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Mansal Denton is the co-founder of Nootropedia, which is an unbiased and accessible platform to learn about nootropics and smart drugs. When he isn’t improving cognitive function in others, he enjoys a host of active hobbies. He likes jiu-jitsu when his body allows, meditation, and a healthy dose of travel. He enjoys learning lessons whether they come from life experience or books and podcasts.
Mark Divine is from Upstate New York with a degree in economics from Colgate University and an MBA in finance from New York University Stern School of Business. Mark’s first career was with Coopers & Lybrand (now PriceWaterhouse Coopers) as a Certified Public Accountant. Clients included esteemed financial firms such as Solomon Brothers and Paine Weber. Four years after joining Coopers, Mark left behind the corporate world to pursue his vision to become an elite Navy SEAL officer. At twenty-six he graduated as Honor Man (#1-ranked trainee) of his SEAL BUD/S class number 170. Mark served for nine years total on active duty and eleven as a Reserve SEAL, retiring as Commander in 2011.
Mark embarked on his third career as an entrepreneur in 1996 by co-founding the successful Coronado Brewing Company (CBC) and founding the web e-commerce site www.NavySEALs.com. He later sold his interest in CBC but continues to run NavySEALs.com as the leading website for SEAL gear and information. In 2006 he launched US Tactical, a government contracting business, where he gained contracts with Naval Special Warfare Group ONE for training support and with the Navy Recruiting Command for a nationwide mentoring program for SEAL trainees. This latter program was credited with increasing the quality of Navy SEAL candidates and reducing the attrition rate at BUD/S by up to five percent and was the inspiration for SEALFIT.
Mark was an adjunct professor of leadership at the University of San Diego, where he left a PHD program due to the Iraq War Reserve call-up. In Baghdad with the SEALs again in 2004, he conducted a special study for the Department of Defense on the role of the US Marine Corps in the special operations community. Upon return home he decided to focus fully on his business and family.
Mark is an accomplished martial artist with black belts in Seido and Goju Ryu Karate, a military hand-to-hand combat certification in SCARS, and senior ranking in Saito Ninjitsu. He is a trained Ashtanga Yoga teacher and created the innovative Unbeatable KOKORO Yoga program taught to his students.
After working with thousands of special ops candidates and professionals developing mental toughness, Mark self-published his first book, Unbeatable Mind, in 2011 and launched the at-home study program www.unbeatablemind.com. He is also the author of The Way of the SEAL, published by Reader’s Digest, and 8 Weeks to SEALFIT, published by St. Martin’s Press.
Mark is a highly sought-after speaker for corporations, where his Unbeatable Mind program is helping to forge mental toughness among business leaders. He lives in Encinitas, California, several blocks from the SEALFIT Training Center, the 20,000-square-foot facility where he enjoys training with his family and team.
AI Revolution: Waitbutwhy
MB- Livestreaming of social media, coupled with virtual reality is highly enticing, because what people really desire is more connection.
MB- I think one of the big issues with AI is when we actually get into a conversation about actual consciousness. When asked to define consciousness, people usually look at the ceiling.
AF- “Well, I think one of the fundamental questions of our time is going to be not only what is consciousness, but what is it that makes us human? Because in a world where the line is so blurred between what makes us human, and what makes us entirely artificial, that line is going to continually blur. It’s going to become very difficult to differentiate between the two.”
MB- “What do you think consciousness is? If you had to explain it to somebody.
AF- “I think consciousness is an emergent property of both our biological processes and our spirit.”
MB- What’s the spirit thing?
AF- It’s the 8oz that leave us when we die, it’s the intangible part of us that we can’t see or fully describe. I think it’s what animates us and makes us entirely different.
MB- Would an animal have a spirit?
AF- Yeah, I think so
MB- I’ve tried to simplify it down, I think it’s an emergent property of feelings and thoughts
AF- The definition of AI is using human thought patterns matched in computers
MB- If we’re isolating the mind, we don’t see the whole picture. How much does feelings and emotions impact us, is AI emotionless and feelingless meaning it could never be human?
AF- I think consciousness goes beyond the 5 senses though. There are so many sounds and light spectrums we can’t see even see, we don’t even have the tools to understand it yet. AI will help us expand our mind.
MB- Merging makes a lot of sense, to me, if i’m merging my mental capacity with AI technology, then I’m basically just ramping up my horsepower.
AF- One of the beliefs that I have that most people disagree with, but I think the integration of technology into humans is part of evolution. In a world where we are no longer adapting, humans greatest adaptation is the mind. We aren’t trying to get pigs to fly.
MB- People are already using technology to enhance the mind, nootropics. I read the yoga-sutra a few months ago, it’s an old yogi book, this one is over 3,000 years old. It talks about the 6 senses. It counts the 5 we count in our society, but it also counts the mind as a sense. I like to do little thought experiments, I walk around the world thinking of consciousness as thoughts and feelings, for however long it serves me until I need to evolve that idea. The other experiment is to treat it as a sense. We do things to enhance taste, hearing with implants, microphones, speakers, we can enhance all of our senses, if we think of the mind as a sense it becomes objectively easier to enhance.
Moore’s law says every 18 months, the price drops in half, and the processing power doubles.
MB- It’s actually outdated now, it’s going faster.
AF- I think we’ll eventually have chips in our brain, it will start as a neural-lace, and go from there. Not only when nanobots get smaller than 3nm, and are fat soluble they can go through the blood-brain barrier, they’ll self-replicate and we’ll have a nano-bot on every one of our neurons. Imagine what that will do to the human experience, your mind is no longer limited.
AF- The words I’m saying are not creating the same brain-waves in my mind as they do in yours.
MB- Right because they’re running through my experience.
AF- Right, it’s going through your filters of perception. “I think when we get to the point where we’re no longer communicating verbally, but instead through the instantaneous transmission of thought patterns, that’s when things really start to change.”
MB- When we don’t need to talk to each other, language goes away, and we talk through thoughts.
AF- Everything tangible will eventually become so cheap, that we will only trade intangible things. Software, information, etc.
MB- When you think about what it takes to learn something, it’s one thing to intellectualize it, and to read the instruction manual. It’s another thing to have the experience of doing it. True learning happens through doing it. So you’re not just sharing thoughts, you’re sharing memories, and when you share a memory I think you should be able to share the experience. Once your mind is integrated with technology, you’ll have perfect recall. Miscommunication goes away, because everything is being recorded essentially. “In order to effectively exchange learning, or to download learning, we have to be able to also share the feelings that were associated with it.”
AF- Currently, us being individuals is evolutionarily advantageous in terms of the human species, but eventually when we get to a certain point we will become a collective. That’s part of what the singularity is. Basically the idea when artificial intelligence can recreate itself and become super-intelligent. It will essentially be able to start predicting the future. When you have enough information and processing power, you can calculate every possible scenario, down to the molecule spinning. So at a certain point AI will become so perfect there will be no way to overcome it.
MB- The observer effect, when we see something we have an effect on it. So when AI observes something, does it impact it?
AF- “We’re moving to a more and more abstract world, where the things in the physical world are becoming more and more malleable.”
AF- “Ray says that the singularity is already here, it’s just not widely distributed.” We already have cures for cancer, and nanobots but they’re just so expensive they aren’t widely available yet. “Humans have this way of looking at things linearly, we look into the past and we see how things were for a certain amount of time, and then project it into the future. That’s a logical fallacy of the way humans innately think.”
MB- People overestimate what they can accomplish in a year, and underestimate grossly what they can accomplish in 10, 5, or 3 years.
AF- We’re at the base of that hockey curve. We’re not even going to know what hit us. In the articles I mentioned earlier, there are 3 levels of AI.
Gene Therapies, custom pharmaceuticals, now that we are sequencing the human genome and understanding it, we can start to change it. It’s scary though is because it’s how we start a zombie apocalypse.
AF- What’s your weapon of choice?
MB- I’d go with a sword.
AF- We’re going to be creating the next generation of humans.
There are two things most futurists disagree on about the future. Is it going to be Utopian, or Dystopian, and what is the timeline that the revolutions are going to occur on. Those are the two biggest points of debate.
MB- Do you think we’ve been here before?
AF- Well, there’s really no evidence…
MB- All you have to do is go to Detroit and see it’s barely been a decade but nature has almost completely taken over parts of it. And there is lots of evidence, giant stone structures, in the shape of pyramids.
AF- If nano-tech or biotech goes, bad we’re fucked. But the upside is tremendous. Once nanobots get small enough, they can literally rearrange electrons around atoms. Which is alchemy. When you can do that, you could reformat the earth in no-time flat. That’s how future humans terraform worlds. And with AI, imagine a world with perfect information, and all data goes into a I thisupercomputer to be able to analyze and separate out perfectly.
The third one we skipped over is Artificial super intelligence. When artificial general intelligence starts to improve upon itself, it will have a compounding effect, it will accelerate at such a fast pace we won’t even see it coming.
Isaac Asimov is a good author to start reading.
MB- What is enlightenment? Being able to go through every moment treating everybody as one with full compassion, empathy, and acceptance. Very few people on this planet have ever been able to achieve that. This seems to me like an externalization of enlightenment. It makes it easier for the masses to attain.
MB- “I like lines for the purpose of crossing them. I just like to plow right through them, and I like to watch other people cringe, and go ‘Oh my god!’, and I’m like ‘see ya later!’ do the wave.”
AF- A scary aspect is the big brother aspect, everybody always knows everything. I’m scared of the military getting their hands in it.
MB- I think technology is moving too fast for government to capture what they need to capture to have an influence. The problem is that everybody agrees that government has the right to use force and kill to get their objective, whereas it’s not okay for anybody else. But economically the way the government controls everything through currency is going to stop with a series of cryptocurrencies. The dollar will destabilize, so once there is a huge influx into cryptocurrencies that are decentralized, the government won’t be able to borrow, they have to minimize their role. The entrepreneur is going to swoop in and start solving problems that we thought the government would. All the real solutions to humanity’s problems are being led by Elon Musk, not the president. Just in the last 5 years between the leading businessmen, and our government the gap is getting big really fucking fast. All we need is 5-10 years, we switch the currency, government is forced to shrink, entrepreneurs get opportunity. The things about entrepreneurs is that where everybody else sees a problem, they see an opportunity. And the beauty of business is it has to operate efficiently. It’s almost guaranteed to me that entrepreneurship is going to take the place of government.
MB- There are a lot of things that only exist, because we agree they exist.
AF- Exactly, the value of a dollar.
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Belly of the beast, but also hike in the beauty of the desert.
MB- I’m originally from the desert, I grew up in Arizona.
MB- Spiritual teachers and setting their prices. David Hawkins’ letting go/ Book power, force, Vibration levels
AJ- “You brought up a great point about if we shut the receiving side down, then our giving side is limited.”
MB- “I see money as energy, and energy flows.” “I think about energy coming through a pipe and there’s a spigot, and if you close down the spigot of receiving, only as much as you can receive can be given, and so if you’re closing yourself off to receiving, your basically just limiting how much you can give. I’m not even talking about just giving money away, I’m talking about growing a business where you can have a bigger impact.” “For me if you want to have more influence in the world, if you’re like ‘I think if people adopted my ideas, the world would be a better place,’ if you truly believe that then the best thing you can do is be open to receiving more, because as much as you can receive is how much you can influence.”
AJ- Warren Buffett giving his wealth, and all these billionaires, they wouldn’t have had that opportunity. A lot of great change has come from business builders that become philanthropists. The interesting concept about money as energy is money has to move. If you’re stockpiling money, it’s going to be taken away from you.
MB- “If you’re not giving everything you’re receiving, then that’s also going to screw up how much you receive in the future.”
AJ- “I think a lot of people when they think give, they think straight away they think to charity.”
Mike- “Right, I’m talking about giving as in building something that creates value in the world.”
AJ- It is what it is based on the value we put on it.
Bitcoin has a limited amount of coins.
United States is going to be taken by surprise.
Third world countries adopting it.
AJ- Atlas Shrugged - “If you are unable to operate what you feel is your full potential because of restrictions and rules, and there is somewhere else you can go and just be completely free to push, and expand, you’re not going to stay in the place that restricts you. In today’s day and age we don’t need to be anywhere, we can still connect.”
MB- “A businessman’s or businesswoman's purpose in this world is not to fund the government, it’s to carry out, and it’s not to make money either, it’s to provide the value that they want to bring to the world, and their self-expression.”
MB- All taxes added were supposed to be ‘temporary’, like social security from the great depression.
MB- “The way our culture is setup is, people are not setup to learn.” “We’re not taught to think and learn in school, we’re taught to consume and regurgitate.”
MB- Because of how many people are joining the bitcoin network, it’s gaining a lot of stability and third world countries are going to use that to their advantage
MB- If you want to make money forever, learn how to create value for other people. My coach, Brian Franklyn talks about this in his book is your education in the things that create value for others. https://www.amazon.com/Last-Safe-Investment-Spending-Increase/dp/1591846110
The business owner does not decide the value of the product, the market does
AJ-There aren’t no jobs “There are no jobs that will pay me what I believe I should be paid.” But if nobody is paying you that, then you’re not worth that.
AJ- Gender Pay gap because of negotiating.
MB- There’s a lot of correlative data, but not causative.
AJ- “People, for safety of their mind, they have to believe that the way they live is the best way because it’s hard to omit the flaws in your own reality.” “When you can stop lying to yourself, true freedom begins to happen.”
MB- “I would say 99.99% of the people walking around are operating from the perspective of I am the center of the universe. Everything has to do with them. If you can step outside of yourself and see yourself as a piece of the larger ecosystem, and you can be honest, like you were saying. I think we would be getting along a lot better.”
AJ- “If you realize you are a fragment of a whole, and then you say, ‘well, what part of that?’ So if you looked at the body, you’ve got the head, the eyes, the mouth, the lips, if you’re just a fragment of that, what is that role, and I think that what’s interesting is we have different responsibilities that have been given to us individually, and the reality is that we are constantly being tested to see if we were give the right abilities, talents, gifts, whatever it is... We’re not the only one with those and so if you can get through the test, whatever it is, if you can just move through that obstacle the next door opens, and you get met with the next obstacle, and then the next door opens. And so, as you go forward you start to realize, I have the ability to achieve whatever I want to achieve, if I can continuously get out of my own way, but if I choose not to, then that’s given to someone else.
People get sidelined, maybe they were supposed to. Maybe you’re not supposed to go back.
MB- “If you’re focused on what you’re going to get, that’s a problem in the first place.”
AJ- “If it’s a straight line, you’re supposed to be on a certain path, or there’s a path, and there’s alternative paths you can take, but you have one kind of flow path, where if you’re on that everything is going to be superspeed, that’s how it feels. Then you get off, these little bumps in the road try to set you back into flow, and if you get too far off it’s not a little course correct, it’s not a 1% shift, you gotta get slapped back down because you’re so far away that it needs to do a complete reset.”
AJ- “It’s funny because in those moments that’s when we are scared, that's when we freak out the most, that’s where we’re terrified. But if we look back on our life, and we look at those, because everyone has had these moments, everyone’s had these moments where it seems like everything is going to crash and burn. What’s on the backside of that is always better, it’s always better. So if you can shift that to all of a sudden, you bring on challenges, it’s like how fast can I meet these obstacles, so you’re inviting that into your life …”
MB- “Embracing the uncertainty.”
AJ- “All of a sudden uncertainty becomes comfortable and you move so much faster because it’s not now this big thing you have to deal with, it’s “oh, okay, let’s deal with this. Boom boom boom.”
AJ- How many people grieve a relationship still after 2 years? Why don’t they embrace the new relationships, or job… or whatever it is because they were ‘wronged by…’ The doors are there, people get stuck in those loops. Shorten the turnarounds, and the doors just open.
MB- When something new shows up at your door, it won’t look like anything that’s ever happened before. Because if it looks and feels like something before, it’s not new. It has to feel uncertainty, it has to be a surprise when you make the right choices, the right things show up and it has to be a surprise, if it’s not a surprise you didn’t learn the lesson.
AJ- Belly of the beast, hero’s journey. You’ll find yourself back in the loop because you haven’t learned the lesson. The gift to the world is the lesson I learned. If you don’t get it, the lessons will get louder and louder until they’re screaming at you.
MB- That’s when you end up bankrupt, or tearing a pec. An exercise I do, is how can I be sensitive to the smallest, quietest thought.
MB- “Because you weren’t listening, you have no idea why you’re in a bad mood. All you know is you’re a sour person, and people think you’re an asshole. And it all comes down to the fact that you weren’t being sensitive to the message and feelings that your body was giving you, you shut it down, and then over time it’s going to build up and explode.” This is why my practice, or mantra in this era of my life is how sensitive can I be? Because I don’t want to be hit by the Mack Truck, I want to feel the feather and only make a 1% shift instead of a 180% shift.
We’ve thrown the baby out with the bath water. Dogmatic religion has some usefulness, didn’t pray or do anything after I broke away, I was meditating for a few years before I was comfortable with doing a prayer at the end of the meditation. I had to break away from the religious dogma
AJ- We meditate all the time. Driving, in the shower, moments of inspiration.
MB- People who play devil’s advocate learn really quickly.
AJ- “I don’t need to know why I am who I am, I just need to accept that this is who I am.” People who have this why me mentality don’t understand that it doesn’t matter, it’s irrelevant. You have to ask how does this benefit the world. “What is my role? As this fragment of a whole, how do I contribute and leave this place better than when I came in?”
MB- “The good habits will naturally occur when you remove the bad habits.”
1205 squat. Bench 910. Deadlift 815.
What drove you to do that?
AJ- “Honestly, when I began training it was with Brett Marcell, and he wanted to squat 1200. He had 1141 as the world record.” “When I did the 1205, I remember I kind of blacked out came up, was unsure if I got the lift or not, got whites, and immediately I was like, that’s it. In that moment, it was like that’s it. I think that a lot of times you set goals because that’s what we’re told to do, and there’s really no meaning behind it, and then slowly we start to put attachments towards what it will mean when we get there.” I had set that goal, and never really looked beyond it, so once I got there that was it.
AJ- “The way you live is based on the goals you set. I love what Peter Diamandis talks about: moonshots, creating the biggest goal you can play, because it forces expansion. It’s easier to 10x your business than it is to double your business”. “Because doubling your business is really operating at the same level but tightening some things down, maybe spending a little more on advertising, putting a system in place. 10X’ing causes you to shift your entire thought process.” My best squat at the time was 450 when I set the goal to be the world record holder. That’s why surrounding yourself with the right people is so important because you realize, it’s not that difficult, I can do it.
MB- What motivated you to get into powerlifting?
AJ- Grew up watching strongmen, in HS I wasn’t able to play sports, international student’s can only play one year. Powerlifting was one of the only things I could do. I always wanted to lift more weights than anybody in the gym.
I was a lot healthier in my last few years of lifting thanks to CrossFit. John Welbourne who introduced nutrition stuff to me, Kelly Starrett who helped me with mobility.
There’s no cycle for athletes, or short term jobs. That’s it. When you’re done, the lights are off.
MB-”Because the training is driven so much by competition, when the competition is removed the idea of working out or exercising or moving, the perspective has to shift. What’s your relationship to exercise and nutrion post powerlifting.”
AJ- It’s been a long journey for me, lots of hormonal issues from years of abuse. But when you have a deadline, you’re training for something. Even if you don’t like it, you show up every day because you’re going somewhere. Game Day, competition. You have to fall in love with the daily grind. You have to fall in love with doing the work to do the work. There is no end. Your relationship with it changes because you’re not goal oriented. Now training and food are supposed to fuel and provide for me. I’m not punishing my body, I’m trying to love my body, not punish it so that it responds in a certain way. “It’s in the suck that I come to life.” “At a certain point, you can’t keep hurting yourself.” I don’t know if people really grasp that. When you choose to eat bad foods, you’re hurting yourself. You’re hurting your stomach, your gut health, energy levels, clarity of mind, there is so much damage that goes into it, but most people don’t have that awareness.
MB- I would argue that what I thought was healthy 5 years ago, when i was eating for performance over health, and would look at my body, pretty low body fat, pretty muscular, but looking back now I was completely unhealthy. I’ve had similar perspective shifts. When I lift, it isn’t about lifting the weight, it’s about feeling good, and being sustainable.
AJ- When I used to workout at westside, when I first started for 3-4 months, my squat went backwards because my spine was being really compressed, so bad it was pinching a nerve and making my leg go numb, and I had to lay down and pop it somehow to get blood flow back. But now, when I workout if I go to the gym, and my knee hurts, I don’t do that exercise, I do something else. I’m not willing to risk the inflammation and damage because I don’t want to be hobbling around later. Strongest man in the world, but I couldn’t lift my hands over my head.
AJ- When you’re working out so hard and gasping for air, yeah you’re getting a good workout, but those aren’t the right metrics. The right metrics are did I have energy for the rest of the day? Then you had a good breakfast. If you ate something and had to take a nap an hour later, probably not the best thing for your body.
Everyone wants easy, they don’t want the concepts and theories, they want reps and sets. Free thinking is the most powerful thing you can have. You have to have free thinking. When keto came out and was popular, well that shit is paleo. Who is it better for. Think it was socrates on nutrition “The healthier you are, the more hours in the day you get.”
What’s the best path for you, to be the best version of yourself? Keep chiseling away, and keep getting better and better.