00:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

Pretty funny before they wouldn't They wouldn't know what I wanted like they didn't understand what come sit stay meant so I was like yeah that's Fine. You're just Puppies. You don't understand what I want now. I'm certain that they understand what I want and sometimes they just won't do it. There's like a little rebellion phase that's happening right now.

00:31.38

mikebledsoe

This payback.

00:35.46

Dr_ Placebo

And well you know so far. We've just been using carrots. Basically no stick for our condition and.

00:45.42

mikebledsoe

Ah.

00:54.30

Dr_ Placebo

My special lady friend is a really kind soul it it would she would like lose her mind if I struck a dog I don't want to anyway. But I I get this feeling that they know that I'm all bark and no bite. And that's why they're like yeah okay keep talking big fella like I'm just going to do what I want to do.

01:17.51

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um I learned this trick for dominating dogs which is you want to make sure you got control of their snout when you do this because I've done this with a big pit before which is you bite their ear so you take like your.

01:32.74

Dr_ Placebo

M.

01:34.67

mikebledsoe

Your canine and you dig it into their ear until they until they yelp and then they know because that's how dogs talk to each other right? like 1 dog is going to dominate the other and then they they bite an ear or they put their their mouth around their neck and then the other dog kind of gives up.

01:45.40

Dr_ Placebo

Right? right.

01:54.57

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh man, my dogs battle each other so aggressively all day long I mean I'm glad we got two I can't imagine just getting 1 dog and I don't like to say that too much. Because I don't want to make everybody who just got the 1 dog feel bad but it seems like they have some level of communication between them that I will never really understand they're on the same level. You know what? I mean.

02:20.95

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

02:25.85

Dr_ Placebo

They can play in a totally different way. They communicate in a totally different way. Um, but man it is it is aggressive and then I remember like oh yeah, playing it is two things. it's ah practice for killing and and it's ah socialization that's that's what play is and for humans that's not how we play typically but that's in the animal kingdom that's what play is that's how you first learn how to how to kill things or not get killed depending on what the animal is. If you look at though I'm trying to think of ah what play looks like for herbivores. It doesn't occur to me right now. But for carnivores there's its play is basically practice for killing and it doesn't it's. Just reminds me of the circle of life. Something needs to die so that you can live and it doesn't matter if you're a vegetarian you got to kill that plant and that plant becomes part of you so it's kind of like the highlander there can be only one like you can. Eat it or it eats you basically and then when you die provided you you don't put yourself into one of those fancy boxes then you get eaten again after it's all said and done and that's ah I mean that's a funny thing maybe not cemeteries aren't funny.

03:56.41

Dr_ Placebo

In a traditional sense. Maybe but it is weird that we try to take the the physical body out of the ecosystem. It's a really interesting practice.

04:07.50

mikebledsoe

I Mean it's happening. You know we build homes we built. Ah, you know because nothing in nature is Square. You know have straight lines like I look around my house I've got a flat floor flat ceiling flat walls and they all meet at Ninety degree corners. And for the most part So We we basically separate ourselves from nature by putting ourselves in these boxes and then when we die we want to continue the separation So casket we go I need a new buck. This one doesn't have to be as big.

04:24.31

Dr_ Placebo

And.

04:36.49

Dr_ Placebo

I need and I need a new box.

04:44.60

Dr_ Placebo

Um, that is kind of funny. That's like the whole whole life is like I need a new box I need a car that's like a mobile box and then I need a new house and that's a stationary box and then I need a coffin That's a very snug. Ah airtight.

04:58.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you leave you leave the box. That's your house to get in the box that your car to go to the box. That's your work and or or maybe you're just building boxes for your work too. Like yeah yeah.

05:01.72

Dr_ Placebo

Waterproof box.

05:07.72

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

05:14.33

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I mean if you're in construction you're building boxes. Basically it's it's funny. It's just so it's more ah comfortable on the inside right? I'm surprised. There aren't more oh it's It's actually because Ah. Squares tessellate the best so you can line a flat plane full of squares and rectangles. But if you try to do it with Circles. You have a lot of space left over but I think ah, a big dome would be really cool.

05:45.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's um I'm sure you've been in some cathedrals where the the ceilings you know they're they just kind of go up into a point where I've been in. Um I've been in big malokas.

05:52.56

Dr_ Placebo

Beautiful.

06:00.30

mikebledsoe

And the jungle where they're doing medicine ceremony and it all goes up to a point and I heard somebody talking about why don't we build our homes with a point um and or a cathedral like what why don't We build our home like a cathedral where there's this. Point that's going up right? and I think it might be that It's a little ungrounding and your attention gets funneled into that single place whereas with a box you can diffuse your attention a little more easily.

06:39.15

Dr_ Placebo

Um I think it's probably that plots of land are rectangular and a rectangular house will maximize your living space on them honestly and.

06:46.70

mikebledsoe

I Mean what if you had a rectangular house with ah with your ceilings coming to a point like to a single point like a tepee.

06:57.30

Dr_ Placebo

And and no ah, no rooms just 1 big room and.

06:59.49

mikebledsoe

Yeah, may well that that would suck So the round room doesn't really.

07:06.40

Dr_ Placebo

Right? I mean there there are some cool. Ah, there's some cool domes. There are some really cool like I've looked into it. Ah you know me I've looked into a lot of different alternatives for how to live and how to eat how to live how to exercise like what alternative is there. Let me.

07:15.65

mikebledsoe

Ah I mean.

07:22.79

Dr_ Placebo

Let me at least examine it and you can you can get a house built like a dome you can buy yourself a plot of land and you can have basically a kit sent to you because it's all triangles you know Buckminster Fullers the inventor of the geodesic dome. And it's ah it's a kit that 2 people can put up this whole thing because it's just like 1 row at a time of the ah same side same size triangles the whole way through and it's really kind of an interesting thing. Um.

08:00.27

Dr_ Placebo

But I think a lot of it has to do with the the plots of land and blending in.. There's most places that people live. There's a homogenization right? You you kind of want your house to look sort of like everyone else's and everyone has. This idea of what a house should look like like a fancy house looks like this and a medium fancy house looks like this and a not as cool house looks like this or whatever and we have these ideas of what it should look like right. Um I think it is if you have a rectangular plot of land though you're going to get more ah space with a rectangular house that that's for sure.

08:49.78

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think we need to start creating triangular plots of land. Let's see what we can do with that you might be able to fit more houses in a single in ah in an area who knows.

09:00.11

Dr_ Placebo

Um, that would make the thing that would make the well you also need roads too right? So it's ah it's interesting though to look at um.

09:05.91

mikebledsoe

Those damn roads.

09:18.80

Dr_ Placebo

Like New York city right is basically a grid like you know if you're on a and tenth street. you know exactly how to get to b and Twelfth street you know exactly how to get there

09:27.74

mikebledsoe

Well the but 1 of the best grids on the planet is phoenix completely flat. It is a straight up grid. Well I think about I think about ah like New York or Boston you look at the East Coast and

09:34.65

Dr_ Placebo

Because just straight up grids. Yeah.

09:44.51

mikebledsoe

A lot of those roads were built when you know it was horse and buggy or carriage and so they're not that wide and then only that they have to they have the there's might be some old buildings that to go around So it's not it is grid but not as great as Phoenix which was way more planned and then you have to worry about the.

09:53.90

Dr_ Placebo

Aha.

10:00.49

Dr_ Placebo

And more modern right.

10:03.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the the coastline you have the coastline that you have the that you have to work around. That's why on the west coast like you know like you can end up on a street that you're going east 1 minute and then north the next minute because it's having to go around everything but you go somewhere like Phoenix where it was.

10:17.40

Dr_ Placebo

Right? so.

10:19.64

mikebledsoe

Laid out in a grid. It's flat. There's nothing to go around is just a desert and now you now you get like this really, you can you can go to a street in Phoenix and look down the road and see blocks and blocks and blocks and blocks down the way without without any any blocking your view.

10:25.91

Dr_ Placebo

Great.

10:37.20

Dr_ Placebo

Um, and a lot of older cities are are more like um branches of like root systems or capillaries. Like Paris for example, there's like a central location and then it branches off. It's not really a grid. It's more like branches and rings. It's it's really interesting to see how we try to ah transport people around and if ah. If a place is growing um it it actually makes a lot of sense that it would be more like ah, a branching type of thing like a root system.

11:15.75

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think about shapes and um, what that does relationally for people or communally and one of the things that happens at burning man is everything's done circular so you have the center of the city.

11:21.65

Dr_ Placebo

Nothing of 1

11:30.84

Dr_ Placebo

And.

11:31.66

mikebledsoe

Basically black rock city and then ah the roads are by time so 2 to 15 to 30 so you've got a clock so those are your roads that that extend out and then the rings going around are abcd and of course.

11:42.26

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

11:51.55

mikebledsoe

Every year that like the D is different like you know, depending on the theme or whatever. But in this circular community.

12:00.81

Dr_ Placebo

So of course I don't understand that less.

12:04.34

mikebledsoe

Ah, what do you mean? Oh sorry, No no, no, no like E might be a different word. Yeah elephant one year. Yeah.

12:09.82

Dr_ Placebo

Abcd and then it's different like it's bigger or.

12:17.25

Dr_ Placebo

Like Elephant Okay, got it? Okay, ah you're like of course I'm like am I supposed to feel stupid now.

12:24.33

mikebledsoe

But the whole point of this podcast and see if I can make max feel stupid. But ah it hasn't It hasn't worked I don't know. Ah so that I think the circle um.

12:34.14

Dr_ Placebo

I Always feel stupid. Ah.

12:42.60

mikebledsoe

When people this is this really cool topic to talk about because we're talking about environment. How environment it's what raises and rings. Yeah Raisin rings are who I like that. So with the raisin rings. What I what I think is happening. There is it.

12:47.58

Dr_ Placebo

So it's rays and rings. it's it's rays it's Rays Rays and rings. Yeah.

13:01.51

mikebledsoe

Creates more? Um, it's It's hard to to say this is where this ends and this begins as much and there's more opportunity for people to interact from someone across town. So I can just follow this road and then now I'm on the other side of town.

13:20.52

mikebledsoe

Whereas with a block. It's like if I want to go? Yeah, you know if I want to go anything other than North Southheast or west if I want to like cut across town then I'm zigzagging or I'm having to make this big loop. But with the raisin rings you you can start at the center and then get anywhere. You want.

13:22.30

Dr_ Placebo

So.

13:35.18

Dr_ Placebo

A.

13:38.86

mikebledsoe

By just pointing and going. So I think there's.

13:47.61

Dr_ Placebo

Um, I mean you're always going to have to take somewhat of a circuititous path no matter if it's a grid or raises in rings that's kind of the nature of roads.

13:50.14

mikebledsoe

No matter what but I wonder I wonder what creates how what the social impact is if we're say say you're in ah and a structure you go into a tepee.

14:03.17

Dr_ Placebo

And.

14:05.59

mikebledsoe

Or you go into like a lot of like places where you do ceremony. They're all circular structures almost always yeah and it's because it it's like diminishes hierarchy and then ah.

14:16.80

Dr_ Placebo

Nights of the round table. Totally.

14:24.10

mikebledsoe

I Think it makes things more communal people are more if you're sitting in a circle you're more likely to talk to each other than if you're sitting in a square then it kind of feels a little weird. So I wonder.

14:34.83

Dr_ Placebo

Or like a big long rectangular desk where I sit at the head of the table in a really really big chair which is of course how I like to have all my interactions with all my lackeys lining the sides.

14:36.42

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, exactly? Yeah, so yeah.

14:48.71

mikebledsoe

A good example like I had dinner a few weeks ago where there was a dozen of us at a table at a restaurant and half the table I didn't talk to almost the entire time. But if we were sitting in a circle. It would have been a completely different experience so thinking about cities that are designed to be squares or circles. Um.

14:53.16

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, right.

15:03.46

Dr_ Placebo

M.

15:08.71

mikebledsoe

Also I I heard this recently that ah cities that are more circular based get more rain on average I need to find the information like actual data on that. But yeah.

15:27.32

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

15:27.47

Dr_ Placebo

More rain all fit I mean that's ah I have no clue what you're talking about I Understand the words you said and I wonder if it has to do with places that have more rainfall had. Earlier civilization and earlier civilizations had more circular ah systems of travel. But yeah, that's really interesting. Yeah.

15:53.14

mikebledsoe

Could be could be yeah I Just I think about um the older I get the more I think about how the environment is shaping. People's behavior in general because I think that the majority.

16:07.33

Dr_ Placebo

Button.

16:10.68

mikebledsoe

I know we talk about incentives here a lot too. But if you look at in what your environment and how that shapes someone's behavior and then the incentives put in place those 2 things are likely the biggest drivers of ah behavior.

16:21.32

Dr_ Placebo

Click m.

16:29.33

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, right? So where where you are and then the carrots and the sticks. Basically when I was doing a lot of ah virtual reality. It made me think a lot about environment because when you set up ah like a fancy.

16:29.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

16:47.13

Dr_ Placebo

Vr system. They have basically different areas where you can do different stuff. It's very compartmentalized and of course as you know I've been learning a lot about compartmentalizing with the puppies because you need to have them in a specific zone that is cleared. For puppies to not destroy all your shit basically and then you know I had this idea of basically you have a console for work and that's where you always do work and then you have a console or you have an area for eating. And that's where you always do your eating and then you have a place where you do your bathing and your bathrooming and we sort of have that. But um, just to even focus it down even more So. There's no question about what you do. When you're in a specific Area. You're like okay I'm at the console I'm doing ah you know writing and emails boom and that's the only thing I do in that place and when you're in a virtual reality. It's It's exactly that you can't do. Anything else because as soon as you're like oh I think I'm going to play a game. You actually are like teleported basically to a different place so you're not even there Anymore. So I think that's actually pretty valuable is to have a place where you go to work.

18:18.83

Dr_ Placebo

Place where you go to eat a place where you do this. It's not necessarily very very flexible. But I think it can help you get into that laser versus the lantern type of focus.

18:29.11

mikebledsoe

What you know? ah when Covid hit a lot of people were concerned that you know work wasn't going to get done and then they found out that people were working even more hours when they were working from home and they're.

18:45.40

Dr_ Placebo

E.

18:46.55

mikebledsoe

Inability to compartmentalize work from the rest of their life was demonstrated and and a lot of people didn't know how to manage that.

18:57.91

Dr_ Placebo

So so so they all became entrepreneurs.

19:01.95

mikebledsoe

Well, ah, the the amount of freelancers that exist is has skyrocketed in the last few years Tons of new freelancers. Um I did a presentation recently where I was highlighting that it was um I want to. Can I remember off top my head I want to say at least 15 % of the workforce in the us of freelancers maybe more um and it's just like it's growing at ah at such a fast pace and it's and it's a sign of the decentralization of. Of labor and ah these companies don't want to have you know people don't stay with the company for 203040 years anymore like they used to the last time I heard a figure on it was the average and this was like. Ten years ago they were talking about how average employment link has gone from 30 years to 7 I'm sure it's more like three or four years now so people are switching jobs a lot faster. Um companies want to be more agile.

20:05.13

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

20:12.81

mikebledsoe

Which means they need to be able to exchange their people out faster which means that employment contracts get replaced with with and and people are becoming more specialized due to technology. So now it's like I specifically work in this type of marketing you can hire my firm which might just be me.

20:26.63

Dr_ Placebo

Who.

20:32.42

mikebledsoe

And might be me and a team and now I'm ah now I'm contractor so now these what's happening is companies are even the big ones are reducing the amount of employees they have and they're increasing the amount of ten ninety nine s they have the the contractors.

20:35.89

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

20:50.17

Dr_ Placebo

In.

20:50.38

mikebledsoe

And um I my theory is this is this is part of the why they want to hire 87000 irs agents is because you have a bunch of people who have had taxes deducted out of their paycheck.

21:01.93

Dr_ Placebo

I.

21:09.32

mikebledsoe

Every paycheck for their entire life. They just went freelancer. They just turned ten ninety nine they didn't file their they didn't ah pay quarterly payments. They went to file realized they didn't have the money to pay the tax and not only that we're in the middle of recession.

21:17.12

Dr_ Placebo

So.

21:27.88

mikebledsoe

So and people are out of money already anyway and so now that's one I'm sure that's a ah factor. It's playing in in this decision try to squeeze the middle class more All these freelancers is ah is because of ah.

21:31.97

Dr_ Placebo

And.

21:42.62

Dr_ Placebo

I.

21:46.15

mikebledsoe

People don't know how to file their taxes now. So now they gotta hunt these people down.

21:54.29

Dr_ Placebo

Well I mean I I think it's even more simple than that if you hire a bunch of those thugs. It's ah 2 ways to win and no ways to lose because you're not even paying them with money that you earn you're paying them with money that you steal. So It's like.. It's kind of like two ways to win and no ways to lose which is a good way to go through life If You're an individual like give yourself opportunities where you have multiple ways to win and no ways to lose. Ah so I think it's more just like they can and why wouldn't they if that's their prerogative. But.

22:26.93

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um, no.

22:30.90

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean we don't want to have the whole podcast be ah, just about that. Probably just just another episode of fucking Max Angry. Ah. Episode 51 max is pissed Again. Ah.

22:50.41

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's not fair.

22:53.35

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh man, but it's not fair, but then again like once again like it's so important to have perspective and recognize that there's this constant rebalancing between business. And state where the the business is like okay you know you're going to work in our coal mine and by the way we have a little general store on the way out so you can spend all your money at our general store after your you know.

23:25.56

mikebledsoe

That I tell you about this.

23:28.16

Dr_ Placebo

12 hour shift in the coal mine you know because I feel I feel like ah yeah, yeah, yeah, like only 30 episodes ago. Ah like you you basically have your you basically own this little work town more or less.

23:33.55

mikebledsoe

Yeah man that shit blew my mind.

23:46.97

Dr_ Placebo

And South Park app actually did a little episode about that. Ah, where all a lot of the people were working for Amazon and then ordering packages on Amazon so they basically just got a job at Amazon doing grunt work. So they could support their habit of buying shit from Amazon it's like work 16 hours what do you get another day older and deeper in it. It sounds and it's like this whole thing. Ah so there there's like a constant. You know rebalancing of that right? but it still it still falls into the natural order of an alpha dominating everybody else and it doesn't matter if you're a wolf or something like that. You know it doesn't matter what animal. There's always this pyramid. Type hierarchy and um, you know that's I know you talk about decentralization a lot where everybody is more or less free to make their own choices and once again, that's what that's what America was originally intended to be I think was. Everybody's more um, sovereign over their choices and the consequences of those choices which is a big part of it right.

25:05.19

mikebledsoe

Yeah, with that comes the responsibility right? The yeah and that's I mean I think that's the key to the development of consciousness and people's ability to get in greater contact with reality is to. Suffer the consequences or reap the rewards of your behavior and when you're shielded from any of that.

25:32.58

Dr_ Placebo

And that's also the worst. Oh that's also the worst type of governance is when the people making the decisions don't assume the consequences for their behavior right.

25:45.11

mikebledsoe

Right? Well this this happens in um and business as Well, right? So when we look at and it usually so government creates Corporate. You know the idea of corporations right. Some some businessman comes along and says look if you allow me to create a corporation then I can and it'll shield me from liability from personally personally from my decisions in business and they go Oh. There's a great idea. It's gonna make a lot easier for. For investors.

26:26.93

mikebledsoe

I lost you for a second you there? Okay, good. Um and so and so this idea that people are now shielded from liability now you've got.

26:27.22

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

26:32.78

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah, I'm here.

26:43.76

mikebledsoe

You know, ah was just we can take it up and in their notch. You know you got Pfizer who was had the largest fraud case in all of human history and had to pay out all you know how much money it was it was a ridiculous amount. Not as much as Alex Jones Doesn have to pay for running his mouth but ah, that wasn't a fraud case. So this is like 1 of the biggest fraud cases in all of history less than a slap on the wrist and then ah, what. And which results in people dying. The results are people dying and what happens with a Ceo fizer the one who's ultimately responsible for the company. Nothing nothing the company pays the fee pays the fine. No repercussion. And a lot of people go well, that's capitalism and I go no this is this is a people who are capitalistic who are capitalizing on the use of government for violence so without without them leveraging government. Pfizer would be in every individual if you take the government out. Well then people start looking around with well who do we blame you know and you can start pointing fingers now I don't think that I think that the.

28:12.29

mikebledsoe

Even going after the Ceo of a company that just makes a drug is a diffusion of responsibility I would say what doctor prescribed this doctors are are shielded from liability as long as they follow these rules now they can't be found guilty of anything in court. Even if they were truly negligent and not practicing medicine appropriately as long as they follow the algorithm so you have all these things all these rules that are put in place. All these things are shielding liability that create an environment where people actually. Are not practicing judgment from moment to moment. They're just doing what they're told.

28:57.60

Dr_ Placebo

Like which is what you would want if you were in charge hundred percent like if I'm in charge I don't want people questioning what I say I would like to have a small secret group of advisors.

28:59.31

mikebledsoe

Um, which is yeah.

29:15.61

Dr_ Placebo

That help me make decisions but I wouldn't want the broad population to question anything I'm saying under any circumstance because that would just make things very difficult to do what I want right? So It makes sense that you would not want that. What's. Interesting to me is you know there's all this like wrongful death. Let's call it I think that's what we would Call. That's let's call it wrongful death if you can if you can pay a fine for wrongful death. Why can't you have a slave.

29:52.24

mikebledsoe

Ah.

29:53.14

Dr_ Placebo

Like like if there's a number that they've decided is like okay that's all right? You paid the money you you do your thing That's fine like why can't you have an indentured servant or something like that. It just seems I don't know.

30:09.77

mikebledsoe

Stop using your logic max. You're gonna you might trigger somebody. Ah.

30:17.75

Dr_ Placebo

It's like we try to say oh you can't value a human life and yet we do all the time.

30:21.34

mikebledsoe

Ah, it's worth $15 an hour for minimum wage for for minimum people. Um.

30:33.61

mikebledsoe

I Mean we do have all right all right? So so.

30:35.58

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's It's a little bit weird the way we try to like value human life. Ah like monetarily it sort of makes sense I guess like what you'd like I don't know the way that we.

30:44.40

mikebledsoe

Well, this is how I break it down look.

30:51.48

Dr_ Placebo

The way that we punish wrongdoing is really weird it Most of the time doesn't really provide any relief to the victimized party right? Someone commits a crime and we're like we're going to send you to Jail but then the victim is just fucked basically still.

31:07.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

31:11.38

Dr_ Placebo

So the taxpayers foot the bill of this alleged criminal now. But there's no like rested I mean once again like a lot of the stuff is done as badly as possible but like you say it's all about the incentives at play more than anything.

31:24.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, if someone wrongs somebody else or say we want to be humane right? We're not going to pay him back? Yeah, so like you Rob somebody maybe you you injure somebody and.

31:31.95

Dr_ Placebo

Pay him back. Pay him back.

31:41.67

mikebledsoe

They lose an eye or an arm or whatever it is. They can't do their work anymore. It's like all right? Well now you're working for them. You're not gonna enter.

31:50.63

Dr_ Placebo

Insurance companies figure it out insurance companies figure out exactly how much they're willing to pay if you hurt your leg. They know exactly if you have a pancrea Titis they have a schedule.

31:55.35

mikebledsoe

Exactly.

32:06.63

Dr_ Placebo

For exactly how much they're going to pay to help you resolve your pancreatitis. So why don't we have I mean look you just put me in charge and I will fix everything ah right before I'm assassinated.

32:08.30

mikebledsoe

Um I Love how we're solving all the world's problems right now.

32:20.75

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, so I mean this is interesting like you're right? There are all sorts of formulas for figuring out what the cost should be so somebody injures somebody else. It's like okay you owe me X amount of dollars and you've you've got to give me.

32:27.25

Dr_ Placebo

And then ah.

32:40.88

mikebledsoe

2 wo-thirds of your money that you make until then and so you're basically you basically lose your freedom of labor and time and of your own life in exchange for your wrongdoing and no one had to die that person could still improve their skills.

32:44.49

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

33:00.25

mikebledsoe

As a and they're late their skills of labor that could still contribute to society. They could still help build the wealth of the society and the person who is wrong gets made right.

33:13.89

Dr_ Placebo

Well and that's what taxation is right? It's part-time servitude and people don't recognize what an imposition that is especially when you consider the fact that there's no incentive for the people spending those stolen dollars to be efficient with them. You know.

33:25.68

mikebledsoe

Um, right? But what about the roads max. What about the roads.

33:33.53

Dr_ Placebo

Um, we would We would never have roads ever unless we were like deeply gouged every fucking year. There's no way. No one would think to lay down asphalt.

33:41.42

mikebledsoe

A lot of the roads out in California were not poured by anyone wasn't paid for gut by government. It was private roads that were built by lumber companies and other things that were later.

33:49.24

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean it's ridiculous like these arguments. But.

34:00.60

mikebledsoe

Purchased by the government but government didn't build those roads.

34:06.55

Dr_ Placebo

Well and just to push back I agree with you and I'm also glad that we didn't just let the lumber companies go full hog and completely take down every tree that existed in the western side of the United States because when you start looking at how efficient we have gotten at processing the environment. It is. It is really insane honestly, how good we are at catching fish. How good we are at processing lumber. Um the speed with which we can. Expand and procreate I mean even with relatively few offspring ah per couple per coupling. We can spread crazy fast. Um and I was I was watching this thing the other day it was about.

35:03.98

Dr_ Placebo

Another animal documentary. You know I love that stuff and these fish these fish these herring on near Vancouver island they go to lay their eggs. There. They do 20000 eggs per fish up to and they they plant them all individually. Everywhere. So. There's this huge influx of like a million fish. They each drop off like 20000 eggs and a lot of them get eaten by in the environment and then you have these wolves on Vancouver Island and they have like 2 wolf pups like 2 compared to 20000 so the amount of sophistication required and the investment per offspring is so significant the more complex of an animal you get. But I mean look how crazy good humans are at keeping offspring alive. It's incredible. So. On the one hand I guess I'm glad we didn't just go total free rain on ah you know, cutting down all the forests and eating every single animal. Um, but at the same time There's an incentive if you're a lumberjack to not. Ah, cut down every single tree right? So once again, you just want the incentives to be in place I always think of the Roman Bridge builders that's like my favorite example, you build a bridge you have to stand underneath it when we test it out that that's my favorite example.

36:33.23

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

36:40.89

Dr_ Placebo

So when you're looking for someone who's going to work for you. Make sure that their performance and their incentive are related. Simple is that if you're looking for work ah make sure that your performance and incentive are related. And all the other stuff we're talking about is mostly mental masturbation. Um, because it doesn't really affect the bottom line of what an individual can do what an individual can do is um, get clear on their values. And figure out how to provide value so value and values and regardless of what you decide to do as a profession just make sure that the incentive and the ah consequences are in the like the same place. Basically. So you can get so you can earn more if you do better and you earn less if you do worse and that way you really have Um, you're like the master of your destiny so to speak.

37:43.94

mikebledsoe

I Want to go back to the lumberjacks. So there's no one So there's an incentive for them not to cut everything down but the problem is sometimes people are short sighted. You need somebody else to come in with an objective.

37:59.22

Dr_ Placebo

True.

37:59.67

mikebledsoe

And objective perspective and go hey hey I'm looking at the bigger picture here. Don't do that anymore. Do it like this and then people either listen or don't listen, but that's where government comes in this because the government says well you have to listen to me or else I'll conduct violence on you? yeah.

38:17.44

Dr_ Placebo

Shoot you right? or put you in a box back to our boxes. We'll put it. We'll put you in a box that you don't want to be in you want to be in this other box. But we're going to put you in this one.

38:18.40

mikebledsoe

So you know yeah.

38:31.43

mikebledsoe

So How do you?? How do you motivate people I mean some people will argue that um I mean I do which is the lack of of ah the repercussions hitting that person individually is what's keeping them From. Understanding their their um the impact they're having and that's been going on generation after generation after generation they're shielded from it so people are actually become too dumb to realize the the impacts of of their behavior. So How do we.

39:07.96

mikebledsoe

How do we do? How do we do that without threatening violence like how do we get people to expand their awareness and not do dumb stuff without threatening them.

39:07.99

Dr_ Placebo

Well ignorance it.

39:21.76

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, well, it's like ah it's like heaven and hell basically it's it's a carrot or a stick and people are the natural condition of humans is ignorance the natural condition of any animal. Ignorance so you need to have some sort of carrot and some sort of stick and ah heaven and hell are really good examples of that but you need to have some sort of ah constructive incentive I Think that's why religion did work so Well. And has continued to work really well because it's like ah it's It's an untouchable goodness and badness like you can't even imagine how excellent heaven is and you can't even imagine how awful hell could possibly be.. You're like oh. You know about hell if you burned your hand.. It's like way worse than burning your hand.. It's like a thousand times worse than that and it's forever and you're like oh fuck forever that seems like a really long Time. You're like okay I guess I won't covet. My Neighbor's goods or something like that right? so. I Guess it's kind of the same thing. Um and some people don't give a shit about whether the local wildlife stays alive and some people take it way too Far. They're like oh you can't You can't build this.

40:52.70

Dr_ Placebo

Bridge here because it's going to impact the spawning of the the spotted pigmy something or other you know what I mean and you have like 5 ah people working full time to figure out and. Make up some fancy charts about why it's bad that you can't ah bad to build that bridge. So I don't I don't think there's a definitive answer other than you need to have with any group you need to have some sort of hierarchy because it's got to ultimately be somebody's decision.

41:29.66

mikebledsoe

Yeah, um I guess my question is does the hierarchy need to need to include violence you you guys just that's human nature. We need somebody who's gonna like to say you know what you better behave wrong gonna beat you down.

41:38.85

Dr_ Placebo

Well I think.

41:50.73

Dr_ Placebo

You know, a lot of people are robbing stores right now. Um from what I understand and I don't know if I'm getting bad information or not well I mean at my local home Depot I See a lot of ah tools.

41:54.57

mikebledsoe

I mean it's mostly in in Northern California

42:07.15

mikebledsoe

Ah, ah.

42:07.86

Dr_ Placebo

That are now locked up that were no were not locked up before and ah, you know there are some like there are some things that you can go on like next door and it's mostly a bunch of curtain twitchers like look lo and busybodies.

42:22.41

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

42:27.76

Dr_ Placebo

Just like oh can you believe these damn kids were riding their bikes without a helmet and it's like yes, kids are stupid and 1 of them might die and that'll be really sad but like do we really need to talk about it. Um, but they also discuss like what's going look and and you might die.

42:36.10

mikebledsoe

Ah I never wore a helmet when I was a kid just for the record.

42:46.57

Dr_ Placebo

You know it's just you got to accept the consequences right? code of Hamurabi had clear consequences for every crime if you pluck out a man's eye your eye gets plucked out if you kill a man you get killed if you rape a woman. Have to marry her and pay her dad 50 silver shekels. It's really weird rules but they had a clear consequence for every crime that there was and so people are talking about folks just walking out of stores with a bunch of stuff and I can't imagine. Being a business that's open all the time that people can just jack your stuff and walk out because the consequences of trying to stop them. Are you probably get sued or something crazy like that which is. Is way worse. We're talking like ah you know the litigiousness of our of our culture is so pathetic. Honestly, it's ah it really makes it harder for everybody.

43:51.77

mikebledsoe

Well this is the difference between what I saw between California and Florida we could take the 2 extremes here is you had people writing and stealing and all that stuff and in California you know you actually tried to stop.

44:08.43

Dr_ Placebo

And.

44:10.29

mikebledsoe

Like if you harm somebody and trying to stop them from stealing from you like you're going to be in trouble and they're not going to charge a person for theft and they're just like no property rights just aren't honored there or in Florida my buddy he lives in Miami and. All the rightots were were going pretty strong like two and a half years ago and I forget exactly what what person in government said this you know don't know if it was like the sheriff or if it was the mayor or the governor or whoever it was they were like all right. If you own a store and people are coming in that try to Rob you, you can shoot them. We encourage you to they basically encourage the behavior that you're gonna get you know? Ah, ah, what's it called. They're gonna try to do something to you in California. So.

44:56.92

Dr_ Placebo

And.

45:06.18

mikebledsoe

All these business owners. They're like okay so they go to their stores. They aren't armed I think 1 or 2 guys got shot they died and then all the writing stopped and it it's the you that um.

45:06.81

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

45:16.48

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah Incentives work the incentive to not get shot is tremendous.

45:26.47

mikebledsoe

But the thing is is what you have in in Florida was the government getting out of the way you say you know what we're actually not going to ah get in the way of you protecting your life your property. Your labor because your property is your labor It's a product of your labor and you know our job is to make sure that ah we're not going to fuck that up and that if someone else comes and fucks up your your property your labor your your life then we're going to help you know, bring.

45:53.27

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

46:04.00

mikebledsoe

Some type of ah Justice there. But in the meantime if you are going to be able to bring your own justice very quickly and defend yourself because if you break if someone breaks into your house. They have to me they initiated violence. They just. They broke a window. They didn't harm me physically but they they have just that they put their life on the line there because I have no idea what their intentions are right.

46:36.70

Dr_ Placebo

I totally agree and you don't have enough time to figure out if they're just trying to take your television or if they're trying to murder you and then take your television like there's no way to tell so basically in Florida what they did is they.

46:45.38

mikebledsoe

There's no way to tell.

46:53.29

mikebledsoe

Right? right.

46:54.37

Dr_ Placebo

They did not interfere with self-defense. That's all they didn't do right? So if you just don't interfere with self-defense things have a way of rebalancing themselves and it reminds me of when I was in Oklahoma with ah my grandpa.

47:12.21

Dr_ Placebo

He took me to this jewelry store where ah we didn't have to go there like he wasn't going to pick up jewelry or anything. He just knew the owner of the jewelry store and wanted me to meet this guy and see the bullet holes in the wall.

47:28.29

mikebledsoe

Ah, and yeah.

47:28.30

Dr_ Placebo

Because this guy I was like fourteen years old I was like whoa this is pretty heavy stuff. Ah, and so basically some some guy came into the jewelry store and said to the owner give me your money but the jewelry store owner had a shotgun mounted. Underneath the ah ah like display case and he just fired out like both barrels of a shotgun basically and he left the little beeb's ah, some of them were red some like red Beebe's in the far wall and he just left them. There. And I was just saying wow that is like a strong incentive to not do that and it's like if that's not ah if it's not okay to defend yourself. Do you really want to be part of that group and I think for most rational people they would say no. Right? I don't want to just be a sitting duck. Basically.

48:27.59

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well I think it's um I found it interesting over the last couple years how a lot of the same people who have been preaching consent around sex are the same ones that.

48:43.54

Dr_ Placebo

Oh yeah.

48:45.60

mikebledsoe

Ah, will be the first ones be like don't defend yourself and went from things that aren't rape. It's like it's like it's like it's like ah sex gets put in a super special category I think I think I.

48:52.82

Dr_ Placebo

Totally.

49:03.61

Dr_ Placebo

Rape is not about sex Rape is not about sex. It is about choice almost everybody really likes sex. It's just that they want it to be their choice right? That's it. It's like most people like food.

49:11.00

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

49:20.80

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

49:20.57

Dr_ Placebo

They just don't want to be like force fed food through a funnel or something like that. It's all about choice. It has nothing to do with sex is like just barely the ah the medium for that removal of choice.

49:32.29

mikebledsoe

Yeah I think I think when it comes to sex is extra touchy because women specifically are at a disadvantage in those scenarios right? It's very rare.

49:45.93

Dr_ Placebo

Well why would you say that I don't understand can you explain because women are just as strong as men.

49:52.38

mikebledsoe

So ah.

49:57.86

mikebledsoe

Ah, they can also have penises.

50:04.50

Dr_ Placebo

And their penises are just as big. Ah god.

50:04.70

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, ah actually to make this a little bit more clear for people. Um, yeah, if you're if you're a man then your your job and for sex is to penetrate and then for the woman is to receive that Penetration. So.

50:22.56

Dr_ Placebo

Oh God I've been doing it all wrong.

50:26.76

mikebledsoe

Ah, so ah, yeah, it that the the the penetrators are are more likely to be the rapist is what I'm getting at so that's right the point.

50:38.31

Dr_ Placebo

The penetrators are the perpetrators is what you're saying.

50:42.38

mikebledsoe

More often than not so um, so I think that in our society sex is ah yeah, that for some reason it's way touchier when it comes to consent when it comes to sex but it. There it when it comes to physical violence or when it comes to injecting people with experimental drugs go going to War Consent. It's I.

51:11.10

Dr_ Placebo

Going to war taxation.

51:16.78

mikebledsoe

Tell people who go who have the realization that I'm um, talking about here and they go holy shit like these people are like arguing for consent here but not over here and there's a lot of things like that I go. Well yeah, it's because people don't understand principles. People are. Ah, if they were actually principally based they would then say well consent matters in every situation. There are no special occasions for when consent is is not okay or you know isn't isn't useful.

51:53.63

Dr_ Placebo

Agreed greed.

51:54.25

mikebledsoe

And so ah, the majority of people in politics the majority of people who care about politics are very hypocritical so you know if you're getting mad at somebody else about you know because if you look at the left. They basically say we want consent for this but not this if you look at the right They say the same thing we want consent for this but not this and they're basically just arguing over who's going to be able to boss the other one around and who's going to not be bossed around.

52:29.21

Dr_ Placebo

Right? There's like 5 things that they'll never agree on and never budge an inch and then 1000000 things that everybody agrees on because it's just super obvious and that's what keeps people divided the five things that no one will budge on.

52:35.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, the 5 the 5 things.

52:49.10

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, yeah, you're 100% right it is all about consent I think um I mean there's not much else to say really, it's just that people are trapped where they're just feeling something.

53:02.65

mikebledsoe

5 my.

53:04.75

Dr_ Placebo

Something just feels wrong to them. But the other thing feels right to them and we're we're trained to seek authority from some higher figure and that person is going to make it right. That Authority figure is going to make it right? and it's always like people are always in favor of that people want the leader with a big stick who says my way or the highway until the other guy gets in charge like I feel like a broken record sometimes. But it's like everybody is like oh we hate that guy in Charge. He's doing all these executive orders and then the next guy comes in and they're like yeah look at our guy taking charge making those executive orders. It's like no dude What? like? okay.

53:53.18

mikebledsoe

I.

54:00.46

mikebledsoe

Terrible.

54:02.11

Dr_ Placebo

Democracy is also a bad idea. That's why capitalism at least true capitalism would be a lot better because look if 51% of the people vote that it's okay to rape the other 49 of their stuff or their anuses. Whatever. Right? It doesn't matter. That's okay, according to democracy because it's still just glorified mob rule that they put their leader in charge and they can pretty much do whatever the fuck they want because they have the biggest stick around and it's just crazy that people think that is the best way to go go about it. Rather than mostly leaving it up to the individuals each and every day to decide what they value and how they want to spend their dollars how they want to spend their time how they want to spend their ah resources right.

54:51.12

mikebledsoe

Um, but how could we control them the ah.

55:02.27

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean some things you need if you're going to be a leader though. You do need to have some sort of um, incentive for people to want to be part of your group right? That's the.

55:11.42

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you got gotta to make someone else the villain you know like I'm gonna save you from these people over here I mean I learned most of what.

55:17.82

Dr_ Placebo

That's the main thing.

55:24.16

Dr_ Placebo

I'm going to save you from an invisible scourge that is ravaging the world by the way. It's totally invisible. You can't see it don't breathe the air. It will kill you.

55:33.67

mikebledsoe

Other Invisibles scourges inflation. Let's see inflation is Evil Ah, ah, there's another one. Ah and this up.

55:46.70

Dr_ Placebo

So do we talk about how we're trying to fix inflation by printing more dollars and giving everyone more money. Do we talk about that.

55:50.81

mikebledsoe

And and inflation terrorism. These are things that are invisible that ah you can you can scare the be Jesus out of people. So like you know we're gonna get those terrorists I'm like who are the terrorists. You know the terrorists like can you show me one of them.

56:06.81

Dr_ Placebo

Well, if terrorism if Terrorism is controlling people through if terrorism is controlling people through fear. No one is a bigger terrorist than our own media and government. No question. Not even.

56:08.67

mikebledsoe

Are they wearing a uniform.

56:16.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah says Cnn.

56:24.25

Dr_ Placebo

not even close. It's not even close it's so it's so crazy far ahead like Al Qaeda we shouldn't even know their name based on the small percentage of terror they've instilled versus these media conglomerates which people are mainlining. Every day like a fucking drug. They're like oh god I forgot I wasn't supposed to be I forgot I was supposed to be afraid every second of every fucking day right.

56:51.34

mikebledsoe

I Think the same thing goes for um I got the inflation I think dude.

56:57.20

Dr_ Placebo

Oh my god North Korea North Korea is going to get us that country across the sea that can barely feed themselves. Oh god thanks for reminding me to be afraid of North Korea

57:08.12

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, ah was it last night I was hanging out with some friends and they were talking about the chinese have created an artificial sun that's 5 times hotter and I go well where is this. And go it's in a nuclear. They got some like reactor or whatever and I'm like man I'm having a really hard time believing this because the chinese are terrible innovators. They're very good at copying things ah like 80% as good as it was originally intended to be but they're not making anything new. They're definitely not creating a sun and extracting energy from it and they were getting I think something like that.

57:54.42

Dr_ Placebo

Well, do they just mean a nuclear reactor that is more efficient because those things are very those things are very hot and you'd be sort of I I believe we can make stuff that's hotter than the sun. Um, don't quote me on that. But I think there's a lot of stuff that we can. Make that's hotter than the sun. It's not necessarily true that we can extract a ton of energy out of it Although Nuclear power plants are crazy efficient compared to anything else that we've sorted out So if they have a nuclear reactor. That's even you know 20% more efficient.

58:18.12

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

58:31.20

Dr_ Placebo

That might actually already be hotter than the sun but probably whatever information they read is so misleading right? because now we're trying to get eyeballs that have just been skull fucked every day for the last decade of like the 1 thing you should be afraid of or.

58:50.24

mikebledsoe

Um, well there' a the conversation I was having with my friends yesterday went from it went from China's got a sun. It's hot than the sun or ah, that's hot than yet the sun and then.

58:50.26

Dr_ Placebo

Is the apocalypse happening today here's what you should do. It's like every this is like oh my god like how could you? ah.

59:04.89

mikebledsoe

It was all ref in the conversation about ah Russia and nuclear war unlike I'm like oh you just got like spun up so anything that you could be afraid of from a country that's on the other side of the planet. You're freaking out and then they're like yeah I mean they mean nuclear war I'm like I'm like.

59:12.20

Dr_ Placebo

Great. Okay.

59:24.52

mikebledsoe

Russia can't is not gonna get a warhead into like America. It's not gonna like they don't have the they they could shoot something this direction but I don't think it's gonna make it and and again, yeah, it's not good.

59:39.72

Dr_ Placebo

And if it did what's the probability that it hits you.

59:42.69

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean people are then they're like oh the fallout and all this I'm like unlike maybe but here's the thing with the chinese sun and the russian nukes I can't do a damn thing about either 1 of them like I I'm not. Ah.

59:59.57

Dr_ Placebo

Better start building that Bunker blood. So the blood so bunker. Okay here.

01:00:04.16

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh we should start selling this all right. The new new New direction for the show. We scare the shit out of people.

01:00:12.36

Dr_ Placebo

You can order your blood so bunker and it it 5 5 3 2 4 5 call now to reserve your blood snow bunker. It comes with six months of food six months of water. You're welcome simple simple as that right.

01:00:17.30

mikebledsoe

That's a.

01:00:25.80

mikebledsoe

that's ah that's Alex Jones's that's Alex Jones ' whole thing just scares the shit of you. Oh my god the world's gonna end the pedophiles are gonna drop nukes on us. But and then it's like commercial comes in. It's like.

01:00:30.56

Dr_ Placebo

I Mean. Totally yeah.

01:00:40.98

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, the pedophiles are going to drop new on.

01:00:41.31

mikebledsoe

Buy the fair supply by my food supply.

01:00:47.74

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Totally by this bucket of slop that will keep you alive in your bunker and okay so one 1 thing that's practical insurance and acceptance most people aren't spending their lives all that well anyway.

01:00:50.17

mikebledsoe

A.

01:01:06.87

Dr_ Placebo

Now I'm not 1 to judge right? But if you're just afraid you're just afraid all the time like is that really a way to live and there are only 2 things you can do about the future insurance and acceptance and if you're going to get insurance.

01:01:07.36

mikebledsoe

Um.

01:01:22.78

Dr_ Placebo

You got to set it and forget it Otherwise the insurance is a waste of fucking time. It's like buying fire insurance and then every day worrying that your house is going to burn down. It's stupid. Yeah, very nice. Excellent.

01:01:31.13

mikebledsoe

That's why I cover my house with water every morning you know, just in case. Yeah.

01:01:41.25

Dr_ Placebo

I'm sure it takes ah a really long time. Ah, just and I'm sure it's really good for the materials to be constantly drenched in water.

01:01:44.56

mikebledsoe

Um, oh I I got ah I got a buddy who lives in tahoe and was it last year. Yeah, it was last year basically tahoe was on fire.

01:02:00.27

mikebledsoe

While burning renegade burning man was happening so he walks out of his house. He sprays it down with a hose and then he just leaves the hose on to try to make the property as wet as possible gets in his car and goes to burning man for a week

01:02:12.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

01:02:20.28

mikebledsoe

And that was acceptance. He's like he's like I did the best thing I could do and you know my house and might not be there when I get back.

01:02:24.80

Dr_ Placebo

That's an option that is an option.

01:02:31.96

Dr_ Placebo

Insurance and acceptance you got to figure out what'll make you feel comfortable and just set it and forget it. There's no point in buying the insurance If you're going to worry about it all the time and you ultimately. Like everything comes back to accepting your own impermanence and the ego is only ever trying to gain more and more permanence so they're at odds with one another. So unless you bring acceptance into it. There's no amount of insurance that'll make you feel really safe. You'll be.. You'll be deep in a bunker. You'll be like oh fuck I forgot about Earthquakes I'll be totally fucked down here in this bunker If. There's an earthquake and then you're like okay I need a I need it to be in the Sky. No I need it to be on the Moon. And then you live on the moon and you're like fuck. There's no asteroid defense on the moon and it's like ah I don't know kind of like the same Hedonic treadmill where you are just so focused on material. Um things. You're like oh I need a better house and a better car and a better this and a better that and you know realistically ah, most people just want to feel ah like they're in flow with whatever the thing they're doing is some sort of play.

01:04:01.73

Dr_ Placebo

For some people play is playing cards with their friends or having ah an adult beverage with friends and just talking but people really just want to play more than anything else. But if you're so hellbent on like I got to get safe I got to get safe I got to get safe. You're just gonna be stuck in your lizard brain. So You're not going to make a very good forwardthink decision. You're gonna make short-term decisions that assuage the fear of the lizard. So You know we have those 3 tiers lizard mammal and wizard and if you don't feel safe. You're gonna be stuck in Lizard mode and be like I got to get safe I got to get safe I got to get safe. You won't go to the mammal level where you're like I got to find love I Got to find love I Got to find love of course it's the easiest thing to find you just you just be Love. That's it. It's it's like. The easiest thing ever and the hardest thing for most people to do and if you feel safe if you feel that not only are you loved but you are loved then you have this wizard brain that can be creative and think of new things and. Tell jokes and play music and play games and think about what would be good in the future without being totally trapped by the fear of the lizard or the lack of love in the mammal. But if you're if you're stuck just like being bounced around from fear to fear.

01:05:34.19

Dr_ Placebo

Via Terrorism I mean you're just playing into the hands of the people who are profiting from that terrorism right.

01:05:39.82

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and you got to be careful I mean media? What what media are you consuming the fact that you're here consuming this media I think you've made a good choice. But yeah, if you're consuming Cnn Msnbc Fox News they're gonna be just scaring a shit out of you all the time. Um. And then.

01:05:59.37

Dr_ Placebo

And it and it probably won't even change your decisions in like a constructive way. It'll just make you. It'll just make you more afraid right.

01:06:03.38

mikebledsoe

Not in a good way Now it'll make you more it. Ah you know you got fight flight freeze most people freeze you know I don't know what to do I'm going to freeze and they they they freeze in.

01:06:13.20

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

01:06:20.43

mikebledsoe

Being able to move forward in their life. Um, so you got also need to look at who you're hanging out with if you're hanging out with people who are always talking about prepping for the apocalypse you're probably not going to make a lot of forward motion in your life. Ah, if shit hits the fan. You might be a little more prepared may probably not.

01:06:34.11

Dr_ Placebo

Totally.

01:06:39.15

mikebledsoe

Because my my whole thing on it is I hang out with some people who sometimes get a little far into the prepper mode and I help you know fish them out a little bit and then I also have another group of friends who that never crosses their mind whatsoever and every you know unicorns and rainbows are coming.

01:06:49.62

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

01:06:55.75

Dr_ Placebo

At once.

01:06:58.91

mikebledsoe

The reality is somewhere in the middle and the but it's helpful because I like to visit the friends that are unicorns and rainbows because it helps balance me out ah from like hanging out with people who are like freaking out the end is coming I'm like look.

01:07:00.72

Dr_ Placebo

Right? so.

01:07:17.88

mikebledsoe

Things are gonna change. It may be really uncomfortable but like as you were saying the impermanence is always there So how it changes and you think you're gonna predict that I've never predicted how something was going to go accurately. Ah.

01:07:29.70

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

01:07:37.27

mikebledsoe

I Mean only vague predictions will be like oh this guy will win. This guy will lose or this even then my predictions aren't that great like the the track record's not amazing is like oh this business work. This one won't well I thought all my businesses were gonna work and not all of them did so not the way I.

01:07:45.00

Dr_ Placebo

A.

01:07:55.82

mikebledsoe

Not the way I wanted them to um, they worked in their own way and so same thing with life.

01:07:59.75

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Ah so you want the preppers you want the preppers to set up your insurance and you want to hang with the unicorn and rainbow crew because it's going to be a lot more fun. Ah.

01:08:07.67

mikebledsoe

I Don't let out my secret man.

01:08:17.27

Dr_ Placebo

Oh Wow I couldn't have figured that who could have figured that out.

01:08:18.94

mikebledsoe

Ah, blowing my cover bro. Yeah.

01:08:23.52

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, ah boy I'm sure no one would think of that your plus plus if everyone else do is does it then you can't right? That's like ah it.

01:08:32.18

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean we might end up with a lot of really healthy adjusted people if they all did what I did but instead I need to keep some of them in the clouds and some of them in in deep fear.

01:08:44.66

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's not ah, it's well it's not a 0 sum game right? It's actually the more like so the micro level like for you and I as individuals. Um the more value that. We can provide the better off. We are the more concrete. Um, our values are the more that we know and can love ourselves the easier it is to make decisions and broadly speaking in a community the more value every individual provides the healthier that. Community is because if you have people who earn nothing and don't provide anything of value. Well here's what you can do you can work. You can beg and you can steal and those are the only 3 ways you can get stuff Basically so if everyone. Has something valuable then we can all work and earn and the overall value and the health of the group economy community whatever is significantly higher I mean that's hopefully what's happening here is there's a small group of people. Maybe a large group of people who are listening to these are like oh yeah, you know what? I I now can work past this fear I was having and maybe I can ah accept my own mortality a little bit more so I can create more value for myself and that has.

01:10:19.11

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, a network effect to everything around them or a butterfly effect or a domino effect. Whatever ah analogy works for you right? So it's um, when everybody does better every does everybody does better even though that sounds really stupid. But it's true.

01:10:30.76

mikebledsoe

Yeah, and the only time that's not it doesn't seem like it's true is when people start getting into comparison. It's like the United States due to capitalism has become the wealthiest country on the planet and the average person is.

01:10:37.89

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

01:10:47.62

mikebledsoe

Look if you're an american you are the 1 % globally and yet people can't seem to to understand that. Um, so it's good to the only the only time that's not going to apply is if you start getting into to relative comparisons. Inside of ah ah, a small bubble which might be a a single country.

01:11:18.70

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, that's true and and we're taught to look look up right? Who's doing better than us. Um, and if it's inspirational for you Then that's good and if it makes you envious then that's probably not as good.

01:11:19.76

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:11:35.39

Dr_ Placebo

Because as we like to say envy is the only one of the 7 deadly sins that you can't have any fun at so why? bother? ah.

01:11:42.78

mikebledsoe

I I yeah say we shut it down at that max you want to summarize I mean I think we we had ah another show that was full of many different topics.

01:11:58.62

Dr_ Placebo

Well I I really enjoyed myself and as far as value is concerned I think there's hardly anything more valuable than your physical and mental health and if you'd like to put some skin in the game you can order. A program at macshank.com and you will be much better for it and I thank you all for listening Mike.

01:12:20.11

mikebledsoe

Excellent. Yeah I'm still up to some secret stuff. You can get on that email list on the the link over in my Instagram account people have been trickling in to strong trickle. Um, and yeah. I'll email you about what's coming up. Got a new course I'm launching the day before this podcast comes out. So if you're not checking the emails and you're already missed out but I'll be ah, posting some more stuff up in the next month so be prepared.

01:12:36.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

01:12:55.52

mikebledsoe

And my yeah, yeah, it's it's exciting stuff my Instagram account at Mike Underscore bloodso and I'll see you guys next week

01:12:56.66

Dr_ Placebo

Very exciting.

01:13:03.56

Dr_ Placebo

Mean. Love you buddy.

00:10.29

Dr_ Placebo

Welcome back to Monday mornings with max and Mike Today we're going to talk about Mike's funny glasses and we're gonna continue to cut through the Bs where we see it and then we're gonna add some BS. of our own Mike what's up and what's up with the glasses.

00:33.17

mikebledsoe

Absolutely only the most helpful BS in the world. So ah, you know I had to get the we've already used that title. Ah.

00:38.00

Dr_ Placebo

Oh can we call this episode constructive lives fuck. Okay I Guess that's really all there is is that all language Anyway, whatever right.

00:48.14

mikebledsoe

ah ah I mean the enlightened folk out there I think I would tell you that. So yeah, the glasses are to solve ah a problem that was created by trying to solve a problem that we're trying to solve a problem. So. Ah, basically well these are blue light blocking glasses. So these are not my I still have twenty I'm forty years old 2020 vision to this day I ah I have to acknowledge my parents for their good genetics.

01:19.73

Dr_ Placebo

Quit bragging.

01:26.50

mikebledsoe

And ah and and my own personal work of doing a lot of things outdoors. No but ah, it's funny because I did start getting some floaters in my eyes and but not I mean I don't even notice them unless I'm like staring at the blue sky you know type of thing. But I.

01:37.10

Dr_ Placebo

E.

01:46.21

mikebledsoe

Was somebody asked me about their floaters and I go I go you know I'm not really sure what it is but I'm sure that if your body is incredibly healthy and doesn't carry a heavy toxic load and a lot of inflammation your eyes are probably eye health overall is going to do well. But so um. Was like you know what? and it's funny after that conversation I started noticing I was like oh when I'm looking at screens all day. My eyes I can tell like there's I go from being in my living room and then I sit down I have this I have a really big screen at my desk and I got the screen.

02:22.70

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

02:23.68

mikebledsoe

To improve my posture. So if you if you've got a tiny screen you're more likely to be hunched over trying to look at it and your head's gonna jut forward. But if you have a big screen. It's positioned right? You actually have to like sit back a little bit your chin tucks and you go into a much better posture. So I got this big screen and then I.

02:33.46

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

02:42.81

mikebledsoe

Realize that my eyes are just getting blasted by a ton of blue light when I'm looking. There's artificial light I'm just staring right at it for hours and hour hours and hour hours and hours a day and I was like oh I need to get some blue light blocking glasses. So these are like my daytime I have some that.

02:47.24

Dr_ Placebo

And.

03:01.32

mikebledsoe

When the sun goes down I just swap it out with something that's more heavy duty. Ah and when I wear these glasses my eyes like my nervous system. Overall it's not just my eyes. My nervous system tends to be calmer throughout the day so looking into the blue light all day without anything to block it. Yeah. It was frying me. So yeah, we'll see. We'll see if.

03:21.60

Dr_ Placebo

I Smell a sponsor.

03:30.11

mikebledsoe

You got to be on my email list be on my email list. You might get links to the you know these products these magical products.

03:31.34

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, ah, um, man and ah, all right all right I like it. You know I noticed um because I play tennis and. I Don't know if you know but you really need to be able to see quite well to play tennis at a distance in a variety of light scenarios and I noticed a couple times when I was on the computer a bunch before it Just absolutely. Put my ability to see the tennis ball in the basement. It was really rough. So I try to think of it like you know, um, like rpgs like role-playing video games and some you know you're you're going around. Maybe you're fighting monsters or some shit. But occasionally you find yourself.

04:10.54

mikebledsoe

Here.

04:28.90

Dr_ Placebo

A little console and I kind of think of ah life that way a little bit. It's a role-playing game and I try to be really mindful of how much time I'm spending at the console.. There should be a really compelling Reason. To use the screens basically and we we really we really don't know what the total cost is um, certainly there's the old ah example of the accountant becomes nearsighted and the farmer becomes farsighted. Right? And so I think the cycling between is the key.

05:06.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, dude I I agree this is a I love we're talking about this because Ashley and I oh my my mistake, my fiance and I forget her name. Ah yeah.

05:21.39

Dr_ Placebo

Jennifer should come up with a fake name.

05:23.75

mikebledsoe

Do that now I'm gonna be in trouble. Ah, she'll be the last person listen to this show. She she hears me rant enough. Ah the we we were having date night last night and one these little fancy blind bars. We had bread and accoutrements.

05:34.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

05:41.63

mikebledsoe

And i't know what that word means but I know when I order it I Love the food that's put in front of me So the ah the oh yeah, the charouty as well.

05:53.29

Dr_ Placebo

Charcotery is what I like I can say feed me meat and cheese in like 10 languages.

06:00.81

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean that's that's that's the necessary skills to have any travel. So. It's basically food and and bathrooms. But ah ah we were talking about Myopia and so I had I. Talked about ah I saw a study there day and said there's a huge rides in Myopia and that is nearsightedness that means that people can see just fine something that's in the room with them but something that they try to see far away appears to be blurry and um. You know it's attributed to the fact that everyone's looking at things really close but hardly ever looking at anything very far away and ah that that had me thinking about a concept and I don't know where I picked this up but I I didn't invent it myself.

06:45.19

Dr_ Placebo

Edit.

06:56.68

mikebledsoe

Which is ah basically the idea is that the more time you spend looking close if you're in a room and all that your your brain actually has a hard time conceptualizing very far out into the future your ability to project. Further out your ability to consider more is hindered and so your eyes are basically just like your your brain is reaching out in front to try to capture some sense of the world and ah if you spend a lot of time.

07:29.63

Dr_ Placebo

A.

07:34.42

mikebledsoe

And a small space. You're probably gonna think small thoughts. You're gonna have there's gonna small thinking your ability to think into the future is gonna be minimized and you know what? what? Mate. What I thought about next is you know the last two and a half years people spent. There's a 2 wo-year period where a lot of people probably the most people most people who were already indoors way too much now decide to lock themselves inside a house and stare at screens instead of.

07:52.34

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

08:08.21

mikebledsoe

Instead of looking at somebody who's ten feet away they're always eighteen inches away and if you're on your phone dude it's it's like it's one foot away from your face. So now you have an entire population of people who are near so ah near sighted they're they're myopic their thinking becomes myopic. So.

08:09.71

Dr_ Placebo

M.

08:27.38

mikebledsoe

As above so below. So whatever's happening in your physical world is going to dictate how your internal world is if you're living in a messy chaotic space your mind is likely gonna be a little messy and chaotic. So this I remember back to when I was living in California and remember. You remember my house and had that big window that was just dude I spent most of my time like I would wake up and walk in the backyard and look over the cliff into the expanse of the ocean and all that and at any time I could leave my computer and put my eyes out there. And it was all it was really nice to be able to get that that contrast and I and it felt good now. You had the practice of looking across the way and trying to spot little boats or a house down the way and to help with my eyesight and.

09:14.56

Dr_ Placebo

A.

09:23.80

mikebledsoe

And it got me thinking about just my ability to operate in business if I'm in front of a computer screen all the time you know how does that hinder my ability to plan for the future to see greater opportunities or am I going to be able to just see what's in front of me right now.

09:42.42

Dr_ Placebo

Man I love what you said there starting about ah 2 two and a half minutes ago in case, anyone wants to timestamp this for later ah, because as soon as you said myopia I was thinking ah visual and psychological right? You get totally locked in.

09:54.20

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

10:00.19

Dr_ Placebo

Your your world literally shrinks your peripheral vision goes away and from just a more mechanical standpoint your muscles in your eyes and just outside your eyes are going to learn to stay frozen. In that certain area. You know most people are looking between twelve inches and twenty four inches away from their face all the time and if you want to do that. That's fine, but just understand there are going to be tremendous costs to this behavior right. The muscles on the inside of your eyes and outside of your eyes are going to start to freeze into that position because remember your body is always and exactly adapting to whatever you do so just the same way if you sit in a chair all the time your body is going to go. Okay, we sit in a chair a lot How do we make sitting in a chair easier. So if you're looking at a screen that's right in front of you or even papers that are right in front of you which I would argue is a little healthier for you to not have light emitting straight at you but instead have it be bouncing off a page but. Ah, you know before there were screens people were still damaging their ability to see further away by honing in on something really close like a scholar or an accountant or something like that.

11:32.78

Dr_ Placebo

Going to get really good at looking at little spreadsheets but they're not going to be very good at seeing far away and it kind of reminds me once again of specialization. It's so useful to have you know 1 person counting the beans. They're locked away in an office all day. And then you have the visionary who never has to look at a spreadsheet in his life. He just looks up from the highest tower to survey the whole situation and lets someone else take care of the details and probably the best. Progress I've made in my life was when I had a clear um separation between those activities. So someone who was really specialized in those minor details. Would take care of that while I was able to see more like the big picture and connecting all these different ideas. So the ah connection between your vision. Ah,, let's call it physically. And your vision psychologically is completely interlinked and there are even um, different physiological responses to the position of your eyes even just looking up for a while.

13:02.96

Dr_ Placebo

Been playing a little volleyball recently and so of course I've I've tried to break down all of the volleyball shots and the stances that you find yourself in and sort of like deconstruct volleyball because I don't like to be bad at Sports I like to be good enough to really enjoy them. And I was just thinking how in volleyball you're basically looking straight ahead or up the entire time and I was like wow this would probably be 1 of the best things for people to do just force them to look up and extend. If they're spending tons of time looking. Let's say down at a 30 to sixty degree angle now they're looking up at a 30 to sixty degree angle and everything is up and the hand-eye coordination. Everything is pointed upwards so that. Ah, equal and opposite force could be really beneficial. So just not only the um the distance away from the object and certainly being able to track an object in and out is one of the more fundamental visual skills but also just the angle. Of your eyes has a big influence on your nervous system. You know you snap your eyes up. You should be going into extension. You snap your eyes down. You should be going into flexion so like a fetal position so the position of your eyes and the distance away.

14:33.56

Dr_ Placebo

Is going to have a big influence on your nervous system Vision's really complex. So one of the most complex things to understand.

14:37.96

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the the other thing is is I mean if you study any body language like I I watched a bunch of videos by this guy who worked for some intelligence agency where he was. Talking about? Well you can you know their eyes do this. It's a tell right? and then I got into a little bit of Nlp and it's you and you can you can watch people when you're talking to them now and you'll I'll ask somebody a question and they'll start looking up into the right or up into the left.

15:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

E.

15:08.26

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

15:14.15

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

15:16.38

mikebledsoe

And then if I ask them how they're feeling and if they're going to be honest with me a lot of times they'll look down like their eyes will will settle straight ahead into my eyes or they'll drop down or they'll they'll want to close their eyes and so yeah, well the the idea the idea that I'm thinking about.

15:30.00

Dr_ Placebo

Submissive.

15:35.59

mikebledsoe

Is is when the eyes go up a lot of times they're searching for something in the mind they're looking for a memory right in some people say I don't know how accurate this is up into the right you know is more creative processes are going and that part of the brain up into the left is a little more linear thinking more organized.

15:40.36

Dr_ Placebo

E o.

15:55.40

mikebledsoe

And so I mean I've watched people as I ask them questions and be in conversation. They're looking up and then they're looking to the right and up to the left and I can I can like I can actually see them searching for the information they're looking for.

15:57.51

Dr_ Placebo

I.

16:09.28

Dr_ Placebo

That's why I always just roll my eyes whenever you talk so you can't get a read on.

16:14.86

mikebledsoe

Um, but yeah, ah I mean try try looking up and looking down and see how that impacts.

16:15.40

Dr_ Placebo

But but.

16:23.73

mikebledsoe

Your experience in that moment. I mean anyone can try this right now just look down or close your eyes see what happens look up see what goat happens and to me for me. It does it shifts I can I can watch my awareness. Go up into my head or my awareness fall into my body.

16:43.60

Dr_ Placebo

Well, that's amazing I Think a good example is the connection I'll just bring it back to movement because that's sort of my thing still I Guess if you want to like mellow yourself out. You would basically take a lightweight and do some Romanian Deadlifts and you would look down you would you would you would look down.

17:18.10

Dr_ Placebo

You would kind of bend over so you're folding into that fetal Position. You wouldn't stand all the way up and that's going to bring you down that's going to take your nervous system way way down and then um, the opposite would be. You're doing something where you're looking up. And exploding upward whether that's throwing a medicine ball or a sandbag in the air. Um, ah, jumping all that kind of stuff you go up explosively man you are going to jack your nervous system up big Time. So. 1 of the things I've noticed is you can use the eye position as a way to influence the nervous system. Especially if you sync it up with ah synergistic movements along those lines is really powerful. Yeah, you take someone in the very beginning of a session.

18:01.19

mikebledsoe

I Like that.

18:08.51

Dr_ Placebo

And they're all lethargic and you have them throw a medicine ball up overhead as high and far as they can and snap their eyes upward and within a few repetitions they're they're just absolutely bringing up the level into more sympathetic which is where you're going to get a little more aggression. And then at the end if you want to bring someone back down, you just have them do something kind of eyes down and I'll just say fetal Ish position. Yeah.

18:38.65

mikebledsoe

Interesting I like that a lot I like that a lot um are you familiar with Paul check's totem.

18:47.15

Dr_ Placebo

No, ah no.

18:51.21

mikebledsoe

Basically has a hierarchy of of what dictates the health of the body. So at the bottom of the totem pole is the Musculo skeletal system and then you have the organs and then you have ah ah I think breath. And then you have ah your jaw basically your ability to masticate and then you go up level the stibular system and then you go to the ocular system which is the eyes and then above that is consciousness and all of all of like.

19:12.31

Dr_ Placebo

Oo a.

19:26.83

mikebledsoe

The idea is consciousness as we were talking about last week is what if something's off in your consciousness. It's going to filter down into your ocular vestibular your jaw your breath your organs and your musculoskeletal system. So if you end up with an injury. It may not just be 1 thing so ah say more.

19:47.18

Dr_ Placebo

It reminds me of the neural hierarchy. That's what I've heard which is visual vestibular and propriepptive so visual is the highest vestibular is second inropriacceptive which is your your body and your stuff is third and I've had. Lots of firsthand experience where improving someone's ability to see whether that's just moving their eyes or tracking an object through space has had a really significant difference I mean it feels like Voodoo almost. The fact that some people can have a pain in their back or their shoulder. We do something with their eyes and then it resolves itself and the the criticism of stuff like that is they're like oh well, it won't maybe it won't stay that way but I I would say that anything you can do. To get someone out of the fire basically and into a situation where they can move. Well again is really valuable. So I've seen how that neural hierarchy has played out to be true. You know if someone's got a visual problem. And they don't know that they have a visual problem and their leg hurts. You can do leg circles forever. But it doesn't resolve the root cause which is higher up on the hierarchy just like you know if you.

21:20.50

Dr_ Placebo

Give someone liposuction but you'd never repair their relationship with food. They're just going to get fat Again, you know what I mean so it's about addressing things at the root cause of it and the neural hierarchy is a top-down understanding I mean that's why I say vision is so complex because.

21:24.84

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

21:39.70

Dr_ Placebo

Our whole frame of the world is based on our ability to distinguish 1 thing from another and being able to label those things so when you see something it's fucking insane. But is actually really going on like we talk about all the different words that the eskimos or inuits have for snow a lot of different words for green and all of it has to do with being able to distinguish 1 thing from another and initially it was just ah like which way is up. Ah, is this thing going to eat me or not in fact, the evolution of the eye is a really interesting thing. There's a book ah by Isaac Asimov who I thought was just a sci-fi writer but he was also a science writer and it's called the human body structure and operation and it talks about.

22:33.29

Dr_ Placebo

Evolution of an eye which started out just as a few um photosensitive cells that could basically just detect photons so you know on the body of some organism. They can detect light or no light and then it turned into a little cup. So It could take in a little bit more light and then this eyeball evolved over time and that's also why like a lot of sea creatures are black on the top and white on the bottom so they are camouflaged against the surrounding environment. If You're an orcca whale and you're above something you're coming out of the they're coming out of the light so you want your belly to be light colored and if you're lower, You're going to be coming out of the darkness so you want the top to be darkly colored and a lot of fish are colored that way specifically. So It's a. Quite an interesting game of cat and mouse between vision and camouflage. Really interesting.

23:33.73

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, just goes back and forth. Yeah I think I was watching one of these dock 2 series on like a planet earth or something like that and they were talking about the evolution of the eye and how basically. The the basic functions of our eyes are the same as the a fish and just kind of basically well really.

24:00.33

Dr_ Placebo

I think I was saying that last week. Yeah, maybe to you maybe to someone else I talk about that all the time because um, that's there's more similar than there is different. With animals and the fact that a fish eye in your eye are so crazy similar is that blows my mind really because that's a very different creature but in a lot of ways you know they eat or get eaten.

24:27.13

mikebledsoe

It's tripping.

24:35.48

Dr_ Placebo

Shit stuff out and they have to see what's going on and we're not that different fundamentally. Of course we have all this other ah different stuff like language and metaphor and symbolism and arguably more complex relationships. But even a lot of very simple creatures. Have eyes I mean even ah tardigrades which are like the little water bears. Um, there are really really tiny microorganisms that can survive the.

25:02.68

mikebledsoe

Are they that that like the smallest are they the smallest living Organism or.

25:11.15

Dr_ Placebo

They no no, no, no, no, they're really weird. They have like 6 legs they're they can survive the vacuum of space they can turn into a crystal if there's not enough water it can survive like radiation. They're really weird. Ah they're. Called water bears but the real name is a tardigrade and they have tiny little eyes. It's a single cell little black spot here and here just in the same place that you would imagine an eye should be and even they have these little eyes. It's it's really trippy. It's it's a huge advantage in the primordial soup to be able to see a little bit further and we talk about ah projection on this show quite a lot and so being able to see further literally with your eyes. And then being able to see further. Let's say ah philosophically or symbolically with like your third eye and being able to project and plan into the future goes right in line with what you were saying before about that myopia of we could call it a. Mindopia like myopia of the mind. Basically that is ah synchronous with the myopia of the vision and once again, it's it's fine because that's how we get the comparative advantage of having someone who's purely focused on a few details.

26:25.82

mikebledsoe

Ah.

26:42.81

Dr_ Placebo

While someone else can be focused on the big picture and not bother with those details so much.

26:57.23

Dr_ Placebo

It's like having a lookout on a ship. Their job is to see and the Captain's job is to choose what to do about that.

27:03.46

mikebledsoe

Very specialized.

27:08.14

Dr_ Placebo

That's that's the name of our game. We specialize you you go kill the stuff I'll cook it I don't know why I made myself the lady in that example, right? there but but that's what it is specialization. Yeah no.

27:21.87

mikebledsoe

Ah I'll be the dude I'll be the dude I okay well at the end of the conversation I had with my fiancee last night was you know what do we do because you know I did go we but we both left.

27:25.38

Dr_ Placebo

No, one's going to believe that though.

27:38.90

mikebledsoe

California we're living in Texas and there you know, depending on where you live you may have some views that you can look out really far but where we live that's not really the case so spend a lot of time indoors especially because it gets so hot and we get outdoors quite a bit but. If I were to look at the amount of time I spend indoors and looking at screens versus out in nature and looking far away. The ratio is skewed a bit so we've made a commitment to spend more time outdoors my birthday. We're going to go backpacking. We'll be in tahoe next week um

28:16.85

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, nice.

28:17.90

mikebledsoe

You know? So we'll be so we're doing that and spend a lot of time in nature. Go hiking every day and yeah, so I think that I mean the way I I typically run my life is and ah you know just a sequence of extreme events and it's like. Extreme smallness in my my office and then going out and being nature for 3 4 or five days and then come back to the office for a week and then back and forth which I think is okay for a period of time but the overall goal is to live somewhere where I can regularly. Exercise my vision and and yeah and have that balance.

29:00.98

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, maybe take up bird watching probably some birds down there in Texas really you have a little journal.

29:06.50

mikebledsoe

Dude I did so much bird watching when I was in California I ah I you know I lived on that lagoon and I had those I had those? no but I would go out there and I I could I got to where I could predict. No. Every month there was a different type of bird that was coming into the trees these trees in the backyard and they'd be migrating and coming through and then these birds would come hang out for February and then they would disappear and then in April another different type of bird would be hanging out in the same trees. Ah, and.

29:24.50

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

29:28.93

Dr_ Placebo

O.

29:38.11

mikebledsoe

Yeah I spent a lot of time out there just checking the birds out.

29:44.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah that's a really ah engaging activity. Actually it's really weird. It's kind of like ah I had this idea that if you see a shooting star. It's lucky, but really. Is it lucky because you are making a wish on the shooting star because if you are that's cool. You're setting an intention. But also if you just happen to be outside looking at the night sky enough that you see shooting stars then that already means like you're bringing that luck. Into your life like that's a healthy behavior and you know it's not like ah this is good and this is bad kind of thing but you know if you are looking at something like straight. Ah you know eighteen inches in front of you ah getting that tunnel vision versus. Actually laying outside and looking at the stars. It's a very different kind of experience. So even if you don't make a wish you just happen to put yourself in a situation where you can see some some shooting stars. It's like you already did the thing that sets you up. For a little bit more peace of mind and relaxation.

30:57.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah, how often do use Stargas I don't do it hardly at all anymore it it only happens when I'm traveling and I'm out of the city because the city really messes it up.

31:08.20

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

31:13.30

Dr_ Placebo

Um, ah the last few weeks of having puppies I've done very little I've done more helping them chase crickets so ah, looking down I'll like find 1 and point it out and then let them go like try to catch it.

31:21.52

mikebledsoe

Perfect.

31:30.91

Dr_ Placebo

At night but I would say at least once a week I was ah laying outside at night. Um, and just looking up and it's it's ah another one of those really soothing experience it and it's not for everybody like I mean you don't have to do any of that shit it just. Can be a ah nice way to sort of temper the constant ah dopamine buffet that we have available to us.

31:59.24

mikebledsoe

All right? This is probably the first time I mean since the invention of the light bulb is you know the last hundred hundred and fifty years I mean really for the average person hundred years the first time that star gazing was not a thing.

32:16.28

Dr_ Placebo

M.

32:18.67

mikebledsoe

Sun goes down. Everyone's hanging out there's little to do after dark. Maybe you got some candlelight but the stars I mean when you know when you go out into the country you get away from the city. The the stars are so much easier to see it's It's something worth looking at. But if you're.

32:22.37

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

32:30.35

Dr_ Placebo

And.

32:36.30

mikebledsoe

And L a and you're trying to look at the stars. Good luck.

32:40.86

Dr_ Placebo

Right? I mean you'll still see stars. You just won't see as many and I would argue that you're better off to to look up at least a little bit I mean should we just call that ah call this episode look up even.

32:42.61

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

32:57.26

Dr_ Placebo

Even that the metaphor of look up is ah synonymous with having a positive attitude right? You can you can look up. You can also look down on somebody. That's a pretty ah unhealthy behavior I would argue you.

33:11.24

mikebledsoe

Look up to look down on.

33:15.53

Dr_ Placebo

Look up to somebody yeah look up to look down on. Yeah, it's It's pretty big.

33:18.41

mikebledsoe

You know.

33:35.10

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, do you do any? ah exercises for your vision.

33:39.25

mikebledsoe

Ah, there's one I don't do it frequently enough. But um one I like to do is I wrap a towel around my head um Criss Crosss it to basically keep my head from being the thing that turns basically stabilize that and then take my eyes I got a mandala.

33:50.92

Dr_ Placebo

And. E.

33:56.77

mikebledsoe

Hangs in my garage gym and I circle the mandala with my eyes and I'm I'm really focused on going slow and smooth and then if I find an area where my eyes want to skip which everyone will find some area. It's like oh down and to the right.

34:13.19

Dr_ Placebo

E.

34:16.27

mikebledsoe

My eye kind of jumped from here to here. Can I go back smooth it out and then keep going and if you can if you can go each way you know from right? you know, clockwise and counterclockwise around the mendala smoothly then you're going to be in a pretty good space. Ah.

34:18.90

Dr_ Placebo

In a.

34:36.36

mikebledsoe

That's also one way that they're able to see if you had a concussion in the past is if you're if you're either unable to I remember I was I being worked on once and I couldn't look up to the right I think it was.

34:40.10

Dr_ Placebo

He.

34:52.91

mikebledsoe

Was having trouble looking up to the right? they were doing an eye test on me and they were like oh did you have a concussion and you know where were you hit now. Of course I don't know which concussion they're talking about ah but the the ah.

35:05.10

Dr_ Placebo

So.

35:10.14

mikebledsoe

They they said oh yeah, a lot of times people they were hit up and to the right, their nervous system remembers that it basically thinks it's still happening and then it's that reaction to try to you know your eyes lead the way and you and you get away from whatever. Ah.

35:19.74

Dr_ Placebo

6

35:29.69

mikebledsoe

Force was coming at you and having maybe having some damage to the brain in that area keeps your eyes from being able to go back up and so one of the ways to help heal. The brain is through vision.

35:47.54

Dr_ Placebo

Absolutely I think being able to or not being able to but doing a few um circles with the eyes closed and then with the eyes open really smooth is a very simplified and good way to. Improve your ah overall ability to interact with your environment and then another good thing to add is throwing a ball against a wall with some letters drawn on it and calling out the letter that you see right before you catch it. So You're really tracking something in space I would say.

36:21.42

mikebledsoe

So you got letters on the wall. Oh on the ball.

36:24.80

Dr_ Placebo

Those are probably 2 of the biggest ones on the ball so you take a tennis you take a tennis ball and if you imagine the tennis ball is a cube you draw a letter or a number on each of the 6 faces of the cube. So whatever, whatever you see last you call that out. And do you have to draw anything on it. No, but if you do you're going to track it a little bit longer. So it's going to make you a little more attentive to staying focused on the ball. So even if that was all you did I mean I've written tons of stuff. About vision. It's in a lot of the programs that I've made. But if you just did some ah eyes closed circles and then eyes open circles and then throw a ball against a wall and track it through space that is going to go a really really long way. To improving your overall eye ability and if you do find a spot that's difficult. Um, you know, hold those 8 cardinal directions up up to the right, right? down right down down left left up left and back through.

37:20.00

mikebledsoe

I Like that a lot.

37:38.57

Dr_ Placebo

And what's interesting is if you do it with the eyes closed. You can focus a lot more on the extra ocular muscles because you're not receiving a lot of input about like oh I'm trying to look at this or that you can really just focus on the movement of the balls in the sockets.

37:54.41

mikebledsoe

You can feel it more.

37:57.16

Dr_ Placebo

Actually some of the yeah, it's some of the fastest muscles blinking is the fastest thing but your eyes can move really fast, pretty pretty fascinating that we can like look and cover so much distance. Like you can cover way more distance by looking and moving your eyes than you can by moving your body So It's a huge huge advantage. A lot of creatures don't have eyes and they figure it out just fine. They basically have to sniff and bump into stuff.

38:21.90

mikebledsoe

From.

38:30.63

mikebledsoe

Yeah I was ah I was watching a ah documentary on hunting and they were talking about they they were with these tribes people who had basically um. They would find an animal. They want to hunt and then they would basically creep up on it and then chase it until it ah was exhausted and they would kill it persistent hunting and um it was.

38:59.10

Dr_ Placebo

And persistence hunting.

39:06.97

mikebledsoe

Really interesting because I mean the the human body is made for that endurance. It's able to endure whereas an animal. Maybe some of these animals may be really fast but they can't cool off fast enough ah like a cheeah like you chase it long enough. It's going to tuck her out.

39:16.74

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, like a cheetah. Yeah. But dude Cheetahs have absolutely shit endurance like they can they can They can hum their motor for like cats in general but Cheetahs especially they can rev it really high but they just can't go very long and.

39:26.22

mikebledsoe

So yeah I think that's cats in general.

39:41.27

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

39:45.30

Dr_ Placebo

I I talk about this all the time actually because if you look at the human body ah compared to a lot of other animals. It's It's so fucking flimsy it's were. We're Squishy. We're Squishy. We don't have Claws. No armor, no poison. No Venom We're not particularly Fast. We're not particularly Strong. We don't have a lot of offspring. It's It's like really sad but we have Thumbs. We have neocortex and by working together. That's basically good enough that we can have these like.

40:17.39

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

40:21.50

Dr_ Placebo

Squishy Bipedal bodies and just dominate every other animal.

40:24.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah I mean one of the things about the persistent persistence hunting the two things that stood out to me was one is we as humans can keep our bodies cooler for long distance than than a lot of these animals and then.

40:42.28

Dr_ Placebo

Sweating.

40:42.68

mikebledsoe

Yeah, just being able to sweat versus you know, most perspiration coming through the mouth through a lot of these maybe an antelope or something like that that they're chasing down or a buffalo and the other thing is ah if you look at the anatomy of a lot of apes.

40:51.57

Dr_ Placebo

That's why dogs pant and.

41:01.81

mikebledsoe

They I don't remember the exact like joint it is That's in the neck you may know that allows us to stabilize our vision on the horizon while we run So ah, a typical ape wouldn't actually okay.

41:16.72

Dr_ Placebo

It's a vestibular ocular reflex. So that's one of the drills I have people do in Primal Athleticism is to keep your gaze fixed on a spot on the wall. You can draw a spot or put a Post-it note and you move your head left and right you tilt it left and right.

41:20.74

mikebledsoe

Is this a.

41:25.58

mikebledsoe

They have.

41:34.22

Dr_ Placebo

And you nod up and down and you can stay focused on the spot over there. You can do figure eights and if I do figure eights I can still see you crystal clear and that's that's pretty wild. Yeah yeah, this yeah.

41:45.58

mikebledsoe

I Like that just doing it with you for the people who are only listening which is everybody. Ah.

41:52.23

Dr_ Placebo

You're really missing out on our funny head movements while we stare into each other's eyes.

41:53.79

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it really stood out to me is the the thing that really the the 2 things that allowed humans to consume more meat and more what I would imagine be enough fat. To to sit well 2 things. The fat helps build the brain and gives you the ability to sit and think because you you get a ton of calories for you know you expend some calories you kill the animal. But now you have a lot of calories to sit around. And consider things or to build something whereas ah most animals I think they spend their days finding the food chewing. Well a lot of apes I know it's chewing. Yeah.

42:36.28

Dr_ Placebo

It's chewing chewing and it's just chewing. They're just chewing all fucking. How do you get to be a giant gorilla with huge muscles and you're a vegetarian you have to be chewing all fucking day. You're just chewing all day.

42:50.13

mikebledsoe

All day.

42:55.61

Dr_ Placebo

And we have these vertical bodies So We're also not encumbered by gravity the same way like if you imagine just how much less work you have to do by stacking your entire mass like a pillar. Instead of like a bridge. You know if you're a quadruped you're basically doing a plank all fucking day. So you're constantly expending energy just to to stand. Let alone walk. You're expending even more energy. So The fact that we can use our Skeleton to support our structure in.

43:17.83

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

43:33.36

Dr_ Placebo

Perfect alignment with gravity more or less with these nice Arches through the neck and the spine and the hips and of course our hips are highly optimized for ah, walking and running especially walking. It allows us to cover a lot of ground much slower. But a lot more ground with a lot less energy expenditure. It's incredible and see further. It's like we're in a constant ah prairie dog position where we're up being able to see further along the horizon right.

43:53.59

mikebledsoe

Yeah, what.

44:05.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the do you have any exercises for working peripheral vision specifically it seems like the the figure 9 might help a bit.

44:18.91

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, ah, um, so if you're doing it yourself. You bring your arms all the way out to the side and you start. Ah, you point your Index fingers straight up and you look straight ahead and you start wiggling your fingers and slowly. Bringing your arms forward until you can see your wiggling fingers and what's interesting is um I can't remember which book I wrote it in but the eye loves movement. The eye is attracted to Movement. So if you um, try to see something in your peripherals. That's.

44:38.37

mikebledsoe

No.

44:56.17

Dr_ Placebo

Still,, you're probably not going to see it because what ends up happening is you only see like a small field of vision of your focal vision. It's called versus your peripheral and your brain fills in the rest. This is what this is why vision gets so fucking Crazy is. You see stuff and then your brain fills it in based on what it thinks is supposed to be there. But if you have like wiggling objects come in from the outside of your periphery you're going to see them a lot easier because your eye is attracted to movement and of course that's ah, an evolutionary advantage. That you want to see any shit that's moving way more than stuff that is ah, not moving right? Another another thing you can do for a peripheral vision is if you have like ah a partner to do that for you coming in.

45:38.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, something I want to kill or avoid to be killed by.

45:54.54

Dr_ Placebo

From the peripheral or even throwing a ball over your head in front of you So you're waiting your partner is behind you and he tosses a ball ah over the back of your head into your field of view and you try to catch the ball. As it goes from your peripheral and to your focal vision. Yeah yeah,. But even if you just do the the the finger wiggling thing that'll give you something and it kind of reminds me of that.

46:10.95

mikebledsoe

I Like that a lot that sounds fun.

46:28.92

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, martial Arts Soft eyes where you try to diffuse your focus like the lantern versus the laser like we talk about.

46:44.47

Dr_ Placebo

Right? No, we haven't talked about that I'm getting getting and getting a lot of silence over here.

46:48.56

mikebledsoe

Um, totally I yeah I'm having a you know I didn't get a lot of sleep last night is two weeks in a row I'm just I now I know you.

46:56.87

Dr_ Placebo

Here We go with the fucking excuses you son of a bitch I don't want to hear that shit just fake it.

47:04.97

mikebledsoe

Um, just having I'm having I'm having a time in my life. You're gonna have to carry me a little bit I think we're gonna We're gonna be okay max.

47:10.11

Dr_ Placebo

Um, fake it like your wife cinnamon. Your wife's name is cinnamon Cinnamon cinnamon.

47:17.35

mikebledsoe

Oh yeah, cinnamon cinnamon cinminnamon in oh I think we covered a lot of good ground here. A lot of practical ah advice things for people to do go outdoors.

47:31.10

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

47:35.70

mikebledsoe

Ah, make sure you're looking far I don't think anyone needs to be told to look close I think we're getting plenty of that just make sure you're getting some type of balance there move your eyes around ah circles are great. Ah, what else you say we got. Ah.

47:43.68

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

47:54.25

Dr_ Placebo

So you have ah visual tracking so being able to track a ball coming in at you. Um, there's way more. But for the sake of simplicity. Yeah, even if you just did the eyes closed ah circles and holds.

47:56.58

mikebledsoe

Yep.

48:10.71

Dr_ Placebo

Eyes open circles and holds and then tossed a ball against a wall preferably like twenty Ish feet away and then the other thing I would say is whenever you sit down at a console set a fucking timer. We have. These magic rectangles and one of their functions is that you can set a timer just don't get frozen in any single position. You know you want to have the farmer vision and the accounting vision. You want to have the lantern and the laser and it's the Alternating. You know another thing I have people do um in the primal athleticism program I do nearf far drills which is you basically put a post it on the wall twenty thirty feet away and you draw something on it a letter a number something that you have to really be able to focus on. And then you hold another one in your hand like let's say twelve inches away so you have something that's twelve inches or twenty inches away in your hand and then you have something that's about 20 to thirty feet away on the wall and you basically try to see how quickly you can cycle between focusing on each one so you know let's say I have a written in the post it in my hand and I have b written in the posted on the wall and I'm going to try to cycle between a and b back and forth as quickly as I can and of course you can move the post it around.

49:42.29

Dr_ Placebo

And have it be down a little lower but the main thing is that you're just changing the distance of your focal point because if you're focused on the post it in your hand. You're not going to be able to see what's written on the posted on the wall and if you wanted to you know?? um. Upgraded a little bit. You could write like love on the wall and courage in your hand or something like that. So you have more of like a psychological thing going On. It's you know a little bit sterile to be like ah look at a and then look at B Ah so as long as you're going to do that You might as well.

50:16.36

mikebledsoe

I think you should put Mike and max on these postcards that that you know, ah if you if you go to if you go to the website and there's a lead.

50:20.78

Dr_ Placebo

Right? perfect.

50:31.58

mikebledsoe

Well, there's a pdf over there. Ah.

50:35.95

Dr_ Placebo

This is getting weird I love it. But basically you just cycle back and forth see how quickly and use a metronome if you have 1 available to you get free app on your phone and cycle between the close and the far vision.

50:37.18

mikebledsoe

A.

50:52.20

mikebledsoe

But the you introduced me to using the metronome with training for all sorts of different things that was incredibly useful for me appreciate that I Highly recommend it? yeah.

50:54.93

Dr_ Placebo

So that's another thing you can do. Ah.

51:05.90

Dr_ Placebo

Oh my god yeah, it's ah it's an absolute game changer people are so focused on how much mass is being moved versus how much acceleration is happening. And 1 of the most fundamental physics. Equations is force equals mass times acceleration and I think it's hilarious. This perverted obsession. We have with mass and this complete neglect of acceleration when in actuality. Um, people care way more.

51:25.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

51:41.50

Dr_ Placebo

About how fast they can move rather than how much stuff they can move and the people who have the best longevity are the ones who retain their ability to be able to move quickly and in fact, that's the athletic attribute that deteriorates more rapidly. Which is why ah sprinters you know tend to peak before age 30 but power lifters tend to peak often in their 40 s late 40 s fifty s so ah, way too much focus is spent on. The amount of mass that is being moved versus the amount of force that is being generated which includes the acceleration and a metronome improves your coordination. It proves your rhythm and it also is a way to very easily ah increase the force. By increasing the acceleration as opposed to just increasing the mass really powerful stuff. I mean there's a lot of other eye Exercises. You could do with it. But yeah for sake of simplicity ah eyes closed make Circles eyes open make circles throw a ball against the wall.

52:37.81

mikebledsoe

Yeah, love it.

52:54.80

Dr_ Placebo

And then try that near far drill and then use a timer so you're not stuck ah on any 1 ah console for too long. You know there's like the twenty Twenty rule every 20 minutes look twenty feet away for at least 20 seconds that's fine ah a little bit longer would be better though. You know so every 15 minutes or so look at something further away for a little while it'll make a big difference.

53:20.89

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so we call it is anything else. You want to leave him with feel like got some Yeah, everyone's got homework to do. Don't go back and put these things into practice.

53:31.80

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

53:37.52

Dr_ Placebo

Do do some drawing and doodling do doodling is better than dawdling is what I say so if you're if you're stuck like draw dry it out. You know, a lot of ah. 1 of the big advantages we have is being able to draw symbols and shapes and connect different ideas together. So if you're if you're not sure just start just start drawing shapes and ah connecting words and ideas with lines so you can see it all. Big picture and I think this is probably one of the things that I do best because sometimes I have difficulty staying engaged with details but I will often get out a piece of paper and just draw down some ideas but I'll connect them with ah shapes and lines and diagrams. And I'll try to make some math equations there too but getting your ideas. Ah not only down on paper in words but also connected together in shapes and symbols and lines is really powerful and so you will be able to improve your ability to visualize. And ah envision the future if you use some symbols on the paper. So ah I'll just I'll close with that. Thank you guys. You can see me Maxshank.com Mike Bleso you can find him on his new newsletter where you can get.

54:53.15

mikebledsoe

That hurt.

55:04.61

Dr_ Placebo

Hot Fresh ah wisdom delivered to your inbox and then also blue light blocking glasses I think you can learn the secret as well.

55:16.90

mikebledsoe

Yep yep, just go go go find on the newsletter. Maybe one day I'll yeah I mean if you actually there's if you Dm me I can get you on the newsletter. But right now I don't have anywhere.

55:19.50

Dr_ Placebo

Where can they find that strong coach. What where do I sign up for your newsletter dude right.

55:33.76

mikebledsoe

For anyone to sign up so I'm ah.

55:34.84

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, how convenient it's like it's like a secret club with no sign on La door.

55:43.42

mikebledsoe

I Got I've got a I got my email list that people that got in or get my messages. The people who want in are confused. It's okay I'm I'm rebuilding some things. Ah.

55:56.86

Dr_ Placebo

Ah I like it so send you a dm Mike Underscore blood so if you want to get in on it I like it.

56:00.74

mikebledsoe

Yeahp Yeah I'll I'll add you and yeah I like to keep it tight I Only want to be talking to people who really want to be talking to me. So yeah, yeah.

56:08.70

Dr_ Placebo

All right? nice. Keep it keep a clear vision until next time folks. Thanks Mikey! Love you buddy.

56:15.61

mikebledsoe

Love you lady y'all.

00:00.00

mikebledsoe

Oh last too bad. Yeah, it's great. It's great.

00:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

All on my end I Still don't see it look. Do you see that see the levels. There's nothing there. You think it's great that we can only hear you talking on the recording is that what you're telling me.

00:15.28

mikebledsoe

Now I can we can hear you just fine. We're working on Max's audio again. Um, how's your week ben.

00:17.27

Dr_ Placebo

If you say So oh.

00:28.30

Dr_ Placebo

My week's been good. How about you.

00:33.35

mikebledsoe

Ah, man, it's been ah, it's been a lot of lot of fun I'm I'm rereading a book right now dollars flow to me easily by Richard dots and highly recommend it to anyone who well. Wants easy transformation. So that's really the book has little to do with money has everything to do with ah creating an inner state that ah of goodness allowing that to emerge and then ah.

01:00.62

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:10.26

mikebledsoe

Allowing the universe to deliver all your intentions and desires to your doorstep. So if if money is what you need to reach your desires then you know I find that when I find that inner peace and goodness and just sit in that. Really cool things. Emerge.

01:33.25

Dr_ Placebo

Kind of reminds me with ah dog training that it's not about training the dog. It's about training the person a lot of the time and as far as creative work is concerned if you are in a.

01:42.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah for.

01:49.42

Dr_ Placebo

Ah heightened state of some kind whether that's a flow state or otherwise you're just going to do your best work right.

01:55.49

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you know what? I Also find that I've never figured anything out in Business. It's never been. You know there's definitely things to Learn. There's skills to learn. You know, managing finances and budgets and. Learning how to copyright and all these things are really useful skills and it doesn't mean you need you, You should avoid learning anything but it ah for me to sit with oh I'm going to sit and think my way to a solution when I'm having a problem is rarely.

02:26.51

Dr_ Placebo

What.

02:32.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, how it works out I can't even think of a time where I thought my way to a solution most of the solutions that have occurred to me has just been. You know you're in the shower or something or ah, you know I'm thinking about something I go to the fridge.

02:37.25

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

02:43.83

Dr_ Placebo

And.

02:49.87

Dr_ Placebo

Who.

02:50.15

mikebledsoe

So it's um, yeah, what I like about this book is it really puts me in that place of just observing what's good and then watching these things these ideas emerge and I definitely had that experience yesterday and um.

03:03.19

Dr_ Placebo

O.

03:09.23

mikebledsoe

Was being interviewed by John North um of weightlifting talk and he he and I had like similar rises of notoriety in the in the weightlifting Crossfit world and like at the same time and then also had you know.

03:24.60

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

03:27.79

mikebledsoe

Kind of disappeared into the ether around the same time I I ah regularly get hit up by people on Instagram or Twitter and they're like oh shit, you're still alive like yeah yeah, still hanging out still doing some stuff and we had he. He.

03:30.30

Dr_ Placebo

And.

03:37.52

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah. Um, funny wo who.

03:47.14

mikebledsoe

He asked me he goes he goes look. We can talk about all the good stuff we could talk about the good times. But why don't you tell us about the dark moments in your career in business I was like oh boy, Oh boy I can deliver that.

04:01.74

Dr_ Placebo

Um. O.

04:05.32

mikebledsoe

There's some dark moments. And yeah I don't know how long the show went on for it felt like 2 hours and it was you know I think it's the most emotional I've ever been on a podcast I don't think I've ever been interviewed and gotten that emotional.

04:09.82

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

04:14.54

Dr_ Placebo

Whoo.

04:19.92

Dr_ Placebo

Woo Whoa. Oh.

04:25.11

mikebledsoe

And um, yeah I really just I but basically I covered the year of 2017 for me and I didn't go through the whole year in detail but I went through the the thing a lot of the stuff that you know it's a good story. So I recommend anyone go listen to that. Um.

04:45.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, do weightlifting dot com and you click on the podcasts. Ah and it was.. It was so emotional and it brought up. You know? Ah, Ah, you know if I could label the emotions. It was just there were it was just ah, a constant flow so much. So like I don't think I felt my emotions that deeply for that period that extended period of time in a very long time and when I got off the show. My fiance she she went off to dinner with a friend of hers. So I go sit in the sauna afterwards and meditate and just Sawa and cold plunge and then came home and got in bed and it. It occurred to me I was like this story that this story of 2017 is there's so many lessons that I learned that I really a lot of times I share the lessons in a very straightforward way but not in. But I could be sharing it from a place of storytelling which as you know that's the best way to get a point across is if you can embed it in a story.

05:52.98

Dr_ Placebo

So.

06:00.80

Dr_ Placebo

We need an arc with no arc no one care. No one cares without an arc. It might be true. It might be correct, but no one cares and that's been ah that's been something that I have hardly capitalized on much.

06:03.72

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so no one cares.

06:17.43

Dr_ Placebo

Because I don't care about the story interestingly enough I just want the I want the bullet points I want them in the correct sequence and I want as little fluff as possible but that's just not how people work.

06:23.76

mikebledsoe

I yeah.

06:34.10

mikebledsoe

No yeah mean we live by narratives and archetypes and archetypes is even a narrative about a type of person and ah you know? And yeah, so in in the world of you know speakers you know.

06:35.16

Dr_ Placebo

The.

06:51.61

mikebledsoe

I know you know this is every great speaker has got their keynote story and speakers that have been around for a long time people who get on stage. They'll have 2 or 3 depending on the situation and I've had so many I've had like so many they. So.

06:55.80

Dr_ Placebo

A good.

07:10.83

mikebledsoe

Speaking Coaches Love targeting me as a client they're like okay you know you're you're good on Stage. You're good at telling stories all this but you haven't really honed in on a story that converts people into a product that you're selling or a service. Or whatever and I go Yeah, you know, ah all the greats. The people who can sell a lot. They do it through storytelling and I've tried different stories and nothing really nothing really stuck. Nothing was super powerful and.

07:48.58

mikebledsoe

I'm in bed last night and I'm I'm simply in the fields of my feelings and emergency goes. Oh that's that's the story. You should tell because these guys were on the edge of their seat at the end they were blown away they were it was it was obvious it was and I had never told the story in.

07:56.13

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

08:07.62

mikebledsoe

That much detail before on a podcast partly because lawsuits are a part of it and ah you know while lawsuits are going on. You can't go around telling stories about it. But it's ah.

08:19.40

Dr_ Placebo

Um I would check with someone who knows these things rather than your hunch.

08:23.37

mikebledsoe

I Think enough time has passed I think I'm okay.

08:31.30

mikebledsoe

Ah I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, the contract said something about 3 years and it's been more than three years. So I'm not too worried about it.

08:42.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's Interesting. You mentioned that because I find I know I'm in the minority but I find ah nothing ah less genuine and more fake when I see a speaker going through this big personal story. I'm like I I want to go like I know what you're trying to do. Can you stop it. You're annoying me like I came here to learn something and if you give me this long thing about your life I'm only going to leave. Basically so I I I know I'm in the minority. Um, with with that. But I mean.

09:02.81

mikebledsoe

Okay, yeah.

09:12.55

mikebledsoe

You are.

09:17.76

Dr_ Placebo

Really successful guys. Ah, really do like Tug the heartstrings they play they play a crowd like a fiddle and it's quite a cool skill. But if I'm in the crowd I I like start to hate that person almost and I hate that person that's too strong but it makes me.

09:30.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah there.

09:36.60

Dr_ Placebo

It makes me ah feel less connected to them because I know that they're not doing this to provide a service they're doing this to like puff up their character right? who.

09:48.20

mikebledsoe

Right? right? Yeah I mean um I think you and I are like in that way and that might be why we avoid you know, telling that story and um.

09:54.98

Dr_ Placebo

It depends on what message you're trying to convey to right? like it's possible to tell a good story without making it about yourself right? You can talk about like.

10:08.66

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

10:12.65

Dr_ Placebo

Costs and benefits and consequences and archetypes without telling a 20 minute personal story during a 30 minute lecture

10:21.35

mikebledsoe

Well one of the most popular one of the most popular books on leadership a couple years ago was extreme ownership and I don't know if you read that is by Jocko willing and the entire the there's like ah a paragraph that gives the lesson embedded in.

10:28.43

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I did.

10:37.93

Dr_ Placebo

These war stories. It's worst. It's war stories and I was like what what? yeah.

10:39.20

mikebledsoe

this this story it's all war stories war stories with like ah like you could you could have gotten the point in like 2 pages the entire book. But it's buried in all these war stories and everyone loved it and I was like I like I was it was okay.

10:54.25

Dr_ Placebo

I Find that? yeah well, what's funny is um, like I I don't like the book I think he is a really interesting character and it's the perfect example. Of who you want to lead a team of killers like but but is that who I want to emulate in my personal life as a leader and it's like I don't think so you know there are qualities that you can pick and choose and that's why it's so tricky to.

11:13.20

mikebledsoe

Yes.

11:21.66

mikebledsoe

Right.

11:30.89

Dr_ Placebo

Pick someone to emulate consciously or subconsciously because you're only ah seeing a window into their life and you may not want their life. Um, right.

11:40.31

mikebledsoe

Well in addition to that I mean you referred to dwayne the Rock Johnson in that regard before I think even on the last show but the the and I agree with the Jocko thing there was there were.

11:50.95

Dr_ Placebo

That's my go to.

11:56.52

mikebledsoe

There were certain things about that book and his attitude that just don't don't jive with me either and it's always been funny because people people are like oh my God It was so good I'm like well what parts are like all of it I'm like ah maybe not all of it. But some of it was Good. Um. And it because we do. We do need to be careful about who we model and.

12:21.57

Dr_ Placebo

We're supposed to think that the books are good sometimes sometimes you're just supposed to think a book is good like my ah my friend was really kind. She got me a Tony Robbins book ah his newest who is his newest one life force.

12:33.64

mikebledsoe

I who.

12:37.66

Dr_ Placebo

Um, and before you think this is a plug This is the opposite of a plug. Whatever I'm about to do right now I was like I was it was fucking unreadable. It was so embarrassing like it was a giant infomercial of widgets that he's invested into.

12:41.84

mikebledsoe

Ah me. But.

12:49.41

mikebledsoe

A.

12:57.47

Dr_ Placebo

Very unclear, very superficial, hardly practical, really like off the-wall shit that applies to nobody I Fucking hated it and of course I told my friend this too I told my friend this I was like that's one of the worst books about health that I think I've ever Read. It was hard to Read. It wasn't Useful. It wasn't simple. It wasn't clear but I really appreciate the gift. You know what? I mean like don't like hey I I Really appreciate that someone would buy a book for me I Think that's really nice but I don't have to like it just because.

13:25.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, good effort.

13:36.43

Dr_ Placebo

Um, you're supposed to like it and I think that happens quite a lot and.

13:39.62

mikebledsoe

Well, you're gonna be my editor for my book. So it's gonna it's gonna have to pass the the max shank Sniff test.

13:47.69

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh dude, ah call me the copy doced. Yeah copy doctor a doctor the copy up I'm I'm great I'm great at that sort of thing.

13:50.91

mikebledsoe

The what the copy Doc Oh okay, all right, all right? Perfect Oh perfect, all right look at that look at that folks. We finally agreed to do something outside of the podcast. So.

14:04.44

Dr_ Placebo

Oh perfect.

14:10.16

mikebledsoe

Ah, well you brought up something interesting and because ah we are we learn through modeling but we also have anti-models and there are people that we don't want to be like and we got to be ah, equally careful of that. So. There's a number Tony Robbins would fall in this category right? Maybe maybe for you I'm the same way I've never.

14:34.73

Dr_ Placebo

I Think he does some great stuff by the way I think there are people that he legitimately helps so much and I think that's fantastic and I think that book was awful.

14:42.98

mikebledsoe

I agree. Yeah well I think his style overall is just not for me I don't think you're going to find max and I and a crowd of 10000 people you know psyching ourselves up. It's just not kind of not going to happen and we don't need that we're we're past that.

14:53.93

Dr_ Placebo

Woo Totally right? Hey people like different things.

15:01.96

mikebledsoe

And people like different things but we're not going to model Tony Robbins you're you're not going to find max or I on stage. You know, screaming at people and getting them pumped up with music and jumping around and it's just not going to happen. And we should. We should just do it just to just a fuck with people like.

15:20.32

Dr_ Placebo

Cut to a year we're both on stage with headsets on. Are you guys ready to do fire breathing and then ah.

15:32.28

Dr_ Placebo

I would do I would do a fake one I would I would do a fake one and just ah play a character I think that would be hilarious.

15:37.80

mikebledsoe

Too bad We don't live in the same town Anymore. We can make a bunch of Spoofs about personal development programs. But ah, we got to be equally Careful. So ah, you know I don't think I shared this with you privately. But I didn't share this On. Podcast and I'll I'll share it I won't mention who this person is but I was hanging out with this person and they refused to wear a seatbelt why because they were because there's a law that says they're supposed to so they just don't want to do it and then the same person.

16:13.64

Dr_ Placebo

Rebel without a cause sure.

16:15.25

mikebledsoe

Ribble without a cause and the same person opens up their mail at the house opens it up. There's a picture of a license plate and saying you were speeding in the zone or whatever he rips it in half throws in the garbage can he's a god that's the thirteenth one this year and. Ah, and you know I I don't disagree I would handle that differently. But there's a lot of like really easy easy legal ways of getting out of traffic tickets that involve automatic cameras. They pretty much have. You pretty you challenge it at all and they have to drop it because nobody caught you in the act. So ah, the the point is is a lot of times people who who are the rebel without a cause they just rebelling so they they may find some. We could say some people just rebellious in nature like I'm I'm very rebellious you're rebellious I can tell you that you you don't match the status quo heartily at all and yeah, and.

17:18.57

Dr_ Placebo

But only because they're really Ill like if they were healthy I would like I I don't even really want to be a rebel I Just want to get a good result. But.

17:26.76

mikebledsoe

But to be. Yeah, you're selective right? And so I remember you know I'm in the car with the person and they're not wearing their seatbelt I'm like why you know why didn you put on the seatbelt like yeah, that and I go Well, you know it's it's you're following in the same trap of lack of critical thinking.

17:48.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

17:49.85

mikebledsoe

You don't want to be like this person so you don't do anything like that person does it like ah Tony Robbins like you were saying there are some aspects of his life that should definitely be emulated. But if you go look I don't like Tony Robbins I'm not can do anything and this is a lot of people and people general.

18:00.13

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

18:07.15

Dr_ Placebo

So it's the devil.

18:07.59

mikebledsoe

A lot of times generalize this to say wealthy people. Oh I don't wanna be like I don't want to be like that greedy rich guy. So I'm not gonna have any money I'm like you know you can have money without being greedy right? like there's and there's collapsed distinctions in there but you gotta be careful about.

18:20.98

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Yep I know Yep, it's the same ah like God and the devil ad hommonym appeal to authority thing.

18:27.37

mikebledsoe

Who you're modeling and then who you're anti-modeling.

18:36.32

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, um.

18:36.94

Dr_ Placebo

Over and over like if you dislike somebody personally and that causes you to ignore the lesson they have that would help you then you're an idiot you're you're overly emotional and you're conflating this personality that you don't like. Thinking that they are wrong and that's just simply not the case right? You have to be able to dislike somebody and still be able to use your logic to determine whether they're right about something or not and I've had plenty of opportunity to do this because ah, especially. In ah like the copywriting world right? like there's there's a supreme emphasis on exaggerating the truth and maybe even being like a bit of an egomaniac and so those are traits that I really dislike personally and there are even people.

19:18.11

mikebledsoe

Um.

19:33.63

Dr_ Placebo

That I dislike personally but I still want to take the um the idea separate from the individual. It's like ah is Bill Cosby still funny yes absolutely fucking. Hilarious 1 of the best comedians of all time and whether you think he is ah guilty of certain crimes or not should be irrelevant to the comedy. Um, and this is not a popular take by the way I'm not going to win any friends with this. Idea. Ah okay I think people like ah Bill Cosby less than hitler somehow even though it's entirely possible that the guy was completely set up which is crazy to think about you know, speaking of all that I think it's so funny.

20:08.60

mikebledsoe

Um, I'm going to follow it up with a hitler one. So we'll just lose everybody.

20:21.27

mikebledsoe

Yeah Trump.

20:27.20

Dr_ Placebo

That we we collectively kind of watch the news and we see something or we hear something we're like whoa how did that happen and then we watch a movie and we go whoa. That's amazing. So realistic and we never think that some of those movie people would. Like create some news like if you're directing a movie. You're organizing thousands of people, computer programmers actors extras camera people and it's like you think these ah geniuses of illusion. Never fabricate some sort of reality of.

20:48.91

mikebledsoe

No, ah.

21:05.31

Dr_ Placebo

Of course they do is. It's very. It's very interesting. How quick we are to throw people under the bus just because ah he said she said kind of thing.

21:13.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, that's absolutely right? Yeah, the the I would say the movie. What's happening in movie theaterore and what's happening in the news is is very much alike I think there's tons of crossover there I mean it what this is.

21:28.87

Dr_ Placebo

Of course, there's incentive to do So What do we? What do we know? if there is an incentive and opportunity it happens like there's enough people that if there's incentive and opportunity. It's happening. You don't have to like it. But that's what's happening.

21:36.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

21:44.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's I'm gonna go into like conspiracy theory land a bit but that but there's there's actual evidence of cia being involved in hollywood in the early stages of of Hollywood coming around. Um.

21:46.43

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

21:58.48

Dr_ Placebo

If if they weren't They'd be stupid to be the central stupid agency if they weren't using the fucking movies and like I mean are you kidding me like this whole.

22:00.92

mikebledsoe

They yeah.

22:08.93

mikebledsoe

Ah.

22:12.14

Dr_ Placebo

Even the word conspiracy is used as an ad hominem attack when the word conspiracy just means that people meet up in secret everybody people meet up in secret all the fucking time That's like almost all that happens.

22:19.88

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and um, and people have theories about them about these meetings now it and ah even before the cia I mean that's how they drummed up.

22:27.71

Dr_ Placebo

No deck.

22:35.18

mikebledsoe

Ah, interest or support for the war effort in World War two is they would they would show these they would they would show these hype videos like sizzle reels basically of why you should support the War effort World War Two and.

22:38.52

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

22:51.86

mikebledsoe

It worked it hyped everybody up and they use movie theaters for that early on so when you look at what how that was used then and then you look at ah who if you watch the news like so Cbs is probably the worst Cbs Nbc you watching these major news networks. Almost every evening you're going to see them interviewing somebody from the cia or somebody who used to work for the cia or the Fbi or something like that these intelligence agencies have totally got these ah news agencies by the balls.

23:19.54

Dr_ Placebo

A.

23:30.74

mikebledsoe

Like they they basically get to weave whatever narrative and they desire and people just buy it hook line and sinker and so I bring this up because yeah, the differences between Hollywood and what's happening in the news same thing same people. Ah.

23:34.41

Dr_ Placebo

Well. O.

23:47.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, no doubt like there's too much incentive and opportunity for that to not be going on I would say it would be foolish to not do that if one of the main goals is to control the domestic population and then.

23:50.16

mikebledsoe

Same narratives.

23:56.61

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

24:07.36

Dr_ Placebo

Maybe like a secondary goal is ah to defend against foreign invaders because one of them is way more likely to cause a problem actually historically speaking I mean yeah.

24:15.85

mikebledsoe

1 the and the United States that's absolutely true because get waging war on the us is difficult. There's you know two oceans between every yeah, geographically we're positioned really well. There's there's a lot of reasons.

24:25.97

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, there's a lot of reasons lot of reasons. Yeah, you got to watch out for Knida I hear their military has grown to 2000 people I don't know why I'm talking I don't know why I'm talking on Canada.

24:34.42

mikebledsoe

Um.

24:38.76

mikebledsoe

Sorry Canadian listeners to get fired up.

24:45.18

Dr_ Placebo

Like Well what's the point there's it's like ah it's like picking on the small kid that's like hardly fair. Yeah, it's kind of funny I Guess yeah.

24:51.51

mikebledsoe

Is got. It's like ah south part in South Bark and the was it Terrence and Philip did you ever watch south part.

25:02.14

Dr_ Placebo

I watched ah tons of South Park I actually even caught their ah concert they did to celebrate their ah 25 year ah anniversary um, is on. It's on Youtube they showed the whole thing. It was incredible.

25:08.11

mikebledsoe

Did you? Oh I thought you caught it live.

25:16.96

Dr_ Placebo

Oh no, no I didn't go live but I did watch it at home. It was fantastic Man it was crazy I mean they got like ah the remaining members from rush to come play. You know they had they had like these serious rock stars like come out of retirement.

25:26.18

mikebledsoe

Oh man.

25:34.67

Dr_ Placebo

Just so they could play with the guys who made south park and I mean it just shows that what they've created ah goes across all these different genres of art and culture and I think those guys are absolute creative monsters. They played a ton of so it was just those guys are crazy talented crazy motivated. It was a hell of a cool thing to see ah six days to air. Great documentary. Terrific. That's how they stay so current. Meanwhile you know Simpsons. Ah.

25:59.88

mikebledsoe

Well they they put the shows together in six days yeah Yeah

26:14.16

Dr_ Placebo

Which also ah used to be a great show. Um, they're like six months out basically of what's going on so South Park is always crazy current on what's going on because they ah condense that creative work so much.

26:31.13

mikebledsoe

Yeah, my my my favorite south part ever to this date I think I laughed harder on any other one was the ah when they covered the recession 2007 2008 and and when they chopped it.

26:42.57

Dr_ Placebo

Oh that was good. So so funny.

26:46.97

mikebledsoe

Head off the chicken and let it run around to figure out which who's gonna get bailed out next shit shit sent me over the fucking Moon I was I lost it ugly these people are complete geniuses is this so good.

27:01.42

Dr_ Placebo

He's like trying to return a margarita v he's like well what we did is we took your Margaritaville loan and we bundled it together with a bunch of other Margaritaville loans and we traded it on the open market and then we have people betting. On the viability of the payback of those marker. It's like a fucking margarita maker but they're just going through the whole thing. Ah but through the lens of like an overpriced beverage machine is so funny. Those guys are absolute studs anyway, yeah so.

27:26.21