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The Bledsoe Show

The show formerly known as "Bledsopia" On this podcast, you’ll learn from thought leaders who are dedicating their lives to being a positive force for your physical, psycho-emotional and spiritual health. Your host, Mike Bledsoe, seeker of truth & perpetual student, spotlights premier thought leaders in the fields of emotional & intellectual expansion, behavior change, sexuality & alternative medicine that empower you with the tools and inspiration to transform your mind, body, & spirit. Every week, this is your opportunity to get downloads from exceptional people that will guide you to the connections between your own source, to live your best life & enjoy the process.
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Oct 3, 2022

Mike & Max break down the 80/20 rule on how to optimize your business and life.

Sep 29, 2022

Kyle Kingsbury, Mark England, and Adam Chin. They all have something in common.

A couple weeks ago I invited the best narrative geeks in the game over to the studio to have a little fun with conspiracy theories.

And as you probably already know, conspiracy theories are just theoretical narratives that are labeled as such because it counters the narrative held by the majority.

Buying into any single narrative can be dangerous. Ken Wilber (one of the greatest philosophers of our time) once said “extremists believe that a part is the whole”. That is they only know a part of the truth but treat it as the whole truth. Extremists are dangerous. They start conflict and can never bring peace.

So, whether you’re down with the mainstream or you’re a hardcore conspiracy theorist you’re probably wrong, and partly right. Either way, on today’s show we discuss how to wade through the BS and get down to the facts that will actually help you live your best life no matter what the rest of the world is doing.

Sep 22, 2022

Matt Coast is a former Navy Seal turned women's dating coach. We discuss what's happening in society in 2022 and how we as men can show up to be our best for the women in our lives and for the planet.

Sep 19, 2022

00:10.29

Dr_ Placebo

Welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're going to talk about Mike's funny glasses and we're gonna continue to cut through the Bs where we see it and then we're gonna add some BS. of our own Mike what's up and what's up with the glasses.

00:33.17

mikebledsoe

Absolutely only the most helpful BS in the world. So ah, you know I had to get the we've already used that title. Ah.

00:38.00

Dr_ Placebo

Oh can we call this episode constructive lives fuck. Okay I Guess that's really all there is is that all language Anyway, whatever right.

00:48.14

mikebledsoe

ah ah I mean the enlightened folk out there I think I would tell you that. So yeah, the glasses are to solve ah a problem that was created by trying to solve a problem that we're trying to solve a problem. So. Ah, basically well these are blue light blocking glasses. So these are not my I still have twenty I'm forty years old 2020 vision to this day I ah I have to acknowledge my parents for their good genetics.

01:19.73

Dr_ Placebo

Quit bragging.

01:26.50

mikebledsoe

And ah and and my own personal work of doing a lot of things outdoors. No but ah, it's funny because I did start getting some floaters in my eyes and but not I mean I don't even notice them unless I'm like staring at the blue sky you know type of thing. But I.

01:37.10

Dr_ Placebo

E.

01:46.21

mikebledsoe

Was somebody asked me about their floaters and I go I go you know I'm not really sure what it is but I'm sure that if your body is incredibly healthy and doesn't carry a heavy toxic load and a lot of inflammation your eyes are probably eye health overall is going to do well. But so um. Was like you know what? and it's funny after that conversation I started noticing I was like oh when I'm looking at screens all day. My eyes I can tell like there's I go from being in my living room and then I sit down I have this I have a really big screen at my desk and I got the screen.

02:22.70

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

02:23.68

mikebledsoe

To improve my posture. So if you if you've got a tiny screen you're more likely to be hunched over trying to look at it and your head's gonna jut forward. But if you have a big screen. It's positioned right? You actually have to like sit back a little bit your chin tucks and you go into a much better posture. So I got this big screen and then I.

02:33.46

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

02:42.81

mikebledsoe

Realize that my eyes are just getting blasted by a ton of blue light when I'm looking. There's artificial light I'm just staring right at it for hours and hour hours and hour hours and hours a day and I was like oh I need to get some blue light blocking glasses. So these are like my daytime I have some that.

02:47.24

Dr_ Placebo

And.

03:01.32

mikebledsoe

When the sun goes down I just swap it out with something that's more heavy duty. Ah and when I wear these glasses my eyes like my nervous system. Overall it's not just my eyes. My nervous system tends to be calmer throughout the day so looking into the blue light all day without anything to block it. Yeah. It was frying me. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see if.

03:21.60

Dr_ Placebo

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03:30.11

mikebledsoe

You got to be on my email list be on my email list. You might get links to the you know these products these magical products.

03:31.34

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, ah, um, man and ah, all right all right I like it. You know I noticed um because I play tennis and. I Don't know if you know but you really need to be able to see quite well to play tennis at a distance in a variety of light scenarios and I noticed a couple times when I was on the computer a bunch before it Just absolutely. Put my ability to see the tennis ball in the basement. It was really rough. So I try to think of it like you know, um, like rpgs like role-playing video games and some you know you're you're going around. Maybe you're fighting monsters or some shit. But occasionally you find yourself.

04:10.54

mikebledsoe

Here.

04:28.90

Dr_ Placebo

A little console and I kind of think of ah life that way a little bit. It's a role-playing game and I try to be really mindful of how much time I'm spending at the console.. There should be a really compelling Reason. To use the screens basically and we we really we really don't know what the total cost is um, certainly there's the old ah example of the accountant becomes nearsighted and the farmer becomes farsighted. Right? And so I think the cycling between is the key.

05:06.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, dude I I agree this is a I love we're talking about this because Ashley and I oh my my mistake, my fiance and I forget her name. Ah yeah.

05:21.39

Dr_ Placebo

Jennifer should come up with a fake name.

05:23.75

mikebledsoe

Do that now I'm gonna be in trouble. Ah, she'll be the last person listen to this show. She she hears me rant enough. Ah the we we were having date night last night and one these little fancy blind bars. We had bread and accoutrements.

05:34.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

05:41.63

mikebledsoe

And i't know what that word means but I know when I order it I Love the food that's put in front of me So the ah the oh yeah, the charouty as well.

05:53.29

Dr_ Placebo

Charcotery is what I like I can say feed me meat and cheese in like 10 languages.

06:00.81

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean that's that's that's the necessary skills to have any travel. So. It's basically food and and bathrooms. But ah ah we were talking about Myopia and so I had I. Talked about ah I saw a study there day and said there's a huge rides in Myopia and that is nearsightedness that means that people can see just fine something that's in the room with them but something that they try to see far away appears to be blurry and um. You know it's attributed to the fact that everyone's looking at things really close but hardly ever looking at anything very far away and ah that that had me thinking about a concept and I don't know where I picked this up but I I didn't invent it myself.

06:45.19

Dr_ Placebo

Edit.

06:56.68

mikebledsoe

Which is ah basically the idea is that the more time you spend looking close if you're in a room and all that your your brain actually has a hard time conceptualizing very far out into the future your ability to project. Further out your ability to consider more is hindered and so your eyes are basically just like your your brain is reaching out in front to try to capture some sense of the world and ah if you spend a lot of time.

07:29.63

Dr_ Placebo

A.

07:34.42

mikebledsoe

And a small space. You're probably gonna think small thoughts. You're gonna have there's gonna small thinking your ability to think into the future is gonna be minimized and you know what? what? Mate. What I thought about next is you know the last two and a half years people spent. There's a 2 wo-year period where a lot of people probably the most people most people who were already indoors way too much now decide to lock themselves inside a house and stare at screens instead of.

07:52.34

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

08:08.21

mikebledsoe

Instead of looking at somebody who's ten feet away they're always eighteen inches away and if you're on your phone dude it's it's like it's one foot away from your face. So now you have an entire population of people who are near so ah near sighted they're they're myopic their thinking becomes myopic. So.

08:09.71

Dr_ Placebo

M.

08:27.38

mikebledsoe

As above so below. So whatever's happening in your physical world is going to dictate how your internal world is if you're living in a messy chaotic space your mind is likely gonna be a little messy and chaotic. So this I remember back to when I was living in California and remember. You remember my house and had that big window that was just dude I spent most of my time like I would wake up and walk in the backyard and look over the cliff into the expanse of the ocean and all that and at any time I could leave my computer and put my eyes out there. And it was all it was really nice to be able to get that that contrast and I and it felt good now. You had the practice of looking across the way and trying to spot little boats or a house down the way and to help with my eyesight and.

09:14.56

Dr_ Placebo

A.

09:23.80

mikebledsoe

And it got me thinking about just my ability to operate in business if I'm in front of a computer screen all the time you know how does that hinder my ability to plan for the future to see greater opportunities or am I going to be able to just see what's in front of me right now.

09:42.42

Dr_ Placebo

Man I love what you said there starting about ah 2 two and a half minutes ago in case, anyone wants to timestamp this for later ah, because as soon as you said myopia I was thinking ah visual and psychological right? You get totally locked in.

09:54.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

10:00.19

Dr_ Placebo

Your your world literally shrinks your peripheral vision goes away and from just a more mechanical standpoint your muscles in your eyes and just outside your eyes are going to learn to stay frozen. In that certain area. You know most people are looking between twelve inches and twenty four inches away from their face all the time and if you want to do that. That's fine, but just understand there are going to be tremendous costs to this behavior right. The muscles on the inside of your eyes and outside of your eyes are going to start to freeze into that position because remember your body is always and exactly adapting to whatever you do so just the same way if you sit in a chair all the time your body is going to go. Okay, we sit in a chair a lot How do we make sitting in a chair easier. So if you're looking at a screen that's right in front of you or even papers that are right in front of you which I would argue is a little healthier for you to not have light emitting straight at you but instead have it be bouncing off a page but. Ah, you know before there were screens people were still damaging their ability to see further away by honing in on something really close like a scholar or an accountant or something like that.

11:32.78

Dr_ Placebo

Going to get really good at looking at little spreadsheets but they're not going to be very good at seeing far away and it kind of reminds me once again of specialization. It's so useful to have you know 1 person counting the beans. They're locked away in an office all day. And then you have the visionary who never has to look at a spreadsheet in his life. He just looks up from the highest tower to survey the whole situation and lets someone else take care of the details and probably the best. Progress I've made in my life was when I had a clear um separation between those activities. So someone who was really specialized in those minor details. Would take care of that while I was able to see more like the big picture and connecting all these different ideas. So the ah connection between your vision. Ah,, let's call it physically. And your vision psychologically is completely interlinked and there are even um, different physiological responses to the position of your eyes even just looking up for a while.

13:02.96

Dr_ Placebo

Been playing a little volleyball recently and so of course I've I've tried to break down all of the volleyball shots and the stances that you find yourself in and sort of like deconstruct volleyball because I don't like to be bad at Sports I like to be good enough to really enjoy them. And I was just thinking how in volleyball you're basically looking straight ahead or up the entire time and I was like wow this would probably be 1 of the best things for people to do just force them to look up and extend. If they're spending tons of time looking. Let's say down at a 30 to sixty degree angle now they're looking up at a 30 to sixty degree angle and everything is up and the hand-eye coordination. Everything is pointed upwards so that. Ah, equal and opposite force could be really beneficial. So just not only the um the distance away from the object and certainly being able to track an object in and out is one of the more fundamental visual skills but also just the angle. Of your eyes has a big influence on your nervous system. You know you snap your eyes up. You should be going into extension. You snap your eyes down. You should be going into flexion so like a fetal position so the position of your eyes and the distance away.

14:33.56

Dr_ Placebo

Is going to have a big influence on your nervous system Vision's really complex. So one of the most complex things to understand.

14:37.96

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the the other thing is is I mean if you study any body language like I I watched a bunch of videos by this guy who worked for some intelligence agency where he was. Talking about? Well you can you know their eyes do this. It's a tell right? and then I got into a little bit of Nlp and it's you and you can you can watch people when you're talking to them now and you'll I'll ask somebody a question and they'll start looking up into the right or up into the left.

15:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

E.

15:08.26

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

15:14.15

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

15:16.38

mikebledsoe

And then if I ask them how they're feeling and if they're going to be honest with me a lot of times they'll look down like their eyes will will settle straight ahead into my eyes or they'll drop down or they'll they'll want to close their eyes and so yeah, well the the idea the idea that I'm thinking about.

15:30.00

Dr_ Placebo

Submissive.

15:35.59

mikebledsoe

Is is when the eyes go up a lot of times they're searching for something in the mind they're looking for a memory right in some people say I don't know how accurate this is up into the right you know is more creative processes are going and that part of the brain up into the left is a little more linear thinking more organized.

15:40.36

Dr_ Placebo

E o.

15:55.40

mikebledsoe

And so I mean I've watched people as I ask them questions and be in conversation. They're looking up and then they're looking to the right and up to the left and I can I can like I can actually see them searching for the information they're looking for.

15:57.51

Dr_ Placebo

I.

16:09.28

Dr_ Placebo

That's why I always just roll my eyes whenever you talk so you can't get a read on.

16:14.86

mikebledsoe

Um, but yeah, ah I mean try try looking up and looking down and see how that impacts.

16:15.40

Dr_ Placebo

But but.

16:23.73

mikebledsoe

Your experience in that moment. I mean anyone can try this right now just look down or close your eyes see what happens look up see what goat happens and to me for me. It does it shifts I can I can watch my awareness. Go up into my head or my awareness fall into my body.

16:43.60

Dr_ Placebo

Well, that's amazing I Think a good example is the connection I'll just bring it back to movement because that's sort of my thing still I Guess if you want to like mellow yourself out. You would basically take a lightweight and do some Romanian Deadlifts and you would look down you would you would you would look down.

17:18.10

Dr_ Placebo

You would kind of bend over so you're folding into that fetal Position. You wouldn't stand all the way up and that's going to bring you down that's going to take your nervous system way way down and then um, the opposite would be. You're doing something where you're looking up. And exploding upward whether that's throwing a medicine ball or a sandbag in the air. Um, ah, jumping all that kind of stuff you go up explosively man you are going to jack your nervous system up big Time. So. 1 of the things I've noticed is you can use the eye position as a way to influence the nervous system. Especially if you sync it up with ah synergistic movements along those lines is really powerful. Yeah, you take someone in the very beginning of a session.

18:01.19

mikebledsoe

I Like that.

18:08.51

Dr_ Placebo

And they're all lethargic and you have them throw a medicine ball up overhead as high and far as they can and snap their eyes upward and within a few repetitions they're they're just absolutely bringing up the level into more sympathetic which is where you're going to get a little more aggression. And then at the end if you want to bring someone back down, you just have them do something kind of eyes down and I'll just say fetal Ish position. Yeah.

18:38.65

mikebledsoe

Interesting I like that a lot I like that a lot um are you familiar with Paul check's totem.

18:47.15

Dr_ Placebo

No, ah no.

18:51.21

mikebledsoe

Basically has a hierarchy of of what dictates the health of the body. So at the bottom of the totem pole is the Musculo skeletal system and then you have the organs and then you have ah ah I think breath. And then you have ah your jaw basically your ability to masticate and then you go up level the stibular system and then you go to the ocular system which is the eyes and then above that is consciousness and all of all of like.

19:12.31

Dr_ Placebo

Oo a.

19:26.83

mikebledsoe

The idea is consciousness as we were talking about last week is what if something's off in your consciousness. It's going to filter down into your ocular vestibular your jaw your breath your organs and your musculoskeletal system. So if you end up with an injury. It may not just be 1 thing so ah say more.

19:47.18

Dr_ Placebo

It reminds me of the neural hierarchy. That's what I've heard which is visual vestibular and propriepptive so visual is the highest vestibular is second inropriacceptive which is your your body and your stuff is third and I've had. Lots of firsthand experience where improving someone's ability to see whether that's just moving their eyes or tracking an object through space has had a really significant difference I mean it feels like Voodoo almost. The fact that some people can have a pain in their back or their shoulder. We do something with their eyes and then it resolves itself and the the criticism of stuff like that is they're like oh well, it won't maybe it won't stay that way but I I would say that anything you can do. To get someone out of the fire basically and into a situation where they can move. Well again is really valuable. So I've seen how that neural hierarchy has played out to be true. You know if someone's got a visual problem. And they don't know that they have a visual problem and their leg hurts. You can do leg circles forever. But it doesn't resolve the root cause which is higher up on the hierarchy just like you know if you.

21:20.50

Dr_ Placebo

Give someone liposuction but you'd never repair their relationship with food. They're just going to get fat Again, you know what I mean so it's about addressing things at the root cause of it and the neural hierarchy is a top-down understanding I mean that's why I say vision is so complex because.

21:24.84

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

21:39.70

Dr_ Placebo

Our whole frame of the world is based on our ability to distinguish 1 thing from another and being able to label those things so when you see something it's fucking insane. But is actually really going on like we talk about all the different words that the eskimos or inuits have for snow a lot of different words for green and all of it has to do with being able to distinguish 1 thing from another and initially it was just ah like which way is up. Ah, is this thing going to eat me or not in fact, the evolution of the eye is a really interesting thing. There's a book ah by Isaac Asimov who I thought was just a sci-fi writer but he was also a science writer and it's called the human body structure and operation and it talks about.

22:33.29

Dr_ Placebo

Evolution of an eye which started out just as a few um photosensitive cells that could basically just detect photons so you know on the body of some organism. They can detect light or no light and then it turned into a little cup. So It could take in a little bit more light and then this eyeball evolved over time and that's also why like a lot of sea creatures are black on the top and white on the bottom so they are camouflaged against the surrounding environment. If You're an orcca whale and you're above something you're coming out of the they're coming out of the light so you want your belly to be light colored and if you're lower, You're going to be coming out of the darkness so you want the top to be darkly colored and a lot of fish are colored that way specifically. So It's a. Quite an interesting game of cat and mouse between vision and camouflage. Really interesting.

23:33.73

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, just goes back and forth. Yeah I think I was watching one of these dock 2 series on like a planet earth or something like that and they were talking about the evolution of the eye and how basically. The the basic functions of our eyes are the same as the a fish and just kind of basically well really.

24:00.33

Dr_ Placebo

I think I was saying that last week. Yeah, maybe to you maybe to someone else I talk about that all the time because um, that's there's more similar than there is different. With animals and the fact that a fish eye in your eye are so crazy similar is that blows my mind really because that's a very different creature but in a lot of ways you know they eat or get eaten.

24:27.13

mikebledsoe

It's tripping.

24:35.48

Dr_ Placebo

Shit stuff out and they have to see what's going on and we're not that different fundamentally. Of course we have all this other ah different stuff like language and metaphor and symbolism and arguably more complex relationships. But even a lot of very simple creatures. Have eyes I mean even ah tardigrades which are like the little water bears. Um, there are really really tiny microorganisms that can survive the.

25:02.68

mikebledsoe

Are they that that like the smallest are they the smallest living Organism or.

25:11.15

Dr_ Placebo

They no no, no, no, no, they're really weird. They have like 6 legs they're they can survive the vacuum of space they can turn into a crystal if there's not enough water it can survive like radiation. They're really weird. Ah they're. Called water bears but the real name is a tardigrade and they have tiny little eyes. It's a single cell little black spot here and here just in the same place that you would imagine an eye should be and even they have these little eyes. It's it's really trippy. It's it's a huge advantage in the primordial soup to be able to see a little bit further and we talk about ah projection on this show quite a lot and so being able to see further literally with your eyes. And then being able to see further. Let's say ah philosophically or symbolically with like your third eye and being able to project and plan into the future goes right in line with what you were saying before about that myopia of we could call it a. Mindopia like myopia of the mind. Basically that is ah synchronous with the myopia of the vision and once again, it's it's fine because that's how we get the comparative advantage of having someone who's purely focused on a few details.

26:25.82

mikebledsoe

Ah.

26:42.81

Dr_ Placebo

While someone else can be focused on the big picture and not bother with those details so much.

26:57.23

Dr_ Placebo

It's like having a lookout on a ship. Their job is to see and the Captain's job is to choose what to do about that.

27:03.46

mikebledsoe

Very specialized.

27:08.14

Dr_ Placebo

That's that's the name of our game. We specialize you you go kill the stuff I'll cook it I don't know why I made myself the lady in that example, right? there but but that's what it is specialization. Yeah no.

27:21.87

mikebledsoe

Ah I'll be the dude I'll be the dude I okay well at the end of the conversation I had with my fiancee last night was you know what do we do because you know I did go we but we both left.

27:25.38

Dr_ Placebo

No, one's going to believe that though.

27:38.90

mikebledsoe

California we're living in Texas and there you know, depending on where you live you may have some views that you can look out really far but where we live that's not really the case so spend a lot of time indoors especially because it gets so hot and we get outdoors quite a bit but. If I were to look at the amount of time I spend indoors and looking at screens versus out in nature and looking far away. The ratio is skewed a bit so we've made a commitment to spend more time outdoors my birthday. We're going to go backpacking. We'll be in tahoe next week um

28:16.85

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, nice.

28:17.90

mikebledsoe

You know? So we'll be so we're doing that and spend a lot of time in nature. Go hiking every day and yeah, so I think that I mean the way I I typically run my life is and ah you know just a sequence of extreme events and it's like. Extreme smallness in my my office and then going out and being nature for 3 4 or five days and then come back to the office for a week and then back and forth which I think is okay for a period of time but the overall goal is to live somewhere where I can regularly. Exercise my vision and and yeah and have that balance.

29:00.98

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, maybe take up bird watching probably some birds down there in Texas really you have a little journal.

29:06.50

mikebledsoe

Dude I did so much bird watching when I was in California I ah I you know I lived on that lagoon and I had those I had those? no but I would go out there and I I could I got to where I could predict. No. Every month there was a different type of bird that was coming into the trees these trees in the backyard and they'd be migrating and coming through and then these birds would come hang out for February and then they would disappear and then in April another different type of bird would be hanging out in the same trees. Ah, and.

29:24.50

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

29:28.93

Dr_ Placebo

O.

29:38.11

mikebledsoe

Yeah I spent a lot of time out there just checking the birds out.

29:44.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah that's a really ah engaging activity. Actually it's really weird. It's kind of like ah I had this idea that if you see a shooting star. It's lucky, but really. Is it lucky because you are making a wish on the shooting star because if you are that's cool. You're setting an intention. But also if you just happen to be outside looking at the night sky enough that you see shooting stars then that already means like you're bringing that luck. Into your life like that's a healthy behavior and you know it's not like ah this is good and this is bad kind of thing but you know if you are looking at something like straight. Ah you know eighteen inches in front of you ah getting that tunnel vision versus. Actually laying outside and looking at the stars. It's a very different kind of experience. So even if you don't make a wish you just happen to put yourself in a situation where you can see some some shooting stars. It's like you already did the thing that sets you up. For a little bit more peace of mind and relaxation.

30:57.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah, how often do use Stargas I don't do it hardly at all anymore it it only happens when I'm traveling and I'm out of the city because the city really messes it up.

31:08.20

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

31:13.30

Dr_ Placebo

Um, ah the last few weeks of having puppies I've done very little I've done more helping them chase crickets so ah, looking down I'll like find 1 and point it out and then let them go like try to catch it.

31:21.52

mikebledsoe

Perfect.

31:30.91

Dr_ Placebo

At night but I would say at least once a week I was ah laying outside at night. Um, and just looking up and it's it's ah another one of those really soothing experience it and it's not for everybody like I mean you don't have to do any of that shit it just. Can be a ah nice way to sort of temper the constant ah dopamine buffet that we have available to us.

31:59.24

mikebledsoe

All right? This is probably the first time I mean since the invention of the light bulb is you know the last hundred hundred and fifty years I mean really for the average person hundred years the first time that star gazing was not a thing.

32:16.28

Dr_ Placebo

M.

32:18.67

mikebledsoe

Sun goes down. Everyone's hanging out there's little to do after dark. Maybe you got some candlelight but the stars I mean when you know when you go out into the country you get away from the city. The the stars are so much easier to see it's It's something worth looking at. But if you're.

32:22.37

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

32:30.35

Dr_ Placebo

And.

32:36.30

mikebledsoe

And L a and you're trying to look at the stars. Good luck.

32:40.86

Dr_ Placebo

Right? I mean you'll still see stars. You just won't see as many and I would argue that you're better off to to look up at least a little bit I mean should we just call that ah call this episode look up even.

32:42.61

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

32:57.26

Dr_ Placebo

Even that the metaphor of look up is ah synonymous with having a positive attitude right? You can you can look up. You can also look down on somebody. That's a pretty ah unhealthy behavior I would argue you.

33:11.24

mikebledsoe

Look up to look down on.

33:15.53

Dr_ Placebo

Look up to somebody yeah look up to look down on. Yeah, it's It's pretty big.

33:18.41

mikebledsoe

You know.

33:35.10

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, do you do any? ah exercises for your vision.

33:39.25

mikebledsoe

Ah, there's one I don't do it frequently enough. But um one I like to do is I wrap a towel around my head um Criss Crosss it to basically keep my head from being the thing that turns basically stabilize that and then take my eyes I got a mandala.

33:50.92

Dr_ Placebo

And. E.

33:56.77

mikebledsoe

Hangs in my garage gym and I circle the mandala with my eyes and I'm I'm really focused on going slow and smooth and then if I find an area where my eyes want to skip which everyone will find some area. It's like oh down and to the right.

34:13.19

Dr_ Placebo

E.

34:16.27

mikebledsoe

My eye kind of jumped from here to here. Can I go back smooth it out and then keep going and if you can if you can go each way you know from right? you know, clockwise and counterclockwise around the mendala smoothly then you're going to be in a pretty good space. Ah.

34:18.90

Dr_ Placebo

In a.

34:36.36

mikebledsoe

That's also one way that they're able to see if you had a concussion in the past is if you're if you're either unable to I remember I was I being worked on once and I couldn't look up to the right I think it was.

34:40.10

Dr_ Placebo

He.

34:52.91

mikebledsoe

Was having trouble looking up to the right? they were doing an eye test on me and they were like oh did you have a concussion and you know where were you hit now. Of course I don't know which concussion they're talking about ah but the the ah.

35:05.10

Dr_ Placebo

So.

35:10.14

mikebledsoe

They they said oh yeah, a lot of times people they were hit up and to the right, their nervous system remembers that it basically thinks it's still happening and then it's that reaction to try to you know your eyes lead the way and you and you get away from whatever. Ah.

35:19.74

Dr_ Placebo

6

35:29.69

mikebledsoe

Force was coming at you and having maybe having some damage to the brain in that area keeps your eyes from being able to go back up and so one of the ways to help heal. The brain is through vision.

35:47.54

Dr_ Placebo

Absolutely I think being able to or not being able to but doing a few um circles with the eyes closed and then with the eyes open really smooth is a very simplified and good way to. Improve your ah overall ability to interact with your environment and then another good thing to add is throwing a ball against a wall with some letters drawn on it and calling out the letter that you see right before you catch it. So You're really tracking something in space I would say.

36:21.42

mikebledsoe

So you got letters on the wall. Oh on the ball.

36:24.80

Dr_ Placebo

Those are probably 2 of the biggest ones on the ball so you take a tennis you take a tennis ball and if you imagine the tennis ball is a cube you draw a letter or a number on each of the 6 faces of the cube. So whatever, whatever you see last you call that out. And do you have to draw anything on it. No, but if you do you're going to track it a little bit longer. So it's going to make you a little more attentive to staying focused on the ball. So even if that was all you did I mean I've written tons of stuff. About vision. It's in a lot of the programs that I've made. But if you just did some ah eyes closed circles and then eyes open circles and then throw a ball against a wall and track it through space that is going to go a really really long way. To improving your overall eye ability and if you do find a spot that's difficult. Um, you know, hold those 8 cardinal directions up up to the right, right? down right down down left left up left and back through.

37:20.00

mikebledsoe

I Like that a lot.

37:38.57

Dr_ Placebo

And what's interesting is if you do it with the eyes closed. You can focus a lot more on the extra ocular muscles because you're not receiving a lot of input about like oh I'm trying to look at this or that you can really just focus on the movement of the balls in the sockets.

37:54.41

mikebledsoe

You can feel it more.

37:57.16

Dr_ Placebo

Actually some of the yeah, it's some of the fastest muscles blinking is the fastest thing but your eyes can move really fast, pretty pretty fascinating that we can like look and cover so much distance. Like you can cover way more distance by looking and moving your eyes than you can by moving your body So It's a huge huge advantage. A lot of creatures don't have eyes and they figure it out just fine. They basically have to sniff and bump into stuff.

38:21.90

mikebledsoe

From.

38:30.63

mikebledsoe

Yeah I was ah I was watching a ah documentary on hunting and they were talking about they they were with these tribes people who had basically um. They would find an animal. They want to hunt and then they would basically creep up on it and then chase it until it ah was exhausted and they would kill it persistent hunting and um it was.

38:59.10

Dr_ Placebo

And persistence hunting.

39:06.97

mikebledsoe

Really interesting because I mean the the human body is made for that endurance. It's able to endure whereas an animal. Maybe some of these animals may be really fast but they can't cool off fast enough ah like a cheeah like you chase it long enough. It's going to tuck her out.

39:16.74

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, like a cheetah. Yeah. But dude Cheetahs have absolutely shit endurance like they can they can They can hum their motor for like cats in general but Cheetahs especially they can rev it really high but they just can't go very long and.

39:26.22

mikebledsoe

So yeah I think that's cats in general.

39:41.27

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

39:45.30

Dr_ Placebo

I I talk about this all the time actually because if you look at the human body ah compared to a lot of other animals. It's It's so fucking flimsy it's were. We're Squishy. We're Squishy. We don't have Claws. No armor, no poison. No Venom We're not particularly Fast. We're not particularly Strong. We don't have a lot of offspring. It's It's like really sad but we have Thumbs. We have neocortex and by working together. That's basically good enough that we can have these like.

40:17.39

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

40:21.50

Dr_ Placebo

Squishy Bipedal bodies and just dominate every other animal.

40:24.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I mean one of the things about the persistent persistence hunting the two things that stood out to me was one is we as humans can keep our bodies cooler for long distance than than a lot of these animals and then.

40:42.28

Dr_ Placebo

Sweating.

40:42.68

mikebledsoe

Yeah, just being able to sweat versus you know, most perspiration coming through the mouth through a lot of these maybe an antelope or something like that that they're chasing down or a buffalo and the other thing is ah if you look at the anatomy of a lot of apes.

40:51.57

Dr_ Placebo

That's why dogs pant and.

41:01.81

mikebledsoe

They I don't remember the exact like joint it is That's in the neck you may know that allows us to stabilize our vision on the horizon while we run So ah, a typical ape wouldn't actually okay.

41:16.72

Dr_ Placebo

It's a vestibular ocular reflex. So that's one of the drills I have people do in Primal Athleticism is to keep your gaze fixed on a spot on the wall. You can draw a spot or put a Post-it note and you move your head left and right you tilt it left and right.

41:20.74

mikebledsoe

Is this a.

41:25.58

mikebledsoe

They have.

41:34.22

Dr_ Placebo

And you nod up and down and you can stay focused on the spot over there. You can do figure eights and if I do figure eights I can still see you crystal clear and that's that's pretty wild. Yeah yeah, this yeah.

41:45.58

mikebledsoe

I Like that just doing it with you for the people who are only listening which is everybody. Ah.

41:52.23

Dr_ Placebo

You're really missing out on our funny head movements while we stare into each other's eyes.

41:53.79

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it really stood out to me is the the thing that really the the 2 things that allowed humans to consume more meat and more what I would imagine be enough fat. To to sit well 2 things. The fat helps build the brain and gives you the ability to sit and think because you you get a ton of calories for you know you expend some calories you kill the animal. But now you have a lot of calories to sit around. And consider things or to build something whereas ah most animals I think they spend their days finding the food chewing. Well a lot of apes I know it's chewing. Yeah.

42:36.28

Dr_ Placebo

It's chewing chewing and it's just chewing. They're just chewing all fucking. How do you get to be a giant gorilla with huge muscles and you're a vegetarian you have to be chewing all fucking day. You're just chewing all day.

42:50.13

mikebledsoe

All day.

42:55.61

Dr_ Placebo

And we have these vertical bodies So We're also not encumbered by gravity the same way like if you imagine just how much less work you have to do by stacking your entire mass like a pillar. Instead of like a bridge. You know if you're a quadruped you're basically doing a plank all fucking day. So you're constantly expending energy just to to stand. Let alone walk. You're expending even more energy. So The fact that we can use our Skeleton to support our structure in.

43:17.83

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

43:33.36

Dr_ Placebo

Perfect alignment with gravity more or less with these nice Arches through the neck and the spine and the hips and of course our hips are highly optimized for ah, walking and running especially walking. It allows us to cover a lot of ground much slower. But a lot more ground with a lot less energy expenditure. It's incredible and see further. It's like we're in a constant ah prairie dog position where we're up being able to see further along the horizon right.

43:53.59

mikebledsoe

Yeah, what.

44:05.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the do you have any exercises for working peripheral vision specifically it seems like the the figure 9 might help a bit.

44:18.91

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, ah, um, so if you're doing it yourself. You bring your arms all the way out to the side and you start. Ah, you point your Index fingers straight up and you look straight ahead and you start wiggling your fingers and slowly. Bringing your arms forward until you can see your wiggling fingers and what's interesting is um I can't remember which book I wrote it in but the eye loves movement. The eye is attracted to Movement. So if you um, try to see something in your peripherals. That's.

44:38.37

mikebledsoe

No.

44:56.17

Dr_ Placebo

Still,, you're probably not going to see it because what ends up happening is you only see like a small field of vision of your focal vision. It's called versus your peripheral and your brain fills in the rest. This is what this is why vision gets so fucking Crazy is. You see stuff and then your brain fills it in based on what it thinks is supposed to be there. But if you have like wiggling objects come in from the outside of your periphery you're going to see them a lot easier because your eye is attracted to movement and of course that's ah, an evolutionary advantage. That you want to see any shit that's moving way more than stuff that is ah, not moving right? Another another thing you can do for a peripheral vision is if you have like ah a partner to do that for you coming in.

45:38.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, something I want to kill or avoid to be killed by.

45:54.54

Dr_ Placebo

From the peripheral or even throwing a ball over your head in front of you So you're waiting your partner is behind you and he tosses a ball ah over the back of your head into your field of view and you try to catch the ball. As it goes from your peripheral and to your focal vision. Yeah yeah,. But even if you just do the the the finger wiggling thing that'll give you something and it kind of reminds me of that.

46:10.95

mikebledsoe

I Like that a lot that sounds fun.

46:28.92

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, martial Arts Soft eyes where you try to diffuse your focus like the lantern versus the laser like we talk about.

46:44.47

Dr_ Placebo

Right? No, we haven't talked about that I'm getting getting and getting a lot of silence over here.

46:48.56

mikebledsoe

Um, totally I yeah I'm having a you know I didn't get a lot of sleep last night is two weeks in a row I'm just I now I know you.

46:56.87

Dr_ Placebo

Here We go with the fucking excuses you son of a bitch I don't want to hear that shit just fake it.

47:04.97

mikebledsoe

Um, just having I'm having I'm having a time in my life. You're gonna have to carry me a little bit I think we're gonna We're gonna be okay max.

47:10.11

Dr_ Placebo

Um, fake it like your wife cinnamon. Your wife's name is cinnamon Cinnamon cinnamon.

47:17.35

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah, cinnamon cinnamon cinminnamon in oh I think we covered a lot of good ground here. A lot of practical ah advice things for people to do go outdoors.

47:31.10

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

47:35.70

mikebledsoe

Ah, make sure you're looking far I don't think anyone needs to be told to look close I think we're getting plenty of that just make sure you're getting some type of balance there move your eyes around ah circles are great. Ah, what else you say we got. Ah.

47:43.68

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

47:54.25

Dr_ Placebo

So you have ah visual tracking so being able to track a ball coming in at you. Um, there's way more. But for the sake of simplicity. Yeah, even if you just did the eyes closed ah circles and holds.

47:56.58

mikebledsoe

Yep.

48:10.71

Dr_ Placebo

Eyes open circles and holds and then tossed a ball against a wall preferably like twenty Ish feet away and then the other thing I would say is whenever you sit down at a console set a fucking timer. We have. These magic rectangles and one of their functions is that you can set a timer just don't get frozen in any single position. You know you want to have the farmer vision and the accounting vision. You want to have the lantern and the laser and it's the Alternating. You know another thing I have people do um in the primal athleticism program I do nearf far drills which is you basically put a post it on the wall twenty thirty feet away and you draw something on it a letter a number something that you have to really be able to focus on. And then you hold another one in your hand like let's say twelve inches away so you have something that's twelve inches or twenty inches away in your hand and then you have something that's about 20 to thirty feet away on the wall and you basically try to see how quickly you can cycle between focusing on each one so you know let's say I have a written in the post it in my hand and I have b written in the posted on the wall and I'm going to try to cycle between a and b back and forth as quickly as I can and of course you can move the post it around.

49:42.29

Dr_ Placebo

And have it be down a little lower but the main thing is that you're just changing the distance of your focal point because if you're focused on the post it in your hand. You're not going to be able to see what's written on the posted on the wall and if you wanted to you know?? um. Upgraded a little bit. You could write like love on the wall and courage in your hand or something like that. So you have more of like a psychological thing going On. It's you know a little bit sterile to be like ah look at a and then look at B Ah so as long as you're going to do that You might as well.

50:16.36

mikebledsoe

I think you should put Mike and max on these postcards that that you know, ah if you if you go to if you go to the website and there's a lead.

50:20.78

Dr_ Placebo

Right? perfect.

50:31.58

mikebledsoe

Well, there's a pdf over there. Ah.

50:35.95

Dr_ Placebo

This is getting weird I love it. But basically you just cycle back and forth see how quickly and use a metronome if you have 1 available to you get free app on your phone and cycle between the close and the far vision.

50:37.18

mikebledsoe

A.

50:52.20

mikebledsoe

But the you introduced me to using the metronome with training for all sorts of different things that was incredibly useful for me appreciate that I Highly recommend it? yeah.

50:54.93

Dr_ Placebo

So that's another thing you can do. Ah.

51:05.90

Dr_ Placebo

Oh my god yeah, it's ah it's an absolute game changer people are so focused on how much mass is being moved versus how much acceleration is happening. And 1 of the most fundamental physics. Equations is force equals mass times acceleration and I think it's hilarious. This perverted obsession. We have with mass and this complete neglect of acceleration when in actuality. Um, people care way more.

51:25.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

51:41.50

Dr_ Placebo

About how fast they can move rather than how much stuff they can move and the people who have the best longevity are the ones who retain their ability to be able to move quickly and in fact, that's the athletic attribute that deteriorates more rapidly. Which is why ah sprinters you know tend to peak before age 30 but power lifters tend to peak often in their 40 s late 40 s fifty s so ah, way too much focus is spent on. The amount of mass that is being moved versus the amount of force that is being generated which includes the acceleration and a metronome improves your coordination. It proves your rhythm and it also is a way to very easily ah increase the force. By increasing the acceleration as opposed to just increasing the mass really powerful stuff. I mean there's a lot of other eye Exercises. You could do with it. But yeah for sake of simplicity ah eyes closed make Circles eyes open make circles throw a ball against the wall.

52:37.81

mikebledsoe

Yeah, love it.

52:54.80

Dr_ Placebo

And then try that near far drill and then use a timer so you're not stuck ah on any 1 ah console for too long. You know there's like the twenty Twenty rule every 20 minutes look twenty feet away for at least 20 seconds that's fine ah a little bit longer would be better though. You know so every 15 minutes or so look at something further away for a little while it'll make a big difference.

53:20.89

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so we call it is anything else. You want to leave him with feel like got some Yeah, everyone's got homework to do. Don't go back and put these things into practice.

53:31.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

53:37.52

Dr_ Placebo

Do do some drawing and doodling do doodling is better than dawdling is what I say so if you're if you're stuck like draw dry it out. You know, a lot of ah. 1 of the big advantages we have is being able to draw symbols and shapes and connect different ideas together. So if you're if you're not sure just start just start drawing shapes and ah connecting words and ideas with lines so you can see it all. Big picture and I think this is probably one of the things that I do best because sometimes I have difficulty staying engaged with details but I will often get out a piece of paper and just draw down some ideas but I'll connect them with ah shapes and lines and diagrams. And I'll try to make some math equations there too but getting your ideas. Ah not only down on paper in words but also connected together in shapes and symbols and lines is really powerful and so you will be able to improve your ability to visualize. And ah envision the future if you use some symbols on the paper. So ah I'll just I'll close with that. Thank you guys. You can see me Maxshank.com Mike Bleso you can find him on his new newsletter where you can get.

54:53.15

mikebledsoe

That hurt.

55:04.61

Dr_ Placebo

Hot Fresh ah wisdom delivered to your inbox and then also blue light blocking glasses I think you can learn the secret as well.

55:16.90

mikebledsoe

Yep yep, just go go go find on the newsletter. Maybe one day I'll yeah I mean if you actually there's if you Dm me I can get you on the newsletter. But right now I don't have anywhere.

55:19.50

Dr_ Placebo

Where can they find that strong coach. What where do I sign up for your newsletter dude right.

55:33.76

mikebledsoe

For anyone to sign up so I'm ah.

55:34.84

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, how convenient it's like it's like a secret club with no sign on La door.

55:43.42

mikebledsoe

I Got I've got a I got my email list that people that got in or get my messages. The people who want in are confused. It's okay I'm I'm rebuilding some things. Ah.

55:56.86

Dr_ Placebo

Ah I like it so send you a dm Mike Underscore blood so if you want to get in on it I like it.

56:00.74

mikebledsoe

Yeahp Yeah I'll I'll add you and yeah I like to keep it tight I Only want to be talking to people who really want to be talking to me. So yeah, yeah.

56:08.70

Dr_ Placebo

All right? nice. Keep it keep a clear vision until next time folks. Thanks Mikey! Love you buddy.

56:15.61

mikebledsoe

Love you lady y'all.

Sep 12, 2022

00:00.00

mikebledsoe

Oh last too bad. Yeah, it's great. It's great.

00:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

All on my end I Still don't see it look. Do you see that see the levels. There's nothing there. You think it's great that we can only hear you talking on the recording is that what you're telling me.

00:15.28

mikebledsoe

Now I can we can hear you just fine. We're working on Max's audio again. Um, how's your week ben.

00:17.27

Dr_ Placebo

If you say So oh.

00:28.30

Dr_ Placebo

My week's been good. How about you.

00:33.35

mikebledsoe

Ah, man, it's been ah, it's been a lot of lot of fun I'm I'm rereading a book right now dollars flow to me easily by Richard dots and highly recommend it to anyone who well. Wants easy transformation. So that's really the book has little to do with money has everything to do with ah creating an inner state that ah of goodness allowing that to emerge and then ah.

01:00.62

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:10.26

mikebledsoe

Allowing the universe to deliver all your intentions and desires to your doorstep. So if if money is what you need to reach your desires then you know I find that when I find that inner peace and goodness and just sit in that. Really cool things. Emerge.

01:33.25

Dr_ Placebo

Kind of reminds me with ah dog training that it's not about training the dog. It's about training the person a lot of the time and as far as creative work is concerned if you are in a.

01:42.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah for.

01:49.42

Dr_ Placebo

Ah heightened state of some kind whether that's a flow state or otherwise you're just going to do your best work right.

01:55.49

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you know what? I Also find that I've never figured anything out in Business. It's never been. You know there's definitely things to Learn. There's skills to learn. You know, managing finances and budgets and. Learning how to copyright and all these things are really useful skills and it doesn't mean you need you, You should avoid learning anything but it ah for me to sit with oh I'm going to sit and think my way to a solution when I'm having a problem is rarely.

02:26.51

Dr_ Placebo

What.

02:32.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, how it works out I can't even think of a time where I thought my way to a solution most of the solutions that have occurred to me has just been. You know you're in the shower or something or ah, you know I'm thinking about something I go to the fridge.

02:37.25

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

02:43.83

Dr_ Placebo

And.

02:49.87

Dr_ Placebo

Who.

02:50.15

mikebledsoe

So it's um, yeah, what I like about this book is it really puts me in that place of just observing what's good and then watching these things these ideas emerge and I definitely had that experience yesterday and um.

03:03.19

Dr_ Placebo

O.

03:09.23

mikebledsoe

Was being interviewed by John North um of weightlifting talk and he he and I had like similar rises of notoriety in the in the weightlifting Crossfit world and like at the same time and then also had you know.

03:24.60

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

03:27.79

mikebledsoe

Kind of disappeared into the ether around the same time I I ah regularly get hit up by people on Instagram or Twitter and they're like oh shit, you're still alive like yeah yeah, still hanging out still doing some stuff and we had he. He.

03:30.30

Dr_ Placebo

And.

03:37.52

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah. Um, funny wo who.

03:47.14

mikebledsoe

He asked me he goes he goes look. We can talk about all the good stuff we could talk about the good times. But why don't you tell us about the dark moments in your career in business I was like oh boy, Oh boy I can deliver that.

04:01.74

Dr_ Placebo

Um. O.

04:05.32

mikebledsoe

There's some dark moments. And yeah I don't know how long the show went on for it felt like 2 hours and it was you know I think it's the most emotional I've ever been on a podcast I don't think I've ever been interviewed and gotten that emotional.

04:09.82

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

04:14.54

Dr_ Placebo

Whoo.

04:19.92

Dr_ Placebo

Woo Whoa. Oh.

04:25.11

mikebledsoe

And um, yeah I really just I but basically I covered the year of 2017 for me and I didn't go through the whole year in detail but I went through the the thing a lot of the stuff that you know it's a good story. So I recommend anyone go listen to that. Um.

04:45.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, do weightlifting dot com and you click on the podcasts. Ah and it was.. It was so emotional and it brought up. You know? Ah, Ah, you know if I could label the emotions. It was just there were it was just ah, a constant flow so much. So like I don't think I felt my emotions that deeply for that period that extended period of time in a very long time and when I got off the show. My fiance she she went off to dinner with a friend of hers. So I go sit in the sauna afterwards and meditate and just Sawa and cold plunge and then came home and got in bed and it. It occurred to me I was like this story that this story of 2017 is there's so many lessons that I learned that I really a lot of times I share the lessons in a very straightforward way but not in. But I could be sharing it from a place of storytelling which as you know that's the best way to get a point across is if you can embed it in a story.

05:52.98

Dr_ Placebo

So.

06:00.80

Dr_ Placebo

We need an arc with no arc no one care. No one cares without an arc. It might be true. It might be correct, but no one cares and that's been ah that's been something that I have hardly capitalized on much.

06:03.72

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so no one cares.

06:17.43

Dr_ Placebo

Because I don't care about the story interestingly enough I just want the I want the bullet points I want them in the correct sequence and I want as little fluff as possible but that's just not how people work.

06:23.76

mikebledsoe

I yeah.

06:34.10

mikebledsoe

No yeah mean we live by narratives and archetypes and archetypes is even a narrative about a type of person and ah you know? And yeah, so in in the world of you know speakers you know.

06:35.16

Dr_ Placebo

The.

06:51.61

mikebledsoe

I know you know this is every great speaker has got their keynote story and speakers that have been around for a long time people who get on stage. They'll have 2 or 3 depending on the situation and I've had so many I've had like so many they. So.

06:55.80

Dr_ Placebo

A good.

07:10.83

mikebledsoe

Speaking Coaches Love targeting me as a client they're like okay you know you're you're good on Stage. You're good at telling stories all this but you haven't really honed in on a story that converts people into a product that you're selling or a service. Or whatever and I go Yeah, you know, ah all the greats. The people who can sell a lot. They do it through storytelling and I've tried different stories and nothing really nothing really stuck. Nothing was super powerful and.

07:48.58

mikebledsoe

I'm in bed last night and I'm I'm simply in the fields of my feelings and emergency goes. Oh that's that's the story. You should tell because these guys were on the edge of their seat at the end they were blown away they were it was it was obvious it was and I had never told the story in.

07:56.13

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

08:07.62

mikebledsoe

That much detail before on a podcast partly because lawsuits are a part of it and ah you know while lawsuits are going on. You can't go around telling stories about it. But it's ah.

08:19.40

Dr_ Placebo

Um I would check with someone who knows these things rather than your hunch.

08:23.37

mikebledsoe

I Think enough time has passed I think I'm okay.

08:31.30

mikebledsoe

Ah I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, the contract said something about 3 years and it's been more than three years. So I'm not too worried about it.

08:42.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's Interesting. You mentioned that because I find I know I'm in the minority but I find ah nothing ah less genuine and more fake when I see a speaker going through this big personal story. I'm like I I want to go like I know what you're trying to do. Can you stop it. You're annoying me like I came here to learn something and if you give me this long thing about your life I'm only going to leave. Basically so I I I know I'm in the minority. Um, with with that. But I mean.

09:02.81

mikebledsoe

Okay, yeah.

09:12.55

mikebledsoe

You are.

09:17.76

Dr_ Placebo

Really successful guys. Ah, really do like Tug the heartstrings they play they play a crowd like a fiddle and it's quite a cool skill. But if I'm in the crowd I I like start to hate that person almost and I hate that person that's too strong but it makes me.

09:30.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah there.

09:36.60

Dr_ Placebo

It makes me ah feel less connected to them because I know that they're not doing this to provide a service they're doing this to like puff up their character right? who.

09:48.20

mikebledsoe

Right? right? Yeah I mean um I think you and I are like in that way and that might be why we avoid you know, telling that story and um.

09:54.98

Dr_ Placebo

It depends on what message you're trying to convey to right? like it's possible to tell a good story without making it about yourself right? You can talk about like.

10:08.66

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

10:12.65

Dr_ Placebo

Costs and benefits and consequences and archetypes without telling a 20 minute personal story during a 30 minute lecture

10:21.35

mikebledsoe

Well one of the most popular one of the most popular books on leadership a couple years ago was extreme ownership and I don't know if you read that is by Jocko willing and the entire the there's like ah a paragraph that gives the lesson embedded in.

10:28.43

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I did.

10:37.93

Dr_ Placebo

These war stories. It's worst. It's war stories and I was like what what? yeah.

10:39.20

mikebledsoe

this this story it's all war stories war stories with like ah like you could you could have gotten the point in like 2 pages the entire book. But it's buried in all these war stories and everyone loved it and I was like I like I was it was okay.

10:54.25

Dr_ Placebo

I Find that? yeah well, what's funny is um, like I I don't like the book I think he is a really interesting character and it's the perfect example. Of who you want to lead a team of killers like but but is that who I want to emulate in my personal life as a leader and it's like I don't think so you know there are qualities that you can pick and choose and that's why it's so tricky to.

11:13.20

mikebledsoe

Yes.

11:21.66

mikebledsoe

Right.

11:30.89

Dr_ Placebo

Pick someone to emulate consciously or subconsciously because you're only ah seeing a window into their life and you may not want their life. Um, right.

11:40.31

mikebledsoe

Well in addition to that I mean you referred to dwayne the Rock Johnson in that regard before I think even on the last show but the the and I agree with the Jocko thing there was there were.

11:50.95

Dr_ Placebo

That's my go to.

11:56.52

mikebledsoe

There were certain things about that book and his attitude that just don't don't jive with me either and it's always been funny because people people are like oh my God It was so good I'm like well what parts are like all of it I'm like ah maybe not all of it. But some of it was Good. Um. And it because we do. We do need to be careful about who we model and.

12:21.57

Dr_ Placebo

We're supposed to think that the books are good sometimes sometimes you're just supposed to think a book is good like my ah my friend was really kind. She got me a Tony Robbins book ah his newest who is his newest one life force.

12:33.64

mikebledsoe

I who.

12:37.66

Dr_ Placebo

Um, and before you think this is a plug This is the opposite of a plug. Whatever I'm about to do right now I was like I was it was fucking unreadable. It was so embarrassing like it was a giant infomercial of widgets that he's invested into.

12:41.84

mikebledsoe

Ah me. But.

12:49.41

mikebledsoe

A.

12:57.47

Dr_ Placebo

Very unclear, very superficial, hardly practical, really like off the-wall shit that applies to nobody I Fucking hated it and of course I told my friend this too I told my friend this I was like that's one of the worst books about health that I think I've ever Read. It was hard to Read. It wasn't Useful. It wasn't simple. It wasn't clear but I really appreciate the gift. You know what? I mean like don't like hey I I Really appreciate that someone would buy a book for me I Think that's really nice but I don't have to like it just because.

13:25.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, good effort.

13:36.43

Dr_ Placebo

Um, you're supposed to like it and I think that happens quite a lot and.

13:39.62

mikebledsoe

Well, you're gonna be my editor for my book. So it's gonna it's gonna have to pass the the max shank Sniff test.

13:47.69

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh dude, ah call me the copy doced. Yeah copy doctor a doctor the copy up I'm I'm great I'm great at that sort of thing.

13:50.91

mikebledsoe

The what the copy Doc Oh okay, all right, all right? Perfect Oh perfect, all right look at that look at that folks. We finally agreed to do something outside of the podcast. So.

14:04.44

Dr_ Placebo

Oh perfect.

14:10.16

mikebledsoe

Ah, well you brought up something interesting and because ah we are we learn through modeling but we also have anti-models and there are people that we don't want to be like and we got to be ah, equally careful of that. So. There's a number Tony Robbins would fall in this category right? Maybe maybe for you I'm the same way I've never.

14:34.73

Dr_ Placebo

I Think he does some great stuff by the way I think there are people that he legitimately helps so much and I think that's fantastic and I think that book was awful.

14:42.98

mikebledsoe

I agree. Yeah well I think his style overall is just not for me I don't think you're going to find max and I and a crowd of 10000 people you know psyching ourselves up. It's just not kind of not going to happen and we don't need that we're we're past that.

14:53.93

Dr_ Placebo

Woo Totally right? Hey people like different things.

15:01.96

mikebledsoe

And people like different things but we're not going to model Tony Robbins you're you're not going to find max or I on stage. You know, screaming at people and getting them pumped up with music and jumping around and it's just not going to happen. And we should. We should just do it just to just a fuck with people like.

15:20.32

Dr_ Placebo

Cut to a year we're both on stage with headsets on. Are you guys ready to do fire breathing and then ah.

15:32.28

Dr_ Placebo

I would do I would do a fake one I would I would do a fake one and just ah play a character I think that would be hilarious.

15:37.80

mikebledsoe

Too bad We don't live in the same town Anymore. We can make a bunch of Spoofs about personal development programs. But ah, we got to be equally Careful. So ah, you know I don't think I shared this with you privately. But I didn't share this On. Podcast and I'll I'll share it I won't mention who this person is but I was hanging out with this person and they refused to wear a seatbelt why because they were because there's a law that says they're supposed to so they just don't want to do it and then the same person.

16:13.64

Dr_ Placebo

Rebel without a cause sure.

16:15.25

mikebledsoe

Ribble without a cause and the same person opens up their mail at the house opens it up. There's a picture of a license plate and saying you were speeding in the zone or whatever he rips it in half throws in the garbage can he's a god that's the thirteenth one this year and. Ah, and you know I I don't disagree I would handle that differently. But there's a lot of like really easy easy legal ways of getting out of traffic tickets that involve automatic cameras. They pretty much have. You pretty you challenge it at all and they have to drop it because nobody caught you in the act. So ah, the the point is is a lot of times people who who are the rebel without a cause they just rebelling so they they may find some. We could say some people just rebellious in nature like I'm I'm very rebellious you're rebellious I can tell you that you you don't match the status quo heartily at all and yeah, and.

17:18.57

Dr_ Placebo

But only because they're really Ill like if they were healthy I would like I I don't even really want to be a rebel I Just want to get a good result. But.

17:26.76

mikebledsoe

But to be. Yeah, you're selective right? And so I remember you know I'm in the car with the person and they're not wearing their seatbelt I'm like why you know why didn you put on the seatbelt like yeah, that and I go Well, you know it's it's you're following in the same trap of lack of critical thinking.

17:48.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

17:49.85

mikebledsoe

You don't want to be like this person so you don't do anything like that person does it like ah Tony Robbins like you were saying there are some aspects of his life that should definitely be emulated. But if you go look I don't like Tony Robbins I'm not can do anything and this is a lot of people and people general.

18:00.13

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

18:07.15

Dr_ Placebo

So it's the devil.

18:07.59

mikebledsoe

A lot of times generalize this to say wealthy people. Oh I don't wanna be like I don't want to be like that greedy rich guy. So I'm not gonna have any money I'm like you know you can have money without being greedy right? like there's and there's collapsed distinctions in there but you gotta be careful about.

18:20.98

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Yep I know Yep, it's the same ah like God and the devil ad hommonym appeal to authority thing.

18:27.37

mikebledsoe

Who you're modeling and then who you're anti-modeling.

18:36.32

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, um.

18:36.94

Dr_ Placebo

Over and over like if you dislike somebody personally and that causes you to ignore the lesson they have that would help you then you're an idiot you're you're overly emotional and you're conflating this personality that you don't like. Thinking that they are wrong and that's just simply not the case right? You have to be able to dislike somebody and still be able to use your logic to determine whether they're right about something or not and I've had plenty of opportunity to do this because ah, especially. In ah like the copywriting world right? like there's there's a supreme emphasis on exaggerating the truth and maybe even being like a bit of an egomaniac and so those are traits that I really dislike personally and there are even people.

19:18.11

mikebledsoe

Um.

19:33.63

Dr_ Placebo

That I dislike personally but I still want to take the um the idea separate from the individual. It's like ah is Bill Cosby still funny yes absolutely fucking. Hilarious 1 of the best comedians of all time and whether you think he is ah guilty of certain crimes or not should be irrelevant to the comedy. Um, and this is not a popular take by the way I'm not going to win any friends with this. Idea. Ah okay I think people like ah Bill Cosby less than hitler somehow even though it's entirely possible that the guy was completely set up which is crazy to think about you know, speaking of all that I think it's so funny.

20:08.60

mikebledsoe

Um, I'm going to follow it up with a hitler one. So we'll just lose everybody.

20:21.27

mikebledsoe

Yeah Trump.

20:27.20

Dr_ Placebo

That we we collectively kind of watch the news and we see something or we hear something we're like whoa how did that happen and then we watch a movie and we go whoa. That's amazing. So realistic and we never think that some of those movie people would. Like create some news like if you're directing a movie. You're organizing thousands of people, computer programmers actors extras camera people and it's like you think these ah geniuses of illusion. Never fabricate some sort of reality of.

20:48.91

mikebledsoe

No, ah.

21:05.31

Dr_ Placebo

Of course they do is. It's very. It's very interesting. How quick we are to throw people under the bus just because ah he said she said kind of thing.

21:13.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, that's absolutely right? Yeah, the the I would say the movie. What's happening in movie theaterore and what's happening in the news is is very much alike I think there's tons of crossover there I mean it what this is.

21:28.87

Dr_ Placebo

Of course, there's incentive to do So What do we? What do we know? if there is an incentive and opportunity it happens like there's enough people that if there's incentive and opportunity. It's happening. You don't have to like it. But that's what's happening.

21:36.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

21:44.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's I'm gonna go into like conspiracy theory land a bit but that but there's there's actual evidence of cia being involved in hollywood in the early stages of of Hollywood coming around. Um.

21:46.43

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

21:58.48

Dr_ Placebo

If if they weren't They'd be stupid to be the central stupid agency if they weren't using the fucking movies and like I mean are you kidding me like this whole.

22:00.92

mikebledsoe

They yeah.

22:08.93

mikebledsoe

Ah.

22:12.14

Dr_ Placebo

Even the word conspiracy is used as an ad hominem attack when the word conspiracy just means that people meet up in secret everybody people meet up in secret all the fucking time That's like almost all that happens.

22:19.88

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and um, and people have theories about them about these meetings now it and ah even before the cia I mean that's how they drummed up.

22:27.71

Dr_ Placebo

No deck.

22:35.18

mikebledsoe

Ah, interest or support for the war effort in World War two is they would they would show these they would they would show these hype videos like sizzle reels basically of why you should support the War effort World War Two and.

22:38.52

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

22:51.86

mikebledsoe

It worked it hyped everybody up and they use movie theaters for that early on so when you look at what how that was used then and then you look at ah who if you watch the news like so Cbs is probably the worst Cbs Nbc you watching these major news networks. Almost every evening you're going to see them interviewing somebody from the cia or somebody who used to work for the cia or the Fbi or something like that these intelligence agencies have totally got these ah news agencies by the balls.

23:19.54

Dr_ Placebo

A.

23:30.74

mikebledsoe

Like they they basically get to weave whatever narrative and they desire and people just buy it hook line and sinker and so I bring this up because yeah, the differences between Hollywood and what's happening in the news same thing same people. Ah.

23:34.41

Dr_ Placebo

Well. O.

23:47.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, no doubt like there's too much incentive and opportunity for that to not be going on I would say it would be foolish to not do that if one of the main goals is to control the domestic population and then.

23:50.16

mikebledsoe

Same narratives.

23:56.61

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

24:07.36

Dr_ Placebo

Maybe like a secondary goal is ah to defend against foreign invaders because one of them is way more likely to cause a problem actually historically speaking I mean yeah.

24:15.85

mikebledsoe

1 the and the United States that's absolutely true because get waging war on the us is difficult. There's you know two oceans between every yeah, geographically we're positioned really well. There's there's a lot of reasons.

24:25.97

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, there's a lot of reasons lot of reasons. Yeah, you got to watch out for Knida I hear their military has grown to 2000 people I don't know why I'm talking I don't know why I'm talking on Canada.

24:34.42

mikebledsoe

Um.

24:38.76

mikebledsoe

Sorry Canadian listeners to get fired up.

24:45.18

Dr_ Placebo

Like Well what's the point there's it's like ah it's like picking on the small kid that's like hardly fair. Yeah, it's kind of funny I Guess yeah.

24:51.51

mikebledsoe

Is got. It's like ah south part in South Bark and the was it Terrence and Philip did you ever watch south part.

25:02.14

Dr_ Placebo

I watched ah tons of South Park I actually even caught their ah concert they did to celebrate their ah 25 year ah anniversary um, is on. It's on Youtube they showed the whole thing. It was incredible.

25:08.11

mikebledsoe

Did you? Oh I thought you caught it live.

25:16.96

Dr_ Placebo

Oh no, no I didn't go live but I did watch it at home. It was fantastic Man it was crazy I mean they got like ah the remaining members from rush to come play. You know they had they had like these serious rock stars like come out of retirement.

25:26.18

mikebledsoe

Oh man.

25:34.67

Dr_ Placebo

Just so they could play with the guys who made south park and I mean it just shows that what they've created ah goes across all these different genres of art and culture and I think those guys are absolute creative monsters. They played a ton of so it was just those guys are crazy talented crazy motivated. It was a hell of a cool thing to see ah six days to air. Great documentary. Terrific. That's how they stay so current. Meanwhile you know Simpsons. Ah.

25:59.88

mikebledsoe

Well they they put the shows together in six days yeah Yeah

26:14.16

Dr_ Placebo

Which also ah used to be a great show. Um, they're like six months out basically of what's going on so South Park is always crazy current on what's going on because they ah condense that creative work so much.

26:31.13

mikebledsoe

Yeah, my my my favorite south part ever to this date I think I laughed harder on any other one was the ah when they covered the recession 2007 2008 and and when they chopped it.

26:42.57

Dr_ Placebo

Oh that was good. So so funny.

26:46.97

mikebledsoe

Head off the chicken and let it run around to figure out which who's gonna get bailed out next shit shit sent me over the fucking Moon I was I lost it ugly these people are complete geniuses is this so good.

27:01.42

Dr_ Placebo

He's like trying to return a margarita v he's like well what we did is we took your Margaritaville loan and we bundled it together with a bunch of other Margaritaville loans and we traded it on the open market and then we have people betting. On the viability of the payback of those marker. It's like a fucking margarita maker but they're just going through the whole thing. Ah but through the lens of like an overpriced beverage machine is so funny. Those guys are absolute studs anyway, yeah so.

27:26.21

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

27:32.76

Dr_ Placebo

Back to conspiracy theories. Ah which are really just ah I Guess it's like ah hypotheses right? It's not like it depends on.

27:42.35

mikebledsoe

Right? Well here's the thing is here's the thing is I think we're conspiracy theories people with conspiracy theories get in trouble is when they believe them ah or people who hear conspiracy theory they believe it and it's as if they forget the theory part. And ah, you know there's you know who people are treating like conspiracy facts or conspiracy truth or whatever you want to call it and that's it's it's funny I get sometimes I'll meet somebody who's way into that I'm like like.. What do you believe? I'm like dude I have a hard time believing my own thoughts most of the time let alone some really complicated explanation of how we got this result and somehow you've connected all these dots.

28:27.26

Dr_ Placebo

A.

28:34.74

mikebledsoe

That are this infinite amount of information and go I know who the bad actorress I'm like oh I don't fucking know but I I do know who to avoid though.

28:41.80

Dr_ Placebo

You know what? I think about all this I think that well when when I think about this sort of thing because I I try to use the scientific method which is not ah science tm it's the scientific method. Which is ah see guess test and record right? And if you're really being scientific about things. It really means you're using the scientific method and one of my favorite examples of abandoning the scientific method. Is by people who are atheists. This is a very very funny thing to me because in order to be an atheist the definition of an atheist. Is you believe there is no god certainly but what's funny is that is so far. Equally unproven as the fact is there are 1 or more gods now once again, it depends on your definition of god if you say god is something you believe without proof then there are ah you know certain gods available. Some people could say that money fiat money. Which is faith money is a type of god based on your semantic definition. But what's funny to me is that atheism is a religion of there is definitely no god meaning it is having faith that there is 0 gods.

30:16.86

Dr_ Placebo

And religion is a faith based on. There is 1 or more gods. But if you are truly scientific about it. They are both equally invalid because the burden of proof should be on the one who's trying to prove it. So to me atheism is the absolute funniest religion because it's just based on elitism of I'm too smart to believe in 1 or more gods. But I'm also but that's what I'm saying. It's ah it's a cult.

30:41.50

mikebledsoe

Well I think a lot of people just that they claim it because they don't want to appear stupid. Yeah.

30:50.28

Dr_ Placebo

Of I'm smart. It has no bearing on science whatsoever agnostic is perfectly reasonable but atheism is ah like super unscientific right? So just because no one has proven. There is 1 or more gods doesn't.

31:02.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

31:09.83

Dr_ Placebo

Mean that there is definitely no gods. So it's ah it's like the funniest tribalistic religion that claims to be scientific, but their proof that there is no god is just as scientific as the proof that there is 1 or more which is zilch. If we're talking about the scientific method and that's what's so funny to me. So it's that my favorite example is that atheism is a religion also with no proof and so like like it's it's great.

31:43.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's I think there's a ah Terrence Mckenna quote and he he says something. Ah I'm not gonna quote it exactly but basically take a a scientific based sciencebased atheist and.

31:44.77

Dr_ Placebo

You. Oh.

32:00.98

mikebledsoe

To explain how the world started and it's like look you just give me 1 single miracle and I can explain everything else and it's like oh yeah, so you kind of stuck there.

32:07.90

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

32:15.95

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, totally even the name is very funny. The big bang that it's like the least scientific ah label I've ever heard. There was a it. It sounds like a a fucking ah ah, primitive tribe.

32:21.47

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it's um.

32:33.90

Dr_ Placebo

Trying to explain lightning or the sun. First there was a big boom and then there was fire.

32:34.12

mikebledsoe

Well.

32:41.51

mikebledsoe

Um, as you're you're so spot on so well we got this new telescope out there supposedly I don't know what to believe anymore. Um, probably cgi. Well you you know about the new telescope they put out there that makes the hubble. It's like 20

32:49.88

Dr_ Placebo

I Think telescopes are awesome I Well I I I totally telescopes are cool telescopes and microscopes are.

32:58.47

mikebledsoe

I Forget how many more times more powerful than the hubble it is but.

33:06.81

Dr_ Placebo

Incredibly cool.

33:08.71

mikebledsoe

So cool. So um I guess that all these scientists are questioning themselves now they these astrolog astronomers now astrologists astronomers. Um.

33:19.35

Dr_ Placebo

K five.

33:25.48

mikebledsoe

They're questioning everything because they're looking out there and going oh is the universe contracting and they're doing their job. So but here's.

33:31.70

Dr_ Placebo

Wait They're questioning everything. Do you mean? they're doing science.

33:43.50

mikebledsoe

I Mean we've already talked about this the scientific community at large is primarily filled with institutional thinking you know and ah yeah, so like I think some of these scientists are having you know existential crises at this moment is what it sounds like.

33:45.82

Dr_ Placebo

Um, ah so it's a it's a little religion. It's a little religion. Yeah.

34:01.84

mikebledsoe

Because the the new findings put the big bang in question and now they're going. Well we got to find an answer and it's interesting how we as humans. It's like we need to have some type of ah there's this desire to to ah Certainty. It's like if you. If you're an atheist or you're a Christian or you're a muslim or whatever it is. There's a level of certainty that's being clung to and that creates ah safety. So if I can come in the room and I can create certainty in the room then people feel safe and they. Their nervous system calms down and.

34:42.51

Dr_ Placebo

That's why people make bomb shelters and and hide away bunkers. It's because there's a natural tendency to expand your sphere of control and um. So that that is a hunger that can never be totally filled because you're always going to find some new thing further as you project into the future. So. The only path is some acceptance right? But if you're a hardcore control freak and you must know and you must have certainty. Then there's no end to the certainty because then you'll be like okay, what about 10 years from now. Okay, what about 15 years from now. Okay, what about 50 years from now. Okay, what about my great-great-grandchildren how do I make sure that they survive to be 1000 years old and.

35:31.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well, it's interesting. You bring that up the so we think about certainty and we're we're talking about how the universe started people are desiring to have certainty around that so they either choose a religion that has a story about how it started or.

35:32.70

Dr_ Placebo

There's no end to it.

35:47.45

Dr_ Placebo

Um, how nice that they don't have any real problems.

35:51.22

mikebledsoe

Which which I I really like I really like ah yeah I like and I really like a lot of ah religious genesis stories because there's so many metaphors in these genesis stories around language and basically.

36:09.88

Dr_ Placebo

Um, in the beginning there was the word and the word was god.

36:09.99

mikebledsoe

Ah, the the exactly and so yeah and if you if you it's so easy I remember being a kid and hearing that and I go I don't know what the hell that means and. All right? So then he created Adam and then he created the mountains and the earth and oceans and all the ship in the the birds and the fishes and um, it's really like the way I read that now is it's um, it's a metaphor for consciousness.

36:28.41

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

36:42.33

mikebledsoe

Consciousness came online for human beings when language came online. Oh I now have a word for this and this word separates me from the from God the natural world and when when read that way. It makes a lot more sense to me. But when some.

36:45.15

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

36:57.72

Dr_ Placebo

To me God is the genesis of an idea like that's why they say ah you know the word is God and God is the word is that that's the genesis of an idea. So ah, interestingly enough by that logic God is in fact, real. It's just been made by man just like logic is real and it's also a God Basically an idea that's been invented by man. Yeah.

37:24.78

mikebledsoe

Well the well the idea the idea that um was it men don't have ideas ideas have men. Ah who that that's ah man was that voltaire not quite.

37:30.73

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

37:37.64

Dr_ Placebo

I think that was ah max shank who said that actually I'm just going to misattributing all these baller quotes from like many centuries ago and they'll be like wasn't that Plato I was like no that was me.

37:41.55

mikebledsoe

Um, so ah, the a did I I.

37:55.31

Dr_ Placebo

Because no one will no one will follow up very few people.

37:59.22

mikebledsoe

I love posting really like I'll come across a quote and I'll put it on Twitter and then one out of 10 times I was like you know that's normally attributed to Martin Luther King Junior however it was really said by so I'm like get the fuck out of here focus focus on the quote. Don't worry about where it came from.

38:12.43

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I used to be like that too I used to be totally. Ah well my favorite quote is what's more important the quote or the quoter and that's ah my quote which is fucking hilarious I think because does it really matter who said it and what's funny. Is it.

38:24.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh.

38:30.16

Dr_ Placebo

Does it does a lot of the time sometimes there's a great quote from like an unknown monk in ah, 1500 Bc or something like that or 500 a d or whatever and people are like oh that's really cool but that would be the easiest quote to poach.

38:49.00

mikebledsoe

Right? Like you know or you know the and Chinese proverb unknown um know yeah and you know that who you're quoting a context matters. So you know if it's a quote. Yeah, but.

38:52.78

Dr_ Placebo

Right? right.

39:01.32

Dr_ Placebo

The appeal to Authority That's God Also so God is the genesis of an idea. It's a word. It's a new idea and it's also um, that appeal to an authority. It's ah like a focal point.

39:11.28

mikebledsoe

Well are are you coming? Are you coming at this from the perspective that that people create thoughts or ideas.

39:23.61

Dr_ Placebo

Um, that's a good question I I believe that ah the thoughts that people have are a combination or permutation of what they have experienced. So. If you put a human being in a vacuum and just gave it food. It wouldn't learn. Ah how to speak it wouldn't learn language so it's just some sort of um. Synthesis or combination or permutation of everything that you are aware of and that's why the idea of having like the genesis of language at all is very interesting and there's a specificity of language. That occurs in many different animals like dolphins and orca have different languages or at least Orca have different languages based on the pod or the family that they're a part of ah green monkeys can lie and say look out. There's a hawk or and we don't know if it. It means hawk or if it just means danger from above but they have distinct calls for danger from above or danger from low below and what they'll do is they will lie. So like if you have a banana I'll say look out a hawk in green monkey language and you'll look out for the hawk and then I'll snatch your.

40:38.97

mikebledsoe

A.

40:51.33

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, your your banana right? So like it's literally the oldest trick in the book which is look over there while I Rob you so so language ah is I I think um the genesis of some ideas. But.

40:57.26

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so.

41:08.71

Dr_ Placebo

You know a polar bear may not have language but it can still plan a spider doesn't have language but it can still plan out an attack where it will like walk around and jump around until they're above their prey and then dangle themselves down mission Impossible style. So.

41:23.92

mikebledsoe

Well well the question I got to ask next is so are are you I find there's 2 camps. There's one camp which is the most popular camp which is. The the materialistic view which is ah consciousness is a byproduct of biology like the biology exists not is what makes consciousness possible or is our.

41:51.49

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

41:56.59

Dr_ Placebo

And.

41:57.93

mikebledsoe

Is physical matter a ah ah manifestation of consciousness.

42:05.38

Dr_ Placebo

Um, you know that's a I knew that's the question you were going to ask actually? um, ah fortunately I have the exact correct answer which is ah how could I know? Ah, it's like ah I.

42:15.78

mikebledsoe

Ooh.

42:21.20

Dr_ Placebo

I can think so does that mean I am so is it I think therefore I am or I am therefore I think basically so our sensory ah Organs influence the way we interpret the world.

42:28.17

mikebledsoe

Right.

42:40.26

Dr_ Placebo

as well as um the the influence of our surroundings like in Africa there's way more words for green because the distinction between different plants is a little more important different words for snow in the inuit tribes. Because that distinction is way more important for survival. Um, whether you are ah, an animal having ah an experience of consciousness or whether you are a consciousness who has called yourself an animal is sort of like a chicken or the egg type of situation. My. My personal perspective is that the I that I refer to as I is um, basically a fabrication of our culture so without these ideas of. Names and things like that you would just be an animal and all animals have some level of consciousness ah mushrooms have some level of consciousness. It's it's a different level of consciousness than a human being. But the fact that they can you know send information miles across a web of mycelium as soon as they figure out how to digest a certain type of material like the biggest living organism is actually a mycelium I think it's an Oregon.

44:11.64

Dr_ Placebo

And it's several square miles in size which is pretty cool and what'll happen is they'll encounter a material that they can't digest figure out a way to digest it and that information that signal will get sent all the way across the mycelium.

44:14.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

44:29.63

Dr_ Placebo

To the other side and then they'll start being able to digest that material whether that's like some sort of rocky mineral or ah or what have you? Ah so different animals and fungi have different levels of consciousness but ah just like the. Story of of God or no God or these gods or those gods. That's that's our invention.

44:57.47

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the um, the perspective I I tend to hold is consciousness creates. There's when I when I went through the hermetic principles. The first principle is that everything is of mind and ah. The idea is that ah everything everything occurs in the mind first and when I when I'm holding that perspective I I find that to be the most useful I don't know which one is true and.

45:31.88

Dr_ Placebo

And.

45:34.10

mikebledsoe

Like you had said, there's no way to know. Um, you know I I think some people have had some experiences that would have them really believe one way or another for me personally I find it to be more useful to ah to be of the. Belief that consciousness is creating everything it to me. It makes everything a little more malleable and if I believe that anything could be changed through thought. Ah then.

46:10.40

mikebledsoe

Then that that seems much more powerful to me and.

46:14.32

Dr_ Placebo

There's a great book by Richard Bachman called illusions that I really like it kind of talks about that. How you you know like ah the only reason you can't swim through the earth and stand on the water is because of your belief in the illusion.

46:18.25

mikebledsoe

I've read that? yeah.

46:30.80

mikebledsoe

Well here's the thing is okay so I the way I see is you don't have a separate mind that I have there's one mind we all share it. You just have different you just you just? yes, you just.

46:30.87

Dr_ Placebo

That it can only work a certain way.

46:42.87

Dr_ Placebo

For humans humans only so one species has one hive mind. Basically yeah.

46:52.15

mikebledsoe

Yeah, we have a certain filter. Um, you know what? I'm gonna have to sit with that one I'm gonna go back and sit with that that question ah because they animals just may have the filter. So the way I see is we share the same mind Consciousness is expanding.

46:59.74

Dr_ Placebo

And.

47:09.81

mikebledsoe

Um, the universe is doing its thing and um may Ornet may not be expanding I'm sure it goes through expansions and contractions just like everything else. Another hermetic print principle being as above so below and.

47:21.46

Dr_ Placebo

How could we measure.

47:27.20

mikebledsoe

We can measure it to a point. But yeah, once you get out there. It's not going to happen. Ah so ah, we all have like this super mind and this is why a lot of the same ideas occur to people around the planet simultaneously or they've done studies with rats where. They're teaching them something in a lab in France and then a lab in Alaska they see those rats be able to solve whatever puzzle that was taught to the rats in France and so you know there they never so met they stayed in those locations. There was no.

47:53.45

Dr_ Placebo

M.

48:03.33

mikebledsoe

No communication between the two that we we would know about and yet they still do that So there. There are some I don't of I would call it ah evidence for it. But there's definitely correlative evidence for that argument and so I really like to think about it as like. These aren't even my thoughts I'm not these are thoughts that are flowing through me and my filter is allowing me to have you know certain thoughts where I'm allowing those thoughts to come and go and so I become a lot less attached to like this is even mine I get a conversation with someone we're having where brainstorming. It's like. This isn't really my thought it's not your thought it's you know it's this is just a thing that's happening right Now. So I like the thing about it like that and I find that to be ah the most useful there's another point I was going? yeah.

48:49.32

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

48:57.34

Dr_ Placebo

It makes you sound pretty cool Either way I but I think so ah yeah, it's like ah I I don't think you're using it that way. But it's funny because it's kind of like.

49:01.28

mikebledsoe

Does it perfect. That's what I was going for I mean that's the real use utility here.

49:14.95

Dr_ Placebo

Kind of like the coolness factor is apathy. So the super enlightened factor is it's not about me man. It's just about you know the collective. Whatever's going I'm just a conduit I'm just a channel for what's happening now there there is no me man and you're like fuck that guy sounds really cool.

49:25.33

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

49:33.24

Dr_ Placebo

And then what ends up happening is the guy's like fuck. Maybe I am really cool and then it it comes like crashing down and I've experienced that personally a few times myself where I'm like oh man I'm really just like you know I'm I am I'm in it. It's not. There's no me I'm just like.

49:40.90

mikebledsoe

Um, be.

49:52.95

Dr_ Placebo

It's all happening right now and I'm a big part of it and then I go fuck I think I must be pretty enlightened and then just fucking back to the basement like shoots and ladders all the way back to level 1

49:58.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the the prop the problem is when you get credit for it. That's that's when it happens someone else gives you credit you give yourself credit and then yeah, then it all just falls at pieces.

50:06.65

Dr_ Placebo

Well, that's what.

50:14.14

Dr_ Placebo

Well and that's also like the the bane of the guru like I was talking um talking with my buddy Brian this morning. Um I know I was well I was talking to him. But yesterday I was talking to ah another gal who works with me Victoria and she got me this lovely book. Ah, that I haven't read yet. Just got it for me wrote a really nice note in it. Ah and I was like oh man, that's so nice and it's by brene brown and brene brown is one of those people who if you're a lady you have to think she's awesome and. I think she is I think she's got a ton of really good ideas. But I think um as you embody the guru more and more you have to create more stuff so you have to muddy the waters a little bit otherwise you sound like what people call a broken record. So what I notice. Is that someone will have a few fantastic idea and I don't know I haven't read the book. It could be like life changing best book I've ever read. But if a pert.

51:18.31

mikebledsoe

Rene Brown is good but to me falls into a similar categories Tony Robbins there's some good stuff in there. But if you dig further beyond the self-love conversation. She gets look. She's an expert in 1 thing and. And think she got lost in some other stuff.

51:35.24

Dr_ Placebo

So selling herself right? And that's what I'm talking about with guruism like you have people with good ideas like Jocko. Ah good ideas. But there's a hunger for more and people are like guru. Ah please tell tell me what. Tell me the truth illuminate the way and if the guru says I already did it fits on an index card like I'm done like go do the thing I said people are like I think I'll find a new guru and they're like wait a second I just thought of something in fact, in.

51:57.77

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

52:08.50

mikebledsoe

I got bills to pay. Ah.

52:11.00

Dr_ Placebo

In fact, it's even it's even better than what I taught you before. In fact, this secret I Just I just unveiled and you know so like the that's what I mean with like the bane of the guru is now you have embodied the guru. And I felt that happen to myself which is why I just fucking vanished off the face of the internet for several years and people are like what what totally totally man.

52:34.54

mikebledsoe

As you're as you're talking about this. Um I relate completely because I I kind of I fell off as well. Yeah, it was like it's like oh I got to keep making shit up. Ah life is actually pretty good. It's pretty simple, pretty straightforward.

52:45.86

Dr_ Placebo

I Wrote 200 plus articles about exercise I Taught 200 seminars all over the world I wrote all these books and video courses and they're excellent by the way like my latest couple primal athleticism and elasticity available on maxshank.com Are so good. They're They're really good. But also if you are having to keep pace with some sort of artificially imposed ah like guruism you're going to muddy the waters a little too much and that's. Um I don't know other than repeating yourself a lot if there is a way to avoid that because there's definitely a hunger and a thirst for knowledge and if you have embodied the characteristics or the character. The avatar of the guru. There's There's definitely a pressure to to make more of this this thing than there actually needs to be.

53:43.48

mikebledsoe

But me.

53:50.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well um, think of my friend Jesse Elder who's amazing. Love that guy and so inspired by his creativity and he tends to attract hit huh.

54:07.11

Dr_ Placebo

Here comes here. It comes. Ah.

54:07.94

mikebledsoe

But he had. He's very good at attracting a crowd and he's got that guru vibe goinglling on and the thing that impresses me with him is when I met him in 2014 he was just getting started on the like speaking gig thing.

54:12.97

Dr_ Placebo

So ah.

54:23.49

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

54:24.94

mikebledsoe

And what he was talking about then and what he's talking about now is very much the same but he's so good at creating new context and and weaving together stories to bring people in so like it's it's he he really has gotten it to some core truths and he's really good at.

54:38.74

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

54:44.85

mikebledsoe

Ah, communicating it. But what I'm most impressed with is is a ability to communicate those in a way that people can receive has continuously improved over the years and I love seeing you know I'll see him speak and then three months later seem to speak again and he's cleaned it up or he's tightened it up or he's.

55:02.41

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

55:04.37

mikebledsoe

Ah, or he's using a new analogy to get the point across like guy. He's like oh now he's nailing it now. He's nailing it. It's almost like watching you know a comic you know, develop a routine over a year yeah it's like the first show you're like yeah, it's a little clunky and then by the time they're on Netflix special. it's it's tight

55:09.85

Dr_ Placebo

Who hone their routine. It's magic.

55:24.50

mikebledsoe

So I think that there's I think there's ah that impresses me and I really like that. So there's that's somebody who does have he doesn't I don't think he tries to be a guru but he definitely has you know people people follow him like.

55:27.13

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

55:34.36

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

55:43.60

mikebledsoe

Cult Leader style.

55:43.21

Dr_ Placebo

And that's what will happen if you get better and better at transmitting ideas right? is you will You will attract a crowd and so it's like can you maintain that integrity without the crowd.

55:48.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

55:59.52

Dr_ Placebo

Transforming you into something different like I saw this great video the other day by this Youtube channel after school and it showed this ah transformation of this kid who was like a violin prodigy and then he turned into this guy who just. Eats tons of food like he challenges himself. So the guy gained like hundreds of pounds of fat. He oh dude. So it's like 1 of the most recent after school videos Skool and it goes through this like no one cared that he was ah.

56:22.31

mikebledsoe

What.

56:36.21

Dr_ Placebo

A Violin prodigy but he like ate a big meal once and people were like yeah we like that and so he he was transformed by by the audience because they were craving something else and he's like okay I'll I'll just be that right.

56:51.38

mikebledsoe

Or he's craving validation are you? Oh you're gonna validate me. Yeah, we want to be loved.

56:56.51

Dr_ Placebo

Aren't we all We want to be Loved. We want. What do we want? um attention power Love mostly we want Love if we can't get Love. We'll settle for power if we can't get Power. We'll settle for attention and if you ah aren't getting the attention you want. And then you do something and suddenly you are oh look out that's temptation big time like I used to get ah like high fives and praise and people would even applaud if I could drink the most poison in college like if I could drink a ah. An alcoholic beverage Really fast. So before I knew what was going on I'm taking like 4 lokos and shotgunning them before ten a M because everyone's like Wow What a what a tough cool guy you are and I I Really liked that positive feedback. So yeah, it's.. It's easy to see why people go down certain paths because these ah these base desires for love power attention ah are almost impossible to avoid.

58:10.55

mikebledsoe

Well that that makes me think about my my fitness career and I remember I was I was fifteen years I was like well I had like um.

58:15.49

Dr_ Placebo

Me too I talk about that all the time.

58:24.23

mikebledsoe

I didn't feel like I was getting love. So yeah, maybe it was attention but the what ended up happening is I remember I couldn't I couldn't wait till my fifteenth birthday because on my fifteenth birthday I was allowed to go to the gym and lift weights because my parents didn't want me to stunt my growth and which we know is all bullshit now. But.

58:39.13

Dr_ Placebo

But depends on depends on the level I think if you do gymnastics from age 5 You're probably going to grow less.

58:43.77

mikebledsoe

Like a lot mom.

58:50.42

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, so ah, as soon as I turned 15 I started working out all the time. My dad worked construction. He saw that I was basically burning a lot of energy unnecessarily you know wasn't.

58:54.93

Dr_ Placebo

O who. What right? right? o.

59:06.26

mikebledsoe

And wasn't making any money. Ah, he's used to like yeah pick up heavy shit and walk around and you know we make money when we do it. We're we're being of service and and my perception of how he viewed what I was doing was ah that it was just a ah superficial. Ah, frivolous pursuit and he was like he's like you're never going to make any money. Ah, you're never going to make any money working out and I remember thinking I was like I'll fucking show. You.

59:27.30

Dr_ Placebo

Frivolous.

59:36.94

Dr_ Placebo

Um, I'll show you dad I'll show you? um oh my God are those like the famous last words I'll show them I'll show all of them.

59:45.80

mikebledsoe

Um, and that's what you want to make yourself miserable live like that. So and there were what will ended up happening is I ended up proving him wrong. Um.

59:54.71

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, bro.

59:58.53

Dr_ Placebo

And.

01:00:01.65

mikebledsoe

And but it's not like I only got paid to work out sometimes I was getting paid to work out but I was getting paid for a bunch of other shit too And um, no, that's not true when I was in the Navy I got paid to work out.

01:00:06.44

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, dude, you never got paid to work out though you got paid to like run a company built around people working out you.

01:00:22.13

Dr_ Placebo

That's ah like you got paid extra. You didn't get paid to work out motherfucker you got paid to be in the Navy bitch. Basically what I'm saying is your dad was right.

01:00:23.50

mikebledsoe

No, no, no I mean it was it was.

01:00:32.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, well I'll tell you there there is that I was I was.

01:00:38.20

Dr_ Placebo

Your dad was right? That's all I'm saying.

01:00:41.75

mikebledsoe

I do remember I was I was nineteen years old I was in I was in coronado I'm running on the beach with a group of guys and all we're doing is you know, swimming running and managing being cold as fuck and that was it and I was like I was like.

01:00:48.10

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:01:01.79

mikebledsoe

Fucking Did it I'm getting paid to work out and you know it was very short lived Um, because.

01:01:02.41

Dr_ Placebo

And also not true. You were basically paid to be a weapon and your exercising was like greasing the barrel and the parts basically like.

01:01:14.92

mikebledsoe

Um, you are 100% accurate about that. Yeah I was ah you know, ah, it's so funny like people are like wow thank you know you're a veteran. Oh thank you I'm like um I'm like I'm like as I got duped you know like I got.

01:01:25.35

Dr_ Placebo

Thank you for your service.

01:01:35.14

mikebledsoe

Like you're like congratulating me for being a ah for getting duped I appreciate it. Yeah I went and basically worked for the the biggest gangsters on the planet. So cool you know? ah I was muscle for the biggest gangsters on the planet for.

01:01:47.53

Dr_ Placebo

Um, hey if you're gonna be in a gang be in the toughest one. It's still like. Ah.

01:01:51.85

mikebledsoe

Ah, through a period of time being the biggest baddest toughest one and I was so so eat it.

01:01:59.91

Dr_ Placebo

It's still the great. It's It's still the great pirates. It's the same shit is still ah the great pirates who has the fastest boats who has the best range. It's ah hilarious. How true that is.

01:02:02.28

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:02:08.18

mikebledsoe

Totally yeah so it's funny because a number of years ago. Not that long ago I remember I had that memory I go I go oh my god this is about five years ago I was like oh my god is my entire. Fucking career built around that moment where I was going to prove my dad wrong. do I do I really like working out. Ah do I like talking about fitness do I really like these things and the reality is is yeah I do love health and fitness and I i. Find time in the gym almost every day and I enjoy myself in there. It's one way I show myself love and it doesn't play nearly the role it used to There's so many other interests that get play time and then in addition to that i. I'm showing myself love by taking care of my body but I'm not working out for any type of validation from other people anymore. So it's it's caused me to be in a much better spot and dude I probably make less money because I I seek less validation.

01:03:08.31

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I get it.

01:03:21.22

mikebledsoe

Ah, if I if I was one of those people I I listen like no like no the Alex warmosi was talking about this in a video. He's basically saying like insecurity is what you need to be a you know 100 millionaire I'm like you might be right because i.

01:03:22.39

Dr_ Placebo

You don't have the same motivation to like you don't care like so value.

01:03:38.94

mikebledsoe

Have very few insecurities these days and the necessity that.

01:03:42.22

Dr_ Placebo

If you don't feel secure if you don't feel secure with $50000000 then a hundred isn't going to make you feel secure. You know what I'm saying like that that's sort of like what I'm talking about is like who's to say that what's right for you is right for me. It's like why? ah like Gary Vaynerchuk

01:03:51.67

mikebledsoe

Um, a.

01:03:59.16

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:04:00.33

Dr_ Placebo

Gary Vee that fucking guy that guy to me is out of his god damn mind and he might have a few good ideas like let's not discount it. But.

01:04:08.94

mikebledsoe

Ah I'll say he's made improvements over the years his message five years ago versus today has as improved and from what I can see.

01:04:16.60

Dr_ Placebo

And that's cool, but like what we said is you know when we see other people we see through a window so we don't see the big. We don't see the whole thing that's going on and there is nothing to cloud our evaluation of it. When we look at ourselves we look into a mirror so we see basically the whole thing and we have our ego in the way. So that's why I say it's harder to look into a a mirror than it is to look through a window but of course that's because you don't see the big picture. You're more objective rather than subjective about the whole thing. But with um, you know these guys who assume this avatar you know they they embody this persona and you're almost caught in a loop where you're it's sort of a sunk cost fallacy you know Gary Vee I got to own the jets. Someday and look for him that might be exactly the right thing. So I don't want to say that that's a bad goal because it's his goal but it's not my goal like I would not trade ah playing tennis and hanging out with my dogs more often. Ah. To sacrifice maybe owning a sports team because to me that's like no extra value. You know what I'm saying so that idea of insecurity will lead you to a hundred million I mean maybe maybe not but like.

01:05:48.19

Dr_ Placebo

Why do you want that in the first place is it because you really believe in what you're doing is it because you feel like 10000000 just won't be good enough or 20 or or whatever I mean it's ah it's really a funny thing like how we fall into these patterns.

01:06:00.19

mikebledsoe

I I invested in a sports team once to look cool. Yeah yeah, and then the entire league went belly up like two months after I invested and I lost all my money.

01:06:06.17

Dr_ Placebo

Really nice.

01:06:16.55

mikebledsoe

That I what I felt cool for about three days and I I got like I got like 15 now I would say the highlight this is the highlight.

01:06:16.61

Dr_ Placebo

did you feel cool for two months though did you feel cool for two months though did you get any swag like like ah a hat.

01:06:35.50

mikebledsoe

Is what $60000 got me by the way is got me about 10 or 15 tickets at Madison square gardens in New York City ah some like front row shit and I got to like.

01:06:42.97

Dr_ Placebo

So.

01:06:48.19

mikebledsoe

All my all my northeast friends I called him up I was like meet me at Massison You know we're gonna meet at the bar Beforehand have some drinks go watch the teams compete. So like I had ownership in it. It was the grid league. It was that Crossfit Rip off.

01:06:56.30

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, what? what? sport.

01:07:05.34

Dr_ Placebo

Nice.

01:07:06.80

mikebledsoe

And which I think that sport still exists I actually prefer it over cross so there are things I actually prefer about it over Crossfit it definitely produces high power athletes that athletes were bigger and more skilled because it was not as much of an endurance sport.

01:07:14.51

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

01:07:22.56

Dr_ Placebo

And.

01:07:24.53

mikebledsoe

More of a power sport and um, and yeah I got tickets and I you know I got to be the cool guy I got to like call call up all the other fitness influencers that were in my world and we're all sitting together and dude we had a great time. We had a great time.

01:07:31.88

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yep.

01:07:38.75

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:43.47

mikebledsoe

It It definitely put me I had status and and I rode that high. Yeah I purchased status more than once and I.

01:07:46.44

Dr_ Placebo

You can bias status us. You can also sell status for money. It's a very funny. It's very funny how that works.

01:07:57.90

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, so ah, yeah, it was very short lived it went it went I went from like feeling like the coolest guy to um and I only owned a ah like three percent of the team. Ah I went from feeling like Mr Cool guy status but then like.

01:08:10.82

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

01:08:17.58

mikebledsoe

You know a month or 2 after that maybe a month after that the whole thing just came crashing down and then I felt like the most foolish guy like ah I'm foolish and the swings were big. The swings were big. Ah no more sports teams for me.

01:08:21.23

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:08:33.60

Dr_ Placebo

But you know that's also that's also been ah part of what has attracted you so much Wealth is because it's been a little bit easy. Come easy. Go right? You've been willing to bet.

01:08:47.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah I do have investments in 2 companies are looking to go public so that you know, um now I'm not going to now.

01:08:47.80

Dr_ Placebo

You've been willing to bet big and you've gotten paid out big and hey there you go can you can you reveal what they are. You don't have to you don't have to reveal the the brand specifically. But. Um, what sector is it like nutrition. Is. It.

01:09:07.52

mikebledsoe

Ah, um, one one nutrition and 1 um oh emotional wellbeing company technology into tech company.

01:09:21.47

Dr_ Placebo

So like software as a service kind of thing. Oh cool. That's awesome. You know that sounds a little bit more aligned with ah your values than ah purchasing a piece of a sports team.

01:09:23.47

mikebledsoe

No, it's not software. It's it's hardware and software. Yeah, there's there's ah over over a dozen patents in there which is also nice.

01:09:38.95

Dr_ Placebo

For a sport that no one cares about that's good. That's good. That's good man. That's very that's awesome.

01:09:41.80

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, you yeah much more aligned. Yeah, it's exciting and the products are solid. So I write I Really love it.. That's the things like man. Ah you know you for me. And we've talked about investments before I Really like to invest in things that I find exciting and I believe in and products that I would use or do use and um, and yeah, it just it's not nearly as much of a stable way of investing but you know.

01:10:00.32

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:10:10.95

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

01:10:13.97

mikebledsoe

I've had some wins some losses. But overall I'm up So I call it good.

01:10:19.28

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, my my investing strategy is to um, make sure there's some stuff that I don't touch that's professionally managed in a really cautious way and then I can be like a freewheeling ah gambler with the rest and just ah, you know.

01:10:27.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:10:32.71

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean that's.

01:10:37.49

Dr_ Placebo

I'll like I'll like pay an engineer to design something for me and ah so far that just has always gone to 0 But the fact of the matter is but but that's my whole point is like you know cost benefit and risk assessment is like if you're going to invest in something that can go all the way to 0

01:10:49.88

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah.

01:10:56.92

Dr_ Placebo

Should be something that can one hundred or one thousand or ten Thousand x in return and as long as you don't put all your eggs in that basket. You're going to still be okay now granted, that's not right for everybody like I read Richard Branson's book and it fucking almost gave me stomach ulcers. He's like.

01:11:05.81

mikebledsoe

Now.

01:11:16.77

Dr_ Placebo

He's like so things I mean he'd already mortgaged his house and his boat several times and bankrupt several times and then finally finally virgin music is this international company. They got tons of amazing artists. They got a huge library. Things are going well and he's like I think I'm going to start an airline and in order to do that. He had to borrow against this successful business to buy like airplanes and engines his fucking dude his board members were like threatening to.

01:11:41.58

mikebledsoe

Did had like break at break. So many rules you never borrow against a company to fund another company.

01:11:52.50

Dr_ Placebo

His board members wanted to kill him. They're like why are you doing this. He's like I need 50000000 for a fucking engine. We hit a bird you hit a bird on our first flight and we owe 100000000 to the bank of England already and I'm just watching. Um.

01:11:57.31

mikebledsoe

Ah.

01:12:09.70

Dr_ Placebo

I'm watching this I'm like this guy is risking his entire life and what's crazy is there's this survivorship Bias which is another one of those cognitive biases. There are a lot of people who make choices like that and then they fucking go broke and it's game over but the ones who.

01:12:15.95

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:12:25.91

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, survive are the only ones that we hear about of course not of course not.

01:12:28.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, but going broke isn't doesn't mean it's over. You know it's I mean I think was it. Ah you know whatever you think about Trump that guy has been you know filed bankruptcy I think ah 2 or 3 times for and maybe not him personally but businesses.

01:12:44.37

Dr_ Placebo

Dude you you know what? this is actually one of my favorite stories because um, he owed I think he owed like over a billion dollars and was like bankrupt right? And so.

01:12:45.69

mikebledsoe

So like that's it. Okay.

01:12:58.38

mikebledsoe

It's so crazy.

01:13:01.43

Dr_ Placebo

What's interesting is people who hated him would bring that up as like a bad thing like oh he can't he can't manage his company look. He's a failed businessman and I was like but the rest of the story is that he paid it all back eventually.

01:13:11.53

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:13:17.59

mikebledsoe

Oh.

01:13:19.72

Dr_ Placebo

Like that's what's so crazy like once again, love them or hate him that guy is a character and a half. He's definitely got some negative traits that I personally can't stand and he's got some traits that I find extremely admirable to like face total obliteration and then. Come back out of it is a really admirable quality and if you get too ah enveloped in your hatred for someone you won't recognize the positive things. So I Thought the fact that people I thought I thought the.

01:13:48.57

mikebledsoe

You lack learning at that point.

01:13:53.94

Dr_ Placebo

Fact that people saw that as a negative when actually that's probably the biggest positive is that he faced that total failure. Super bankruptcy I don't know if there's a word for us just like so much and then he's like I'm gonna. I'm going to pay it all back I'm going to come back out of this and I'm going to work and pay it all back and that is ah to me that's way more of a positive than a negative.

01:14:19.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy I didn't know that part of the story only heard the headlines interesting. Let's ah I don't really pay attention that shit. Um.

01:14:26.56

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, wait what weird? Well what was what was the topic today by the way I think it was how's your week one.

01:14:35.71

mikebledsoe

But what was a topic. Yeah, that's how we started I was thinking about idling this show. Love power attention. Yeah yeah, dig it.

01:14:44.59

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I mean that's it right? Yeah I like it I think it's good to evaluate where you are trying to get love from beware of guruism. Ah, both ways. If. There's a guru that you hate but he says some things that you need to hear you should probably ignore your hatred for him and ah accept what's really useful and if you ah idolize someone you might not be as discerning. And what is actually going on there right.

01:15:18.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and I want to remind everybody is beware of who you're modeling and who you're anti-modeling and use your critical thinking skills to be able differentiate between the the traits that somebody has versus.

01:15:27.51

Dr_ Placebo

E.

01:15:36.80

mikebledsoe

Their entire being and be able to extract out what's useful for you and what you want to have for yourself and what you want to not have for yourself and make sure to go over to macshank.com purchase. Ah those books and digital products and I can guarantee. It's good stuff. I've I've trained with max a bit I always learned something new that gets me thinking for weeks and weeks afterwards sometimes months. Even so yeah, you showed.

01:16:05.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh that's very exciting. It's very nice of you to say Mike I actually just had ah ah the first member of the gym come back in town for a visit he lives in Indiana now and he started training with me thirteen years ago when I started the gym.

01:16:14.15

mikebledsoe

Thank you.

01:16:20.70

Dr_ Placebo

And he took a class with me and he's like wow that was so different that was amazing and I was like god I hope so I hope I have some different ideas from thirteen years ago it's definitely ah it's been it's been such journey man and there there is probably there are probably few industries.

01:16:30.57

mikebledsoe

Ah.

01:16:38.96

Dr_ Placebo

More mentally ill than the fitness industry. It's so much about how things appear to be rather than the way things are so ah, thank you guys for listening. Thank you Mike check out Mike Underscore bled so as he.

01:16:41.38

mikebledsoe

I am okay.

01:16:54.90

Dr_ Placebo

Makes his Instagram farewell to farewell to her before going on to other things I think.

01:16:59.67

mikebledsoe

Dude I'm I'm I'm close I'm getting there. There is another platform.

01:17:04.58

Dr_ Placebo

For so for all of you following Mike if all for all of you following Mike Ah just switch over to at ma shank instead I'm like I'm like a vulture like.

01:17:12.61

mikebledsoe

Um, will the ah there's ah pick up the dead pieces.

01:17:20.00

Dr_ Placebo

I'm just circling around the giant carcass of Mike Bloodso Fit guru

01:17:26.76

mikebledsoe

Ah, fuck. Yeah I am looking at a new platform that we may be able to host this podcast on and some other things so be on a lookout for that And yeah, yeah, a buddy of mine. He's he launched it.

01:17:38.17

Dr_ Placebo

That's exciting.

01:17:43.82

mikebledsoe

And I haven't talked to him in years and I got the phone with him yesterday and was like oh shit this is legit. So um, people are problem solving problems. Ah, and yeah, if you want check out me my my stuff you know like max said Instagram account but also you can head over to thestrongcoach.com

01:17:47.90

Dr_ Placebo

Oh no.

01:18:03.30

mikebledsoe

Got some ah cool products and services over there and a summit coming up in November later y'all love you max.

01:18:08.76

Dr_ Placebo

Later y'all love you.

Sep 2, 2022

Today I’m talking with Allison Pelot, the author of Finally Thriving, on the difference between surviving and thriving.

 

Don’t miss the boat. Give it a listen.

Aug 29, 2022

00:01.66

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's been. Ah, it's been a week connected so took last week off and we're doing this a little late this week. So I'm sure we've got plenty of catching up to do.

00:09.20

Dr_ Placebo

It feels weird to not talk to you for this long it. It's a part of my way of life now I mean now the only constant in my life is the puppy schedule which I am now strictly adhering to.

00:15.30

mikebledsoe

It's it's strange. Yeah.

00:28.90

Dr_ Placebo

And.

00:30.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, how's that ah I've heard I remember Tim Ferriss was writing about getting a dog and how that was created like a new level of discipline and grounding in his life. Are you experiencing something similar.

00:36.28

Dr_ Placebo

But.

00:43.14

Dr_ Placebo

Totally I was even talking to um, an inventor friend of mine at the gym the other day and we were. We're talking about history and fighter pilots and things like that and how a lot of them say that basic training was the worst thing ever. Ah, during it but the best thing ever Afterward long term and I could describe my my whole life as trying to free myself from any obligation and any schedule whatsoever and what's funny is that I.

01:03.38

mikebledsoe

Wow.

01:19.83

Dr_ Placebo

I did I was able to do that I basically freed myself of ah, any obligation. Ah, and you know that's when you can get real weird right? But it's ah.

01:31.82

mikebledsoe

Been there? Yeah, ah.

01:35.80

Dr_ Placebo

But with puppies if if you try to freewheel like that They'll just destroy your life I mean the life I had already is gone. No question. Whatever I was doing before.. It's like a distant memory.. It's so interesting How this has become an all. Consuming thing So fast.

01:56.85

mikebledsoe

All right I Want to see these puppies so you got to send me some I'll throw it up in the blog by the way. Um I I'm gonna start having these ah these are gonna be. We're gonna have full blog write ups for the show.

02:02.50

Dr_ Placebo

I.

02:14.16

mikebledsoe

Ah, they're gonna be posted I'll have a substack up soon that they're going to be going on and people will get emails with a summary and a little little email about the show whenever it pops out every Monday and then the blog will have a written summary.

02:14.55

Dr_ Placebo

Rad.

02:29.61

Dr_ Placebo

Wow, That's pretty exciting.

02:31.32

mikebledsoe

We should be able to just click to from the emails. So if yeah, if y'all were wondering you know when we were gonna turn pro. it's it's happening you know what's really interesting is I remember with barbell shrugged episode 42 was a pivotal show for us. We'd learned something on that show like and we were trying to improve the craft of podcasting and I remember it was episodes 42 through 45 was us going through this transformation and immediately people. Started messaging us saying I don't know what you guys did but whatever you're doing keep it up the show the show that you know is like episode 42 was the best episode 43 44 or 45 you're like oh this is just the new normal. And yeah, so we're on episode 43 of the Monday morning podcast and ah yeah I feel like we're hitting a ah stride with that as well.

03:38.84

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I like the vibe that we've cultivated here. It's really serious topics I mean arguably some of the most serious topics imaginable. It's like ah death and kinks. And entrepreneurship and relationships. But the we're pretty chill about it. It's like serious topics with a ah relaxed vibe.

04:02.13

mikebledsoe

Well I think a lot of people avoid these topics because they don't they whenever it was brought up in the past for them. They didn't have a level of levity that was part of the conversation if we can lighten it up a little bit makes it way easier to consume. So yeah I think.

04:12.27

Dr_ Placebo

1

04:22.20

mikebledsoe

Enough about enough about us just tooting our horns. Even though we have a lot of horns that too. Ah I think that? Ah yeah I want to fill you on what I did last week you know I got so I got stuck in maui for 2 days and hi now.

04:31.39

Dr_ Placebo

Lay it on me, you poor you poor dear.

04:41.37

mikebledsoe

I I remember I remember having it was kind of like the it's like the first time I was ever used by a woman for my body. You know I had this moment of like oh my god you just wanted me for my body I feel so dirty. And about 2 seconds later I was like oh my god she wanted me for my body I was like yes so maui similar similar situation I go oh oh bummer I'm missing my flight I'm like well I'm in Maui I'll go to the beach.

05:16.66

Dr_ Placebo

So you missed your flight on purpose. Ah.

05:19.40

mikebledsoe

No, no, absolutely not no I um I spent a week in molakai which is ah ah, an island with a population of 7000 people and 22000 axis year. So I was hunting out there which was just. The most fun I've ever had hunting it. It was so cool. Definitely going back fact I'll probably go back and I'll invite people to come with me as I so I typically do and yeah, you do.

05:47.37

Dr_ Placebo

So you can get a free ride I know you're game blood. So like he's like I love this thing gosh if I just invite like 10 of my friends I can do it for free and if I invite 20 then I have a new career.

06:00.82

mikebledsoe

Not not not only not only not only do I get to go for free I might get paid and even if I don't tax write offs baby like I'm going to be applying for my Ffl license like all my guns should be tax write offs.

06:12.45

Dr_ Placebo

Boom.

06:20.35

mikebledsoe

Organize a couple of hunts. It's a business to business.

06:23.51

Dr_ Placebo

And you know what? it's actually ah we're joking about but it's super authentic and that's one of the things I like about you is you? You are that firestarter you get excited about something and then you get other people excited about it I've seen it happen. Many times throughout the years that I've known you so it's.

06:43.10

mikebledsoe

Um, sometimes I regret it I'm like oh man I Really kind of screwed that person up but and you know who you are. You're listening out there.

06:46.65

Dr_ Placebo

Well.

06:56.10

mikebledsoe

Ah, ah.

06:56.40

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, so so what do you use? Did you ah hunt them with a knife Ninja stars spear I would love to go spear hunting I feel like that would just be super gangster like a pointy stick.

07:02.30

mikebledsoe

You know, um, are you not not for deer but you can do that for hog I know there's a place in Arkansas basically where you can hunt hog with a spear and they use ah they use pit bulls they put like kevlar jackets on these pits and then basically you chase the hogs down the the dogs get a hold of it and while the dogs are holding it you you you stick the pig so that's.

07:26.61

Dr_ Placebo

Um, amazing.

07:32.35

Dr_ Placebo

That's ah, got to be a very visceral feeling if you'll excuse the pun.

07:37.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, um, so that's a possibility. But yeah, what what we did was ah I was shooting a rifle. He's a rifle I have a I have ah a savage ah savage one Ten ultralight.

07:43.53

Dr_ Placebo

22 I'm guessing

07:53.87

mikebledsoe

Ah shoots a six five creed more which is a much faster round than what most hunting rifles are firing like it's a newer round There's there's some others that are faster but this is one of those ah speed matters because the amount that that round will drop. Or how much it'll be impacted by wind actually gets reduced a bit so there's fewer adjustments that have to be made when you're shooting really far. But um, exactly exactly.

08:21.93

Dr_ Placebo

There's less time for it to fall along the same amount of distance if if it's going faster. It's like a laser pointer hardly falls at all.

08:30.82

mikebledsoe

ah hardly but ah yeah so we're out there hunting I got to got to kill early in the the week spent a lot of time just chilling. You know we were very living very primitive. Um I mean we weren't cooking over campfire. But we it was pretty close. You know a shitting outdoors sleeping on a one inch mat ah doors wide open but ah.

08:54.77

Dr_ Placebo

Well, it makes 2 of us shitting outdoors at a but mine was a plumbing emergency though. So me and the dogs were ah we were all using the yard.

09:05.12

mikebledsoe

Ah, ah I'm sure the neighbors love that the it's like whoa. What's that smell.

09:12.83

Dr_ Placebo

That's the least of their worries with what I do in my backyard.

09:18.24

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so I I finished the hunt have a great time. Got to connect with some guys. Um Ben Greenfield was on the hunt with me in fact, him and his 2 boys and yeah, just a beautiful time and yeah I go to you know I leave.

09:26.93

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

09:35.60

mikebledsoe

Molokai that island I hop on maui to to get on my plane to come home and the flight gets canceled so I find a hotel and then I go back to the airport the next morning and I get on the plane and then they cancel that flight or they delay that flight an hour and they. Delay that flight by an hour about 5 times so I'm just yeah I'm just hanging out the airport you know twiddling my thumbs and ah, finally like they're like oh we'll put you on a flight for tonight.

09:55.21

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

10:09.23

mikebledsoe

So come back in 5 hours I'm like all right I went back to the beach and while I'm at the beach I check my phone and they're like oh your flight for tonight got delayed till tomorrow morning. So I I went from like booking a flight where I was gonna catch a red eye on this nice first class.

10:19.90

Dr_ Placebo

Wow man.

10:28.28

mikebledsoe

Seat and I was going to be able to sleep on the way home and I was gonna be home in like 12 hours to it being like a 24 hour you know added an extra stop in there just to get me home and basically showed up home two days late. Ah my fiance was not happy about that.

10:39.59

Dr_ Placebo

Oof.

10:46.79

mikebledsoe

And then ah yeah, just just now recovering so basically lost the night of sleep. You know.

10:55.48

Dr_ Placebo

Sweet. So did you bring back? some meat did you? ah you you brought your own rifle with you. So I'm guessing you checked that and that was no big deal ah is really interesting.

11:05.45

mikebledsoe

No big deal. Dude after after fly I've never flown with a gun before but after going through the process I realized you could pretty much ship any gun anywhere you want inside the us like they don't They're not really paying that much attention to it honestly. So.

11:21.14

Dr_ Placebo

I Think it has to do with the volume right? I mean there's just so many packages going every which way but that's got to be an odd feeling because you I'm sure you walk into the airport with a rifle right? like.

11:28.79

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

11:36.11

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I walk in I check in and then I go I got to go up to like the special baggage place and I go I've got ah I've got ah a gun in here and like oh okay, well here's a special form you know which is basically almost nothing sign it.

11:39.40

Dr_ Placebo

That's funny. Yeah, yeah.

11:51.79

mikebledsoe

Walk it over to a special Tsa section. They take it and then I see it when I land and you know when I landed they didn't even um, ah one of the trips that didn't look get my Id when I picked up my rifle I'm like so anyone could have just walked up and grabbed this. It's like there's a very interesting. Thing going on here.

12:11.40

Dr_ Placebo

I'm so you know I don't know how much that happens but I I only check a bag under duress like I don't check bags when I fly the bag stays with me because I see that I see the carousel with all the bags everywhere.

12:20.25

mikebledsoe

Yeah I try to do that.

12:28.36

Dr_ Placebo

And I'm like how do people not just pick up bags all the time like if I was ah a crooked thief. That's the only place I would go I would just go to Airports grab a random bag off the carousel slap ah a funny ah extra tag onto it. So It looks like it's immediately mine keep like a little pink scarf up my sleeve throw throw the pink scarf on the bag people would never think that's that there'd be oh that guy has the same bag as me, but with a pink scarf on it and you see these bags just making laps around there. You're like how. How did they not get stolen all the time.

13:06.64

mikebledsoe

Well with with my my flight being delayed like it was I Ah, my bags arrived a whole day before me. So I'm like all right I got a rifle that's arriving at airport a whole day before me. Hopefully it's there when I get there and it was It was fun.

13:11.78

Dr_ Placebo

This is something.

13:19.44

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, hopefully no one picks it up.

13:23.91

mikebledsoe

But um, yeah, the meat's being shipped to me they I almost I had to fly in with a cooler because the island is too primitive to carry enough coolers. You're not going to go into like the local hardware store and grab there's 8 of us hunting 8 coolers. It's not going to happen. So um, ah.

13:38.17

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

13:42.20

mikebledsoe

I Opted to instead of carrying it back which I could have I just said hey ship it I'll pay for it and thank God I did because that meat would have not done well over two days of just being in a cooler. Um, but on the spot we did eat Raw heart So we made like a heart seviche so it technically wasn't a heart raw because it was.

13:43.36

Dr_ Placebo

Meaning.

13:52.10

Dr_ Placebo

If.

14:01.28

Dr_ Placebo

Acid cooked.

14:02.50

mikebledsoe

Had some ah yeah, acid cooked a bit but had some raw liver. We killed that week and ah I got to drink amniotic fluid. So one of the deer had been pregnant and we were able to get the amniotic sack.

14:21.46

mikebledsoe

Puncture a hole in it fill a cup I drink that I tell you what the rest of my day I was I was on point hump and yeah, just running around hump and deer. Ah yeah, it was interesting I mean basically like drinking stem cells.

14:28.75

Dr_ Placebo

Humping deer.

14:33.70

Dr_ Placebo

Just as I let you're sprouting hooves. Maybe you'll get antlers wouldn't that be a trip I'm not going to read too much into why? That's the case but that's a cool.

14:40.90

mikebledsoe

Oh I think I think Ashley would be ended at the antlers. Yeah.

14:52.80

Dr_ Placebo

Cool thing I bet we can already do that I bet we already have the possibility to do weird shit like that like they grew a human ear on a mouse like twenty fucking years ago so I would not be surprised if they could grow you a set of antlers if you really wanted to.

14:54.10

mikebledsoe

Ah, so yeah, that was the.

15:11.59

Dr_ Placebo

Personally I'm waiting for the ah Elephant Trunk ah surgery where I can get an elephant trunk like maybe in the middle of the chest or something how useful would that be super sensitive I could drink out of it hold.

15:22.34

mikebledsoe

Extremely You just pick off or just shit up I've always wanted an action arm. Yeah.

15:31.90

Dr_ Placebo

Hold liquids I can sniff with it I mean so crazy strong Never go to the gym again I just have this like absolute unit of a tentacle.

15:44.27

mikebledsoe

What we want to talk about today. What do we? What do we want to dig into.

15:51.83

Dr_ Placebo

I mean hunting is a cool thing. Um, gosh I mean with the dogs ah speaking of hunting right? like there are hunting buddies. You were even saying before how they. Throw the kevlar on the dogs for hog hunting which is pretty wild. Um man I I have an appointment with a dog trainer I think next week or something like that and I thought I was doing really badly. As ah as a dog owner I thought I was so behind thought I was just a total disaster apparently I'm like way ahead of the curve talking to this lady though but having 2 dogs that are siblings. Brother sister is way tougher because.

16:25.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

16:42.99

Dr_ Placebo

When you're trying to train them up. They're just you know, biting each other so you get 1 to listen to you and the other one just tackles the one who's listening so it's kind of a funny experience but I could do a whole show on the puppy lessons I've learned so far I started a puppy journal.

16:50.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

17:02.92

Dr_ Placebo

And I also realized that you know dogs don't have a prefrontal cortex but they're basically like people and I think we give ourselves way too much credit for.

17:12.32

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, um.

17:20.73

Dr_ Placebo

Like how clever we could be versus what creatures of ah routine and reward. We really are so you know me I like to ah synthesize things into a little ah easy to remember stuff. So.

17:27.99

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

17:39.98

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, demonstration is greater than explanation is a good one that applies to both dogs and people and that's also the um, the heart of the the type of teaching I like to do it's like teaching without attachment. To the result of the student because it's a very heavy burden to I used to feel super obligated um to all my customers, especially all my subscribers because the reality is they absolutely um, like made my life I mean the amount of people who bought books and bought videos.

18:18.90

Dr_ Placebo

Um, super enriching both ways. So I felt this obligation like I gotta get them to do this thing. You know so I would explain the ever lovingving shit out of it instead of just being the example and doing the demonstration. It's the same with dogs course dogs don't speak English So An explanation is even more stupid but for a human I think um, same kind of idea is way better to set the example than to than to preach. Ah my opinion of course.

18:51.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah man Ah, just finished a book last week or so wanting is the name of the book and basically just talks about how we model you know by? everyone's just modeling someone else. The desires are modeled. You don't know.

19:05.69

Dr_ Placebo

That help.

19:09.20

mikebledsoe

You walk into a bar. You're not you don't want to have a drink but you walk in your friends got a Moscow Mule you're like ah man I need and know I wanted to have one of those but now I do I think that people really can resonate with that that you know there's like I'll have a i. I was at a restaurant a couple weeks ago and for a friend dinner. Everyone ordered drinks I wasn't going to order a drink now I've got a scotch in my hand so you know there's ah no man I can't be the weirdo. Yeah.

19:38.60

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, baby, you don't want to get kicked out of the tribe dude pour me a drink too. That's that's the that's the toughest 1 right is to be exiled out of the group um in a lot of cultures that was. Way worse than death I mean it meant death but a slow suffering dishonorable death. You know your family. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's it's a public shaming that leads to a slow death versus.

19:58.35

mikebledsoe

Well, you got like death and shame stack together like the you didn't die for a good reason. He he died because you meant you're an asshole.

20:14.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, like a tribal respect and a quick death which you know one's way better.

20:17.97

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, not in battle. Um, yeah, say you you want to without your puppy Journal I also have my journal from the hunt. So I think we just go through our lessons.

20:27.18

Dr_ Placebo

You know if you give me a yeah Pauseit or you can ah keep everyone entertained and I'll go grab that.

20:34.52

mikebledsoe

I'll pause it real quick. Go get it so you want to go first. You want me to go first. We got we got puppies and hunting journals.

20:44.19

Dr_ Placebo

Puppies and hunting Journals I Love it. Let's ah, let's start with hunting.

20:50.53

mikebledsoe

Right? We'll go with hunting right? So um, we actually did a bit of like that the hunting trips I do with Manzel is is. Is a little different than most people first I'm not going to read it. It's very personal. maybe maybe I'll get the balls to ah, go out. Yeah well I I wrote ah I wrote a letter to the deer I was hunting.

21:14.62

Dr_ Placebo

Personal like sexual what kind of hunting were you doing out there.

21:23.54

Dr_ Placebo

Cool.

21:26.55

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, wrote a letter a love letter to the deer I was hunting. Um, um I had I had an insight over the week that I asked myself.

21:29.69

Dr_ Placebo

What else.

21:46.80

mikebledsoe

Where am I because everything slowed down I turned my phone off completely off grid and noticed I asked myself where am I seeking stimulation over solitude and you know really noticed around. 2 3 days in how I was really was it. It took me 2 3 days to for the mind to slow down and be on island time because we're hanging out with some people who are from molochi so these are these are like they're not from the city these are.

22:16.71

Dr_ Placebo

M.

22:23.35

mikebledsoe

These are Hawaiians that are like true true Hawaiian like they haven't been you know, westernized as much and I mean they have but like you know they they hold that Island time thing. Everything's super chill slow motion. Um, and you know for.

22:25.12

Dr_ Placebo

They're hunters.

22:36.52

Dr_ Placebo

Moon.

22:42.77

mikebledsoe

Ah, guy like myself who's going high speed a lot That's just a. It's a bit jarring but I I really started asking myself. You know where am I where am I yeah seeking stimulation. Yeah, ah yeah, so ah.

22:52.75

Dr_ Placebo

It's like pulling the e break pulling the emergency break at a hundred.

23:02.38

mikebledsoe

Yeah I really reflected on that and then I I noticed that I need to remove some things from my schedule. There's there's just too many commitments in the future So started moving some things around and some things that I previously.

23:05.65

Dr_ Placebo

O.

23:19.62

mikebledsoe

Couldn't didn't even consider could be removed or moved and I was able to do that. Um, yeah, actually my summit um I'm gonna move the dates of the summit supposed to happen.

23:24.57

Dr_ Placebo

Really anything. You'd like to share that's pretty cool.

23:36.68

mikebledsoe

Was supposed to happen next month. But I'm gonna move it to November and you know that's a lot. You know there's people who are looking forward to those specific dates. But I I feel as though it's it's if I wait any longer to make the the announcement but you know it would be a little. Too late for a lot of people. But I think we can do it a month out and be okay. Ah really really got to reflect on how I'm the ah I am the ah result of my ancestors choices. You know whether.

23:58.74

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

24:14.87

mikebledsoe

They be wise choices or or foolish choices every single choice since the beginning of of my lineage has really created this result that I'm right now and I'm I'm the 1 choosing moving forward, but really, um.

24:17.14

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

24:33.16

mikebledsoe

Recognizing that a lot of things that got me to where I am was actually foolish choices I think a lot of times people think about their ancestry. You're like oh there's so much wisdom there I was like there's a bunch of idiots in there too and and what what? what am I What am I making sure. Ah.

24:50.68

Dr_ Placebo

Um, just ah, just a long line of Horny retards. Um.

24:53.96

mikebledsoe

Yeah, was like is like okay like I need to be intentional about what I'm carrying forward because not everything. Not everything is Good. You know and how am I am I carrying those those lessons and how do I Harvest The wisdom From. My lineage without carrying on all the the the Foolishness. Ah.

25:20.54

Dr_ Placebo

Man Ah, you're talking about ah many many multiple generations but even just the immediate ancestors the parents That's ah that's a really big deal is ah you know I worked with so many people coaching wise and you know I don't want to.

25:30.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

25:38.43

Dr_ Placebo

Be, the guy who's laying everybody down on the psychiatrist couch right? but the reality the reality is that a lot of people are working through some sort of ah resentment or ah. Kind of the opposite like a personal resentment because you can't live up to your parents' expectations. It's like 1 or the other right either resent your parents for doing a bad job or you feel bad about yourself for not doing a good enough job. Ah, a lot of the time and.

25:58.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so.

26:05.41

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

26:10.77

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, working through those things but not ah, not judging because whether it's yourself or your ancestors whatever which you can think of them all as the same thing in a certain sense. Um, you know everybody's doing whatever they think is going to get them what they want. Based on how they think and feel all the time like everybody's always doing their best and I remember the first time someone told me that I was dating this lady who is ah pretty significantly older than me and she said everyone's doing their best and I said no, they're not I was like 20 years old

26:48.11

mikebledsoe

Ah, well here's the thing is like I think I think where it gets I think where people get confused about that is like ah everyone is doing their best. But I think there a lot of times people who say that assume that we're all going the same direction is like.

27:05.19

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's based on how you think and feel at the time is my little caveat based on how you think and feel at the time. Everybody's always doing their best and you know I've talked about it So many times if you're um, getting what they want either love power or attention love power or attention.

27:05.45

mikebledsoe

Like yeah.

27:13.50

mikebledsoe

But they're best at what getting what they want? Yeah so not not not for the greater. They're not doing the best they can do for the great Great greater humanity.

27:22.42

Dr_ Placebo

And if you can't get 1 you'll move on to the next one no no and and actually no one is the only reason people do that is because it feels good to them right? The same reason that a guy sacrifices all his worldly possessions to join a monastery is because he thinks that's a good deal. It's not because he's like a.

27:34.30

mikebledsoe

Right.

27:42.70

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

27:45.45

Dr_ Placebo

Like a noble person. He just thinks that'll get him a better result.

27:50.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, ah all right? So so another another phase of the hunt. We actually had a ah guide take us to some old ruins that were incredibly old I have no idea I probably wasn't paying attention to that part.

27:53.49

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, on.

28:08.72

mikebledsoe

Um, one of those things you're like ah we suspect this is five hundred or a thousand years old I I don't know so ah, we went to a site where it was ah there's ah, a lot of evidence and a lot of stories to support the idea that there were human sacrifices happening. At this very specific site. So ah.

28:29.60

Dr_ Placebo

You got my attention human sacrifice that was the topic I didn't know I wanted to talk about but now that we're here I'm so glad can we do a whole episode on human sacrifice. That's that's such an incredible idea. That's such an incredible idea.

28:43.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think we should do that next week. Yeah, next week well what's interesting is ah ah one of the things I started exploring ah while I was there after this is I've um. So I used to conflate or have the collapse distinction of service and sacrifice and I think a lot of people who come from a blue collar background do and so I've spent like 8 years you know I had that realization and started unwinding that.

29:05.86

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah.

29:19.69

mikebledsoe

And I spent 8 years only trying to be at service but but completely ignoring any possibilities of sacrifice and so I um, so I really did think about it really did cause me to think about sacrifice like ah the final hunt I ah hunted. Ah, multiple times while we were there and the final one was like really the intention was was around the sacrifice piece and I think it was really set up by that whole human sacrifice thing because they talked about how the the people who were being sacrificed.

29:49.94

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

29:56.70

mikebledsoe

Actually saw as an honor to be able to to be sacrificed who knows but um, so we we? yeah I mean that.

30:04.17

Dr_ Placebo

Right? And and everybody everybody's convinced that it's going to be better to do this that That's the whole idea right? We were just talking about that they're doing it why because they think it'll get them a better result than not doing it.

30:12.37

mikebledsoe

Totally totally.

30:21.17

mikebledsoe

72 version versions. Ah but the so we sat at the site and journaled about ah death. So as as we're sitting at the site of human sacrifice talk about death. Um.

30:23.32

Dr_ Placebo

A man.

30:38.49

mikebledsoe

Fast forwarding to my own death and ah where I got was you know spending some time thinking about how much you know will I resist death when it arrives at my doorstep or will I will I welcome it and I think that.

30:56.90

Dr_ Placebo

That's a tough one I hope I I hope I would but I'll probably be like a 80 year old guy and the angel of death will come by and I'll be like oh please no take my grandson instead.

30:58.00

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

31:11.94

Dr_ Placebo

I'll just be really cowardly at the end of it all have this like super wise life and then finally face it like anyone but me.

31:12.63

mikebledsoe

A.

31:19.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, well like an asshole. Ah yeah I think there's an opportunity now I think I I know there's an opportunity to practice dying and practicing death and I think that's something that. I have experienced through through the use of psychedelics. Ah you know you take a big.

31:37.19

Dr_ Placebo

I Got a lot out of the digital death that I did that was really interesting. Yeah I I just evaporated one day like my friends were all getting messages from people like where's max is he's dead is he okay and it it was It was cool.

31:44.20

mikebledsoe

Digital oh that not going on Instagram.

31:57.17

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, because I was like really attached to um that feedback you know the the audience is like hey we we love you when you do that stuff and so in order to let go of that it it is like a little a little death.

32:06.68

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

32:15.27

Dr_ Placebo

Basically who yeah, that's it. That's you dude that was you.

32:15.95

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah, I mean that happened when I left shrug. You know people people were like you know? Yeah I was like they were um yeah they I did not meet their expectations. Created all these expectations over years that I was going to be there every week and I was going to make them laugh and maybe they learn learn something and then I just stopped and people didn't like that. Um, yeah, so practicing death. Um.

32:50.50

mikebledsoe

And and then what I what I got to is like will I have regrets and what what just came to me the quote came to me in a moment. Are you put on Twitter so it's it's famous. But I said excuses are the seeds of regret and I was thinking about regret. And that's that's what may I see regret as a thing that would cause someone to resist death like oh I'm not done yet I didn't do the thing that I really wanted to do and I think that really is the difference between somebody who's eighty years old and is able to go in peace. And someone who's eighty years old and and dies with suffering and it what hit me was like anything that is an excuse that's that's what I need to be looking for you. Don't want to think am I going to regret this what you want to be thinking is.

33:43.20

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

33:48.25

mikebledsoe

Am I making an excuse about doing this or why am I am I telling myself reasons why this won't work even though it's something I really want to do and I mean knowing the differences between any excuse and a real reason. Ah.

33:52.11

Dr_ Placebo

His father.

34:06.68

mikebledsoe

Can be challenging at times. But I think that's something that each individual gets to learn in themselves and and these two things feel different an excuse feels different than you know, using your reason to to make your moves.

34:22.89

Dr_ Placebo

There's ah I think the difference between excuse and reason is really hard to pinpoint. Actually I think Excuse has a bit of a negative I mean everything.

34:30.40

mikebledsoe

Why I tell people to be unreasonable throw throw the reasons out the window like be rational, be rational rationalable be rational, but but don't be reasonable.

34:39.89

Dr_ Placebo

I like it. It's able to be rationed I like rationable that could be fun rational. Ah like okay so.

34:44.17

mikebledsoe

Yeah, alright Hashtag rationable. It's a thing.

34:54.15

Dr_ Placebo

Responsibility is ability to respond. It's also a synonym for obligation right? and I think I think that's often how it's used like you list out you list out the responsibilities. Well you list out resp responses like okay, you've had people work for you right.

34:58.36

mikebledsoe

But I don't think I don't think it is a cinnament for that and I why think I think most people will perceive it that way.

35:13.42

Dr_ Placebo

And you list out what their responsibilities are like. For example, every day obligations. No okay you fucking whore Obligations accountabilities.

35:13.61

mikebledsoe

Yeah I call them accountabilities not responsibilities accountabilities. Ah.

35:30.50

mikebledsoe

Ah.

35:31.48

Dr_ Placebo

Whatever you want to call it. It's a thing that you got to do and basically in that situation. What happens if it doesn't get done and that's that's when ah, a reason to me is is always an excuse right? because what you're trying to do is you are trying to excuse. Use yourself from the obligation. Ah so to me, it's very different and like you know you've had a lot of people work for you and it's you can always come up with a reason for why you didn't do the thing you said you were going to do right? But it's still.

35:54.70

mikebledsoe

Um, ah.

36:09.52

Dr_ Placebo

It's just trying to excuse that accountability right.

36:10.99

mikebledsoe

Yeah I would say their culture that we we've cultivated with people who work for me. It's been a very like yeah I fucked up and I don't I don't get a lot of excuses from my people which is really refreshing just to.

36:19.19

Dr_ Placebo

Um, yeah, right? yeah.

36:30.80

mikebledsoe

Have people own it. Okay I think the problem with making excuses is you're doomed to repeat the you don't you don't feel the gravity. You don't feel the pain of of the impact that you made by by screwing up.

36:47.35

Dr_ Placebo

Totally the error.

36:49.43

mikebledsoe

Like the if you make an excuse for your yeah if you make an excuse for your error. You're sidestepping a lesson. But if you say look I simply screwed up I dropped the ball I'm now making a commitment to ah you know. I'm I'm making these specific changes in order to ah do it differently moving forward. Awesome! That's what I want to hear. That's why I want to hear from others. That's what I want to hear from myself. That's that's an attitude of of learning that's humility.

37:17.41

Dr_ Placebo

Totally no, It's curiosity too right? It's like what can be done differently and it frames it in a in a positive sense so you know right.

37:24.30

mikebledsoe

And.

37:29.39

mikebledsoe

We're moving forward instead of dwelling on the past we like we acknowledge that this happened but now let's move forward.

37:35.40

Dr_ Placebo

Well and that's kind of like the it goes back to the sacrifice or the martyr thing right? you you almost feel like you need to punish yourself a little bit and say how bad you were but it doesn't really do anybody and especially if you're like managing people you you kind of just want to be like man that's like wholly irrelevant. Really doesn't Matter. It's really just about what you can do moving forward differently that will make it so this does not happen in the future right.

37:56.50

mikebledsoe

I Think ah.

38:01.89

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think I think the pain that we inflict on ourselves through the guilt can can help make the lesson stick like oh I don't want to feel like that again. So.

38:13.70

Dr_ Placebo

Well, totally man, you know shame can drive a culture in a big way. Um, and I know I've said it on the podcast before but 1 of the cultures that I find really interesting and awesome in a lot of ways is Japan where there's a really strong culture. Of honoring tradition and shame. Also, you know there's a lot less homeless people there because it's kind of a shameful thing and there's also a lot less ah broad creativity of brand new stuff. But ah surplus. Of refining old stuff. You know so they might not invent a rocket ship but when someone else does they'll make that rocket ship better than anything else because they'll have you know 10 generations of rocket scientists running the family business and trying to just. Make those marginal improvements. So I think you know shame can be a great motivator ah certainly I gravitate toward love being a motivator right so joyful expression of this ah weird. Black box algorithm that I am you know take what I got and and let it out there like you know, let it go basically um, kind of like we were talking about um service minus attachment. Basically so you do your thing but you're not.

39:42.47

mikebledsoe

I.

39:46.70

Dr_ Placebo

Super attached to the result or or yourself as the procurer of that service.

39:53.71

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, all right moving on moving on in this journal see so I was asked for. We went on a a silent hike for a couple hours and ah.

39:57.90

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

40:11.68

mikebledsoe

We're We're asked the question, the prompt to consider while we walk and then you know Journal when we get back and before we get out the door I started making a list of ways in which I don't show up as my highest self um or you just sit look as how do you show up in a.

40:25.60

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

40:31.21

mikebledsoe

And the ways that you don't prefer or you you end up regretting I guess so these are these are the ways in which I am not showing up as my highest self when I am looking for acceptance by others when I seek stimulation over solitude. That's where I got that.

40:47.62

Dr_ Placebo

Another more.

40:48.29

mikebledsoe

Ah, when I fail to communicate my boundaries Well when I lack a hierarchy of values. Ah, and when I'm concerned with not looking bad.

41:01.96

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, those are good. Um, what was the prompt again. It was just go on this quiet hike and then Journal at the end.

41:08.92

mikebledsoe

Not yeah that well we were to consider this question in which way am I not showing up as my highest self and then 2 hour yeah Yeah

41:18.94

Dr_ Placebo

Okay, so now they provided that yeah that was actually the the thing I thought ah before when you're talking about what decisions will I regret. That's like the same. That's the positive way to say that. What? what would your highest self do here like and how how big a gap is there. Can you repeat that question one more time I'm going to write it I'm going to have ah my friends around here do that with me sometime same seems like a cool idea.

41:36.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

41:47.73

mikebledsoe

Cool, um in which way am I not showing up as my highest self.

41:51.94

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

41:56.20

mikebledsoe

Everyone out everyone at home gets to and get a couple chances write it down themselves all right? Everyone you got a homework expect you to fill this out I mean 2 3 hours I like that.

42:05.74

Dr_ Placebo

How how long was the silent hike. That's pretty nice.

42:15.90

mikebledsoe

You know what I found when I first got out there is like um actually felt overstimated coming in. Ah and I met several of the guys for the first time and everybody was wanting to talk and I was There was a part of me that was going man I really just wish this was a silent retreat I would like.

42:42.23

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh man, that's so funny to hear from you did.

42:47.20

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, yeah, so I'm I'm actually going to suggest a monzol about ah putting together. A I would love to do like a group hunting trip where the first 2 of three days is in complete silence. Only. Like a noble silence. You know I could ask you to like help me with something or or could you get the fuck out of the way or whatever it is or you know you you can you can state what you need in the moment but I don't yeah yeah.

43:10.25

Dr_ Placebo

But right.

43:15.72

Dr_ Placebo

Could wear a little wear a little chalkboards.

43:23.90

mikebledsoe

But ah, yeah, minimize the just the bullshitting interactions and yeah I would love to do like a two day and I would love to do as strangers I would love to go hunting with people I've never met before spend the first two days silent and then the third day because then I I think it would be really fun to. Because what your mind's gonna do is create all these stories about who this person is you know why? they do the thing they do, you're gonna create all of it and then you're gonna talk to them on a third day and they're gonna break all of it and you're gonna go oh my imagination is nuts.

43:46.16

Dr_ Placebo

Right? one? ah.

43:58.76

Dr_ Placebo

Totally well and as it relates to the dog thing. You know they don't speak English Um, they they pick up on your emotions and your postures and I know I've said it before even on the show but I remember you.

44:06.20

mikebledsoe

You don't say.

44:15.95

Dr_ Placebo

Said to me like dude maybe ten years ago or something like don't don't listen to the words people are saying just watch how they're being and so I started doing this thing where I mean I was tuning out like I wasn't listening to the words I was a really bad listener but I was just watching people's postures their hand movements.

44:21.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

44:35.80

Dr_ Placebo

And it it was like the it was like the teacher and Charlie Brown it was like wah walk walk walk walk walk walk walk and I was just listening to the musicality of the voice and all these different things and I would imagine if you are meeting people for the first time and you can't. Introduce yourself like that is such a trip because now you're going to be reverting to these primal instincts of like sizing people up, you're going to pay really close attention to people's eyes and I bet most people have never even ah. Come close to a situation like that I don't think I've ever been part of a group where we didn't introduce ourselves for two days like that's almost psychotic actually when you think about it. Everybody's got like guns and no one saying anything and they've never met before. I mean I don't want you to like give up on this dream but it is a sweet recipe for fucking disaster.

45:35.28

mikebledsoe

You know I'll try it out with guys I know first? Well we'll baby step our way into this find a few guys that are willing to do a silent hunting retreat and we'll go from there all like let's dig in this puppy journal.

45:49.53

Dr_ Placebo

Um, awesome dude I like the silent hike I like the silent hike thing. That's a cool idea. Well.

45:57.89

mikebledsoe

I did a whole day I took 2 guys up to I was up in Idaho and was in the sawtooth mountains and we did like ah man it was like a 12 hour maybe maybe thirteen fourteen hours

46:12.50

Dr_ Placebo

Was that a cattle drive or something. Wow.

46:13.86

mikebledsoe

Ah, not not just hiking up. The mountain started started at the bottom wearing shorts and it was hot and got up to the snow and basically just popped a little microdose and went fasted So all I brought was water.

46:24.60

Dr_ Placebo

Um, how cool.

46:30.75

Dr_ Placebo

Sweet.

46:33.13

mikebledsoe

And and we did a silent up and I and I ah I was in charge of the hike there was 3 of us I was like we can talk on the way down and and I I started hoofing. Yeah and we started hoofing it down and these guys were just hilarious.

46:44.45

Dr_ Placebo

Ah I like I like that a lot too that.

46:52.13

mikebledsoe

Just talking about candy bars like because we were fasted. They weren't used to any of this stuff. So the idea of like hiking silent fast. It was incredibly novel to them. So yeah.

47:05.80

Dr_ Placebo

It's crazy how much extra calories you're packing on you Even if you're a lean person check out, check out the math sometime like for those who are every you got to fast, you got to try it Out. It's so it's Stupid. You just you just shut up. And you don't eat for a while and it will heal you more than like 99% of the bullshit out there. But.

47:25.66

mikebledsoe

It is. It is the dude you just give your system a break. All you got to do is give your system a break and it'll fix itself for for most things.

47:37.20

Dr_ Placebo

Matt Imagine if you just ah had headphones playing music all the time. That's like the equivalent of digesting food all the time and it's it's just a different sense right.

47:53.18

mikebledsoe

Yeah, 4

47:54.61

Dr_ Placebo

You don't give yourself a chance. Um, but some people are afraid they're like oh what'll happen am I going to like break down too much muscle or something like that like that like it'll happen in a fucking week I mean some some sure whatever but like a lean person has like one hundred thousand calories

48:05.22

mikebledsoe

It's all guy. Yeah dudes are well, there's um, sal.

48:14.41

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

48:14.74

Dr_ Placebo

Storage on them like ah, a lean, a lean man of average size has like a hundred thousand extra calories conveniently distributed mostly in the center mass of their body. It's it's really good design like we would all be dead if it didn't work this way.

48:33.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, it's there for sure. There sal sell from over at mine pump. Um, if you're familiar with the mine pump guys but they do like um, kind of like.

48:36.24

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

48:44.74

Dr_ Placebo

Do they like take ah do they like take pre-workouts and play chess or something.

48:49.55

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well, they're like ah I would I would they're the closest thing the barbell shrugged but more for like the the aesthetic world whereas we were more in like the performance and they're They're really great guys I've been on their show a couple times they've been on mine. They're fun.

48:56.33

Dr_ Placebo

All.

49:05.75

mikebledsoe

And 1 of the guys on there I know for a period of time was doing a 72 hour fast once a month for the purpose of building more muscle so there's just like you want to train really hard if you want to grow muscle if you actually starve yourself a protein. There's a super compensation that occurs. So.

49:09.84

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

49:24.78

Dr_ Placebo

It's like occlusion training you cut off the flow and then you release it and the floodgates open same deal.

49:25.55

mikebledsoe

It's yeah. Yeah, so I I think that for anyone who is concerned about that because I was actually you know for a lot of the hunts that I do we we fast coming in and one of my friends young younger guy. He was like yeah but you know I was just like worry about losing muscle I'm like you know. Ah, 72 hour fast done right? and when you reintroduce food you could actually put more muscle on because of that just watched all the all the gears in his head had to change direction and and ah yeah, but it's true.

50:02.81

Dr_ Placebo

Plus like what if you did lose a little bit of muscle. You think no one's going to love you after that Jesus Fucking Christ like.

50:13.29

mikebledsoe

Oh obviously? yeah, well its problem is like I mean you've experienced this is you get praise. It's like oh man, you got a 6 pack. Oh man like get all this praise like well that's must be why people like me.

50:14.84

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean they won't love you as much. Obviously now you're fucking Scrawny bitch who's going to love you now.

50:27.16

Dr_ Placebo

I. Totally totally I mean I feel like I've said this so many times but I would lift a really big weight over my head. Let's say and people would be like hey Wow Max We Really like that.

50:33.21

mikebledsoe

And then you take that away like oh no, one's gonna love me now.

50:47.85

Dr_ Placebo

Can you lift a bigger one be like fuck. Yeah, are you going to love me more if I do and they're like yeah I'm like great I'll do that.

50:53.75

mikebledsoe

I mean it's super simple if I put that I think about a year ago I put ah ah a Instagram throwback video of me squatting like I don't know what it was like four 25 for reps or something like that the bars bouncing and shit.

51:04.75

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

51:10.32

mikebledsoe

And I got like almost a record breaking amount of likes on that you know and I basically like I basically said in the the what's it called the caption I said in the caption of like yeah this was like peak me hating myself. Ah and like.

51:12.43

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah.

51:25.57

Dr_ Placebo

Totally.

51:29.21

mikebledsoe

This is all the things I've done a change and all that you know what ended up in some of the comments people actually read the caption but a lot of comments are like yeah man that's big weight I'm like you like let the fuck is going on. Love me. Um.

51:38.64

Dr_ Placebo

Good job and you're like they love me. They really love Me. You know it reminds me of why Envy is such a bummer ah number one. It's the only of the deadly Sins. You can't have any fun at ah which I've always thought was really cool and the no no lust is great. Gluttony.

51:58.61

mikebledsoe

Ah, interesting. Yeah, there's not really a payoff for it right? like people use it people use it for motivation. Yeah.

52:08.13

Dr_ Placebo

Lust gluttony sloth I mean that's that's like a great day as far as what I'm concerned but but like ah yeah, ah today is gluttony day. Ah but like envy day is is the worst and here's why it's extra bad though.

52:13.20

mikebledsoe

I Set aside days for that. Yeah yeah.

52:26.60

Dr_ Placebo

So it's funny because it's not that fun but also with envy we're only envying like 1 little bit a fraction of someone's life where we're not envious of the whole thing. Because if we were we would do that same shit ourselves like nobody can see in that video all of the sacrifices you were making and even at the time. Ah maybe you were self-aware enough to be like hey you know I I did this.

52:47.35

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

53:03.40

Dr_ Placebo

But you you guys probably don't want this in fact, ah you know like my I don't know if this is true. But for me it It was a lot of the time like my body hurts a lot. Um dude like that's probably the.

53:12.00

mikebledsoe

I was in so much pain. So I had to smoke during that period of time I was smoking weed every night to fall asleep I remember getting in bed and just like my body was hot. My my shoulders were throbbing like like things were throbbing.

53:20.27

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

53:26.58

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

53:30.88

mikebledsoe

And I'd be lay in bed and then my my ex wifefe would be next to me and she could just feel me she' like babe go smoke some weed you need to go to sleep so just turn into a nightly I smoked weed every night for for years.

53:35.21

Dr_ Placebo

E.

53:46.13

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, totally I mean that's a good option as far as options go but that's what I mean about the the cherry pick Envy is like we're we're envious cherry pickers. We're like oh man look at that guy's house I'm like yeah that guy.

53:47.91

mikebledsoe

Just for pain relief.

53:56.49

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

54:04.81

Dr_ Placebo

Went to medical school. He worked 60 hour weeks and then he worked 80 hour weeks and now he finally has this big house and and and you're only going to be envy it like it's it's insane right? It's the same thing with us lifting these heavy weights we're like wow I wish I could do that I'm like no, you don't.

54:15.22

mikebledsoe

Right.

54:21.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

54:24.21

Dr_ Placebo

A no, you don't because otherwise you'd be doing it and B you don't understand the sacrifices that are being made here. You know it's ah it's hardly fair. But what's funny about that too is ah that's also what inflames people's desires the most like.

54:30.27

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

54:43.12

Dr_ Placebo

I I was honest, um, like I I was saying like hey man I I train a lot I do ah olympic weightlifting then I do gymnastics then I do a crossfit workout at the end then I go to Jujitsu and then in the evenings I do moyai for 2 hours training six days a week I'm running a business I'm a 23 year old absolute maniac investing all of my time into it and I'm like here's this workout and people are like yeah I want that too but they don't really is my point they just want like.

55:16.38

mikebledsoe

Now.

55:20.43

Dr_ Placebo

Like that Mark Twain quote a classic is something that everybody wants to have read but nobody wants to read. He's got some good ones? Yeah, all right.

55:31.21

mikebledsoe

Accurate. Ah I think he was ah somebody somebody called him the cause I was describing Mark Twain as someone who had never really knew much about him or read about him and and as I as I was describing.

55:39.76

Dr_ Placebo

And pretty sardonic guy.

55:47.70

mikebledsoe

They go. Oh he's probably the Joe Rogan of of that time I go you know what? I think you're probably right like that because he was he was funny. He he was he was doing a lot of writing and I yeah was kind of like comedy of that of that era I mean and and.

55:56.21

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

56:01.53

Dr_ Placebo

Um, he was a humorist that's actually the biggest humor award. We have is the Mark Twain ah prize right? There are some good ah acceptance. There are some good acceptance speeches.

56:07.53

mikebledsoe

Oh I didn't even know that I learned something new about Mark Twain today the more I learned about that guy the more of a fan I become just wild.

56:20.39

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, because it's it's you know some people who are just absolute um juggernauts comedy-wise but the Mark Twain prize is like a lifetime achievement award for comedy. So you know chappee has 1 Eddie Murphy David Letterman these guys like.

56:30.67

mikebledsoe

Now.

56:38.20

Dr_ Placebo

Really? ah, really skilled at the craft of humor and what I say is humor drops the guard like Lindsay has noticed that there's basically no conversation I have with someone where I don't a try really hard to make them laugh and b. Actually make them laugh because I don't I don't want things to be serious like that's the last type of situation I want I want to have things be be lighthearted and and humor is a good way to do that.

57:07.74

mikebledsoe

We go it. Loosens people up, you have you use humor it loosens up the mind people get up catch people off guard willing to entertain new ideas and this is why comedy is such an important thing in society and before you we had the modern comedians you have.

57:17.42

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

57:27.46

mikebledsoe

Want to go back far enough. You got the court Jester and I think a lot of times people think about the court jester as just some fool who knows some you know can juggle and shit. But in ah some traditions you know it's told that. The jester was there to keep the king in check the gesture was the only one that could make fun of the king right? and so it was like yeah and.

57:47.30

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Compartmentalized you can make fun of me and you're going to do it in a way that I feel okay about it. But but when you're when you're Queen or something is like you you drink too much.

57:56.63

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

58:03.62

Dr_ Placebo

Or whatever he's like fuck you queen I'm the king god damn it. But when the jester is like hey Mr. King guy can I fill up your wine flask again. Oh it's already empty. What does a pre you know Dadada whatever.

58:17.26

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, yeah, you want to break out the puppy journal.

58:22.30

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah, um I think the the main thing is ah compartmentalizing on on every level like literally you put them into a compartment you have nap time. Compartmentalized you have playtime compartmentalized. You have mealtime compartmentalized like the more you compartmentalize the lives of those puppies the easier it is like they know when we're outside. It's outside time like we've had them two weeks now and we're batting like I would say 98% ah of potties outside in the same place and I feel like that's really good. We've had almost no issues. No accidents inside the house which I'm real pleased about and when it's nap time. They go into the pen and when it's food time they come out and they get their food and then we pick the stuff up and wash it out because otherwise it's going to be crawling with ants. So everything gets compartmentalized. Um shoes can't live on the floor anymore. So that has to be in a compartment has to be out of reach so it's it's forcing me to get way tighter with my organization. So I think that's a positive I mean look once again like you could look at my story from the outside in and think.

59:57.91

Dr_ Placebo

I'm a certain way but it's just been like a disorganized mess of an insane guy who just happened to be very ambitious and motivated right? So it doesn't just because it like worked doesn't mean I did it well like I didn't you know what? I mean.

01:00:16.59

mikebledsoe

Ah, that that resonates like so so like how did you do it I'm like don't do it the way I did it.

01:00:16.88

Dr_ Placebo

It's ah yeah, totally men. Yeah, right? But what's funny is ah like instinctually they they want to do it that way because it's a proven model and you're like no dude do do anything but the way that I did it.

01:00:30.17

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:00:35.71

Dr_ Placebo

Do absolutely anything but that but anyway ah compartmentalizing is huge I already mentioned ah demonstration is greater than explanation I think that equation pretty much rings true for just about everything.

01:00:55.28

Dr_ Placebo

Um, it really reminds you? What's important like the live like we had to take the puppies. Ah 1 of them into the vet once already to the emergency room and and it's a very binary type of thing. Yeah puppy was really. Lethargic ah pissed herself is very scary I was surprised how much I loved these little fuckers already. Ah and it was like Okay, we either relax, chill out and ah, don't worry about it or we take her to the emergency room right now. Because living in limbo of like ooh. It's kind of scary. It's kind of bad is it's almost like ah an almost emergency is the worst fucking thing ever. It's like buying fire insurance. But then worrying every day that your house will burn down and I feel like that's how a lot of people.

01:01:47.69

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

01:01:52.71

Dr_ Placebo

Live their lives. Um, you know insurance is another thing we could talk about another time but that's not really related to. We did get puppy insurance which is a fucking scam and a half. Ah oh yeah I mean you know it's.

01:02:07.88

mikebledsoe

I've never heard of that before.

01:02:11.48

Dr_ Placebo

Just like anything else. It's ah basically a probability and a fee schedule. Whatever and so if you're going to buy puppy Insurance. You probably would also be well- served to buy some extra puppy food so you have like insurance against like a shortage in puppy food supply Anyway, whatever. Not not more insurance. Ah yeah, yeah, that's actually what it is. Yeah, Ah, it's well because I looked at the fee schedule basically and I looked at like what the payment is versus what they will pay.

01:02:31.27

mikebledsoe

Is like Health insurance for puppies her Why you say it's a you say it's a scam.

01:02:48.97

mikebledsoe

Right? And like dental insurance.

01:02:50.53

Dr_ Placebo

For each ailment. It doesn't seem like a very good deal basically to me. Ah, you know they have these maximums for certain things and I didn't think those maximums were very high like I I like to have insurance.

01:03:04.70

mikebledsoe

Why did you get it.

01:03:09.10

Dr_ Placebo

Um, because it is pretty inexpensive and I have had a lot of people tell me who have had dogs that it was worth it and um, so like basically it's a gamble essentially like ah having health insurance or not um.

01:03:16.74

mikebledsoe

E.

01:03:27.38

Dr_ Placebo

You know I I prefer to bet on myself. Basically so um, you know if there's a catastrophe great but everything else just out of pocket. Ah puppy lessons. Ah first one is what you pet you get.

01:03:37.12

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

01:03:45.37

Dr_ Placebo

Which is ah kind of like a derivative of what is rewarded is repeated So that's a big thing.

01:03:49.95

mikebledsoe

I was I my mind jumped to Monkey pox.

01:03:53.92

Dr_ Placebo

What you pet you get? Wow I Don't think they can get Monkey pox.

01:04:03.55

mikebledsoe

A greyhound got monkey pox in France recently from a couple of men who have sex with men. Um, but ah god it's a real story. Yep yep, well well you know that.

01:04:07.99

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

01:04:11.85

Dr_ Placebo

Is that a real story that you're telling me how do you know this? Wow wild.

01:04:21.70

mikebledsoe

Monkey pox narrative right now is it's it's mainly just men who have sex with men. They're not saying gay men on on the news anymore. Ah, and then and then they report oh there's there's ah 13 cases of children getting it.

01:04:28.55

Dr_ Placebo

E.

01:04:40.31

mikebledsoe

Oh it must not be sexually transmitted. Ah and then and then there's ah, there's a dog in France who's owned by a couple of gay guys and the dog gets it and they say it's concentrated around its mouth and belly.

01:04:41.84

Dr_ Placebo

Oh boy Well boy.

01:04:59.39

mikebledsoe

So it must be from ah you know, just close contact skin to skin contact. It's not ah well we didn't ask the gender that the reporter didn't ask the gender of the dog they screwed up.

01:05:04.29

Dr_ Placebo

Maybe the dog is a homosexual I don't know it's a gay dog I don't know oh God Yeah, you should definitely not fuck your dog.

01:05:20.92

mikebledsoe

Ah.

01:05:22.41

Dr_ Placebo

I didn't even need to own dogs before I knew that.

01:05:29.95

mikebledsoe

All right? all right? all right? Ah what you pat you get not Monkey box. Ok the pumpy principles.

01:05:33.58

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, so I have I have the puppy principles right? which is ah patience positivity and playfulness and I think patience is really important. It's ah it's a little creature that doesn't know english. It doesn't know the difference between what you wanted to do what you don't want it to do and you you cannot get impatient with a dog or another person you can only get impatient with yourself right? You can get frustrated with yourself that things aren't already a certain way for you. It's like ah. I say there ain't no use wishing words you know oh I wish it were like this well wish in 1 hand pissing the other and see which fills up first. Yeah yeah, so.

01:06:20.50

mikebledsoe

Ah, another way of looking at it. Well Okay, yeah I like that's that's totally different than what I was thinking. But yeah I love wishing worse there. There's like little rules like that that are really useful like if you wish it were certain way that that's leading to suffering.

01:06:28.14

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

01:06:34.92

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

01:06:37.82

mikebledsoe

Another something that's similar to that is people who dwell on unanswerable questions like oh why did he kill himself. Well, you're never going to be able to ask him so like that that yeah yeah, maybe.

01:06:42.60

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Oh yeah, yeah, maybe after you die I don't know.

01:06:57.40

mikebledsoe

But but the the dwelling on that question doesn't serve you at all it only causes suffering I say that because that that happened to me but like you know and so it's it's ah the but I started noticing that people that.

01:06:58.96

Dr_ Placebo

No well man like.

01:07:15.77

mikebledsoe

I would be coaching someone and they'd get. They'd be getting tripped up on an unanswerable question I go Well you know what? Why did you? You know why did I get fired. They wouldn't tell me that I'm like all right? Well why is it matter you know. If they're not telling you did I Answerable question.

01:07:35.99

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's like why do you want to invest so much of your attention into something that you can't um, change with your actions so you have your locus of control which is monumentally small Despite. Ah, what the conventional wisdom may be like you have so little control. Ah, you don't even have control of your entire body like a lot of that shit is happening automatically so you have a super limited locus of control and yet I don't know some people.

01:07:58.37

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:08:12.58

Dr_ Placebo

Are like concerned about whether a gay dog in France has monkey pox. For example I mean that's really far outside their ability to control what's going on. So it's funny because like you're sacrificing. Yeah well, you're sacrificing your life for that and if you're doing it for.

01:08:21.50

mikebledsoe

Ah I watch I watched the news for comedy.

01:08:31.17

Dr_ Placebo

Entertainment or just idle curiosity like I Love ah listening to learning reading um shit that will maybe never benefit me in any kind of professional way likely something I can't influence but I. Go into it accepting that reality. You know what? I mean that's why I say I'm not into kink shaming like you do whatever you want if you want to hook up your nipples to a car battery. Ah you know, go with God Frankly, but don't expect that that's going to you know, improve your coaching business. Let's say you know.

01:08:51.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, absolutely.

01:09:08.10

mikebledsoe

I I.

01:09:10.40

Dr_ Placebo

It might it might ah so we have patience number one just like ah I'm being very patient with the erratic flow of our conversation right now then we have positivity because dogs hardly understand not.. It's very related to like what you pet you get, but you can't um so for Positivity ah reinforcement is greater than enforcement and in fact, you can't actually teach a dog anything. You can only reward something they're already doing and positively reinforce that ah like you you can't teach a dog to like like you can demonstrate how to lay down but really all you can do is positively reward the stuff you want. So. Patience Positivity and then Playfulness is ah maybe more of ah a lesson for people than anything else, but dogs are so good at playing. But if they don't play enough if they don't get their energy out if they don't have that outlet. They're going to be a nightmare. Just like a person people are fucking assholes if they don't play and get some physical activity and how could you blame them right? Yeah, you have this creature who arguably has a lot more um needs sociologically than a dog.

01:10:41.26

Dr_ Placebo

And if they're not getting them. Of course they're not going to act right? They're going to act a fool so you got to? Ah I think it's good to apply these same principles to yourself because people are like puppies. You know, arguably a little more complicated but. Being patient with yourself and others remember you can't be patient with others. It's just patience within your own self right? You draw your boundary or you don't ah positivity so you don't like force yourself but you reinforce the things that you do that work out well and then that playfulness is ah. Really important for connecting with other people connecting with yourself connecting with your body you mentioned before being stuck in your head. Um, play is a really good way to do that gets people out of the ego gets people out of their head and into their body and that's. Super good medicine for the culture we live in so those are the top 3 puppy principles I have um and then I have like the the tools of the trade. Basically so the carrot and the stick in my case are ah and what's funny is. Everybody's got an idea of how you should train dogs Some some people are like you should never say no to a dog you got to feed them a vegan diet. Let them sleep in your bed. Ah and other ones are like you know these prong Callers. You can actually put a shot collar on top of that and then when you dominate them every morning.

01:12:17.70

Dr_ Placebo

They'll really listen to you and I'm like okay Jesus Christ that seems like pretty extreme on both ends but everybody has an idea of how you should train dogs just the way everybody has an idea about how exercise should work. It's quite hilarious, but I have a spray bottle of water. And then I have a bag of treats. those are the those are the core tools I have I say treats are cheats basically and because it's not ah like you don't want them to to do things just for treats. You know what? I mean you need something to positively reinforce them. But ultimately I want these dogs to be ah individual certainly but an extension of myself so I can take them off leash. They'll listen to what I say they won't run into the street that kind of shit. Um, but treats. Ah, treats in a spray bottle like the carrot and the stick it's like god Giveth in 1 hand and taketh in the other. It's quite hilarious how well it works so the spray bottle is associated with no, they don't like it and it it does get them to stop the behavior which is good and then the other thing.

01:13:16.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:13:28.57

Dr_ Placebo

That is ah related to something you and I talk about a lot is the semantic precision and I know that most people will make this mistake ah with dogs because they make it with themselves is they have far too extensive.

01:13:47.38

Dr_ Placebo

A vocabulary that they use with people with themselves and certainly with dogs too was just talking to a dog trainer on the phone today and I have ah I have a little command list that I wrote down in order of like the the main ones that I wanted to use. And I was thinking gosh you know if I can get them to to come and sit within like the first week I'll be rock solid and within the first week I could get them to do that and I was thinking man this is um, this is amazing I don't. I don't confuse them with too many different um bits of vocabulary has to be as clear as possible. It's just like computer programming. Basically you know you can say ah like when you reinforce something. Man. It's so funny I'm I'm talking to my brother on the phone last week and we're talking a little while and then just during the conversation I'm like good potty milo good potty and my brother just starts laughing at me. He's like you are so well lame because.

01:14:56.99

mikebledsoe

Ah, well totally. Oh yeah, you have to.

01:14:58.00

Dr_ Placebo

I Don't want to miss the opportunity to positively reinforce that Behavior. So Basically anytime they do something you like good blank. Whatever that thing is good. Come good, sit good potty, whatever and by doing that. There's no confusion. Because I know they don't know words but as long as the sound is the same. Ah, That's really, that's really the key.

01:15:22.41

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think is why some people train their dogs in another language say German is that the only time that dog's gonna hear that word is when they're being spoken to So I.

01:15:31.00

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

01:15:39.29

Dr_ Placebo

Um, yeah.

01:15:40.39

mikebledsoe

I've heard of people doing that and that that would I think that would make the semantic precision even easier. Ah so.

01:15:50.20

Dr_ Placebo

It's a it's a greater distinction. Probably yeah.

01:15:52.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, because they're not gonna be hearing you say it outside of when you're talking to them. Well cool art.

01:16:02.22

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's been a really good experience. It Definitely ah rocked my world I don't have the same life Anymore. It's really super. Ah, super different I Love it. I Love Them. It's a fun time.. It's a nice. Ah. An aspect of myself I never thought I would entertain actually so it's ah the the newness is really fun. Yeah,, that's awesome.

01:16:28.26

mikebledsoe

Beautiful.

01:16:36.86

mikebledsoe

Think it's time to wrap this bad boy up we I think we packed it with a bunch of small lessons I was thinking about our writer putting this together and should be interesting. Ah.

01:16:42.76

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, well yeah, right? Um, well, you're probably the same way like ah.

01:16:54.98

Dr_ Placebo

There's that Mitch Hedberg joke where he goes I'm a comedian. So what I do is I sit in a hotel room and if I think of something funny and then I write it down or if the pen is too far away I have to convince myself that what I thought of ain't funny. So it's like.

01:17:07.66

mikebledsoe

I.

01:17:11.78

Dr_ Placebo

If you're listening to stuff like this just keep something close by where you can jot down a note because frankly, um if you if you pick up on a little thing like I wrote some stuff down that that you mentioned because I just happen to have a pen handy.

01:17:30.21

Dr_ Placebo

It can be like 1 line from something you said might be infinitely more valuable than the entire rest of the conversation for a particular individual. So. It's really not about like the amount that you take in It's about the amount. It's about the things that like take you almost like it takes by surprise and it creates this catalyst where you're like whoa I never thought of it that way. That's really, that's really interesting like I'm going to do a silent hike I love the idea of no talking on the way up and talking on the way down.

01:17:51.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:18:08.60

Dr_ Placebo

I Think there's like a lot of good symbolism I Kind of like that better than just ah, ah like a silent hike and then come back and Journal later I like I like silence on the way up maybe Journal at the top and then ah talking on the way down like I.

01:18:22.92

mikebledsoe

Now meow.

01:18:25.80

Dr_ Placebo

That's something I want to set up That's probably the main takeaway I got from today. What about for you.

01:18:33.45

mikebledsoe

Um.

01:18:33.90

Dr_ Placebo

And Monkey Pucks in Gay French dogs. Obviously I mean.

01:18:43.29

mikebledsoe

Oh what do? what did I get out of today. Um I I mean I think the big thing is I just want a dog now. Yeah I have a house. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:18:49.95

Dr_ Placebo

Oh shit. Well you could have one now you have a house you got a lady you're getting married soon I think right is that right? That's pretty cool. Yeah could just go down to the courthouse one day. Also.

01:18:59.89

mikebledsoe

Sometime next year sometime in 2023 we're trying to make it happen. We'll see there's things happening I've mentioned that to her but we'll see how that goes I think she's a little more attached to the wedding than I am and yeah.

01:19:09.52

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

01:19:15.83

Dr_ Placebo

It's what every girl dreams of baby you and me down at the courthouse random person as our witness.

01:19:17.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and well she she will remind me she like she's like you already had 1 of these I haven't like I yeah you right? you're right? Ah I didn't like my first one anyway, that's why I was that's I tell her it's like the first wedding sucked for me too. Anyways, so.

01:19:28.28

Dr_ Placebo

Sorry yeah.

01:19:35.79

Dr_ Placebo

Um, probably feels like an obligation for most dudes.

01:19:38.29

mikebledsoe

Was hungover. Yeah I was also hung over so I was just I was just trying to keep my shit together I was I was a mess my my mid 20 s were a mess.

01:19:45.77

Dr_ Placebo

I'll do it I mean I'm sure you were just as wise I'm sure you were just as wise back then as you are today. That's why you have no regrets baby you're like I would do nothing different. I'm just as wise as I was when I was 25.

01:20:00.20

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, yeah, oh man? Well my my brain's still catching up so I'm just gonna say I the puppies. Want wanting a puppy myself is my big takeaway. But yeah, all my travel I've had a lot of brain fog. So memory memory is still ah come back online that seems the thing be the thing with my cognition that lags the most with it's like the first thing.

01:20:21.42

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

01:20:30.60

Dr_ Placebo

With with travel with travel specifically.

01:20:31.40

mikebledsoe

Starts going. Not my focus. Yeah, just just in general anytime my cognition takes a hit. It's usually memory is the the first thing that starts to dwindle. So yeah.

01:20:39.00

Dr_ Placebo

Interesting. Well do some sudokus or something I don't know fuck.

01:20:47.99

mikebledsoe

That's probably a good idea. Ah yeah, so make sure go to Max Shank Dot Com if you want some some what he what he selling these days sell all of it up.

01:20:59.95

Dr_ Placebo

I sell it all man ah dog training dog training. Ah puppy manual on the way I don't I don't It's funny I think it is easier to train a dog than a person because a dog a dog won't come in.

01:21:05.60

mikebledsoe

Like Shas dogtraining school dot com for sure.

01:21:14.85

Dr_ Placebo

And say I haven't eaten that much food. But I keep gaining weight like this.

01:21:16.71

mikebledsoe

Well, you know they don't have 20 years of trauma before they walk in your door. Yeah.

01:21:22.88

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, you know what's funny too is with that kind of thing. The solution might not be talking it out. It might just be letting it go and playing a little bit. It's very weird. Everybody's a little bit different bullshit.

01:21:35.63

mikebledsoe

Could be and not really big on talking things out. Ah.

01:21:41.73

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, mean either as we fucking continue to talk shit for the forty third week in a row you li motherfucker I love it check out Mike Blood so Mike underscore blood cell.

01:21:43.74

mikebledsoe

Ah.

01:21:48.80

mikebledsoe

Ah, that's right, that's right, all right? all right? Ah check in with us next week on Instagram yep, hit me on the Dms. Why have a conversation.

01:22:01.14

Dr_ Placebo

On Instagram for all kinds of wisdom about hunting and silence and I had fun. It was. It was nice chatting with you homie. Thank you again. Love you take care guys.

01:22:14.99

mikebledsoe

Love to bite.

Aug 25, 2022

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Aug 8, 2022

00:00.00

mikebledsoe

Well I think we should record now then you got 2 Eight week puppies a week old puppies. Yeah, you don't seem much like ah.

00:01.45

Max Shank

Yeah,, let's do it. Puppies are great. Yeah, ah. I don't seem like a dog owner at all. And in fact, so far I have not been.

00:13.52

mikebledsoe

No.

00:19.17

mikebledsoe

What did she do to you.

00:22.92

Max Shank

Made me an offer I couldn't refuse I guess I mean it's it's funny. Um, we talk about basically on this show. We talk about benevolent selfishness not in so many words, but basically do as good for yourself as you can. Well doing good for other folks and I've never wanted to have the responsibility required but I love dogs. Someone brings a dog into the gym and I'll just play with it the whole time I'll completely ignore the people right? but. I don't know there's a really nice, beautiful connection between beings between a person and a dog and Lindsay my special lady friend. She ah she just fell in love with this dog right. And I watch the two of them together I'm like man I don't want to because Lindsay and I cohabitate so I don't want to stand in the way of that so I was like ah I guess you can have a dog and it can live at the house but outside basically and then. Within 1 trip. Um, it was put on the table like we should take her her brother also so a pair of dogs and that seemed really nice and i. Kind of started to question all the resistance I've had toward that because resistance is a funny thing. It's either the exact right thing and in fact, you should experience a lot of resistance toward stupid risky behavior ah like jumping off cliffs. With no safety equipment. It's not really a reward there. The resistance to do that is is a good thing. It's a safety mechanism but basically ah I thought it would be good to to shake things up a little bit might as well go to instead of one also is. My thanking.

02:32.35

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think it's kind of like it's probably easier have 1 or 2 kids instead of 1

02:41.43

Max Shank

It's like ah, an energy balancing thing I feel like um, it's ah, a boy and a girl puppy and of of course I'm a boy and my lady is a girl I shouldn't say of course I mean who knows I could be whatever I want to be but it's like ah it feels like a good.

02:55.73

mikebledsoe

It's right can make it up anytime you want.

02:59.18

Max Shank

Yin Yin and Yang balancing so husky pomeranian mutts they're adorable. They're the cutest dogs ever seen. Yeah, one of them is and 1 of them is not.

03:00.66

mikebledsoe

Yeah I love that what kind dogs are these.

03:08.70

mikebledsoe

Wow They probably are furry.

03:17.77

Max Shank

It's they would don't even look like they're from the same litter.

03:18.69

mikebledsoe

Ah, interesting. Yeah, we're looking to getting a dog I think we're gonna end up getting a pit. We want to get like a big tough dog and like a little tiny. Yeah and then I have like a little tiny Yipper you know.

03:22.26

Max Shank

1 1

03:28.67

Max Shank

Ah, defense dog.

03:35.27

Max Shank

like like fuck what's his partner's name like Lenny in of mice and men and then the little shorter smart guy kind of you know I'm talking about ah man it's like ah there are these 2 guy.

03:37.24

mikebledsoe

So.

03:46.78

mikebledsoe

Now.

03:54.39

Max Shank

Someone and Lenny in of mice and men anyone who's read that book and remembers it is laughing right now because Lenny is this ah mentally challenged guy and then there's the who's huge and then there's the much smaller guy who basically. Calls all the shots and Lenny's like I like to pet rabbits and you know that kind of that kind of thing so you got the big. You got the big dog bringing the muscle and then you got the the smart dog.

04:13.33

mikebledsoe

Right? Yeah, yeah, so. Exactly exactly we'll make it work. Yeah um I had an interesting weekend. The ah my my fiance and I did a little couple's Journey. So.

04:25.00

Max Shank

Yeah.

04:38.14

Max Shank

Oh.

04:40.88

mikebledsoe

We took some special medicine. That's really good at opening the heart and creating more connection. So we had an all day experience together. Ah a variation variation which is.

04:46.47

Max Shank

Is that mdma.

04:55.35

Max Shank

Mdma is like hooking up your heart to an electrical socket. So.

05:01.45

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah I took ah a variation of that slightly different. Ah it's it's better for 1 on 1 connections or connection to self if you were to take it in a big group. You would kind of find yourself being a little more hermit versus mdma.

05:11.60

Max Shank

Oh.

05:19.90

mikebledsoe

Where you're going to want to you know, be friends and make love to everybody? Yeah, so um, it's yeah, but.

05:20.70

Max Shank

Love everyone? Yeah right? What a horrible drug. What a horrific side effect you, you're gonna want to love everybody ban. It.

05:35.30

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's really difficult not to love everybody? Um, but it's it's a really good experience for um, you know, even though Ashley and I have had an enormous amount of personal development work and and. Ah, communication work and all these things and and we're probably we're we're definitely in the the point zero one percent of couples on communication and yet even though we're there with sobriety. We use a substance a heart opening substance. And you know we just start digging into areas that we weren't willing to or you know I think I think that these these medicines are so um, things that are really working on the serotonin. You don't really There's there's a level of presence that you're able to stabilize for a period of time there where it allows you to get deep with somebody so beyond just the being really happy and loving There's also a heightened a much heightened level of of presence and so I got to learn a lot. Yeah, a lot of openness. So like.

06:33.91

Max Shank

Oh.

06:42.95

Max Shank

Sounds like openness to yeah.

06:49.50

mikebledsoe

Like I'm open to hearing a prefer experience and she's open to sharing I'm open as open to listening. It's ah it's it goes both ways if 1 of us was using it the other unpleasant we wouldn't get nearly as far. Yeah.

06:51.50

Max Shank

Right.

06:59.15

Max Shank

Huh unless one of you was super enlightened and able to be very open on command I think that's that's why people say that comedians are modern day philosophers. Because that's ironically like None of the only people we listen to because you use humor and it drops a person's guard so it like opens them up in the here and now so they actually take it in rather than lecturing to someone where I don't know if you tried it, people don't love that they they close up.

07:21.81

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so.

07:29.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah now.

07:34.57

Max Shank

Real quick and so that's kind of like a bit of a psychedelic experience for someone to ah catch you off guard with the surprise of humor so much that it rocks your balance off center and so you're like whoa and you just fully like take that. That bit of information in and you know this openness and boundaries thing makes me think about ah the openness to to welcome new lives into my home. It. Ah it feels already like a psychedelic.

07:53.64

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

08:06.10

mikebledsoe

And.

08:12.64

Max Shank

I mean puppies are drugs Man are you kidding me now I'm like gonna love this thing Yo I'm like fucking rocking and rolling right now. It's insane. The fact that I've even accepted this I mean last week I would have never even considered it every time she asked I was like now I'm like I'm a.

08:12.94

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah, you're gonna be high for at least six months you got it? yeah.

08:32.27

Max Shank

I'm a cat I'm a cool cat I'm a fat cat I'm a fucking cat I don't want any other things around I don't want to love anything else. That's why I told her I was like I don't want to love anything else, but it can happen really fast and that openness right? So what you're saying.

08:41.16

mikebledsoe

A Ah yeah.

08:51.30

Max Shank

With the medicine which is ah an exogenous substance. Basically that's taking you to that level of openness that is required for let's just call it complete communication where there's no like. Coversion right? oh.

09:10.10

mikebledsoe

About as complete as you're going to be able to get I mean if there's another more complete way I would love to be you know, be with that. But um, what we so fast. Well here's the thing is like I'm willing to share a lot of things.

09:20.62

Max Shank

So fast too.

09:28.97

mikebledsoe

Because I have some of the things I haven't shared up to this point because I'm afraid of how she'll receive. She'll receive it and when I'm having that experience and feeling this way I'm like well if she were to share if I were gonna were to share something that's triggering now's the time to do it because this't gonna be she.

09:33.90

Max Shank

Ah.

09:42.40

Max Shank

Wait till after you get married man. Forget it.

09:46.60

mikebledsoe

Is when she's gonna be the most open.

09:51.39

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so we had a nice time. It created a lot of closeness. Um and gave us like a really clear vision of where we're currently standing and where we want to go together and.

09:52.88

Max Shank

Ah, just put it off till later. It'll be. It'll be fine.

10:00.45

Max Shank

Yeah.

10:08.66

Max Shank

Whom.

10:10.70

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it was really really beautiful and I mentioned all this because it brought up because I know you and I like to have create distinction and we like to look at the juxtaposition of 2 things and the contrast of things and her and I both really care about.

10:29.40

Max Shank

E f.

10:29.94

mikebledsoe

People right? and we really care about helping people and being of service to people I know you are too and None of the the differentiating factors between how it expresses between her and me which I think expresses similarly amongst a lot of men and women. Is. She tends to really focus in on the individual like how do I how do I help this individual heal or how do I help this individual. You know, live out their best life and all that and whereas I'm much more concerned about humanity as a whole.

10:56.12

Max Shank

Um.

11:02.77

Max Shank

Move.

11:08.39

Max Shank

Totally.

11:08.76

mikebledsoe

How does how are how a society can benefit from how this person is behaving and so what's that what? well yeah, it's.

11:15.53

Max Shank

I can relate I can relate. It's a bit grandiose isn't it I can absolutely relate the that desire ah for for like it's so exactly me too. It's a big difference of scope.

11:26.81

mikebledsoe

Well well, that's where I'm making decisions from it's it's you know like I want to help this person but I'm not going to sacrifice the people around them in order for them to get what they need like they I want them to show up in a way that's good for everybody. Not just for themselves.

11:35.94

Max Shank

Oh.

11:43.53

Max Shank

Oh interesting I I took it to mean like she enjoys helping people 1 on one and you have this vision of being broadly beneficial to you know None or None or something like that. Oh.

11:58.39

mikebledsoe

No, no yeah I think that's I think that's also true. Um, but yeah, my my desire to help there I used to have the desire to help millions of people and and I know I've touched maybe close to that I don't know.

12:03.20

Max Shank

Misunderstood.

12:16.21

mikebledsoe

Ah, with with some type of message.

12:18.77

Max Shank

Depends if you count ricochets which I do and then and then like you've probably affected like a billion people right? I count ricochets. Ah.

12:23.10

mikebledsoe

Totally totally Rick let's count Ricoche's here I'm going to keep that one. Yeah, ah.

12:31.23

Max Shank

Ah, me too that was good that was like a little easter egg for us today.

12:37.11

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so um, ah so I think that men and this isn't you know there are no absolutes here. But I think men in general probably think about humanity as a whole and and women think about the individual and that's probably why women are. Going to be much more compassionate to a single person having that's down on their luck versus a man who's more like you know we need to clean up the streets. You know we look at the we have ah a homeless population in Austin Texas which is um, improving. It's getting smaller because.

13:12.25

Max Shank

Wow.

13:15.21

mikebledsoe

The citizens of Austin got together and voted a little over a year ago to create a camping in the city ban. Um, because years ago the the city decided to make it where people could camp in the city which created.

13:29.17

Max Shank

Yeah.

13:32.37

mikebledsoe

Ah, tent you know several tent cities around town that were just insane and and there's still an issue but you know like we're in the car regularly and these people are on something that's causing them to scream at people that don't exist on the street while holding a sign to try to get.

13:33.78

Max Shank

Um.

13:51.88

mikebledsoe

You to hand them money and um, it's you know and she's like well you know can we help this one person and I'm looking around going. How do we clean this shit up because like you know how much how much do you give this person.

14:00.40

Max Shank

Who.

14:11.52

mikebledsoe

Over time. How much help do you give them before you say look We just gotta push you to the outskirts. We don't know what to do with you like you are your responsibility and you're causing problems for other people so where is that line where we're sacrificing the whole we're sacrificing you know.

14:18.54

Max Shank

Yeah.

14:28.59

mikebledsoe

Many individuals because 1 individual can't get their shit together and it's um so it's it's very interesting to me. Yeah, it's just an interesting place to be is because I I what I'm seeing is if I care about humanity then I have to. Ah.

14:31.95

Max Shank

Totally.

14:47.89

mikebledsoe

The the best place for human the thing that creates the best place for humanity as a whole is when if each each individual is taking on personal responsibility and so.

14:55.80

Max Shank

You see that as just the best option was that the word used. Yeah.

15:02.36

mikebledsoe

It's probably optimal like if if humanity as a whole is going to flourish that would only happen under the circumstance of every individual taking personal responsibility. But what we have is a lot of people caring about.

15:12.41

Max Shank

Yeah.

15:18.71

mikebledsoe

You know the feelings of 1 person and trying to get everybody around them to mold to what they desire sacrificing 20 people to make one person happy. It's very interesting.

15:26.49

Max Shank

Ah, right? Well, it's all about it's all about so our our ah species is the the compassionate caring species now. We're still savage animals like a lizard dinosaur. Ah, baboon right? But we have this super high level of compassion which is the only reason ah and desire for connection emotionally and intellectually which is why people painted on cave walls. And left their handprints. There. There's no reason to do that unless you want another person to see it this desire to like leave your Mark and be part of the tribe and sustain and so that's also very easily leveraged to make absolute bad choices. But ah comparative good choices and it relates back to what we were talking about I think ah, it made me think of ah self versus system and I'm also very much system oriented like I it's hard for me to pick something specific to care about. Because the first thing I do is I see how it's connected to a none other things like like world hunger I always come back to this I'm like how is that even possible world hunger is impossible unless you're fucking with the ecosystem. You know what? I mean.

16:56.77

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

16:58.60

Max Shank

Like there's the right amount of creatures for a certain area or they overeat and then they under reproduce and it like has this normal recycling effect. So if you look at the big system. Totally so the difference between looking at an individual.

17:07.50

mikebledsoe

Ah, the the planet is abundant with food.

17:17.80

Max Shank

Person versus the system I mean look it's not good when someone shoots up a school. Let me be clear I don't think it's good when someone shoots up a school I think it's bad just so there's no confusion here but all but also um, like.

17:28.54

mikebledsoe

Okay, okay.

17:36.28

Max Shank

Let's just shut the fuck up like it becomes such a hot button story but it's such a low amount of the whole system right? So now we're like a fraction of a fraction I mean you could do the math like what's I'm not trying to.

17:45.62

mikebledsoe

Right.

17:54.53

Max Shank

Make light of the situation right? But it's None out of 350000000 people when you know a none are dying of diarrhea or something like that. It's like or fucking mosquitoes are taken out way more people than depressed teenagers with firearms. And so it's like we really don't it's so rare to see people think in systems because ironically the system itself is just taking people on a wave where they care about None thing at a time but they care about it with their whole heart. And they use none of their brain to think about the system at play here and they're like I care about Ukraine this month I care about George Floyd this month I care about police brutality this month or ooh I'm suddenly interested in Afghanistan again because they told me to be like what. What the fuck man I get it.

18:50.75

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well, it's very and it is very interesting because I I don't know if it's just because I'm paying attention in a different way or things are actually have actually sped up the. The news cycle is perfectly paced to keep people distracted and if you try to stick with I'm like Afghanistan right? The Afghanistan issue went on the Afghanistan issue went on way longer than it was reported to have gone on. Ah.

19:13.33

Max Shank

Yeah, a trillion miles an hour

19:26.83

mikebledsoe

News about ukraine is dying off actually a lot of the news is now turning into the Ukrainian troops are are you know hiding in civilians' homes and Civilians are getting killed and they're they're breaking international law. But then the. The journalists are kind of like softening it Up. It's like yeah but they kind of have to and it's like no, that's fucking Illegal. Um.

19:48.42

Max Shank

Um, there's a huge reason like it's so good to just look through an abbreviated version of the amendments like 1 of the None rules is no fucking troops can stay at your house and like these people were smart.

19:55.77

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and that's a Us thing but that's also an international thing.

20:05.91

Max Shank

I Mean these people were smart putting these rules together. So there's there's a reason and and you said it here's how it ah shakes out right? yeah.

20:12.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, things degrade and when troops starts staying in homes and ah you know their job is to protect the population and now they're just putting the population in danger so that the gangsters in charge can win. And yeah.

20:29.70

Max Shank

Martial law mob mob rule.

20:31.51

mikebledsoe

And so yeah, and you know people are just jumping from None thing to another so I'm just pointing out in that news cycle. How like things have to shift in order to keep people distracted and you're right? It keeps them from thinking about the whole system. It keeps them from thinking about. Like why are we always in some type of pickle like the amount of like the fear cycle is just insane and um, you know I don't really? ah.

21:00.27

Max Shank

Because it pays because it because it pays I mean all of this is related to what you said about people making decisions on an individual basis. I mean it's very possible to run a tight ship as a dictator right? but. It doesn't rebalance as quickly or easily as when we're all just adjusting to the natural rhythms right? You vote with what you pay attention to you vote with your dollars you vote with who you spend time with and if you're always.

21:27.14

mikebledsoe

E.

21:36.45

mikebledsoe

It's ah it's a slower. It's a slower and smoother evolution for everybody the the centralized decision making can be very herky jerky it can it can create whiplash and often does.

21:42.81

Max Shank

Yeah, oh no.

21:52.15

mikebledsoe

Yeah, they get results quickly but how much harm is done in the process when when you're decentralizing the decision making like you're talking about it definitely creates slower reaction times but they're usually safer there. Any Danger is. Isolated to a single area and isn't replicated amongst the entire system and um people have a higher level autonomy which means that people are also experiencing the feedback of their behavior in a much tighter system that allows them to become you know, attain more knowledge and wisdom.

22:13.19

Max Shank

Oh.

22:28.26

Max Shank

O.

22:29.87

mikebledsoe

Ah, without being robbed of that by having their decision making diffused over the entire population.

22:35.22

Max Shank

Yeah I really think of it like a shock absorber. Basically ah, it just has more ah more little shock absorbers rather than just 1 linchpin where one guy is calling all the shots and of course it's always the guy who.

22:38.99

mikebledsoe

E.

22:52.93

Max Shank

Desperately wants the big chair and the big stick which coincidentally is the only person who should be disqualified from that position entirely It's just like it's good to remember with all this stuff. It. It is just mob rule based on a popularity contest. Like that's crazy. So I think it's um, maximizing attention but minimizing action. So if you have a news cycle. That's so quickly. Um with writers who know what fucking sets your ah heart and balls aflame ah they're going to. Use the software to even readjust and so there always have something that is commanding a tremendous amount of your attention but they'll never um, give you time to do any action about it. So you you have like None attention and zero percent action which is good if you're. Meditating about your unity with the universe but it's pretty shit if you're like watching people get murdered and bombed and.

23:58.29

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think this puts us in a very precarious situation. So um I think you and I both agree that that the United States as far as a group of people is probably the most advanced. Um, the plan is I say the largest group that's the most advanced politically government wise. It's a big you know 33350000000 people are all participating in a yeah for this.

24:20.30

Max Shank

That's such a huge group. Yeah I would say it has the best infrastructure for the most part.

24:33.36

mikebledsoe

You know, a lot of times people like to compare what's happening like the Netherlands to here or Denmark. It's like it's like those people have like ah like less than 10000000 people in the entire country. We have 330000000 this is a different. It's a different situation. Um.

24:36.20

Max Shank

Or Norway Norway. Yeah, right. Right.

24:50.70

mikebledsoe

But you know just just the fact that our country is based on on a philosophical these philosophical concepts of natural law. You know puts us ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. Um the expression of that. Yeah, so.

25:00.79

Max Shank

And it makes it more difficult. It makes it more difficult because it's a bit of a fractured culture Also like I think one of the things that I think that's why I interrupted you. It's so important I think I shouldn't do it anyway. But it's so important to recognize that.

25:11.63

mikebledsoe

In.

25:18.98

Max Shank

In America. The only thing that united us was a desire for freedom to manifest your own destiny now if that includes you know some native genocide then I think we were basically okay with that at the time not now. But at the time that was okay. But so that's the unifying idea but we don't have a culture like let's say Norway or let's say Japan some examples that I think of off the top my head where that there are so many things that are done that are not done because it's the law. Or even because it's profitable. It's done because that's what that culture does and that sort of unity makes things run way more smoothly.

26:00.68

mikebledsoe

Yeah. Yeah, well and everything comes down to narrative and so what we have in the United States is you know Ah the United States was like the beginning of the decentralization of of power of personal response. Of responsibility. It's a decentralizing of that and it's just continued to decentralize decentralized decentralize and what's happened now is there's been a decentralization of narrative and we have you know human beings for none of years grew up in a. With a lot fewer people a lot fewer interactions. We're exposed to way fewer narratives and variations of that narrative and if you go to somewhere like China or Russia I guarantee you that narrative is pretty fucking tight. There's not a lot of variation from. Whatever the top is telling the bottom and it creates a lot of unity like if everybody were buying into the same narrative. This is what hitler was able to achieve you know at the the early years he unified everybody with a common narrative.

27:02.67

Max Shank

Ah, right.

27:10.45

Max Shank

Totally f.

27:19.96

mikebledsoe

And everything went pretty well until you know he took control of all those people's minds and decided to take it sideways. But this I think a lot of people you know, either consciously or subconsciously are. Upset and I imagine a lot of people in these government agencies with ah a lot of these Intel agencies think that it's their job to create a common narrative to unify everybody even if it is reducing things like freedom of Speech. Um, and we know that by reducing things like freedom of speech that just leads to tyranny. Yeah.

27:58.62

Max Shank

The ends justify the means the ends justify the means I mean whenever you get someone with a grandiose idea like that Hitler Napoleon whatever it doesn't matter. They will. That's why I think orwell said it was the most dangerous type of guy because they think they're. Ah, justified in what they're doing. They think they're the hero so they'll commit atrocities thinking that they're the good guy and then there's no way to work them out of that idea and they think oh god that's why you know with everything happening I'm i. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some really clever people. Ah for good reasons were like we need the world to stop working the way it does because if they believe a story that we are destroying ourselves and the world. Um, you know 7000000000 people plus this giant. Ah, ball or disc. You're on depending on what people are thinking now. Ah the turtle show. Yeah, it's half. It's a half dome. That's a great place to visit by the way half down in Yosemite. Beautiful 10 out of 10 recommend but I would.

29:00.32

mikebledsoe

The turtle show. Um, if.

29:15.37

Max Shank

I could totally get it especially as a systems thinker if I could push a button right now and murder 1000000 people and it guaranteed utopia for the remaining ah billions I would be an asshole not to do it almost right? So if you have that belief.

29:30.59

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

29:34.92

Max Shank

You're like I gotta fucking rape and kill these people for for for the greater good and whenever you hear greater good that that should be like if you hear the word greater Good rest assured you're gonna be bleeding from the Asshole soon. Either literally or metaphorically.

29:53.00

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, so it it becomes concerning because I think that even though America and the ideals that it was founded on is create a situation where we have decentralized narratives and. And infinite narratives and variations of those narratives I mean you've got on. Um one side you've got say something like mainstream media and on the other side you have q and on and q and on is putting out None narrative and in ah in a very convincing way the mainstream. Media is putting out ah narratives and neither one of them are correct and both of them are probably just as far from the truth as the other one is and but then you have all these other variations and ah.

30:42.90

Max Shank

It might be the truth from their perspective by the way like it might be false information but they might believe what they're saying which means they're telling the truth but they're telling a falsehood. Also.

30:50.85

mikebledsoe

Of course. Yeah well I mean I like to define truth is just what has happened and what is happening and people's ideas or perceptions about the truth are are not the truth.

31:06.59

Max Shank

I call that a fact good hard hard to have 1 You can't have a complete one either. That's the problem.

31:08.86

mikebledsoe

So yeah, there you go? Yeah very few people have any facts. Um, yeah. Ah, yeah, so we we we were're in this really strange predicament predicament as americans and what triggered this thought for me was ah the other day China basically cut off like none of. Communication and interaction with the United States and basically said we're not going to participate in our military is communicating and all this stuff. This was ah Friday and I was like oh oh I've been in conflicts before and when one side goes.

31:46.80

Max Shank

How exciting.

31:55.77

mikebledsoe

Silent That's bad juju that's like everybody contracts everybody starts preparing everyone starts wondering who's going to strike first. These are these are these are the thoughts that run across people who are in conflict so people in the military. What do you think.

32:07.40

Max Shank

Winding up.

32:11.66

Max Shank

Move.

32:14.71

mikebledsoe

China Goes silent. What do you think the American military does fucking getting ready just relaxing launch hairs. Yeah yeah, so yeah, just give some space I need some space. Ah but I get thinking about it and I go Wow I look at um, ah.

32:16.51

Max Shank

Probably just just relaxes. No big deal. Yeah, they're fine. Give give them time. Give them some space.

32:34.64

mikebledsoe

You know if you go to say Ukraine right now like there's not a lot of slobs hanging around Ukraine or Russia there there might be some drunks but there's not a bunch of so weak slobs and you come.

32:46.21

Max Shank

Well, they're not a lot of weak people because they just can't be I don't know what you mean by slob but I definitely agree that if you're in an environment that doesn't permit it. It's kind of like that idea about world hunger like if you're in a place you're eating if you're in a really harsh dangerous place. You're tough and you're eating or you're dead. It's like when ah when that Ufc guy. Ah Kabib you remember him and I remember I was just watching because he was like trained in the mountains by his dad who was like a fourth generation. Wrestler.

33:05.10

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so like.

33:24.61

Max Shank

You know and he's just like running up a mountain with boulders when he's like 4 meanwhile you know you could have someone who's raised in Orange County and who's like you know I think I'm going to get into some kickboxing or something like that and they might meet in the same place like in the cage. That's just funny to me.

33:36.98

mikebledsoe

Right. Yeah, no, no and and depending on the sport you know 3 minute rounds the orange county guy might do all right? but I bet if he took it to 20 minute rounds you know we're in a different.

33:44.26

Max Shank

They're like not the same creature. Basically.

33:57.22

Max Shank

Right? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like ah rocky versus Ivan Draggo also right rocky is just training in the barn with big hunks of wood and the other drawgo in the science lab getting injected with stuff and there's like a.

34:00.73

mikebledsoe

In a different place. So ah, yeah, yeah.

34:13.37

mikebledsoe

Yeah, typical russian.

34:17.10

Max Shank

Super computer on the on the wall. Yeah is awesome.

34:20.54

mikebledsoe

Um, did you ever watch ah was it icarus the documentary on the russians doping program. It's really good. It's really good. You should check it out. It's on Netflix. So.

34:29.57

Max Shank

Now sounds amazing.

34:38.22

mikebledsoe

So I look at this and I and I look around in the United States and I'm I'm thinking I mean you and I both have been trying to help these people you know, get their shit together and there's a lot of people that need to get their shit together or it would would it be better for the rest of us if they got their shit together.

34:56.73

Max Shank

Who are we talking about now just people.

34:57.23

mikebledsoe

And um, you know if they did something you know people who think that they're doing their duty by getting a vaccine instead of just taking care of their health. Overall so a lot of fats. There's a lot of slobs getting ah vaccinations instead of just.

35:03.77

Max Shank

Oh shots fired folks to totally.

35:17.10

mikebledsoe

Creating some type of interest about their overall health or learning about how their body works. So.

35:20.26

Max Shank

Yo that that's a shocking funny thing I mean it's tragic also like I never hear I got to get this out though I never hear ads anywhere but I clicked on the radio because I didn't have my like. Ah, phone on Bluetooth It's it when it whatever I'm listening to the radio.

35:38.42

mikebledsoe

He's poor folks easy listening radio.

35:42.69

Max Shank

Ah, and I heard like a fucking a fucking jingle like a little jingle song about how you should get your kids this shot and it's like yo what the fuck I'm I'm just I'm listening to this I'm like are you fucking kidding me. Like how how is this it it sounded like I was listening to mother Goose Barney on sesame street talking about how you should you know fucking inject your None ar old with this experiment for for what the fuck and. Bet a lot of people do that and that thought made me really sad that thought made me really sad because I was like what no don't and and I realize that is what's happening.

36:24.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

36:31.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah, was I think they created laws where like um, serial companies can't make can't target kids with like cartoon advertising. They basically can't advertise sugar cereal to kids anymore.

36:45.97

Max Shank

Yep.

36:50.65

mikebledsoe

But they're doing it with pharmaceuticals which is fucking insane.

36:52.98

Max Shank

Why can we advertise pharmaceutical I mean I'm a hardcore capitalist when I get right down to it. But Jesus Christ like that. But then again, then again you I still have that strong belief that the customer is always right? So it's not too. Ah. Like fight against these companies. It's to illuminate and like help people understand how to apply some logic and I think a big part of it actually relates back to the openness that you and I were talking about you have to be open to not know what's going on to be. To be wrong and you have to be open to the idea that the people who are in charge of both countries and companies may not in fact, be having your best interest at heart. So you got to use your critical thinking a little bit.

37:48.93

mikebledsoe

It's the only thing you have that's gonna that's gonna help you out like you can't rely on other people. Um well going to like ah I'm with you on the whole like you know both by the us being capitalists and that we believe in. Voluntary interaction between individuals and that means if someone is going to create and make a drug then I have every right to purchase that from them and there's no one has the right to get between the None of us on creating that transaction and here's the thing is with the. Pharmaceutical companies in the us. Yes, ah the us and New Zealand I think are the only None countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise at a citizens through media and the rest of the countries don't but here's the thing is not only have they allowed that to happen. Which I think that people should be able to run an ad for anything they want ah but they have also cornered the market. There's an entire agency from the government called the Dea who harass people who are and kill and and jail people.

38:47.82

Max Shank

Agreed agreed.

39:01.64

mikebledsoe

Who are selling drugs that they don't think should be sold and so you have an entire agency that their job is to squash out anything. That's not the pharmaceutical companies. So the pharmaceutical companies have leveraged the violence of government. While also creating deals to be able to market. So. It's a double whammy if you were to say okay, we're going to open up the entire market and everyone can advertise like if I want to advertise my cocaine if I want to advertise whatever it is you know or Lipitor or whatever it is. And that would actually cause people at least should cause people to to activate their critical thinking because now they have to go? Well, what's the difference between these two things and ah. Because right now they think the difference between those 2 things is None is safe and None is not safe and it's not safe or safe based on what somebody else thinks so they don't even think about they don't even think to do the research on it and so there's um so going to. Should people be able to advertise I say yes and we should do away with some people getting preferential treatment from the government that that is giving some people more rights than others.

40:27.39

Max Shank

Agreed and here's how I'm gonna tie it back to what we were discussing about openness and relationships and your experience. So there's this concept of nonviolent communication right? where you're not um.

40:42.55

mikebledsoe

In.

40:46.64

Max Shank

You're not an opponent.. You're a collaborator and in a country or a nation or a state of some kind. Ah they have a system of laws and the law is basically when the violence comes out. So imagine if you're in a relationship. And you have to use the threat of violence to control this party all the time that it's basically like the more you have to use the stick the more fucked you basically are you really shouldn't have to enforce. That many things with violence but ah, nothing is more effective. Certainly imagine if like every discussion you got into with a romantic partner. You were like blah blah blah.

41:34.21

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

41:43.48

Max Shank

Or I'll fucking beat you Yo I've never hit a woman unless she asked me to however, ah, there's like I would win easy in a in a in a fight. Of some kind if that was possible to just be like hey I say this goes or I will beat you like of course if you don't have any critical thinking. You'll just do that every time but it's pretty asshole move. But that's what law is it's like fucking do this or.

42:17.38

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

42:21.47

Max Shank

We will Imprison you or kill you or what the fuck ever and the irony is that it's all of the people who hide away from society the most who are voting the people in to control the people that they're. Afraid of because they're a little too free right? ooh that person might do a bad thing. We need more drugs off the streets. They got to stop with those violent video games. It's like fucking busybodies across the board. But ah you, um, you mentioned a good.

42:40.31

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

42:58.20

Max Shank

Ah, tonic for that realization which is to recognize that there's there's really no such thing as law. It's just consequences right? You do whatever you want? You know you're 100% free to do what you want all the time and there are just consequences right? I find that.

43:14.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, like.

43:17.71

Max Shank

Find that a very ah, comfortable way to live and it's also very accepting too because then you go everyone else is always free to do as they like and talk about the burden. That's off your shoulders because look these people these busybodies These are not happy people.

43:35.29

mikebledsoe

Now.

43:37.17

Max Shank

These might be the most ah mentally ah tortured people ever because they have all this attention. They have no action within their own lives and they're just trying to gain control by leveraging the violence. Of a more powerful entity right? So They're not powerful themselves. They're just trying to diminish everyone else because they're always afraid that someone might do something that that's not a happy person. That's that's no way to go. You know we got Avoidance. We got exposure right.

44:08.57

mikebledsoe

Okay, now.

44:16.98

Max Shank

Avoidance is a path that only leads you to an underground bunker where you are in complete control of the environment. But also you're completely trapped complete exposure is you just have no discernment so you probably walk off of a cliff or get eaten by a tiger or what the fuck ever. But. Um I think part of what makes the slobs or the weak people is they engage in a little too much avoidance and not enough exposure.

44:44.97

mikebledsoe

Yeah, agree.

44:51.78

mikebledsoe

Out of thought that I lost but it'll come now we talked about um, rejection or acceptance tolerant. Yeah.

44:54.27

Max Shank

Is it about openness and acceptance we talked about that last week right the difference between tolerance. Yeah I mean it's this is a perfect example of that.

45:09.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah I.

45:18.82

Max Shank

Comes come.

45:19.49

mikebledsoe

This this cuts out the pauses. That's okay, if we pause.

45:25.12

Max Shank

In my normal life I do way more and longer pauses than on a podcast.

45:33.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

45:38.96

Max Shank

Also have a different agenda.

45:50.20

Max Shank

So what did you learn from your experience the one you were telling me about. Yeah.

45:53.33

mikebledsoe

Which one with my lady. Um I learned a lot I learned that you know we we we we. Did a question prompt which was tell me a story I wrote it up on a chalkboard tell me a story about a time you felt fulfilled and then just kept asking each other about stories of fulfillment and looking for patterns and so.

46:22.51

Max Shank

Oh.

46:28.61

Max Shank

Ah.

46:31.46

mikebledsoe

Um, was like oh okay I see a pattern of fulfillment for myself I see a pattern of fulfillment for her. It's like okay if we want to experience more fulfillment moving forward. We should probably do things that are similar to what made us fulfilled in the past and.

46:47.95

Max Shank

A.

46:50.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's definitely patterns of that that was that was really cool to dive into you don't have to take anything to answer these questions or journal about that. But um, it does help and so that was really really beautiful.

46:58.46

Max Shank

A.

47:07.76

mikebledsoe

None of the things I want to I want to cut back over to is my concern and ah, we're kind of jumping back and forth. But my concern is we have ah an entire country of people who. Can't agree on a single narrative or even 2 or 3 narratives and then you have countries like Russia and China who have that single narrative and even though we may be because society progresses and as the pendulum swings between organization and chaos.

47:42.21

Max Shank

Boom.

47:44.24

mikebledsoe

Definitely in a chaotic place and when we're experiencing chaos. It's a great time for someone else who's experiencing organization to take advantage of the people who are in chaos. So that's my one concern is even though we're we are advancing. We are weak during the advancement and um, you know when I heard the news that China Cut Off Communications I was like ah you know I've never seen the country more divided what a what a perfect time to.

48:14.98

Max Shank

Oh.

48:20.50

mikebledsoe

To pull out more tricks.

48:21.19

Max Shank

So when you say concern. Ah, that's like ah low grade fear perhaps of something specific ah happening because of that lack of open and ah.

48:40.71

mikebledsoe

Yeah, absolutely got it? Yeah yeah, yeah.

48:41.80

Max Shank

Congruent communication. So you're concerned maybe about like war. Yeah yeah, War is not that Cool. You know how earlier I was like really anti-school Shootings I'm also very anti-war. I Know it's a bold stance to take.

49:03.89

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, Wars Funny man. It's just um, people just not getting along people people wanting to rule over ah over other people is what it comes down to.

49:16.50

Max Shank

You know one of the one of the most consistent thoughts I've had is like you know when you're a kid at least in my experience when you're a kid and you see None people fighting and you know there's no need for them to be fighting. Like you have this perspective where them fighting is retarded. It's stupid. There's no need for it. You know you have this unique perspective where you can see what each of them want but neither of them can see what they want. Like they're just blinded in this like cloud of dust and one of the most prevailing thoughts I've had as an adult has been this. This is just ah, a failure to communicate everybody needs to just settle down like relax. We all want basically the same thing but it's it's so surprising. That's the most lasting idea it just seems so unnecessary for people to speak to each other with such venom and it seems like. All these disagreements are basically manufactured. Um, yeah, it's ah I used to get really sad about that honestly and now I I kind of like that. Ah, that quote that ends up. Where you try to change your nation realize you can't try to change your city realize you can't try to change your family realize you can't try to change yourself and you're like man if only I'd done this sooner. It would have had that ricochet effect on out and ah. Mentioned in the past how the the distance between your zone of awareness and zone of control is like your feeling of powerlessness. So if you're aware of like a thousand problems globally which is like I don't know whatever. Twenty Thousand Miles Pi are cubed or squared or some shit like that I don't fucking know I don't I don't remember surface area of a sphere right now but your control area is very small. It's like five feet versus you know. None of Square Miles

51:45.30

mikebledsoe

Totally I've um, I've been experiencing like the the most grounded groundedness I've had in my entire life the last year and a half I just get more and more grounded and one of the results of getting more and more grounded is. Getting much more in touch with that reality of the only thing I can change is me and ah mikeness. Yeah, yeah, well because before I was had some grandiose thoughts about how I could make a.

52:04.85

Max Shank

Of this.

52:13.78

Max Shank

It's an it's a type of accept acceptance I think.

52:23.55

mikebledsoe

You know, a really big impact by you know, being really influential and and you know having a lot of followers or whatever. Yeah, like I know what to do.

52:30.88

Max Shank

I'll fix it I'll fix it. That was what I thought I'll I'll fix it and then ah I'm like I'm like just like those ah fucking grandiose big chair guys. It's like the same thing I Just don't want a big chair I'll fix it I'll fix it.

52:40.86

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, just do what I tell you to do ah so fuck your ideas. So you know I um I just got become less and less concerned.

52:47.54

Max Shank

Yeah.

53:00.12

mikebledsoe

I keep up with what's going on I don't let it dominate my my thinking you know it's 1 thing to have awareness or to learn of what's going on around the world. It's another thing that dwell on it. Um, and I become much more focused on what I can impact immediately like you know how.

53:03.76

Max Shank

So.

53:20.20

mikebledsoe

Comfortable Can I make my home. That's a sanctuary instead of you know, trying to worry about like I don't care if I drive a fancy car I need where I spend the most time at my home people come to my home people come to my home and they go Wow this.

53:22.79

Max Shank

Ah.

53:29.29

Max Shank

Right? You got different values.

53:39.45

mikebledsoe

Place is really nice and comfortable. It's not It's not a big expensive home. It's ah it's a moderate home. It's a middle class home. Ah, but it's not but we've created a vibe inside that just. Very welcoming and peaceful and calm and so Ashley and I when we go out in the world. We we have this calmness and peacefulness about us and people they want to know how we do things and you know we get really strong reflections about us. And the thing is neither one of us are going out to try to teach people how to be much I mean this is about the extent of it right? Ah put a band man. Yeah there you go.

54:21.53

Max Shank

What is a good man but a bad man's Teacher. What is a bad man but a good man's job.

54:32.36

mikebledsoe

Ah, so you know the the thing that I keep circling ah since becoming more grounded is really the idea of leading. By example, if I'm not if I'm not happy with how other people are behaving then who I want.

54:45.84

Max Shank

5

54:51.40

mikebledsoe

Everyone else to be I have not fully embodied myself in a way that it's noticeable or I haven't done it long enough or repeated the behavior enough for people to take note or the benefits of taking those behaviors I haven't been doing it enough in order for people to take note but I'll tell you. That the majority of benefit that I that I think I have helped people achieve has been through modeling and because people learn through modeling they create their desires are created because of modeling and and.

55:25.57

Max Shank

Absolutely.

55:29.40

mikebledsoe

For me to think that I said something in particular to get somebody to a specific goal is that is incorrect. You know if I if I wasn't living my life a certain way. People wouldn't give a shit about the words that I was using and in fact, they're probably modeling.

55:38.91

Max Shank

On.

55:48.47

mikebledsoe

A lot of my behavior but are giving credit to the words that I use because people people want. That's the logical things like oh I heard this thing and then I put it in place and now that's logical. But I think.

55:55.16

Max Shank

Ah, well, you're.

56:03.60

Max Shank

I fixed it I fixed it and what it's what's funny is by being a model you unburden yourself of the responsibility of getting them to behave a certain way and you're not burdening them with a fucking command.

56:05.74

mikebledsoe

Most who are learning through modeling.

56:17.29

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

56:23.29

Max Shank

So You are completely unburdened. Ah because you're not trying to force them to be a certain way or manipulate them to be a certain way. People think the word manipulate has a lot of a negative connotation and it does but really, that's all we do. Is we manipulate the world and people for our benefit and sometimes for others.

56:41.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think well I had a conversation with a woman yesterday about this. She was talking about manipulation I was like well I like to create the distinction between influence and manipulation and ah in it with influence I am I am.

56:50.23

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

57:00.75

mikebledsoe

Making somebody else more informed about something so that they can make a better choice for themselves. Manipulation is I'm likely trying to make them less informed or confuse them in a way so that they'll do do the behavior I'll do not because they have ah a greater understanding.

57:04.25

Max Shank

The.

57:20.37

mikebledsoe

So that's yeah, so it's like instead of thinking about it as just like a spectrum of manipulation and say no manipulation is this thing and influences this thing they're very different in my mind So when I'm approaching people. The question I have to ask myself is you know.

57:20.83

Max Shank

It's like fraud. Yeah.

57:31.10

Max Shank

Yeah, yeah.

57:38.41

mikebledsoe

If you're if you're going out and you're going to talk to a girl are you are you practicing influence on the date or are you manipulating And yeah, that wasn't for you that wasn't for you. Um.

57:45.79

Max Shank

Manipulating for sure I mean wait wait that was oh that was a rhetorical question. Got it? Yeah oh got it I mean I.

57:53.95

mikebledsoe

Yeah, but I mean this happens a lot and like people talk about marketing and they're like they're like oh marketing is so manipulative I'm like well what kind of marketing are you doing? Are you.

58:04.31

Max Shank

That's why I bring up machiavelli do the ends justify the means if you believe in a product this is an easy argument to make if you believe in a product you should be willing to say anything to sell as many as possible. That's one way of looking at it so you could totally. Ah. Forgive psychologically ah any kind of what might be considered a dirty tactic but I want to ah touch on something None things actually before we move on 1 one of the things that is taken away one of the burdens that's relieved by just being the example. Is. You're not lusting after your own acceptance I'm gonna say that again. So you're not lusting after your own acceptance because what you're doing is you are looking to have someone say you fixed it or you did it. Or whatever. So instead of lusting after that now that desire's gone and if you look at it from a zen buddhist ah framework that desire being gone is going to bring you a lot more peace and a lot more clarity and a lot more flow. You're not going to feel that burden like. Oh I got to I got to like remind myself that I'm good by helping this guy and then another thing you said, um, that was related to being the example and you said it to me like ah.

59:23.62

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

59:36.73

Max Shank

It was at your house out here. It was a long time ago. It was like maybe five to seven years ago and yeah, he's been enlightened for a long time. Ah you you it was just about it just was one of those times where I was very receptive and I listened and i.

59:43.17

mikebledsoe

I've been enlightened for a while. All.

59:53.98

Max Shank

Started putting it into practice. A lot was I stopped listening as much to what people were saying and more focused on how they were being and now what I'll do sometimes is I'll I'll just try to listen to the noise that someone's making and look at their posture.

01:00:10.37

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:00:11.72

Max Shank

And I'll try to look beyond the words and see do they go up and down and up and down with their talk and ah du and is their music ah did and you see how the how that flow is kind of coming out. Ah it's It's really interesting to see how people are being. Ah. Because I think that's actually a lot more honest than what that because people are very tricky like have you ever Seen. Ah a really good actor fucking say any word combination and their expression on their face will trick the shit out of me my god.

01:00:46.28

mikebledsoe

That it's insane. Insane. Oh yeah, the the tonality thing is interesting. So your time about body language. Um, you know if somebody has really poor posture hunched over. Um I start I start.

01:00:49.99

Max Shank

Yeah.

01:00:56.98

Max Shank

And.

01:01:04.88

mikebledsoe

Noticing when they're more hunched or more open which may be rare that they're open. But oh wow they they don't feel safe or they have a history of not feeling safe and they just haven't had the physical restoration of their body. Um.

01:01:06.16

Max Shank

O m.

01:01:14.94

Max Shank

The.

01:01:23.46

mikebledsoe

It' not like like whatever is happening energetically takes a lot longer to manifest physically. And yeah me too.

01:01:29.28

Max Shank

I Used to cross my arms all the time all the time all the time and I would do that thing where you flex your knuckles into your arms from the from the back so that ah your biceps look a little bigger and your little forearm. Extensor muscles look bigger so you get these? Ah, It's like the standard personal trainer photo and I look back at I look back at all these photos I took and every single one I've got like fucking sunglasses ah under armor ah shirt that's skin tight. And my arms are crossed and I'm like that guy doesn't want anyone to know who he is that guy So now I'm super sensitive to it I notice when I see people cross their arms I think it's a really funky posture the the arm crop. Yeah.

01:02:10.62

mikebledsoe

Be yeah, exactly just.

01:02:23.65

mikebledsoe

We're putting the hands in pockets too.

01:02:27.00

Max Shank

What what do you do with your hands though. You can't just be like Ricky Bobby like I don't know what to do with them.

01:02:31.45

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's something about and there's a military thing. There's no hands in the pockets. Um, and what I noticed from years of not hanging out with hands in my pockets is. There's.

01:02:37.26

Max Shank

Yeah, yeah, 1

01:02:47.69

mikebledsoe

Hands in the pockets is a really safe place to put your hands when you're insecure about like having a more open posture. It's like it's like halfway open and yeah it is kind of strange sometimes I I have to find things to do with my hands every once in a while I'll let myself put my hands into my pocket.

01:02:56.22

Max Shank

Yeah, interesting.

01:03:06.46

mikebledsoe

Only when I know that um you know it's not coming from a place of insecurity. It's like I'm hanging out my friends I just feel like putting my hands in my pocket I'm gonna fucking do it but it it is something that I was I overdid until I couldn't do it anymore and then that's when I recognized oh this is something that.

01:03:10.34

Max Shank

Yeah.

01:03:20.31

Max Shank

What.

01:03:26.63

mikebledsoe

It's a safety you know it's my safety blanket to put my hands in my pockets and kind of hard to be ready for shit when your hands in the pockets when you want to you want to be running down the road.

01:03:30.20

Max Shank

That kind of curiosity Impossible I mean unless you got something good in there then it's even better.

01:03:41.66

mikebledsoe

Running down the road with your hands in your pockets. That's that's when people knock their teeth out. No.

01:03:42.17

Max Shank

Oh yeah, yeah, that's not good, but if you got something interesting in your pocket and could be a great spot. Hey now. Um, yeah I think.

01:03:50.27

mikebledsoe

I've always got some interesting in there. So.

01:03:58.80

Max Shank

The curiosity we're talking about about posture I mean look it's no, It's no mystery that you and I are are nerds about things like this about communication about the way the body moves about integrating the body mind heart The rest of them Chakras and so. I Think that's one of those things that can accelerate that openness if you so curiosity is such a ah powerful force of moving into the Unknown. It's the difference between the unknown being scary and the unknown being exciting. And interesting. It's like an a curious is an opportunity forward right? It's the exact opposite of fear right? which is like ah a threat an unknown threat oncoming versus an unknown opportunity oncoming. And we're talking about using different medicines to do that. The other option is to be extremely invested into what you and I are talking about. So I Think that's one of the things that is attractive about using different medicines like I'm. I'm ah experimenting with some puppy medicine right now I have a feeling it's going to ah increase openness probably patience Positivity Ah love Perhaps I I don't know yet. It'll be really interesting to see how that. Changes my paradigm but I think that's really the the pull of those different medicines psychedelics. Whatever cocktail you and your witch doctor can concoct um, is because it can. Increase your connection and alleviate burdens very quickly. It's like you can either get high by doing breathing exercises and going for a run or you can get high by smoking some cannabis or crack or something like that. You know there are a lot of there are a lot of ways to do it. Sometimes you just have something That's a little more push button so to speak and short term. Well but the effects are long term a lot of the time I mean the walls aren't melting forever.

01:06:12.79

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and short term. Totally totally if done well now that would be terrible.

01:06:26.20

Max Shank

Thankfully, but but you get the you get the alleviation of some of that that guard that dropping of the guard and openness is what allows you to. See some of the filters that you've put on kind of coming back to the stories like I feel sad when I talk to people and I see them hardcore into one narrative or the other because you know, um, there's basically nothing you can say that will resolve that and I I Think. Can pick up on queues and I know a lot of weird facts. But ah once someone's locked into a narrative like that. It's very tricky to get out unless they themselves are getting curious and then you have a chance to take away some of those layers but I think sometimes.

01:07:15.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:07:22.89

Max Shank

Using those substances can sort of accelerate that process.

01:07:25.50

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, it causes a can cause a pattern interrupt I think most people that they're in a pattern that whatever narrative they're in is a pattern of thinking feeling behaving and most people no matter how much. Information may be counter to you know this being a good idea or or whatever they can't seem to break it until there's a pattern interrupt you know, somebody somebody ends up with heart disease or cancer or something like that like wakes some of its pattern interrupt is like oh I can't keep eating the banas.

01:08:00.40

Max Shank

Car accident for my mom car accident changed her life. She wasn't injured the car was totaled but ah the whole trajectory of her life changed and she was in her fifty s I mean she was already like a fully baked human so to speak.

01:08:04.25

mikebledsoe

Car accident. Yeah.

01:08:12.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, so as it it.

01:08:19.90

Max Shank

So anything that changes. It's kind of like the only absolute is relativity so you and I our stories are just in relation to everything that we understand so we're like part of a ah net and um so I think we're like None musical note. And when you get together with ah lsd you strike a different chord than if you do heroin and if you hang out with puppies or if you drink coffee like I I drink coffee basically daily um some sometimes I'll skip for like a week or something like that. But I've been pretty. Hot on coffee for at least like six months now and I I enjoy it It's just a different ah chord. You know I'm a note coffee's a note boom play them at the same time. That's this different type of resonance and everybody needs and likes different things like these two puppies. Different personalities. None person should have coffee None person should probably do a microdose mushrooms or something like that. There's not a one size fits all for everybody which is also why those ah dictatorships inevitably piss off so many people. Because not everybody wants the same sized solution right.

01:09:36.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:09:40.82

Max Shank

Who So here's what I'm thinking I think we want to do a show about ah all the stuff that we like and I want to do a show called unfair advantages.

01:09:42.14

mikebledsoe

And we should wrap this up.

01:09:54.23

mikebledsoe

I Think we were talking about that last show and I forgot that unfair advantages and what else.

01:09:58.97

Max Shank

I'm all about it it like man. It's totally unfair. Ah just a show about stuff We like we. We just only talk about stuff we like I would love it.

01:10:07.89

mikebledsoe

Ah I think people would actually love that I think that would be. There's so many things that I love that I want to share with people that sometimes I'll share something I love and they're like oh man. Um, and I realized I wish I could have gotten this information to this person sooner or so many things.

01:10:16.40

Max Shank

Yeah.

01:10:24.38

Max Shank

Totally yeah, all right? Yeah so I think that'll be good ah man that was fun. What are what's what's our take home message today really curiosity openness.

01:10:27.24

mikebledsoe

Yeah, all right I'll make a list I Like that idea.

01:10:39.80

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah I think there's ah, there's a thread of communication and violence and the better we can communicate the the less we may experience violence there was a term that you were discussing which is. You know, releasing the burden and the phrase that came to my mind was unburdened leadership so leading by example is an unburdened way of being a leader and I think I'll name a show that and so so how do you be a leader without feeling all that burden.

01:11:04.10

Max Shank

Um, who I like it right.

01:11:18.85

mikebledsoe

Just lead by example and mind your own business seems pretty pretty easy. So those are my big takeaways from today's show

01:11:20.55

Max Shank

Yeah.

01:11:26.73

Max Shank

Yeah, and get curious about why you might be holding onto the rein so tight like like follow it down with the five Y's like why am I trying to control so hard on this ah closedness it was something I examined myself with dogs. Um.

01:11:40.29

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah.

01:11:46.69

Max Shank

Like I had I had always resisted it super heavy and I was like well why? what? What am I really afraid of here and is ah it's good curiosity and unburdened leadership I think are yeah, that's good if you can do that Honestly, you'd be.

01:11:53.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:12:03.77

Max Shank

Way better off and then Mike and I can feel good because we will have helped you and the ricochets will carry em off through our entire society and then we will finally be good. So thank you guys for listening. Love you guys! Love you Mike bye.

01:12:23.35

mikebledsoe

Legit. Love you Max Talk later.

Aug 4, 2022

John Beneduce is no stranger to adversity & challenges. In fact, he actively seeks them out as he knows how important they are in helping him grow

 

It’s safe to say society is “prepping us to fight”. And if so, this man is one of the best to learn from

Aug 1, 2022

00:00.33

mikebledsoe

Yes, I was just writing I was doing my books waiting on that max here and.

00:01.00

Max Shank

Oh.

00:07.77

Max Shank

We were just saying. It's nothing like a ah novel. It's nothing like a ah book. But that's how it all really began was we wanted to write down that you owe me 10 goats and I owe you. My daughter's hand in marriage when she comes of age or something like that right? it's it's Contracts. It's contracts. Basically I O use.

00:25.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah I remember. Ah yeah, it's a recording of of transactions so recording of contracts agreements the I remember um watching my.

00:42.30

Max Shank

It's like the word record you record a record.

00:44.30

mikebledsoe

yeah yeah I remember watching my dad do the books for his business back in like you know the 80 s and 90 s you know I wasn't I wasn't aware enough to know what he was doing until probably the early 90 s but ah.

00:49.82

Max Shank

Yeah. E.

01:03.41

mikebledsoe

Yeah I just remember him like having an actual book of things and and writing in the ledger where the money went and this not I Just remember like that was the most frustrated I ever saw him like.

01:11.51

Max Shank

Oh.

01:18.76

Max Shank

Is.

01:20.69

mikebledsoe

Like the guy. The guy's a craftsman right? He he was a craftsman and so like ah he was a builder like he did a lot of ah home improvements but also built these really amazing cabins from scratch and yeah.

01:24.29

Max Shank

What craft.

01:36.18

Max Shank

No shit building a cabin from scratch is like a really cool thing I think now that's what I think is cool now I think that is cool now I used to think lifting something really really big over your head was super cool.

01:39.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so he was.

01:43.13

mikebledsoe

Totally.

01:52.25

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, yeah.

01:55.28

Max Shank

And it still kind of is but now making your own cabin from scratch that is fricking cool.

02:01.27

mikebledsoe

Well, it's interesting because you know he was so gifted at that and then because he wanted to do things the way he wanted to do them meant that he was going to own his own business which then came with all these other ah requirements. Ah, for.

02:18.27

Max Shank

Who.

02:20.53

mikebledsoe

To do that because and really the only reason is required is because you have to pay taxes. Other than that you you wouldn't actually have to maintain books. It'd probably be beneficial to maintain books to maintain a ah record of of your transactions and all that stuff.

02:31.97

Max Shank

Yeah.

02:37.60

mikebledsoe

But I think a guy like that would have done better just to have been winging it the whole time and put more of his attention into what he was actually skilled at.

02:45.24

Max Shank

Man that speaks so much to me because we could talk about this probably all day right? where these different personality types crazy thrive in one way and then really struggle in another way and it's like how do you. Compound and multiply your zone of Genius while minimizing the damage of one of these let's just call it a ah deficit or or just like a ah simple lack of desire to do you know back in the day if if you went out on the hunt.

03:15.51

mikebledsoe

Um, what.

03:22.60

Max Shank

Crafting is like a version of hunting or gathering kind of you can make that that leap it's about energy transformation and generation. Ah, there was no need to really keep a record because you either came home with food or you did not. There's no like little book. Oh I can.

03:35.72

mikebledsoe

Right.

03:41.83

Max Shank

Didn't get food again today. It's like no, we all know.

03:43.47

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think the only like thinking ahead that people had to do early on was if you lived up North you had to think about the seasons changing but aside from that you know if the the closer you move to the equator the less.

03:53.97

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

04:01.48

mikebledsoe

You really have to keep a record or think about much of the past or the future. It really is about. Did you bring home a kill today or did you find some food today or are we warm. Are we comfortable today? Yeah, so yeah, the um I you know what I I find to be interesting is.

04:10.29

Max Shank

Right.

04:21.38

mikebledsoe

I avoided doing the books in my business I avoided doing bookkeeping anything with finance at all and so ah, a little over a year ago I decided to I was talking to a friend I was talking to a friend like two and a half years ago and he was like well.

04:27.48

Max Shank

It. Ah.

04:40.29

mikebledsoe

You know you've never done your books I go no he goes you should probably do your books at some point just so you you know what's happening in the business like at a very granular level and I go I go. Okay, he goes I Still do my books and he's he runs multiple companies and.

04:47.89

Max Shank

I.

04:58.20

mikebledsoe

This and that definitely a different personality than I am right? but but he was right. There was a there was a there was something about the business I didn't quite understand yes I could get by without it I didn't need to do it. But if I rip.

05:00.86

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

05:09.86

Max Shank

Um, well, you're a star Mike you can make it you can make it work even if it's not a good plan and I can relate.

05:23.74

mikebledsoe

It's how you broke up for a None

05:24.72

Max Shank

Oh you can make a good plan Work. You can make a bad plan work. Ah, just because you have those skills and I can super relate to that and when you're ah less wise you trick yourself into thinking. That you had a good plan but really, you had a shit plan and you just happened to pull a miracle out of your ass.

05:48.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's a pattern of behavior if you were to look back that the ah and it it is. It's like my whole family The ah the whole family. There was a saying growing up was like a ble so could fall into a pile of shit and still smell like a rose.

05:57.65

Max Shank

But.

06:08.40

mikebledsoe

like like 1 of those like we would put ourselves in these predicaments. But somehow we'd fucking escape. Yeah yeah, and it was kind of like a running joke. But the the thing is is when that is true when that's happened enough times. It starts.

06:14.20

Max Shank

Find the shower. Yeah.

06:22.76

Max Shank

Oh.

06:27.66

mikebledsoe

It's It's hard to make planning important when not planning you still get pretty good Results. Maybe not the ultimate result you're looking for but pretty good results and I think most people have ah they have developed some type. Of something in their personality ah patterns of behavior in their life where they have continued to get a reward and so that's why they keep behaving that way even though there might be some people saying hey you might want to try it this other way. It's like why would I listen to somebody suggesting to do it another way unless my weight. Hasn't been working but what happens is as we get to a certain point that has happened with me. It's like I keep butting up against the same ceiling right? It's like oh every time I try to make more than this amount of money I hit the ceiling every time I do this I hit a ceiling and or every time I have a certain goal I hit a ceiling in the in.

07:17.28

Max Shank

Oh.

07:22.65

Max Shank

On.

07:27.70

mikebledsoe

Reason is because the thing that got me to where I am now is probably the thing that's going to hold me back moving forward and I'm ah I'm a huge fan of of ah knowing your weaknesses and studying it.

07:33.46

Max Shank

Interesting idea.

07:46.19

mikebledsoe

A little bit just so you know what you don't know like I I do I learn enough about finance so that I know how to I can at least spot the Bs I can tell if somebody else knows what they're talking about. But if I don't know anything about it and I just straight up delegate it Out. I I think that's dangerous because I've done that before and gotten burned. How about you have you had like business partnerships and stuff like that where like not necessarily because somebody burned you. But.

08:12.67

Max Shank

Um, like you repeat that you you receive you repeat the same pattern is that what you're asking or.

08:18.90

mikebledsoe

No, no, no like if you don't know enough about a task that you have not developed yourself and say you completely outsource that task That's that's a problem.

08:29.86

Max Shank

Oh yeah, yeah, you put something you put something outside of your observation and and it leaves you vulnerable in in several ways I know at Discount Tire They don't promote anyone from the outside. It's only from the um.

08:47.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um.

08:49.31

Max Shank

The bottom up the whole thing and it's all about knowing every part of the process. Ah dude, you've said so many things that I want to respond to I took a couple notes here and the first one was ah in relation to the the bookkeeping. It's like.

09:01.15

mikebledsoe

You.

09:07.88

Max Shank

Reminded me immediately of the word intuitive eating and intuitive movement. So now we have intu intuitive finances. Ah here here on our show. We do intuitive finance is a new course coming out featuring ah featuring ah the.

09:19.79

mikebledsoe

Let me go see if that domain's available.

09:26.96

Max Shank

The crypto prince Mike Bledso and the ah the dinosaur.

09:29.82

mikebledsoe

Um, there's like so many domains I have to buy right now just spitting them out. Yeah.

09:35.97

Max Shank

Totally all right? So check it, you have intuitive eating and intuitive movement people are probably familiar with those terms but None of the things I was talking with my buddy about ah we're like man how are you shouldn't do. Intuitive eating if you suck like if you don't have knowledge and skills like intuitive eating is for sure the best way I would I mean it's a bold claim intuitive eating can be wonderful but you but also you need to have.

10:05.30

mikebledsoe

Well, you have to be in touch with your intuition for it to work for 1

10:14.61

Max Shank

Some understanding of what is in the food like you can't if you go on just like pure ah like gut reaction. You're just going to eat ah like chips and soda pop all day long because it's delicious. So with finances you dig into the books a little bit.

10:17.74

mikebledsoe

By the way.

10:34.52

Max Shank

Now you might have a chance to approach something. That's a little bit more intuitive because now you have that vocabulary that ah understanding of the elements right? So that was the None thing I thought of um, it made me laugh.

10:50.14

mikebledsoe

Let's you got to have this structure. You have to have this structure in order to flow and like an intuition and flow go hand in hand. Yeah, exactly.

10:55.40

Max Shank

Right? We're talking about that last week right we were talking about that last week. The pipes are the structure and it harnesses the flow in the direction you want it to go ah and then the other thing that was interesting. We were talking about how? ah. A good outcome doesn't mean you had a good plan and if you're a super achiever guy. You can basically make a bad plan work and you don't want to conflate those 2 you don't want to confuse those things and think oh my plan was good. Really no, you're a stud but your plan sucks and so that's kind of. Looking at those weaknesses and then finally um, the the the identity perpetuating patterns is a funny one to me like if you ah I don't I don't know if this is true. It feels kind of true to me. But if you pride yourself and you label yourself as someone who's extremely tough who can take a lot of punishment and get back up every time they fall down. I have this idea that life is going to feed you more of that. What do you What do you think about that your identity perpetuating your reality.

12:15.37

mikebledsoe

Um, oh yeah, absolutely the? Ah ah well what we have to talk about the reticular activating system in this case and ah the RAS as a part of the brain.

12:27.38

Max Shank

Save the 10 dollars words for another podcast you son of a bitch.

12:34.80

mikebledsoe

Is responsible for so spotting things. So for instance, um, if I go buy a red pickup truck. What am I going to see a lot of on the road red pickup truck. We all know this we've all heard you know and we've all had the experience of.

12:35.99

Max Shank

Fucking nerd.

12:45.98

Max Shank

You.

12:52.32

mikebledsoe

We become interested in something and then all of a sudden we we start seeing it everywhere and we see it's a sign. Um and and so ah, the same thing happens with identity. If we believe something about ourselves and I like the way you talk about identity max which is you know the story we tell ourselves about ourselves if we that is our identity and we have this story about what is true I also like to think about what we believe to be true about ourselves and what we believe to be true about the world. Those are the None big things to have beliefs about right? It's either a belief about self or belief.

13:28.64

Max Shank

Yeah, maybe that's what encompasses your identity right? is your place in the world. Also it's not just the label you attach to yourself. It's um, there's that classic phrase is you know. Life is happening for you. Some people believe and some people believe life happens to you I used to start off asking people questions like ah do you feel Life is more like a game a show or a ride I used to start all my like coaching programs with these weird.

13:47.29

mikebledsoe

Right.

14:07.70

Max Shank

Questions and then I'd ask people what the word intelligent means and people would stumble all over it and have no clue what smart even means and it was just like this fun thing but depending on how you see life if you see life is more like a ride you might have a hell of a wild and awesome ride. But it's going to be different than someone who thinks they are playing a game that they must win right? It's going to be huge difference.

14:27.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, totally yeah, right is passive that it's happening and there's not much I'm going to do um, a game I'm an active participant. It might be great. Ah.

14:36.17

Max Shank

Um, and it might be great. It might be great. The the thing is like I want to I make sure that people understand I'm not trying to say that one is superior although I love games and winning is fun. Winning isn't everything. But it's the only thing right? There's that all like ah but I've I've met people who live life like it's a ride and they they do well and they're very happy and I've seen people who. Live life like a game and it's a real challenge the whole time and it doesn't look as far and vice versa. So There's quadrants you know.

15:19.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think the ride I think the ride is a good way to go if you have momentum in a certain direction. There's like because well well what? what? ah.

15:32.12

Max Shank

Everybody's got momentum in a certain direction dude like you the word momentum starts with the word mom. As soon as you get launched out of a vagina there is momentum to you.

15:42.85

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well if you're if you're in a poor trajectory and you're on a ride then it's not a good thing. But if you have if you're going in a great direction with Momentum then the ride is probably really good for you. So.

15:45.53

Max Shank

Your life has momentum as soon as you cross the gate. Yeah.

15:58.64

Max Shank

I Like that we're going to bring it back to physics here. Yeah, we're going to coast a little bit kick push kick push Coast right? I think with when it comes to work which is ah a big part of.

16:05.45

mikebledsoe

Exactly exactly.

16:17.36

Max Shank

Ah, even having any accounting or bookkeeping to do. It's um, it's nice to remember that the suffering that you feel the amount of effort you apply has ah very little to do.

16:35.71

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

16:35.97

Max Shank

With the result you know, ah Momentum and Aerodynamics are a really really nice example of that. So just just having ah a better, a better setup can be. Be a huge difference maker. It doesn't matter how much effort or suffering goes into it I think that's ah, another big identity thing I know for me that was ah that was a challenge I Thought that suffering was proportional to success or or good or goodness right? Um, and I think.

17:08.96

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

17:13.79

Max Shank

A lot of people still do believe that is my guess so like.

17:14.60

mikebledsoe

They do I talk to people who do all time I Want to go back to like the the collecting of evidence for what you believe about the world and what you believe about yourself. So this this identity you know who you believe you are and what you believe the world is and how you fit inside of it.

17:26.34

Max Shank

Oh.

17:33.77

mikebledsoe

You These are all just a series of narratives that are playing out most of these narratives were set up when you were a kid and you what you've been doing the whole time. He's been collecting evidence to support it you ah the that part of your.

17:42.86

Max Shank

I.

17:53.20

mikebledsoe

Brain doesn't go out there looking for things that don't support it. They're going out there look for things that do support it and so you can tell? Yeah, so when you yeah so when you have stacked a lot of time.

18:03.25

Max Shank

Confirmation Bias I think is what that's called think like racism like racism you you get up ah in the morning your parents are racist. They're saying bad things about the neighbors. Maybe you live in a bad area where.

18:14.32

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

18:20.45

Max Shank

All your neighbors are bad white and black and yellow and different colors alike but you only look out like what you were saying with your ah reticular activating system is you look out for those things and not only is it that you see them. Because what you notice is so different than what you see and you just confirm those beliefs over and over again because your vision is crazy small and Selective. You know, kind of going back to the vision Piece. It's a very complex mechanism that. Creates a total illusion inside your brain.

19:02.83

mikebledsoe

There was a I was listening to a podcast by Lex Friedman the other day I forget who shared it with me. Um, but he's he's ah interviewing this like evolutionary physicist I don't know like so some some dude that's they. Is way smarter than either None of us and he was talking about.

19:24.72

Max Shank

Well I resent that clearly you don't know what the word smart means.

19:29.65

mikebledsoe

Ah, this guy. Ah, basically through mathematics is able to demonstrate how our perception is. It's impossible for our perception to match reality. And in fact, it's so far from reality that. Which which isn't not news to you or me but to a lot of people. They they do think that they're noticing some things and then they're perceiving others when in fact, it's None perception that's happening and if we look out through lens of evolution then what we're what we have is. Ah. Ah, ah, the fittest right? It's it's the fittest is what evolves it's not It's not the truth. So the truth does not actually ah doesn't come into play when it comes to survival so whatever you whatever you need to perceive in order to survive. Is how your entire consciousness will develop.

20:33.22

Max Shank

When you say truth What do you mean because I I would agree that what a person sees is dependent on their memory because what they're what they're doing is they're differentiating ah the way a picture is interpreted.

20:50.10

mikebledsoe

And um.

20:52.71

Max Shank

And the picture is just simply about the ah um, the reception of light and we only have a small visible spectrum. So you're talking about the truth being everything versus what is visible to the naked eye. Oh then.

21:08.25

mikebledsoe

That's correct.

21:11.57

Max Shank

Absolutely I mean there's ah there are some great pictures. You can look up on the electromagnetic spectrum That's like a really cool ah thing to check out. Everything is just buzzing around and some of it. We can see and some of it. We can't and some animals.

21:26.57

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and but it's not. It's not necessary. Yeah.

21:30.52

Max Shank

And see ultraviolet and Infrared. It's not Useful. It's really about what is a um I feel like I say it all the time.. It's like what is a predictable Pattern. What is a predictable pattern if you have a really hard turtle shell on your back. It's predictable that. Nothing is going to bite through it as long as you're inside the shell if you're inside a cave and the cave is sealed the the jaguar or the leopard or the line will not get you in the night those kind of things are um.

21:52.83

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

22:09.88

Max Shank

Stuff that we've learned based on what we've seen but it's not the the whole picture right.

22:13.80

mikebledsoe

No, no. But yeah, so we look for the fact is almost nobody has an accurate understanding of the world or of themselves. Well that.

22:26.49

Max Shank

What do you mean? almost nobody who's this who's this guy that has it all figured out I want to meet this dude and.

22:32.64

mikebledsoe

There's this one guy there's this one guy I think that he may have it figured out but he'll remain nameless.

22:40.97

Max Shank

He's the one he's the 1 standing on the milk crate at the corner of a Columbus and None right? it it is probably someone like that I mean hey yeah, the concept.

22:44.00

mikebledsoe

For sure for sure. He's the fuck crazy fucker lives under the bridge. Well, there's a have you read? the have you read this series by Jed Mckenna okay Jeed Mckenna wrote a ah.

22:57.58

Max Shank

M.

23:00.16

mikebledsoe

Series. The first book is called spiritual enlightenment The damnedest thing and um I used to be really hesitant to even mention it in public. But I've gotten a little bit looser because you know what if you want to destroy your entire ego. You know who am I to stop you So the. This guy. Ah, this guy wrote this book on Enlightenment. He basically outlines how spirituality is actually ah will keep you from being enlightened and really creates a distinction between the 2 And you know that the the deal is you can't explain what enlightenment is because it's something that would only you can only experience once it's you can only experience it and then once you've experienced it. There's no going back to the illusion and.

23:53.90

Max Shank

Well, and once again, what are we trying to describe when we say the word enlightenment so just getting really right? It's ah it's a sign. It's a symbol that we're using to determine like this feeling that we we have this feeling in mind.

23:57.14

mikebledsoe

Was It's indescribable. Well well being well being well being. Well different people. Well a lot of people see it as a feeling but the the way the guy describes it This book is that you only see you you know the absolute truth at all times you're.

24:11.78

Max Shank

Right? and.

24:21.41

Max Shank

Yeah.

24:23.10

mikebledsoe

You stabilize that state of consciousness and um, basically life gets incredibly boring because there's no narratives I mean you can witness narratives but you're not actually participating um in them anymore at all.

24:37.11

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

24:42.64

mikebledsoe

There's nothing to believe about yourself. There's nothing to believe about the world outside of what you can directly validate for yourself through observation and even then the story that tying the the dots together to create a narrative just doesn't exist anymore.

24:59.11

Max Shank

It would be so hard to function with other people if you actually did that it'd be.

25:03.36

mikebledsoe

Well well in the book If you read the book series. You'd really, there's he he's basically documenting conversations and he fucking almost hates having to interact with people. You know it's It's not a you know he basically just sees everybody as little children.

25:15.30

Max Shank

Um, right.

25:21.59

Max Shank

Well that I agree with I mean people are like little children. Um.

25:23.32

mikebledsoe

Well, he gets into that in the book as well. I think you would enjoy the series. Yeah, it's a it's a trilogy. It's it's I chuckled my way through it and it was. It was pretty good. Ah although I.

25:30.36

Max Shank

The series. Okay.

25:40.35

Max Shank

I Feel like.

25:42.47

mikebledsoe

Read it in 2017 at it early Twenty seventeen it ah it did do a number on me totally totally.

25:46.65

Max Shank

Ah, might hit a little different now too. Ah I liked what you said about spirituality getting in the way of enlightenment because when I think of the word enlightenment I Like you know me I like to keep things as simple as possible because I'm not as smart as all these science guys and.

25:55.97

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

26:11.66

Max Shank

When I think of enlightenment I think about just a reduction in in mass. So you're you're reducing So you're trying to literally make yourself lighter. Yeah, it's like I wrote this phrase down that I've always loved. It's like you can only sharpen.

26:20.42

mikebledsoe

It's a destructive process.

26:31.20

Max Shank

By removing material like otherwise it's a different thing but you sharpen something by taking stuff away and ah there are a lot of different analogies in some ancient wisdoms About. You know, don't be sharp like a sword you know, let yourself become dull and plain like a stone in a River and that kind of stuff and I really resonate with that and the more you have to keep up with these stories the the more you are burdened. And so it's like how do you find a way to fully connect which is like flow in that moment without getting attached and you realize every attachment you have is derived from that identity that you have all all the attachments. Are in relation to your identity. It's like a big net where you're the center spoke or maybe a wheel where you're in the center and it's all these relationships with everything else.

27:30.19

mikebledsoe

Well, the way the way that Jed ah he describes it in the book. He's like you know, a lot of people like to think about what you're talking about these these these beliefs that are in our consciousness like I believe they're in this beautiful web. Or a net or something like that he goes the reality is it's a rat's nest. You have no idea what belongs where until you start pulling a thread and and even then you don't know what? Ah every what all it was connected to and um, yeah, so like that that really hit home for me when.

27:59.22

Max Shank

Um, oh yeah.

28:08.74

mikebledsoe

Because I up to that point I was thinking Oh there's this beautiful web and if I pull this part of the web then I'm not really sure what'll happen on this other side of the web but he's like now it's a Rat's nest. It's just as a is a disaster zone inside of people's minds. Oh.

28:17.48

Max Shank

E.

28:23.29

Max Shank

Um, often yeah.

28:27.88

mikebledsoe

Which I find to be accurate because anytime I've worked with people through like a belief and then we watch it dissolve. There's just no way to predict how that's going to impact their life. It's like oh I didn't know it wass going to impact that area of your life in that way. Okay, that was a surprise.

28:43.17

Max Shank

Some people are more attached. Some people are a little some people have a pretty easy time letting stuff go and some people have ah a really hard time or.

28:44.79

mikebledsoe

Some people are more attached.

28:52.64

mikebledsoe

I have um so I have a ah story to share I have a ah mentee I was talking to yesterday and he goes mike do you believe in curses I was like well um, you know. If you're talking about someone putting a curse on you if you believe someone put a curse on you then the only way the curse will work is if you believe that the curse is real if you believe that someone put a curse on you then it weren't like you you are cursed and and.

29:21.25

Max Shank

Um, then it definitely worked. You're fucked. That's yeah.

29:29.50

mikebledsoe

And you're the only one that can undo it right? and so and so that was That's how I started he goes. He's like well well I met this guy and he said that he said that Um, my family had a curse and I.

29:43.89

Max Shank

Sounds like 1 of them spiritual ah barriers to enlightenment perhaps or maybe he was right I don't I don't know.

29:48.16

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well well Ego I Go what? Well I say I I was like well we have to Define Curse of course that we we do that on the show at Lot. We Define things and I was like like look I don't I don't necessarily believe in curses in the way that ah. People who use that language probably believe in them because I don't need to believe in the curse I Um I I think that people use that language when they're actually confused about what that is. It's like this. It's mystical. And that's one of the things that ah jeed was getting in the book with spirituality is there's so so much mysticism and that is there's so much mystery, There's so much that we don't understand that you have to buy into and that happens a lot in spirituality people start throwing these words around and I don't know what they're talking about.

30:44.60

Max Shank

On.

30:44.85

mikebledsoe

And I'm pretty sure they have no idea what they're talking about because they just strung together a bunch of words that don't make any sense to to anybody in the room and if I were to ask them to break it down in plain language. It's not going to happen and so anytime anyone starts using a lot of flowery language. Both me my fiancee would just leave.

30:55.95

Max Shank

Um, right.

31:04.62

mikebledsoe

Like neither one of us like to put up with that that shit you know and so that there's a lot of people in the quote unquote conscious community that exists that like you know I think they're doing good stuff I like them and all that but we're probably not going to hang out I don't want to like those people are confused. And so ah, what.

31:25.45

Max Shank

How could people not be confused I mean we act like it's just been this sequential build. But the reality is that cultures and nations and peoples and laws have just been patched together ah time and time again with. Almost never having a chance to really clean the slate. That's why when you have something like America it's like whoa. It's not totally blank slate but it's it's pretty close. They were like okay, let's let's think about this real quick like.

31:54.53

mikebledsoe

It was. It was pretty. It was pretty blank.

32:04.41

Max Shank

What are we going to do here and because and then of course now what we have is just the patchwork quilt of that initial weaving and we're just sticking stuff in here and we're like oh yeah, the school's not doing so good so they need more tests or we'll teach them the tests ahead of time and.

32:09.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:23.67

Max Shank

It's just all these fucking patches and ah so it's no wonder that it's just this absolute cluster fuck like you were saying where most of the stuff you just have to take on faith Ah, which of course is kind of kind of back to. Well.

32:35.95

mikebledsoe

We you don't have to I I I try not my my goal is I tell people a lot of times they'll ask me what I believe I go and I said you know I don't believe in much of anything if I can't validate it for myself then I'm gonna tell you.

32:42.72

Max Shank

Yeah I mean.

32:55.92

mikebledsoe

I don't know. Ah there are things that are useful if I were to believe when I believe this way it's something I can't validate for myself. But I can validate the result of believing it which is ah something I want in my life or something I don't want in my life. So I I like to.

32:56.92

Max Shank

O.

33:04.61

Max Shank

And.

33:11.30

Max Shank

E.

33:14.52

mikebledsoe

Be able to admit that I have no idea what the truth is but I do know what's useful and ah there are some things that I can validate for myself and I just know that now going back to the curse and and a curse on the family the the way that I. I Talked about that with him is that every family has a curse and the yeah and they they have some blessings as well. But the but the curse.

33:40.63

Max Shank

Whoa How about a blessing do they have blessings Also because if you can curse another person then it would stand to reason that you could also bless them The logic's not sound completely. But.

33:48.22

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, you could.

33:55.70

Max Shank

If you believe that you can be cursed. You probably also believe someone could say a prayer for you or give you a blessing or cast a magical spell.

33:59.91

mikebledsoe

But I think we've all seen this like I think what? But what he was talking about is that there's a trend in his family. There's a trend of this pattern of behavior and and it seems mysterious to to them and maybe to people around them who who.

34:08.84

Max Shank

In.

34:19.57

mikebledsoe

Are Not very good at paying attention. Um, they're not in that practice and so but if you pay attention close Enough. You have well there is a pattern of behavior that's leading to these cursed results right? These results to seem to be a curse. Well the curse is going to be a mystery until you. Until you go to? why are people why? what is the behavior that's leading to this and where did that behavior come from and.

34:45.17

Max Shank

Back to curiosity if you can get to that state like then then that's like as close as you can get to a ah blank slate moving forward is to get curious about what is rather than confirming what you believe I think is the.

34:52.22

mikebledsoe

Key So curiosity keep curiosity.

35:04.14

Max Shank

The major key so you're curious about what is or perhaps what can be ah and that way you are not confirming the pre-existing beliefs right? Which definitely feels more stable I mean everything. All the all this talk about writing stuff down and recording things is to increase predictability and stability. So I feel comfortable lending you the None goats.

35:30.35

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well this is what as you I said Curiosity is the cure for curses. So if you if we're going to show title somehow. So so so um, look so I'm talking to him and I go.

35:38.60

Max Shank

Um, cool. That's that sounds nice.

35:50.26

mikebledsoe

This is the curse is what your parents learn from from their parents and then what they taught you is is there's an ancestral pattern of behavior that's playing out and if you don't understand how that pattern works then it's going to be mysterious. And then someone's going to come along and and use the label curse because it's the word curse is kind of a mysterious thing in itself like Witches curse things and that you know it's kind of like it's magic. Yeah, so like I and then so I have to go back in that. Yeah.

36:15.78

Max Shank

Um, yeah, like a Hex or something like that. Yeah, but you can use magic for good too. You know.

36:24.97

mikebledsoe

It to something that's magical or mystical is just something you don't understand how it works yet. Yeah.

36:29.62

Max Shank

Yes, exactly magic You don't get the trick and as soon as you know how it works. It's not magic anymore. It's just a trick hey do the trick. You know it's magic when you don't follow what's happening and most things really are magic I'm a very curious guy I don't like to not know stuff.

36:36.33

mikebledsoe

Now.

36:47.11

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

36:49.43

Max Shank

Honestly, maybe it's maybe it's a character defect or an an effect I don't I don't know exactly what it is but ah, it's really difficult actually to know how stuff works just if you look around wherever you are right now and just try to figure out how all the stuff is working. Unless you are a like Captain Science or something like that. You're going to find it really taxing to figure out how everything works in the world around you and I think one of the things about objectivism which is where i'm. Trying to come at things from it's weird I'm like objectivist in terms of like if it works I'm going to use it and that's good enough for me and also a more metaphysical connection to an everlasting eternal and infinite source that is. Totally the opposite of objective. It's completely subjective. It's like a feeling that it's funny because it's either ah true or not true and so if I am making myself. Believe that it is true and it gives me a good feeling then I just kind of gave myself a little blessing basically and I think that's a lot of what religion is about It's like hey you know what it feels good that there is a wise fatherly figure who's not too hands on.

38:06.49

mikebledsoe

Exactly.

38:21.42

Max Shank

By the way, not an overbearing parent or father figure all powerful looking out for me. He loves me says so in the book. That's that's going to feel pretty nice I can totally understand what I would feel nice. Are you kidding.

38:33.16

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well you know, ah this brings up. Yeah well well I see a huge like a really beneficial place for religion. Um, you know when I look at when I look at you know people that are you know mainstream people.

38:38.37

Max Shank

About the boost in morale.

38:47.62

Max Shank

Fanatics. Oh.

38:51.95

mikebledsoe

Religion is a really great way to get them to behave like if somebody doesn't hasn't been through the questions and the logic and really sat with themselves and have an understanding of like ah of karma basically cause and effect how you know if I do this and I get this result. Most people have no idea that person is going to do really good going to church on Sunday and having the None commandments repeated to them and because the 10 commandments. It's kind of hard hard to argue with that shit like.

39:26.10

Max Shank

It's a bit outlandish really I mean no killing or coveting the neighbor's wife give me a break.

39:30.48

mikebledsoe

I think there was there was I think the one that don't covet your neighbor's wife is the only one that does not include an action that every the 9 commandments was don't do these things and then the last one was like.

39:47.64

Max Shank

Don't even want this.

39:49.67

mikebledsoe

Stamp out that desire like it was the it was the only one that was around desire. Everything else was about behavior so which is really really interesting that it that it that it was wrapped like that which I think is also really good advice. Ah you want to be miserable.

39:58.36

Max Shank

Um, it's like yeah, ah.

40:07.81

Max Shank

Just covet everything You don't have.

40:08.31

mikebledsoe

Like it. Yeah I mean just means to have envy you know to be jealous like it's like oh you know that dude's wife is hotter than mine I I think about her all the time talk about suffering you want to make yourself suffer.

40:21.16

Max Shank

How about the illusion. How about the illusion like that I mean you bring up a great point could talk about it all day. But I won't I mean look at what we do to fabricate a better illusion shiny sports cars glittery tits. We're doing the whole nine yards just to. We're so hyper audio visual. We're so hypervisual. It's insane and you know that.

40:46.44

mikebledsoe

I think 75% of your perception at least seventy five eighty percent on the yeah well the eyes are just an extension of your nervous system. It's just like your nerves have come out and it makes more sense. It makes sense.

40:53.42

Max Shank

Um, it's like.

41:00.69

Max Shank

Yeah, yeah, no I follow I Follow what you're ah what you're going at um I think it's interesting. A lot of people consume media now with the sound off and it's just visual isn't that interesting.

41:03.82

mikebledsoe

Now.

41:10.63

mikebledsoe

I Do I I I have everything set up to where I have to like purposely turn the sound on and and I hope if you don't have a caption on your video I'm I'm skipping right over because I don't want to interrupt I don't want to interrupt my music.

41:19.50

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

41:24.52

Max Shank

Um, oh shit game over that.

41:29.22

mikebledsoe

And got my music playing to my phone now I'm going to have some fucking Instagram real barin now get out of here. So I caption everything. Ah.

41:33.86

Max Shank

Totally totally totally. But I think that just goes to show that we we are. We're very one-dimensional and very heavily focused on the vision and this whole this whole thing. It's like we're not quite.

41:42.53

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

41:52.86

Max Shank

Um, full slaves to our primal ah lust and hunger which that's pretty fun. That's one good option but we're also not fully bought in to this enlightened state either. You know? So we're not we're not really ah enjoying the primal ah savageness and we're also not really in the egoless enviousless wrathless smoothness of ah you know, connected communication and communion. With other things and ah creatures in your universe which is your unique perspective. So. It's a but it's a real bummer to be between those 2 is that's like the worst place you don't really get the benefit of either None you know you're.

42:35.65

mikebledsoe

Yeah, ah.

42:46.30

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah.

42:49.76

Max Shank

Lizard Brain afraid all the time you're not really getting the you know the the lust and the hunger they're full due and you're not on the the wizard mode either sounds awful just bought in the illusion.

42:58.50

mikebledsoe

Terrible terrible. So ah, so so there there was this moment I had where I um I really got to have um, an appreciation for religion I was it was ah. 2018 I was in ah Paris France and I went to see Notre ah Notre Dame um and before it burned ah and I got to go I walked in.

43:22.62

Max Shank

Any.

43:33.80

Max Shank

Um I did too. It was awesome I might have been there in the same year I might have been there at like the same time is fucking weird. We were there on a date.

43:36.17

mikebledsoe

So cool. So I walked in I'm looking at oh oh weird. So they add all this these ah these these monk These monks had like these hats. You know you saw like the hats with the Jewels and.

43:50.57

Max Shank

Just kidding like.

43:55.44

mikebledsoe

And everything and are and I'm in there and I'm looking at the the cathedral from inside and I go and then I went and looked at the outside I was like man there is a lot of symbolism here and I was like this is super psychedelic like yeah, what I'm looking at.

44:08.63

Max Shank

Um, lot of fancy hats in religions too.

44:13.71

mikebledsoe

What I'm looking at is it looks very mystical and reminds me I remember looking at this one piece and I was like that's a fucking dmt trip right? there I'm gonna tell you right now I've I've been there and I and then I started seeing it everywhere I was like this is. These cathedrals in Europe are so psychedelic and so I'm in Notre domina and I'm like I'm like okay I'm getting a download here. Let's go home. Went back to the apartment I booked a tour.

44:32.94

Max Shank

Um.

44:45.59

mikebledsoe

For the next day I was like I need I need like a proper tour this me wandering around and by myself not going to cut it and so what do I do I drop acid before the tour because I'm a genius and ah. We signed up for a group tour but we were me and my ex-wife were the only 2 that signed up so we had a private tour while on Assad and we we got to go the guy was like I normally don't tell people about this because if there's catholics ah in the group they get really triggered.

45:06.25

Max Shank

Amazing.

45:20.80

mikebledsoe

Because there was so much of the symbolism on the church was taken from ah ancient Egypt and and basically every religion up to that point is represented in in Notre Dame um which makes it even more interesting than some of the other cathedrals. Yeah, it's.

45:34.90

Max Shank

See I didn't I didn't even know that that's awesome I checked it out but I did not get a tour I Certainly didn't get that.

45:40.33

mikebledsoe

Ah, there there is references in the architecture to ah the chakras 7 chakras it's very it to me. It was like very blatant but ah to someone who's.

45:48.49

Max Shank

So now.

45:54.34

Max Shank

Ah, neat. That's awesome. That's neat. No no, no, that's neat. No, that's really cool. This is neat.

45:59.19

mikebledsoe

Ah, he said 8 I was like but ah that is neat. So so i' go inside and I and I get to spend a couple I you know how long I spend because I'm on asset two or three hours with this tour guide and we're just jamming I'm like just pulling all the information out of him and I'm like I'm like well what do you think about this, he goes.

46:13.30

Max Shank

A.

46:18.69

mikebledsoe

Oh you're one of those I was like yeah man I don't care like like let's really go there So I got to go there with this guy and basically what I got the conclusion I came to is these monks are sitting in the church in a dark room and they're in there just chanting chanting for days.

46:19.83

Max Shank

Are in.

46:37.72

mikebledsoe

Chanting and chant they're getting into these psychedelic states they're doing it through chanting. Maybe they're drinking some wine and chanting and they're getting into this weird state and maybe there's some mushrooms in the wine who the fuck knows and they get these. They get all this information they get they get to have contact.

46:43.57

Max Shank

Yep.

46:56.58

mikebledsoe

With the divine this they have this mystical experience that they then get their experience truth in a way that you can't explain to somebody else. But once you have this experience. You go. You know we probably you know.

47:06.12

Max Shank

Oh.

47:13.26

mikebledsoe

Property rights is a thing and the cat back then the Catholic Church controlled property if you want to buy or sell you know your deed it was held with the Catholic Church and and Notre Damme was ah was it started being built I want to say in 808 or 900 somewhere there and wasn't finished until like well technically still not finished. But. I think it was ah like a none project so it was not a short project.

47:36.19

Max Shank

Um, the 151516 sounds right to me fifteen sixteen hundred I can't recall maybe as late as 17

47:43.49

mikebledsoe

Well I think they then I think they may have had like a finishing point but then they started up again and depending on who was who was who believed what at the time they would like tear down a statue and put a different statue up and all the shit. Yeah.

47:51.63

Max Shank

Rebuilding and building.

47:59.10

Max Shank

Funky right? I remember there were some cool statues and like gargoyles and devils on the outside and shut like that there. It was actually the outside was super hardcore I remember looking at that for a long time. There was a lot of angels and demons.

48:01.37

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, it's like like super hardcore.

48:14.38

mikebledsoe

And Mary with Mary with a torch surrounded by gargoyles and yeah, it's fucking wild and so um, so I I got thinking about it and I got to appreciate I go all these peasants outside they're giving them gifts because they come out.

48:15.38

Max Shank

Devils and freaky shit. Yeah, you know that would.

48:33.28

mikebledsoe

After days of chanting go I got the message I had a meeting with god I had this divine mystical experience and you know what Don not don't try to fuck your buddys wife you know, ah and you shouldn't steal shit and you know what I mean like.

48:49.10

Max Shank

Um.

48:52.30

mikebledsoe

All these rules were created by the church. Um, but they're not they weren't new but like there was other rules like they had you know the church was running shit back then they were really running shit until around the fifteen hundreds and so um, ah.

48:55.35

Max Shank

Um, well those aren't new ideas though at that point either.

49:03.78

Max Shank

Yeah.

49:11.68

mikebledsoe

I Really just got a big appreciation for religion at that point because I go well for me to expect for everybody to have had I've had a lot of mystical experiences. You know that the meeting with God has happened several times where.

49:23.44

Max Shank

Um.

49:29.44

mikebledsoe

I Go into this really deep state and things become very obvious and the behaviors that follow like oh yeah I should change this I shouldn't shouldn't behave like this anymore like this because I'm at a blindment with this other thing and so as like I'm just making myself miserable.

49:35.35

Max Shank

What.

49:47.91

mikebledsoe

So when I first had that experience I go everybody should have this experience and then after years of promoting people to have this experience I Realized a ah most people are not willing to have the experience. They're not. They're not even curious about it. It's not interesting to them and then B some people.

49:52.47

Max Shank

Um I.

50:02.82

Max Shank

And.

50:06.73

mikebledsoe

Become curious about it and they probably shouldn't have touched it because they don't they couldn't they they can't handle. There's they don't have enough like some type of mental construct in order to handle the the weight of that experience because you're going from 0 to 60

50:24.37

Max Shank

Um.

50:26.10

mikebledsoe

And ah and a split second with some of these things. Um, and so.

50:29.42

Max Shank

Yeah, it's way faster than chanting. It's like you can achieve kind of a similar experience with a lot of different things like you can get the runners high or you can just ah smoke a blunt or something like that you can chant for three days or you can just drop some acid.

50:41.10

mikebledsoe

Totally yeah.

50:47.13

Max Shank

And so we have all these shortcuts to get into that state and I think it's a connected and receptive state. It allows you to see past your own illusion I think it it temporarily depending on the dosage right.

51:03.32

mikebledsoe

Yep.

51:04.40

Max Shank

Temporarily takes away that tight grip on the um ego that you've built essentially as a suit of armor to survive the environment that you live in and we live in an environment where stories matter quite a lot I Mean. Like the the reality of how I am on a day-to-day. Basis is so different than from what you would find if you just searched for me on the internet. You would think that all I do is play Sports lift weights.

51:33.37

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

51:40.74

Max Shank

And dance in my backyard with my shirt off but I call it mobility instead of dancing and that would be That's like the whole thing. That's that's the illusion that's out there. So whatever. Whatever avatar you project out you you use it. Maybe not as armor maybe almost as like a scuba suit to enter the environment of society that we're in so it's natural that you would want to do that. You'd want to have armor plating you'd want to have these ah pretty colors on this avatar. So people really like it and maybe someone will even love you. If Your feathers are are pretty enough and so everything is just reinforcing these ideas but it's still coming from like a lizard brain type of desire and so it's no wonder that people are a little tangled up. Like in like a ah web of self and parents and teachers and fame and shame and blame and all these different things like that's why when you were like oh people are just children I'm like yeah they're like often abused children and abuse is like. It happens in so many different ways. It's like ah probably like 1 of the least popular things to talk about is rape but the only problem with rape is the lack of consent because nearly everybody is on board with sex and a lot of people from both genders like raping. Also. But that's like maybe even another. Ah, that's a different can of worms that I'm not not looking to unpack right now off the cuff because well look. It's um.

53:23.68

mikebledsoe

Why'd you even mention it.

53:29.53

Max Shank

People have their boundaries crossed in a lot of different ways and the the thing is it's that feeling of having your boundary crossed and so people feel um, abused or diminished or beaten down or taken from in a lot of different ways and so it's like. That idea that ah wherever you get wounded the bone grows back twice as strong like the calcification is like your personality from all these miniature traumas you've had and if someone's. Forcing you to do None thing or another they're still forcing you to do None thing or another and how you can harmonize that into the future is going to determine how you find the world and you know there are different levels of trauma. But if you're not willing to let it go. You are just going to go ah equal and opposite to that force basically right.

54:25.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

54:31.37

Max Shank

Ah, yeah, So I'm not Surprised. People are all all twisted up with identity and perception and I know personally I've found a lot of peace through trying to see things as they are. And it's not something that is like on off switch but it can happen really fast all at once. In fact, just for anyone listening. It's kind of an interesting thing in my experience. It's not a linear progress on this sort of. Thinking it All. It's like giant leaps forward and then a little plateau and then a giant leap forward and then a little Plateau I don't know what it's been like for you. But.

55:17.51

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it? um well the giant leaps forward or never yeah, they can be difficult. But yeah, it seems like seems like there's this giant leap forward then I got to stabilize the jump right? There's not a. So like oh I jump forward and everything's Great. It's like oh now because in those giant leaps especially if you have a shift in your own identity then everybody in your life. You're about to ah destroy their expectations of you. The stability is gone.

55:37.27

Max Shank

But.

55:49.48

Max Shank

Well, the Stability's gone right? The stability.

55:54.85

mikebledsoe

There's chaos it creates chaos and it creates chaos for your friends and your family because they can count on you to behave like this whether it's a good behavior or not and they're even looking to count on. They're counting on you to behave poorly and then all of a sudden you do something in order to be successful.

56:05.51

Max Shank

Right.

56:13.73

mikebledsoe

And they may even get mad at you about it. They like like I've I've had people in the past that were like mad that I was successful enough to where I didn't have to run my gym anymore they were like oh you're like leaving.

56:17.74

Max Shank

They'll definitely get mad at you about it. A lot of the time.

56:26.48

Max Shank

A.

56:30.18

mikebledsoe

Things behind you, you're you're changing and you're a different person like and they're mad about it I go Well yeah, that was isn't that the point like what do you think I was doing all this work for to stay the same.

56:34.66

Max Shank

Um, yeah, yeah, dude I remember that I remember the one that made me laugh The hardest um I fired this guy who worked for me because he was lying to me.

56:54.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

56:54.45

Max Shank

And if I can't trust someone. It's basically like see you later you know and 1 of the members at my gym texted me and said I can't believe you did this. You're really ruining my happiness.

57:05.62

mikebledsoe

Ah, you're in charge of their happiness. All of a sudden.

57:11.00

Max Shank

I just thought it was so funny. It was like anything different. This guy's like totally lost it and you know there are two sides to every story right? So there's no point in trying to have like an argument about its rightness or wrongness it. It just is what it is. It's like that Mark Twain quote how his. Taylor was the only reasonable person because he took his measurement new every time instead of measuring him against how he was in the past and dude absolutely like if you quit drinking I think that's ah one that a lot of people relate to you know.

57:34.38

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

57:45.54

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah.

57:48.86

Max Shank

Ah, used to be a bit of a party animal or just ah, a different type of party animal and as soon as you stop as soon as you stop doing that They're like what do? what are you doing? You're you're like ditching us. Oh you're too good for us or something I guess like no man like just doing a different thing.

57:51.25

mikebledsoe

Yeah I had the same thing quit drinking. Yeah.

58:03.26

mikebledsoe

Well it kind of sucks when you stop drinking because I had this experience I remember it was yeah it's like well 20 I remember it was like 2013 and i.

58:12.44

Max Shank

That's where our culture has fun for adults. That's like the place.

58:21.61

mikebledsoe

I had to actually cut back on drinking a little bit up to that point not completely I started smoking a little bit of weed when I was my and 2011 so I started smoking weed because I didn't like how I was behaving when I was on alcohol I was. Blacking out I was doing and saying stupid shit. Um I was around like my gym members. You know I'd be out at a bar with gym members. The next thing you know like like what what did I say last night I don't even know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, the next day is like.

58:52.55

Max Shank

Feeling of up.

58:57.14

mikebledsoe

I Just I don't know what I did but I got this feeling. It wasn't good. You know, ah and so I cut back the drink and I I discovered that weed if I smoked a little weed before I went out I would drink way less and then weed would make me way less aggressive.

58:59.53

Max Shank

Right.

59:14.18

mikebledsoe

So I could still be out I could still be sociable.

59:14.87

Max Shank

Um, oh you think Alcohol alcohol is like so crazy when you think about it that we're just like yeah whatever you can have it have as much as you want? whatever.

59:21.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but I was using the weed to like offset the you know it calm me down and and then I would just drink less and because I was already kind of feeling it if I drink too much while being high that ah that. Wasn't fun I would I would hit it.

59:40.75

Max Shank

But it sounds like yeah I mean it sounds like you got to that point where you were ah using your intuition and getting curious about it instead of just writing the momentum of like oh it's Friday let's all get drunk because that's just what we do and I think a lot of folks.

59:52.70

mikebledsoe

Yeah now.

01:00:00.12

Max Shank

Maybe don't even like it that much. They just want to be liked so they'll do the thing that gets people to like them. You know, drinking can be a competition that you can win speaking of life as a game.

01:00:04.36

mikebledsoe

Well, it's.

01:00:12.87

Max Shank

As soon as I figured that out I was like hey I bet I could poison myself twice as fast as you motherfucker and that everyone's like yeah you did it.

01:00:19.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, if you ever win a drink game. It doesn't It's never as cool as you think it's gonna be and a lot of people need that liquid courage. You know like it's the only way they can. It's like ah well it's it's it's well they have to like D It's like.

01:00:34.52

Max Shank

Be sexual. It's the only way they can like let their guard down.

01:00:39.39

mikebledsoe

It detaches them from themselves enough to where they can just kind of let loose. But anyways I digress I um so in 2013 I started eating way more psychedelic mushrooms and then after my None big psychedelic mushroom experience.

01:00:44.50

Max Shank

Um, yeah.

01:00:56.66

mikebledsoe

I cut out alcohol a hundred percent I

01:01:00.40

Max Shank

Dude, we should do a series of shows on a different substance every week guys. We're gonna start it. Nice and simple coffee week. One is coffee nice and simple week two. We bring out a little booze week 3 weed week 4

01:01:03.90

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's not the None time I've heard this pitch.

01:01:12.40

mikebledsoe

I want to do it now I want to do it's a lead magnet. It's a lead magnet. We'll do 10 shows on 10 different substances and there's ah the lead magnet is that you can um you have to figure out which substance we were on. It's a mystery.

01:01:17.14

Max Shank

Okay, we're going to go in Spain.

01:01:31.10

mikebledsoe

During the show and if you can match it up successfully you get a prize. Yeah, you have to like you know label it. There's gonna be 10 shows 10 substances definitely social security number. Um yeah I think that's a great idea. So.

01:01:32.90

Max Shank

Um, and you only get None guess. You got to enter your social security number.

01:01:49.87

mikebledsoe

Started eating mushrooms and I cut out alcohol completely and I was the guy you know I owned the gym I was I had a a house with a big backyard at a pool and you know I I bought the house because it was a great place to entertain guests. So I'm throwing these parties I got a keg in the backyard like we're doing everything.

01:01:52.25

Max Shank

A.

01:02:08.74

mikebledsoe

I'm not drinking and it's not 1 those things where I'm like I'm trying not to drink is just like I really just don't give a fuck about having a drink at all like someone can hand me a beer and it's like 0 desire. Yeah.

01:02:09.43

Max Shank

Yeah.

01:02:20.10

Max Shank

But well you got something better something that that suits you better. That's what it's about right? It's like let's get intuitive about the different medicines that we're applying.

01:02:28.91

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and so I just remember this one afternoon I've got a bunch of people in my house were standing in a circle. Everyone's got a red solo cup in their hand I'm drinking water and I'm happy as a clam. And I probably smoked a little bit of weed. Um, but I kept on trying to have conversations that had way more depth than what I would have when I was on alcohol and I just remember people looking at me weird I Remember people getting uncomfortable and walking away and it was.

01:02:54.51

Max Shank

Or you can.

01:03:06.10

mikebledsoe

It was all of a sudden there was this barrier between me and the people who I had been getting drunk with for years and having a good time with and when I look back and I go oh I just wasn't meeting their expectation of who they believe Mike Bletzo to be. They didn't know what to do with me and in fact.

01:03:20.41

Max Shank

Inhale.

01:03:23.72

mikebledsoe

Probably didn't weren't that interested in talking to me because they were wanting to talk to a guy that was more like who I was behaving like and so.

01:03:31.56

Max Shank

And I mean your cells are all changing except for like neurons basically throughout your whole life. They're they're dividing and dying and dividing and dying. They're going through this process of death and rebirth and so.

01:03:38.33

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:03:50.75

Max Shank

If most of your cells are different seven years later wouldn't like you also be quite different seven years later and the fact of the matter is your brain and the pathways in your brain can change way way faster.

01:03:57.28

mikebledsoe

Absolutely.

01:04:10.50

mikebledsoe

Well yeah, the first was it in and exercise science I remember we were studying is like the majority of the results that people get in their performance in the first 12 weeks of training are due to new motor patterns new. It's your nervous system that's adapting. That's why you're that's why you got strong so fast.

01:04:10.32

Max Shank

Then like your bones and you.

01:04:29.88

mikebledsoe

After that now it has more to has less to do with the nervous system and more to do with the muscle mass or whatever other things that need to structurally change. But yeah, the nervous system can change really fast. Yeah.

01:04:40.79

Max Shank

Right? You're just using what you have better. You're just using what you have better when you get those neurological adapt changes adaptations. Yeah.

01:04:50.12

mikebledsoe

Thanks for putting in plain english.

01:04:55.94

Max Shank

Ah, fucking got me.

01:05:01.69

Max Shank

Um, and let's see we started with ah symbols and records and record keeping and now we're at the the record of your self which is in your Dna. Also we got your brain.

01:05:11.47

mikebledsoe

Yep.

01:05:19.45

Max Shank

Which is within your single life and then you got your Dna which is a long long very tightly bound record of all of the things that need direction for cell production.

01:05:34.99

mikebledsoe

That's ah, that's a great theory I think that that I think that's a a piece of it I've I've ah I've thought about this a bit the Dna thing yeah the Dna thing I think there's a lot we know about Dna I think that we can do a Dna test and we can find out our ancestry.

01:05:43.29

Max Shank

Um, tell me more tell me tell me more about it older we can match Dna we can match it. That's that's a good start.

01:05:52.85

mikebledsoe

Ah, figure out what part all that. But but here's a thing when they start looking at ah Dna of different ah species like humans have more their Dna has more in common with like some insect I forget which one it is.

01:06:05.58

Max Shank

E.

01:06:12.57

mikebledsoe

Then a fucking chimp and I look at that and I go we don't We don't know um wish I had it? Yeah please um there. Ah.

01:06:18.24

Max Shank

Um I don't know this one I'm going to fact, check this when the show's over.

01:06:31.44

mikebledsoe

Well I remember reading that story and I was like and people were like whoa. You know that's crazy I Go Yeah, that's crazy. It just tells me that we don't know nearly ah the amount that we think we know about what comprises who we are. Ah.

01:06:49.35

Max Shank

It's weird because we know almost nothing and we know a lot at the same time sometimes it's like the difference between knowledge and wisdom. It's like knowledge is knowing which Dna sequence is responsible for.

01:07:06.34

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:07:06.94

Max Shank

Sickle cell anemia. For example, like that's very, that's very consistent and repeatable so that would be something and be like oh yeah, that's that's pretty wild so there. That's how that basically happens right? and then there's also ah. Like way more that we don't understand about Dna I mean the way that it wraps itself up I think ah maybe Drew Barry Drew Barry is the Youtube channel you can watch like a little animation of. Dna moving around.

01:07:46.15

mikebledsoe

We're gonna be able to show that um I see animals that share human Dna sequences apes monkeys and humans um mice dogs chickens.

01:07:49.81

Max Shank

Oh man, Yeah, this is wild.

01:08:02.49

mikebledsoe

Ah, now it's just it's some article from some school. It wasn't very good information.

01:08:04.59

Max Shank

Does it show the different percentages because I'm guessing a chimp is more than a chicken.

01:08:13.61

Max Shank

But that's the record that's been kept basically that that's the record of how to direct resources I mean that's the record that's being played. That's the record that's being played.

01:08:18.96

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it is a record it is a record what my my my my thing is it's not in ah in the narrative. Well I would say.

01:08:31.24

Max Shank

No, that's the record that's being played in your body is your Dna is unzipping and rezipping itself up to make stuff.

01:08:37.50

mikebledsoe

Well I would just I would just say it's a record not the record I think there's way more. There's some shit we don't know.

01:08:43.40

Max Shank

Um, tell me more. There's like a little chip in my Pineil Gland or something like that like a calcium I don't know either.

01:08:51.19

mikebledsoe

Maybe I don't know I don't know what it is but I think it's I think it's a lot I think it's a lot safer like I think there's plenty of evidence and evidence to show that Dna There were so many things that they thought that would be solved by ah, sequencing the genome.

01:09:10.50

Max Shank

Oh.

01:09:10.85

mikebledsoe

And none of it came true and it's because it's it's I don't think it's telling as big of a story as they once thought it was going to be telling So I I think I think there's something Beyond Dna that is still yet to be discovered. That's going to. We're going to find plays a much bigger role.

01:09:18.79

Max Shank

Um, you know why.

01:09:28.81

Max Shank

Oh my gosh.

01:09:29.26

mikebledsoe

So I just like to hold that perspective because that's the perspective that keeps people looking and being curious versus saying that you know this is the this is the one and only true god.

01:09:35.68

Max Shank

E. Well here's how I would say it here's how I would say it is Dna is the ah program that's being run but there are a lot of factors that determine how your Dna is expressed how it's bound up. It's packaged whether we're going to copy this part of the code or that part of the code it changes based on how much sunlight you get it changes based on the different hormones that are working in your body I mean you have all of these different pieces playing together and so. To take back. Take it back to you know some semblance of objectivism. It's clear that the way you think the way you label things the way you um, retell tell and retail different experiences has an influence. On your physical body including the way your Dna is expressed so that's epigenetics right? So after you're already alive you have this relationship to your environment that's in a state of constant flux and your body. Just always like yeah we'll adapt to that we'll adapt it and it's happening so many times on such a small level that you can't really track it um, but just to keep it very practical. What you think is influencing ah the hormones it's influencing your digestion it's going to influence. How your Dna is expressed same thing with sunlight so there are all these external factors and what I'm getting to is from a practical standpoint you got to just start out with a few things that are really big boosters. You know things that very clearly. Lift you up to a higher state. Ah not necessarily drugs but it could be drugs that lifts you up to a higher state right? That's going to be what to that's going to be what determines your life. Basically.

01:11:41.72

mikebledsoe

Temporarily.

01:11:45.84

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and I like to think about it and um, we have we have states and then we have stages and like states are things that we we visit like we may have like a state of consciousness. It's like oh that's temporary. Your state is changing.

01:11:57.57

Max Shank

Right.

01:12:04.38

mikebledsoe

All the time it changes if you if you breathe really shallow and fast versus breathing really deep and slow that's going to change your state Now that's going to make an impact on how you perceive things. Um up.

01:12:11.85

Max Shank

A.

01:12:17.94

Max Shank

And how should you breathe. How should how should you breathe I mean it's like nutrition. Ah you should never breathe through your mouth or you should breathe through your mouth every day as fast as possible. Yeah.

01:12:22.50

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:12:36.38

Max Shank

You should always breathe as slow as possible or you should never hold your breath and never strain your breath I mean I can I can follow. Ah, the logic of most of those recommendations and they totally contradict each other. So once again, no wonder things are confusing the superstitions are all over the map in terms of how we should eat how we should manage our finances how we should move how we should even fucking breathe so that. Is probably what makes that simplicity so attractive.

01:13:12.35

mikebledsoe

You just made me want to look up the etymology of superstition. So I feel like that's like a very accurate way of talking about we tomorrow superstition. Um.

01:13:28.30

Max Shank

Alternate definition language you're fucked you just hit the center. The first use of superstition was just called language. It's like the snake eating its own tail I don't know what you're going to think you're going to find.

01:13:30.95

mikebledsoe

And I say what.

01:13:40.96

mikebledsoe

Yeah, ah was a ah.

01:13:45.12

Max Shank

I Means you you know Green Monkeys You know Green Monkeys have different calls for whether a hawk is coming or a tiger is coming and they will lie so that the other monkeys will look away so they can steal a banana.

01:13:59.56

mikebledsoe

A.

01:14:03.75

Max Shank

That's superstition hey look out. There's an eagle up there. Maybe that's not quite superstition.

01:14:06.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well. The definition here is an irrational belief that an object action or circumstance not logically related to a course of events influences. Its outcome number None a belief practice or right irrationally maintained by ignorance of laws of nature or by faith and magic or chance. And None a fearful abject state of mind resulting from such ignorance or irrationality man.

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