ah agency and autonomy over my schedule than Mike here does. But you know you're going to talk about California. Let's talk about it. Imagine. |
| 25:12.83 | mikebledsoe | If. |
| 25:26.80 | Max Shank | Being one of those guys who owns a business in California they shut you down and then they don't protect your shop while it gets looted what the fuck are you doing the whole purpose that you're there is like whoa so they they steal none your shit. They don't come to your aid when you need it and they stop you from doing business. It's like the antithesis of freedom. So oh my god look we could talk about this all day but let's let's get back to something practical. |
| 25:55.21 | mikebledsoe | Um, a. |
| 25:56.47 | Max Shank | Otherwise I'm just gonna sound like an angry old man I'm only 34 fucking years old for Christ's sakes |
| 26:02.35 | mikebledsoe | Ah, all right? So ah, we'll get back to some ah something' a little more philosophical that'll help calm me down. So Ah anyways I bring up the the medical freedom because there's a lot of thing or medical rights Because. You got to watch out I want I want people to be aware so when they do come across these conversations when if they do get exposed to something a politician says and they say you have the right to this think about do they have to take something from somebody else to give it to you and if that is the case then it's not a right. |
| 26:18.49 | Max Shank | And. |
| 26:37.69 | mikebledsoe | Because you're you were in the end enslaving the other person. So yeah, another one that's popular in California is and I've had this experience because my my ah my fiancee Ashley she. |
| 26:40.44 | Max Shank | Yeah, you're just getting the loot from their fucking plunder. |
| 26:56.10 | mikebledsoe | Sold She had tenants in a building and she sold the building and she inherited the building from her grandmother and so she inherits like this commercial building. It's It's like mixed use commercial and residential and these she's like you know. Well if the tenants she's having to like she's learning about all this stuff in real time and going. Okay, the tenants don't make rent because sometimes they're late. She's like it's like can I kick them out because she's also trying to sell the building and if you have tenants not paying Rent. You're trying to sell a building then it's a fucking problem right? so. |
| 27:26.81 | Max Shank | Totally yeah. |
| 27:31.92 | mikebledsoe | She goes and talks to the lawyer to find out if she can kick the tenants out and they have to be so many months behind on rent then not only do you not get ah ah, get your money for what you own because that's her property she has to pay the tenants to leave. |
| 27:49.62 | Max Shank | Oh yeah, oh yeah, right right. |
| 27:51.31 | mikebledsoe | She has to pay them. It's like the opposite of ah property rights. it's it's crazy so um there's just another I wanted to bring up a None law. We'll we'll call it a statutory law that means it's ah it's an opinion of a group people not actual law that have been put in place. |
| 28:06.72 | Max Shank | Well, there are so many things like that right? and it's all for the illusion. It's all for the illusion of the greater good. This is the only way you can understand how these things happen you have to imagine 3 neighbors and they all get to vote. |
| 28:10.64 | mikebledsoe | That Ah, there's so many. |
| 28:25.90 | Max Shank | And if None neighbors vote to Rob the none then majority rules and that's basically the problem is if enough people you know None people vote to Rob the none that's majority rule. It's also called mob rule. In ah in a different term but it's the same thing so you can yeah but that's what I'm that's exactly what I'm saying a democracy is not a good thing and people don't understand that because if you have the majority vote to Rob the minority I don't think that's like a constructive solution and it builds resentment in the. |
| 28:46.80 | mikebledsoe | It's also called Democracy It's a pure democracy. Yeah. |
| 29:03.84 | Max Shank | The group it doesn't allow I mean they're look. We could go off on that tangent for too long, but. |
| 29:06.46 | mikebledsoe | Well well here's the thing is I think it's worth mentioning I'm glad you brought up democracy because the United States is not a democracy. It's a republic and the reason that it was not a democracy is because the founding fathers fathers were smart enough. The first republic I want to say was Greece. |
| 29:13.54 | Max Shank | Republic. |
| 29:26.29 | mikebledsoe | Um, and took a lot of the concepts from Greece in order to create what we have a lot of the same stuff but the idea is you got a lot of people who want to get rid of something ah like the electoral college They think the electoral college is robbing people of their votes and this and that. |
| 29:29.22 | Max Shank | Um, lot of the same stuff lot of the same stuff big time. |
| 29:43.31 | Max Shank | And those people live on the coasts and want to make decisions for everybody else I get it like of of course like you know you don't hate the player don't hate the player don't hate the game either. That's just like the the thing we're in like we could have just as easily been born in a feudal system. |
| 29:45.35 | mikebledsoe | But yeah, yeah, if you're part of the majority. |
| 30:00.43 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, yeah. |
| 30:01.33 | Max Shank | Of some kind where we had to like pay to a lord and he could fuck our wife on wedding night and all kinds of shit like that. So like look you got to you got to compare Apple's apples everything's relative but ah things are overall like awesome, but it's largely due to technology. |
| 30:10.94 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, thank you. |
| 30:20.20 | Max Shank | And our ability to trade easily and in fact, so you could say ah trade and technology are kind of the the work of the private sector and it's kind of like um, the public sector tries to fuck everything up. Maybe with good intentions by the way I don't know like that Handlin's razor idea of don't attribute to malice what you could attribute to ah incompetence sometimes yes sometimes no probably more people are stupid than evil and no one thinks they're the evil one. They always think the ends justify the means. Um, that's why that's why I'm not surprised when stuff like this happens because if you get a very powerful ambitious person. They can spin a story in their own mind and if they believe that they can improve. The life of 90% by murdering 10 probably they would do that and I and I could understand that it doesn't make it right? but I can totally understand and that's why it's never a good long-term choice to consolidate power into one area. Because you'll get more speed faster decision making so if you have ah an authoritarian or a dictatorship or some sort of ah collectivism where it's like None or None people in charge. You have a single point of failure which is a problem. So if you have an insane guy can like kill. Ah, 0 people with a famine just by accident right? Just by being a fucking retard. Ah like that's killed way more people than religion is just people who think they're smart getting in charge and thinking that they can make all the decisions that. We should all be individually making on our own that's the that's the value that's one of the major values of freedom is that it's like ah a shock absorber that can work in real time you know, supply and demand cost and benefit are made on an individual basis which is relative to. The individual values and it can adjust things much more quickly. You know if the if the Ceo of Target came out tomorrow and said I don't want any like jews blacks or anyone shopping at Target everyone be like holy god damn we don't like that and we would all go to Walmart. Out of our own free choice probably and and that's why it comes back to who decides. So if it's None guy at the top you can get things done a lot faster. You can boom declare war one None word kill that fucker and there's no. |
| 32:48.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah. |
| 33:05.52 | Max Shank | There's no ah diversification of that decision making so you can get things done way faster hey ah clone those people over there and they're like yes, ah yes, dictator man I will I will clone those people over there hey kill those people and and you will so you can get things done way faster. |
| 33:06.54 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, um. |
| 33:24.48 | Max Shank | Which can be an advantage in the short term. But ah, you know now you're at the mercy of 1 guy and that's pretty scary stuff. So diversification is a big part of freedom. |
| 33:30.40 | mikebledsoe | Yeah I don't get back to yeah I agree and I mean that's one of the I say the byproducts of freedom that that actually is in service of the whole over time. Um, so I me go back to. |
| 33:46.91 | Max Shank | It's also profitable transactions. So if every transaction is done Volitiony then there's always ah, an energetic surplus like I trade you voluntary choice. Yeah volition means voluntary choice. But. |
| 33:52.83 | mikebledsoe | He say he's volition. He means voluntary so be using such big words. Yeah, ah so ah. |
| 34:04.35 | Max Shank | Dude, let me use my word a day calendar. Okay I bought the thing. |
| 34:07.33 | mikebledsoe | So They ah it it being a Republic I mentioned the electoral college but congress the senate the Supreme court. All these things are set up to have checks and balances and everything is based off of the.. Basically the declaration of Independence in the constitution are these these base ah basis of all the laws that are written and most of them are not constitutional that are floating around these days but the whole point was to ah they realized that the average person. Needed to feel like they were involved in some way but they they do not. They shouldn't have like ah I guess an equal voice in how things should ah like be controlled by others because not everyone can see. View and there's there's That's why there's representatives and not everything's just yeah, it's a specialization. |
| 35:00.19 | Max Shank | Um, it's specialization right? like an Electrician is good with electrical electrical work. A politician is supposed to be good with political work. Of course there are a lot of problems with that. But that's the idea. |
| 35:10.90 | mikebledsoe | Yeah, and so that's why in my opinion up until this point a republic is the greatest form of government that's going to give somebody the greatest amount of freedom now. Ah you know. Is there something better probably with the with the way technology is moving with the decentralization of governance so things like the decentralized autonomous organizations daws. There are going to be things that we're going to be able to do with decentralized governance. And with Ai that is going to actually be able to make decisions that and ai is going to be able to croc informa |