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The Bledsoe Show

The show formerly known as "Bledsopia" On this podcast, you’ll learn from thought leaders who are dedicating their lives to being a positive force for your physical, psycho-emotional and spiritual health. Your host, Mike Bledsoe, seeker of truth & perpetual student, spotlights premier thought leaders in the fields of emotional & intellectual expansion, behavior change, sexuality & alternative medicine that empower you with the tools and inspiration to transform your mind, body, & spirit. Every week, this is your opportunity to get downloads from exceptional people that will guide you to the connections between your own source, to live your best life & enjoy the process.
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Sep 12, 2022

00:00.00

mikebledsoe

Oh last too bad. Yeah, it's great. It's great.

00:00.00

Dr_ Placebo

All on my end I Still don't see it look. Do you see that see the levels. There's nothing there. You think it's great that we can only hear you talking on the recording is that what you're telling me.

00:15.28

mikebledsoe

Now I can we can hear you just fine. We're working on Max's audio again. Um, how's your week ben.

00:17.27

Dr_ Placebo

If you say So oh.

00:28.30

Dr_ Placebo

My week's been good. How about you.

00:33.35

mikebledsoe

Ah, man, it's been ah, it's been a lot of lot of fun I'm I'm rereading a book right now dollars flow to me easily by Richard dots and highly recommend it to anyone who well. Wants easy transformation. So that's really the book has little to do with money has everything to do with ah creating an inner state that ah of goodness allowing that to emerge and then ah.

01:00.62

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:10.26

mikebledsoe

Allowing the universe to deliver all your intentions and desires to your doorstep. So if if money is what you need to reach your desires then you know I find that when I find that inner peace and goodness and just sit in that. Really cool things. Emerge.

01:33.25

Dr_ Placebo

Kind of reminds me with ah dog training that it's not about training the dog. It's about training the person a lot of the time and as far as creative work is concerned if you are in a.

01:42.60

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah for.

01:49.42

Dr_ Placebo

Ah heightened state of some kind whether that's a flow state or otherwise you're just going to do your best work right.

01:55.49

mikebledsoe

Yeah, you know what? I Also find that I've never figured anything out in Business. It's never been. You know there's definitely things to Learn. There's skills to learn. You know, managing finances and budgets and. Learning how to copyright and all these things are really useful skills and it doesn't mean you need you, You should avoid learning anything but it ah for me to sit with oh I'm going to sit and think my way to a solution when I'm having a problem is rarely.

02:26.51

Dr_ Placebo

What.

02:32.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, how it works out I can't even think of a time where I thought my way to a solution most of the solutions that have occurred to me has just been. You know you're in the shower or something or ah, you know I'm thinking about something I go to the fridge.

02:37.25

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

02:43.83

Dr_ Placebo

And.

02:49.87

Dr_ Placebo

Who.

02:50.15

mikebledsoe

So it's um, yeah, what I like about this book is it really puts me in that place of just observing what's good and then watching these things these ideas emerge and I definitely had that experience yesterday and um.

03:03.19

Dr_ Placebo

O.

03:09.23

mikebledsoe

Was being interviewed by John North um of weightlifting talk and he he and I had like similar rises of notoriety in the in the weightlifting Crossfit world and like at the same time and then also had you know.

03:24.60

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

03:27.79

mikebledsoe

Kind of disappeared into the ether around the same time I I ah regularly get hit up by people on Instagram or Twitter and they're like oh shit, you're still alive like yeah yeah, still hanging out still doing some stuff and we had he. He.

03:30.30

Dr_ Placebo

And.

03:37.52

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah. Um, funny wo who.

03:47.14

mikebledsoe

He asked me he goes he goes look. We can talk about all the good stuff we could talk about the good times. But why don't you tell us about the dark moments in your career in business I was like oh boy, Oh boy I can deliver that.

04:01.74

Dr_ Placebo

Um. O.

04:05.32

mikebledsoe

There's some dark moments. And yeah I don't know how long the show went on for it felt like 2 hours and it was you know I think it's the most emotional I've ever been on a podcast I don't think I've ever been interviewed and gotten that emotional.

04:09.82

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

04:14.54

Dr_ Placebo

Whoo.

04:19.92

Dr_ Placebo

Woo Whoa. Oh.

04:25.11

mikebledsoe

And um, yeah I really just I but basically I covered the year of 2017 for me and I didn't go through the whole year in detail but I went through the the thing a lot of the stuff that you know it's a good story. So I recommend anyone go listen to that. Um.

04:45.43

mikebledsoe

Ah, do weightlifting dot com and you click on the podcasts. Ah and it was.. It was so emotional and it brought up. You know? Ah, Ah, you know if I could label the emotions. It was just there were it was just ah, a constant flow so much. So like I don't think I felt my emotions that deeply for that period that extended period of time in a very long time and when I got off the show. My fiance she she went off to dinner with a friend of hers. So I go sit in the sauna afterwards and meditate and just Sawa and cold plunge and then came home and got in bed and it. It occurred to me I was like this story that this story of 2017 is there's so many lessons that I learned that I really a lot of times I share the lessons in a very straightforward way but not in. But I could be sharing it from a place of storytelling which as you know that's the best way to get a point across is if you can embed it in a story.

05:52.98

Dr_ Placebo

So.

06:00.80

Dr_ Placebo

We need an arc with no arc no one care. No one cares without an arc. It might be true. It might be correct, but no one cares and that's been ah that's been something that I have hardly capitalized on much.

06:03.72

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so no one cares.

06:17.43

Dr_ Placebo

Because I don't care about the story interestingly enough I just want the I want the bullet points I want them in the correct sequence and I want as little fluff as possible but that's just not how people work.

06:23.76

mikebledsoe

I yeah.

06:34.10

mikebledsoe

No yeah mean we live by narratives and archetypes and archetypes is even a narrative about a type of person and ah you know? And yeah, so in in the world of you know speakers you know.

06:35.16

Dr_ Placebo

The.

06:51.61

mikebledsoe

I know you know this is every great speaker has got their keynote story and speakers that have been around for a long time people who get on stage. They'll have 2 or 3 depending on the situation and I've had so many I've had like so many they. So.

06:55.80

Dr_ Placebo

A good.

07:10.83

mikebledsoe

Speaking Coaches Love targeting me as a client they're like okay you know you're you're good on Stage. You're good at telling stories all this but you haven't really honed in on a story that converts people into a product that you're selling or a service. Or whatever and I go Yeah, you know, ah all the greats. The people who can sell a lot. They do it through storytelling and I've tried different stories and nothing really nothing really stuck. Nothing was super powerful and.

07:48.58

mikebledsoe

I'm in bed last night and I'm I'm simply in the fields of my feelings and emergency goes. Oh that's that's the story. You should tell because these guys were on the edge of their seat at the end they were blown away they were it was it was obvious it was and I had never told the story in.

07:56.13

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

08:07.62

mikebledsoe

That much detail before on a podcast partly because lawsuits are a part of it and ah you know while lawsuits are going on. You can't go around telling stories about it. But it's ah.

08:19.40

Dr_ Placebo

Um I would check with someone who knows these things rather than your hunch.

08:23.37

mikebledsoe

I Think enough time has passed I think I'm okay.

08:31.30

mikebledsoe

Ah I'm pretty sure. Um, yeah, the contract said something about 3 years and it's been more than three years. So I'm not too worried about it.

08:42.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, it's Interesting. You mentioned that because I find I know I'm in the minority but I find ah nothing ah less genuine and more fake when I see a speaker going through this big personal story. I'm like I I want to go like I know what you're trying to do. Can you stop it. You're annoying me like I came here to learn something and if you give me this long thing about your life I'm only going to leave. Basically so I I I know I'm in the minority. Um, with with that. But I mean.

09:02.81

mikebledsoe

Okay, yeah.

09:12.55

mikebledsoe

You are.

09:17.76

Dr_ Placebo

Really successful guys. Ah, really do like Tug the heartstrings they play they play a crowd like a fiddle and it's quite a cool skill. But if I'm in the crowd I I like start to hate that person almost and I hate that person that's too strong but it makes me.

09:30.94

mikebledsoe

Yeah there.

09:36.60

Dr_ Placebo

It makes me ah feel less connected to them because I know that they're not doing this to provide a service they're doing this to like puff up their character right? who.

09:48.20

mikebledsoe

Right? right? Yeah I mean um I think you and I are like in that way and that might be why we avoid you know, telling that story and um.

09:54.98

Dr_ Placebo

It depends on what message you're trying to convey to right? like it's possible to tell a good story without making it about yourself right? You can talk about like.

10:08.66

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah.

10:12.65

Dr_ Placebo

Costs and benefits and consequences and archetypes without telling a 20 minute personal story during a 30 minute lecture

10:21.35

mikebledsoe

Well one of the most popular one of the most popular books on leadership a couple years ago was extreme ownership and I don't know if you read that is by Jocko willing and the entire the there's like ah a paragraph that gives the lesson embedded in.

10:28.43

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I did.

10:37.93

Dr_ Placebo

These war stories. It's worst. It's war stories and I was like what what? yeah.

10:39.20

mikebledsoe

this this story it's all war stories war stories with like ah like you could you could have gotten the point in like 2 pages the entire book. But it's buried in all these war stories and everyone loved it and I was like I like I was it was okay.

10:54.25

Dr_ Placebo

I Find that? yeah well, what's funny is um, like I I don't like the book I think he is a really interesting character and it's the perfect example. Of who you want to lead a team of killers like but but is that who I want to emulate in my personal life as a leader and it's like I don't think so you know there are qualities that you can pick and choose and that's why it's so tricky to.

11:13.20

mikebledsoe

Yes.

11:21.66

mikebledsoe

Right.

11:30.89

Dr_ Placebo

Pick someone to emulate consciously or subconsciously because you're only ah seeing a window into their life and you may not want their life. Um, right.

11:40.31

mikebledsoe

Well in addition to that I mean you referred to dwayne the Rock Johnson in that regard before I think even on the last show but the the and I agree with the Jocko thing there was there were.

11:50.95

Dr_ Placebo

That's my go to.

11:56.52

mikebledsoe

There were certain things about that book and his attitude that just don't don't jive with me either and it's always been funny because people people are like oh my God It was so good I'm like well what parts are like all of it I'm like ah maybe not all of it. But some of it was Good. Um. And it because we do. We do need to be careful about who we model and.

12:21.57

Dr_ Placebo

We're supposed to think that the books are good sometimes sometimes you're just supposed to think a book is good like my ah my friend was really kind. She got me a Tony Robbins book ah his newest who is his newest one life force.

12:33.64

mikebledsoe

I who.

12:37.66

Dr_ Placebo

Um, and before you think this is a plug This is the opposite of a plug. Whatever I'm about to do right now I was like I was it was fucking unreadable. It was so embarrassing like it was a giant infomercial of widgets that he's invested into.

12:41.84

mikebledsoe

Ah me. But.

12:49.41

mikebledsoe

A.

12:57.47

Dr_ Placebo

Very unclear, very superficial, hardly practical, really like off the-wall shit that applies to nobody I Fucking hated it and of course I told my friend this too I told my friend this I was like that's one of the worst books about health that I think I've ever Read. It was hard to Read. It wasn't Useful. It wasn't simple. It wasn't clear but I really appreciate the gift. You know what? I mean like don't like hey I I Really appreciate that someone would buy a book for me I Think that's really nice but I don't have to like it just because.

13:25.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, good effort.

13:36.43

Dr_ Placebo

Um, you're supposed to like it and I think that happens quite a lot and.

13:39.62

mikebledsoe

Well, you're gonna be my editor for my book. So it's gonna it's gonna have to pass the the max shank Sniff test.

13:47.69

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, oh dude, ah call me the copy doced. Yeah copy doctor a doctor the copy up I'm I'm great I'm great at that sort of thing.

13:50.91

mikebledsoe

The what the copy Doc Oh okay, all right, all right? Perfect Oh perfect, all right look at that look at that folks. We finally agreed to do something outside of the podcast. So.

14:04.44

Dr_ Placebo

Oh perfect.

14:10.16

mikebledsoe

Ah, well you brought up something interesting and because ah we are we learn through modeling but we also have anti-models and there are people that we don't want to be like and we got to be ah, equally careful of that. So. There's a number Tony Robbins would fall in this category right? Maybe maybe for you I'm the same way I've never.

14:34.73

Dr_ Placebo

I Think he does some great stuff by the way I think there are people that he legitimately helps so much and I think that's fantastic and I think that book was awful.

14:42.98

mikebledsoe

I agree. Yeah well I think his style overall is just not for me I don't think you're going to find max and I and a crowd of 10000 people you know psyching ourselves up. It's just not kind of not going to happen and we don't need that we're we're past that.

14:53.93

Dr_ Placebo

Woo Totally right? Hey people like different things.

15:01.96

mikebledsoe

And people like different things but we're not going to model Tony Robbins you're you're not going to find max or I on stage. You know, screaming at people and getting them pumped up with music and jumping around and it's just not going to happen. And we should. We should just do it just to just a fuck with people like.

15:20.32

Dr_ Placebo

Cut to a year we're both on stage with headsets on. Are you guys ready to do fire breathing and then ah.

15:32.28

Dr_ Placebo

I would do I would do a fake one I would I would do a fake one and just ah play a character I think that would be hilarious.

15:37.80

mikebledsoe

Too bad We don't live in the same town Anymore. We can make a bunch of Spoofs about personal development programs. But ah, we got to be equally Careful. So ah, you know I don't think I shared this with you privately. But I didn't share this On. Podcast and I'll I'll share it I won't mention who this person is but I was hanging out with this person and they refused to wear a seatbelt why because they were because there's a law that says they're supposed to so they just don't want to do it and then the same person.

16:13.64

Dr_ Placebo

Rebel without a cause sure.

16:15.25

mikebledsoe

Ribble without a cause and the same person opens up their mail at the house opens it up. There's a picture of a license plate and saying you were speeding in the zone or whatever he rips it in half throws in the garbage can he's a god that's the thirteenth one this year and. Ah, and you know I I don't disagree I would handle that differently. But there's a lot of like really easy easy legal ways of getting out of traffic tickets that involve automatic cameras. They pretty much have. You pretty you challenge it at all and they have to drop it because nobody caught you in the act. So ah, the the point is is a lot of times people who who are the rebel without a cause they just rebelling so they they may find some. We could say some people just rebellious in nature like I'm I'm very rebellious you're rebellious I can tell you that you you don't match the status quo heartily at all and yeah, and.

17:18.57

Dr_ Placebo

But only because they're really Ill like if they were healthy I would like I I don't even really want to be a rebel I Just want to get a good result. But.

17:26.76

mikebledsoe

But to be. Yeah, you're selective right? And so I remember you know I'm in the car with the person and they're not wearing their seatbelt I'm like why you know why didn you put on the seatbelt like yeah, that and I go Well, you know it's it's you're following in the same trap of lack of critical thinking.

17:48.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

17:49.85

mikebledsoe

You don't want to be like this person so you don't do anything like that person does it like ah Tony Robbins like you were saying there are some aspects of his life that should definitely be emulated. But if you go look I don't like Tony Robbins I'm not can do anything and this is a lot of people and people general.

18:00.13

Dr_ Placebo

Yep.

18:07.15

Dr_ Placebo

So it's the devil.

18:07.59

mikebledsoe

A lot of times generalize this to say wealthy people. Oh I don't wanna be like I don't want to be like that greedy rich guy. So I'm not gonna have any money I'm like you know you can have money without being greedy right? like there's and there's collapsed distinctions in there but you gotta be careful about.

18:20.98

Dr_ Placebo

Right? Yep I know Yep, it's the same ah like God and the devil ad hommonym appeal to authority thing.

18:27.37

mikebledsoe

Who you're modeling and then who you're anti-modeling.

18:36.32

mikebledsoe

Um, yeah, um.

18:36.94

Dr_ Placebo

Over and over like if you dislike somebody personally and that causes you to ignore the lesson they have that would help you then you're an idiot you're you're overly emotional and you're conflating this personality that you don't like. Thinking that they are wrong and that's just simply not the case right? You have to be able to dislike somebody and still be able to use your logic to determine whether they're right about something or not and I've had plenty of opportunity to do this because ah, especially. In ah like the copywriting world right? like there's there's a supreme emphasis on exaggerating the truth and maybe even being like a bit of an egomaniac and so those are traits that I really dislike personally and there are even people.

19:18.11

mikebledsoe

Um.

19:33.63

Dr_ Placebo

That I dislike personally but I still want to take the um the idea separate from the individual. It's like ah is Bill Cosby still funny yes absolutely fucking. Hilarious 1 of the best comedians of all time and whether you think he is ah guilty of certain crimes or not should be irrelevant to the comedy. Um, and this is not a popular take by the way I'm not going to win any friends with this. Idea. Ah okay I think people like ah Bill Cosby less than hitler somehow even though it's entirely possible that the guy was completely set up which is crazy to think about you know, speaking of all that I think it's so funny.

20:08.60

mikebledsoe

Um, I'm going to follow it up with a hitler one. So we'll just lose everybody.

20:21.27

mikebledsoe

Yeah Trump.

20:27.20

Dr_ Placebo

That we we collectively kind of watch the news and we see something or we hear something we're like whoa how did that happen and then we watch a movie and we go whoa. That's amazing. So realistic and we never think that some of those movie people would. Like create some news like if you're directing a movie. You're organizing thousands of people, computer programmers actors extras camera people and it's like you think these ah geniuses of illusion. Never fabricate some sort of reality of.

20:48.91

mikebledsoe

No, ah.

21:05.31

Dr_ Placebo

Of course they do is. It's very. It's very interesting. How quick we are to throw people under the bus just because ah he said she said kind of thing.

21:13.40

mikebledsoe

Yeah, that's absolutely right? Yeah, the the I would say the movie. What's happening in movie theaterore and what's happening in the news is is very much alike I think there's tons of crossover there I mean it what this is.

21:28.87

Dr_ Placebo

Of course, there's incentive to do So What do we? What do we know? if there is an incentive and opportunity it happens like there's enough people that if there's incentive and opportunity. It's happening. You don't have to like it. But that's what's happening.

21:36.50

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

21:44.67

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's I'm gonna go into like conspiracy theory land a bit but that but there's there's actual evidence of cia being involved in hollywood in the early stages of of Hollywood coming around. Um.

21:46.43

Dr_ Placebo

Are.

21:58.48

Dr_ Placebo

If if they weren't They'd be stupid to be the central stupid agency if they weren't using the fucking movies and like I mean are you kidding me like this whole.

22:00.92

mikebledsoe

They yeah.

22:08.93

mikebledsoe

Ah.

22:12.14

Dr_ Placebo

Even the word conspiracy is used as an ad hominem attack when the word conspiracy just means that people meet up in secret everybody people meet up in secret all the fucking time That's like almost all that happens.

22:19.88

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and um, and people have theories about them about these meetings now it and ah even before the cia I mean that's how they drummed up.

22:27.71

Dr_ Placebo

No deck.

22:35.18

mikebledsoe

Ah, interest or support for the war effort in World War two is they would they would show these they would they would show these hype videos like sizzle reels basically of why you should support the War effort World War Two and.

22:38.52

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

22:51.86

mikebledsoe

It worked it hyped everybody up and they use movie theaters for that early on so when you look at what how that was used then and then you look at ah who if you watch the news like so Cbs is probably the worst Cbs Nbc you watching these major news networks. Almost every evening you're going to see them interviewing somebody from the cia or somebody who used to work for the cia or the Fbi or something like that these intelligence agencies have totally got these ah news agencies by the balls.

23:19.54

Dr_ Placebo

A.

23:30.74

mikebledsoe

Like they they basically get to weave whatever narrative and they desire and people just buy it hook line and sinker and so I bring this up because yeah, the differences between Hollywood and what's happening in the news same thing same people. Ah.

23:34.41

Dr_ Placebo

Well. O.

23:47.63

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, no doubt like there's too much incentive and opportunity for that to not be going on I would say it would be foolish to not do that if one of the main goals is to control the domestic population and then.

23:50.16

mikebledsoe

Same narratives.

23:56.61

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

24:07.36

Dr_ Placebo

Maybe like a secondary goal is ah to defend against foreign invaders because one of them is way more likely to cause a problem actually historically speaking I mean yeah.

24:15.85

mikebledsoe

1 the and the United States that's absolutely true because get waging war on the us is difficult. There's you know two oceans between every yeah, geographically we're positioned really well. There's there's a lot of reasons.

24:25.97

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, there's a lot of reasons lot of reasons. Yeah, you got to watch out for Knida I hear their military has grown to 2000 people I don't know why I'm talking I don't know why I'm talking on Canada.

24:34.42

mikebledsoe

Um.

24:38.76

mikebledsoe

Sorry Canadian listeners to get fired up.

24:45.18

Dr_ Placebo

Like Well what's the point there's it's like ah it's like picking on the small kid that's like hardly fair. Yeah, it's kind of funny I Guess yeah.

24:51.51

mikebledsoe

Is got. It's like ah south part in South Bark and the was it Terrence and Philip did you ever watch south part.

25:02.14

Dr_ Placebo

I watched ah tons of South Park I actually even caught their ah concert they did to celebrate their ah 25 year ah anniversary um, is on. It's on Youtube they showed the whole thing. It was incredible.

25:08.11

mikebledsoe

Did you? Oh I thought you caught it live.

25:16.96

Dr_ Placebo

Oh no, no I didn't go live but I did watch it at home. It was fantastic Man it was crazy I mean they got like ah the remaining members from rush to come play. You know they had they had like these serious rock stars like come out of retirement.

25:26.18

mikebledsoe

Oh man.

25:34.67

Dr_ Placebo

Just so they could play with the guys who made south park and I mean it just shows that what they've created ah goes across all these different genres of art and culture and I think those guys are absolute creative monsters. They played a ton of so it was just those guys are crazy talented crazy motivated. It was a hell of a cool thing to see ah six days to air. Great documentary. Terrific. That's how they stay so current. Meanwhile you know Simpsons. Ah.

25:59.88

mikebledsoe

Well they they put the shows together in six days yeah Yeah

26:14.16

Dr_ Placebo

Which also ah used to be a great show. Um, they're like six months out basically of what's going on so South Park is always crazy current on what's going on because they ah condense that creative work so much.

26:31.13

mikebledsoe

Yeah, my my my favorite south part ever to this date I think I laughed harder on any other one was the ah when they covered the recession 2007 2008 and and when they chopped it.

26:42.57

Dr_ Placebo

Oh that was good. So so funny.

26:46.97

mikebledsoe

Head off the chicken and let it run around to figure out which who's gonna get bailed out next shit shit sent me over the fucking Moon I was I lost it ugly these people are complete geniuses is this so good.

27:01.42

Dr_ Placebo

He's like trying to return a margarita v he's like well what we did is we took your Margaritaville loan and we bundled it together with a bunch of other Margaritaville loans and we traded it on the open market and then we have people betting. On the viability of the payback of those marker. It's like a fucking margarita maker but they're just going through the whole thing. Ah but through the lens of like an overpriced beverage machine is so funny. Those guys are absolute studs anyway, yeah so.

27:26.21

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

27:32.76

Dr_ Placebo

Back to conspiracy theories. Ah which are really just ah I Guess it's like ah hypotheses right? It's not like it depends on.

27:42.35

mikebledsoe

Right? Well here's the thing is here's the thing is I think we're conspiracy theories people with conspiracy theories get in trouble is when they believe them ah or people who hear conspiracy theory they believe it and it's as if they forget the theory part. And ah, you know there's you know who people are treating like conspiracy facts or conspiracy truth or whatever you want to call it and that's it's it's funny I get sometimes I'll meet somebody who's way into that I'm like like.. What do you believe? I'm like dude I have a hard time believing my own thoughts most of the time let alone some really complicated explanation of how we got this result and somehow you've connected all these dots.

28:27.26

Dr_ Placebo

A.

28:34.74

mikebledsoe

That are this infinite amount of information and go I know who the bad actorress I'm like oh I don't fucking know but I I do know who to avoid though.

28:41.80

Dr_ Placebo

You know what? I think about all this I think that well when when I think about this sort of thing because I I try to use the scientific method which is not ah science tm it's the scientific method. Which is ah see guess test and record right? And if you're really being scientific about things. It really means you're using the scientific method and one of my favorite examples of abandoning the scientific method. Is by people who are atheists. This is a very very funny thing to me because in order to be an atheist the definition of an atheist. Is you believe there is no god certainly but what's funny is that is so far. Equally unproven as the fact is there are 1 or more gods now once again, it depends on your definition of god if you say god is something you believe without proof then there are ah you know certain gods available. Some people could say that money fiat money. Which is faith money is a type of god based on your semantic definition. But what's funny to me is that atheism is a religion of there is definitely no god meaning it is having faith that there is 0 gods.

30:16.86

Dr_ Placebo

And religion is a faith based on. There is 1 or more gods. But if you are truly scientific about it. They are both equally invalid because the burden of proof should be on the one who's trying to prove it. So to me atheism is the absolute funniest religion because it's just based on elitism of I'm too smart to believe in 1 or more gods. But I'm also but that's what I'm saying. It's ah it's a cult.

30:41.50

mikebledsoe

Well I think a lot of people just that they claim it because they don't want to appear stupid. Yeah.

30:50.28

Dr_ Placebo

Of I'm smart. It has no bearing on science whatsoever agnostic is perfectly reasonable but atheism is ah like super unscientific right? So just because no one has proven. There is 1 or more gods doesn't.

31:02.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

31:09.83

Dr_ Placebo

Mean that there is definitely no gods. So it's ah it's like the funniest tribalistic religion that claims to be scientific, but their proof that there is no god is just as scientific as the proof that there is 1 or more which is zilch. If we're talking about the scientific method and that's what's so funny to me. So it's that my favorite example is that atheism is a religion also with no proof and so like like it's it's great.

31:43.30

mikebledsoe

Yeah, there's I think there's a ah Terrence Mckenna quote and he he says something. Ah I'm not gonna quote it exactly but basically take a a scientific based sciencebased atheist and.

31:44.77

Dr_ Placebo

You. Oh.

32:00.98

mikebledsoe

To explain how the world started and it's like look you just give me 1 single miracle and I can explain everything else and it's like oh yeah, so you kind of stuck there.

32:07.90

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

32:15.95

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, totally even the name is very funny. The big bang that it's like the least scientific ah label I've ever heard. There was a it. It sounds like a a fucking ah ah, primitive tribe.

32:21.47

mikebledsoe

Yeah, it's um.

32:33.90

Dr_ Placebo

Trying to explain lightning or the sun. First there was a big boom and then there was fire.

32:34.12

mikebledsoe

Well.

32:41.51

mikebledsoe

Um, as you're you're so spot on so well we got this new telescope out there supposedly I don't know what to believe anymore. Um, probably cgi. Well you you know about the new telescope they put out there that makes the hubble. It's like 20

32:49.88

Dr_ Placebo

I Think telescopes are awesome I Well I I I totally telescopes are cool telescopes and microscopes are.

32:58.47

mikebledsoe

I Forget how many more times more powerful than the hubble it is but.

33:06.81

Dr_ Placebo

Incredibly cool.

33:08.71

mikebledsoe

So cool. So um I guess that all these scientists are questioning themselves now they these astrolog astronomers now astrologists astronomers. Um.

33:19.35

Dr_ Placebo

K five.

33:25.48

mikebledsoe

They're questioning everything because they're looking out there and going oh is the universe contracting and they're doing their job. So but here's.

33:31.70

Dr_ Placebo

Wait They're questioning everything. Do you mean? they're doing science.

33:43.50

mikebledsoe

I Mean we've already talked about this the scientific community at large is primarily filled with institutional thinking you know and ah yeah, so like I think some of these scientists are having you know existential crises at this moment is what it sounds like.

33:45.82

Dr_ Placebo

Um, ah so it's a it's a little religion. It's a little religion. Yeah.

34:01.84

mikebledsoe

Because the the new findings put the big bang in question and now they're going. Well we got to find an answer and it's interesting how we as humans. It's like we need to have some type of ah there's this desire to to ah Certainty. It's like if you. If you're an atheist or you're a Christian or you're a muslim or whatever it is. There's a level of certainty that's being clung to and that creates ah safety. So if I can come in the room and I can create certainty in the room then people feel safe and they. Their nervous system calms down and.

34:42.51

Dr_ Placebo

That's why people make bomb shelters and and hide away bunkers. It's because there's a natural tendency to expand your sphere of control and um. So that that is a hunger that can never be totally filled because you're always going to find some new thing further as you project into the future. So. The only path is some acceptance right? But if you're a hardcore control freak and you must know and you must have certainty. Then there's no end to the certainty because then you'll be like okay, what about 10 years from now. Okay, what about 15 years from now. Okay, what about 50 years from now. Okay, what about my great-great-grandchildren how do I make sure that they survive to be 1000 years old and.

35:31.58

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well, it's interesting. You bring that up the so we think about certainty and we're we're talking about how the universe started people are desiring to have certainty around that so they either choose a religion that has a story about how it started or.

35:32.70

Dr_ Placebo

There's no end to it.

35:47.45

Dr_ Placebo

Um, how nice that they don't have any real problems.

35:51.22

mikebledsoe

Which which I I really like I really like ah yeah I like and I really like a lot of ah religious genesis stories because there's so many metaphors in these genesis stories around language and basically.

36:09.88

Dr_ Placebo

Um, in the beginning there was the word and the word was god.

36:09.99

mikebledsoe

Ah, the the exactly and so yeah and if you if you it's so easy I remember being a kid and hearing that and I go I don't know what the hell that means and. All right? So then he created Adam and then he created the mountains and the earth and oceans and all the ship in the the birds and the fishes and um, it's really like the way I read that now is it's um, it's a metaphor for consciousness.

36:28.41

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

36:42.33

mikebledsoe

Consciousness came online for human beings when language came online. Oh I now have a word for this and this word separates me from the from God the natural world and when when read that way. It makes a lot more sense to me. But when some.

36:45.15

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

36:57.72

Dr_ Placebo

To me God is the genesis of an idea like that's why they say ah you know the word is God and God is the word is that that's the genesis of an idea. So ah, interestingly enough by that logic God is in fact, real. It's just been made by man just like logic is real and it's also a God Basically an idea that's been invented by man. Yeah.

37:24.78

mikebledsoe

Well the well the idea the idea that um was it men don't have ideas ideas have men. Ah who that that's ah man was that voltaire not quite.

37:30.73

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

37:37.64

Dr_ Placebo

I think that was ah max shank who said that actually I'm just going to misattributing all these baller quotes from like many centuries ago and they'll be like wasn't that Plato I was like no that was me.

37:41.55

mikebledsoe

Um, so ah, the a did I I.

37:55.31

Dr_ Placebo

Because no one will no one will follow up very few people.

37:59.22

mikebledsoe

I love posting really like I'll come across a quote and I'll put it on Twitter and then one out of 10 times I was like you know that's normally attributed to Martin Luther King Junior however it was really said by so I'm like get the fuck out of here focus focus on the quote. Don't worry about where it came from.

38:12.43

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I used to be like that too I used to be totally. Ah well my favorite quote is what's more important the quote or the quoter and that's ah my quote which is fucking hilarious I think because does it really matter who said it and what's funny. Is it.

38:24.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, oh.

38:30.16

Dr_ Placebo

Does it does a lot of the time sometimes there's a great quote from like an unknown monk in ah, 1500 Bc or something like that or 500 a d or whatever and people are like oh that's really cool but that would be the easiest quote to poach.

38:49.00

mikebledsoe

Right? Like you know or you know the and Chinese proverb unknown um know yeah and you know that who you're quoting a context matters. So you know if it's a quote. Yeah, but.

38:52.78

Dr_ Placebo

Right? right.

39:01.32

Dr_ Placebo

The appeal to Authority That's God Also so God is the genesis of an idea. It's a word. It's a new idea and it's also um, that appeal to an authority. It's ah like a focal point.

39:11.28

mikebledsoe

Well are are you coming? Are you coming at this from the perspective that that people create thoughts or ideas.

39:23.61

Dr_ Placebo

Um, that's a good question I I believe that ah the thoughts that people have are a combination or permutation of what they have experienced. So. If you put a human being in a vacuum and just gave it food. It wouldn't learn. Ah how to speak it wouldn't learn language so it's just some sort of um. Synthesis or combination or permutation of everything that you are aware of and that's why the idea of having like the genesis of language at all is very interesting and there's a specificity of language. That occurs in many different animals like dolphins and orca have different languages or at least Orca have different languages based on the pod or the family that they're a part of ah green monkeys can lie and say look out. There's a hawk or and we don't know if it. It means hawk or if it just means danger from above but they have distinct calls for danger from above or danger from low below and what they'll do is they will lie. So like if you have a banana I'll say look out a hawk in green monkey language and you'll look out for the hawk and then I'll snatch your.

40:38.97

mikebledsoe

A.

40:51.33

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, your your banana right? So like it's literally the oldest trick in the book which is look over there while I Rob you so so language ah is I I think um the genesis of some ideas. But.

40:57.26

mikebledsoe

Yeah, so.

41:08.71

Dr_ Placebo

You know a polar bear may not have language but it can still plan a spider doesn't have language but it can still plan out an attack where it will like walk around and jump around until they're above their prey and then dangle themselves down mission Impossible style. So.

41:23.92

mikebledsoe

Well well the question I got to ask next is so are are you I find there's 2 camps. There's one camp which is the most popular camp which is. The the materialistic view which is ah consciousness is a byproduct of biology like the biology exists not is what makes consciousness possible or is our.

41:51.49

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

41:56.59

Dr_ Placebo

And.

41:57.93

mikebledsoe

Is physical matter a ah ah manifestation of consciousness.

42:05.38

Dr_ Placebo

Um, you know that's a I knew that's the question you were going to ask actually? um, ah fortunately I have the exact correct answer which is ah how could I know? Ah, it's like ah I.

42:15.78

mikebledsoe

Ooh.

42:21.20

Dr_ Placebo

I can think so does that mean I am so is it I think therefore I am or I am therefore I think basically so our sensory ah Organs influence the way we interpret the world.

42:28.17

mikebledsoe

Right.

42:40.26

Dr_ Placebo

as well as um the the influence of our surroundings like in Africa there's way more words for green because the distinction between different plants is a little more important different words for snow in the inuit tribes. Because that distinction is way more important for survival. Um, whether you are ah, an animal having ah an experience of consciousness or whether you are a consciousness who has called yourself an animal is sort of like a chicken or the egg type of situation. My. My personal perspective is that the I that I refer to as I is um, basically a fabrication of our culture so without these ideas of. Names and things like that you would just be an animal and all animals have some level of consciousness ah mushrooms have some level of consciousness. It's it's a different level of consciousness than a human being. But the fact that they can you know send information miles across a web of mycelium as soon as they figure out how to digest a certain type of material like the biggest living organism is actually a mycelium I think it's an Oregon.

44:11.64

Dr_ Placebo

And it's several square miles in size which is pretty cool and what'll happen is they'll encounter a material that they can't digest figure out a way to digest it and that information that signal will get sent all the way across the mycelium.

44:14.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

44:29.63

Dr_ Placebo

To the other side and then they'll start being able to digest that material whether that's like some sort of rocky mineral or ah or what have you? Ah so different animals and fungi have different levels of consciousness but ah just like the. Story of of God or no God or these gods or those gods. That's that's our invention.

44:57.47

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the um, the perspective I I tend to hold is consciousness creates. There's when I when I went through the hermetic principles. The first principle is that everything is of mind and ah. The idea is that ah everything everything occurs in the mind first and when I when I'm holding that perspective I I find that to be the most useful I don't know which one is true and.

45:31.88

Dr_ Placebo

And.

45:34.10

mikebledsoe

Like you had said, there's no way to know. Um, you know I I think some people have had some experiences that would have them really believe one way or another for me personally I find it to be more useful to ah to be of the. Belief that consciousness is creating everything it to me. It makes everything a little more malleable and if I believe that anything could be changed through thought. Ah then.

46:10.40

mikebledsoe

Then that that seems much more powerful to me and.

46:14.32

Dr_ Placebo

There's a great book by Richard Bachman called illusions that I really like it kind of talks about that. How you you know like ah the only reason you can't swim through the earth and stand on the water is because of your belief in the illusion.

46:18.25

mikebledsoe

I've read that? yeah.

46:30.80

mikebledsoe

Well here's the thing is okay so I the way I see is you don't have a separate mind that I have there's one mind we all share it. You just have different you just you just? yes, you just.

46:30.87

Dr_ Placebo

That it can only work a certain way.

46:42.87

Dr_ Placebo

For humans humans only so one species has one hive mind. Basically yeah.

46:52.15

mikebledsoe

Yeah, we have a certain filter. Um, you know what? I'm gonna have to sit with that one I'm gonna go back and sit with that that question ah because they animals just may have the filter. So the way I see is we share the same mind Consciousness is expanding.

46:59.74

Dr_ Placebo

And.

47:09.81

mikebledsoe

Um, the universe is doing its thing and um may Ornet may not be expanding I'm sure it goes through expansions and contractions just like everything else. Another hermetic print principle being as above so below and.

47:21.46

Dr_ Placebo

How could we measure.

47:27.20

mikebledsoe

We can measure it to a point. But yeah, once you get out there. It's not going to happen. Ah so ah, we all have like this super mind and this is why a lot of the same ideas occur to people around the planet simultaneously or they've done studies with rats where. They're teaching them something in a lab in France and then a lab in Alaska they see those rats be able to solve whatever puzzle that was taught to the rats in France and so you know there they never so met they stayed in those locations. There was no.

47:53.45

Dr_ Placebo

M.

48:03.33

mikebledsoe

No communication between the two that we we would know about and yet they still do that So there. There are some I don't of I would call it ah evidence for it. But there's definitely correlative evidence for that argument and so I really like to think about it as like. These aren't even my thoughts I'm not these are thoughts that are flowing through me and my filter is allowing me to have you know certain thoughts where I'm allowing those thoughts to come and go and so I become a lot less attached to like this is even mine I get a conversation with someone we're having where brainstorming. It's like. This isn't really my thought it's not your thought it's you know it's this is just a thing that's happening right Now. So I like the thing about it like that and I find that to be ah the most useful there's another point I was going? yeah.

48:49.32

Dr_ Placebo

Ah.

48:57.34

Dr_ Placebo

It makes you sound pretty cool Either way I but I think so ah yeah, it's like ah I I don't think you're using it that way. But it's funny because it's kind of like.

49:01.28

mikebledsoe

Does it perfect. That's what I was going for I mean that's the real use utility here.

49:14.95

Dr_ Placebo

Kind of like the coolness factor is apathy. So the super enlightened factor is it's not about me man. It's just about you know the collective. Whatever's going I'm just a conduit I'm just a channel for what's happening now there there is no me man and you're like fuck that guy sounds really cool.

49:25.33

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

49:33.24

Dr_ Placebo

And then what ends up happening is the guy's like fuck. Maybe I am really cool and then it it comes like crashing down and I've experienced that personally a few times myself where I'm like oh man I'm really just like you know I'm I am I'm in it. It's not. There's no me I'm just like.

49:40.90

mikebledsoe

Um, be.

49:52.95

Dr_ Placebo

It's all happening right now and I'm a big part of it and then I go fuck I think I must be pretty enlightened and then just fucking back to the basement like shoots and ladders all the way back to level 1

49:58.48

mikebledsoe

Yeah, the the prop the problem is when you get credit for it. That's that's when it happens someone else gives you credit you give yourself credit and then yeah, then it all just falls at pieces.

50:06.65

Dr_ Placebo

Well, that's what.

50:14.14

Dr_ Placebo

Well and that's also like the the bane of the guru like I was talking um talking with my buddy Brian this morning. Um I know I was well I was talking to him. But yesterday I was talking to ah another gal who works with me Victoria and she got me this lovely book. Ah, that I haven't read yet. Just got it for me wrote a really nice note in it. Ah and I was like oh man, that's so nice and it's by brene brown and brene brown is one of those people who if you're a lady you have to think she's awesome and. I think she is I think she's got a ton of really good ideas. But I think um as you embody the guru more and more you have to create more stuff so you have to muddy the waters a little bit otherwise you sound like what people call a broken record. So what I notice. Is that someone will have a few fantastic idea and I don't know I haven't read the book. It could be like life changing best book I've ever read. But if a pert.

51:18.31

mikebledsoe

Rene Brown is good but to me falls into a similar categories Tony Robbins there's some good stuff in there. But if you dig further beyond the self-love conversation. She gets look. She's an expert in 1 thing and. And think she got lost in some other stuff.

51:35.24

Dr_ Placebo

So selling herself right? And that's what I'm talking about with guruism like you have people with good ideas like Jocko. Ah good ideas. But there's a hunger for more and people are like guru. Ah please tell tell me what. Tell me the truth illuminate the way and if the guru says I already did it fits on an index card like I'm done like go do the thing I said people are like I think I'll find a new guru and they're like wait a second I just thought of something in fact, in.

51:57.77

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

52:08.50

mikebledsoe

I got bills to pay. Ah.

52:11.00

Dr_ Placebo

In fact, it's even it's even better than what I taught you before. In fact, this secret I Just I just unveiled and you know so like the that's what I mean with like the bane of the guru is now you have embodied the guru. And I felt that happen to myself which is why I just fucking vanished off the face of the internet for several years and people are like what what totally totally man.

52:34.54

mikebledsoe

As you're as you're talking about this. Um I relate completely because I I kind of I fell off as well. Yeah, it was like it's like oh I got to keep making shit up. Ah life is actually pretty good. It's pretty simple, pretty straightforward.

52:45.86

Dr_ Placebo

I Wrote 200 plus articles about exercise I Taught 200 seminars all over the world I wrote all these books and video courses and they're excellent by the way like my latest couple primal athleticism and elasticity available on maxshank.com Are so good. They're They're really good. But also if you are having to keep pace with some sort of artificially imposed ah like guruism you're going to muddy the waters a little too much and that's. Um I don't know other than repeating yourself a lot if there is a way to avoid that because there's definitely a hunger and a thirst for knowledge and if you have embodied the characteristics or the character. The avatar of the guru. There's There's definitely a pressure to to make more of this this thing than there actually needs to be.

53:43.48

mikebledsoe

But me.

53:50.60

mikebledsoe

Yeah, well um, think of my friend Jesse Elder who's amazing. Love that guy and so inspired by his creativity and he tends to attract hit huh.

54:07.11

Dr_ Placebo

Here comes here. It comes. Ah.

54:07.94

mikebledsoe

But he had. He's very good at attracting a crowd and he's got that guru vibe goinglling on and the thing that impresses me with him is when I met him in 2014 he was just getting started on the like speaking gig thing.

54:12.97

Dr_ Placebo

So ah.

54:23.49

Dr_ Placebo

Um.

54:24.94

mikebledsoe

And what he was talking about then and what he's talking about now is very much the same but he's so good at creating new context and and weaving together stories to bring people in so like it's it's he he really has gotten it to some core truths and he's really good at.

54:38.74

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

54:44.85

mikebledsoe

Ah, communicating it. But what I'm most impressed with is is a ability to communicate those in a way that people can receive has continuously improved over the years and I love seeing you know I'll see him speak and then three months later seem to speak again and he's cleaned it up or he's tightened it up or he's.

55:02.41

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah.

55:04.37

mikebledsoe

Ah, or he's using a new analogy to get the point across like guy. He's like oh now he's nailing it now. He's nailing it. It's almost like watching you know a comic you know, develop a routine over a year yeah it's like the first show you're like yeah, it's a little clunky and then by the time they're on Netflix special. it's it's tight

55:09.85

Dr_ Placebo

Who hone their routine. It's magic.

55:24.50

mikebledsoe

So I think that there's I think there's ah that impresses me and I really like that. So there's that's somebody who does have he doesn't I don't think he tries to be a guru but he definitely has you know people people follow him like.

55:27.13

Dr_ Placebo

Whoa.

55:34.36

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

55:43.60

mikebledsoe

Cult Leader style.

55:43.21

Dr_ Placebo

And that's what will happen if you get better and better at transmitting ideas right? is you will You will attract a crowd and so it's like can you maintain that integrity without the crowd.

55:48.34

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

55:59.52

Dr_ Placebo

Transforming you into something different like I saw this great video the other day by this Youtube channel after school and it showed this ah transformation of this kid who was like a violin prodigy and then he turned into this guy who just. Eats tons of food like he challenges himself. So the guy gained like hundreds of pounds of fat. He oh dude. So it's like 1 of the most recent after school videos Skool and it goes through this like no one cared that he was ah.

56:22.31

mikebledsoe

What.

56:36.21

Dr_ Placebo

A Violin prodigy but he like ate a big meal once and people were like yeah we like that and so he he was transformed by by the audience because they were craving something else and he's like okay I'll I'll just be that right.

56:51.38

mikebledsoe

Or he's craving validation are you? Oh you're gonna validate me. Yeah, we want to be loved.

56:56.51

Dr_ Placebo

Aren't we all We want to be Loved. We want. What do we want? um attention power Love mostly we want Love if we can't get Love. We'll settle for power if we can't get Power. We'll settle for attention and if you ah aren't getting the attention you want. And then you do something and suddenly you are oh look out that's temptation big time like I used to get ah like high fives and praise and people would even applaud if I could drink the most poison in college like if I could drink a ah. An alcoholic beverage Really fast. So before I knew what was going on I'm taking like 4 lokos and shotgunning them before ten a M because everyone's like Wow What a what a tough cool guy you are and I I Really liked that positive feedback. So yeah, it's.. It's easy to see why people go down certain paths because these ah these base desires for love power attention ah are almost impossible to avoid.

58:10.55

mikebledsoe

Well that that makes me think about my my fitness career and I remember I was I was fifteen years I was like well I had like um.

58:15.49

Dr_ Placebo

Me too I talk about that all the time.

58:24.23

mikebledsoe

I didn't feel like I was getting love. So yeah, maybe it was attention but the what ended up happening is I remember I couldn't I couldn't wait till my fifteenth birthday because on my fifteenth birthday I was allowed to go to the gym and lift weights because my parents didn't want me to stunt my growth and which we know is all bullshit now. But.

58:39.13

Dr_ Placebo

But depends on depends on the level I think if you do gymnastics from age 5 You're probably going to grow less.

58:43.77

mikebledsoe

Like a lot mom.

58:50.42

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, so ah, as soon as I turned 15 I started working out all the time. My dad worked construction. He saw that I was basically burning a lot of energy unnecessarily you know wasn't.

58:54.93

Dr_ Placebo

O who. What right? right? o.

59:06.26

mikebledsoe

And wasn't making any money. Ah, he's used to like yeah pick up heavy shit and walk around and you know we make money when we do it. We're we're being of service and and my perception of how he viewed what I was doing was ah that it was just a ah superficial. Ah, frivolous pursuit and he was like he's like you're never going to make any money. Ah, you're never going to make any money working out and I remember thinking I was like I'll fucking show. You.

59:27.30

Dr_ Placebo

Frivolous.

59:36.94

Dr_ Placebo

Um, I'll show you dad I'll show you? um oh my God are those like the famous last words I'll show them I'll show all of them.

59:45.80

mikebledsoe

Um, and that's what you want to make yourself miserable live like that. So and there were what will ended up happening is I ended up proving him wrong. Um.

59:54.71

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, bro.

59:58.53

Dr_ Placebo

And.

01:00:01.65

mikebledsoe

And but it's not like I only got paid to work out sometimes I was getting paid to work out but I was getting paid for a bunch of other shit too And um, no, that's not true when I was in the Navy I got paid to work out.

01:00:06.44

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, dude, you never got paid to work out though you got paid to like run a company built around people working out you.

01:00:22.13

Dr_ Placebo

That's ah like you got paid extra. You didn't get paid to work out motherfucker you got paid to be in the Navy bitch. Basically what I'm saying is your dad was right.

01:00:23.50

mikebledsoe

No, no, no I mean it was it was.

01:00:32.97

mikebledsoe

Ah, well I'll tell you there there is that I was I was.

01:00:38.20

Dr_ Placebo

Your dad was right? That's all I'm saying.

01:00:41.75

mikebledsoe

I do remember I was I was nineteen years old I was in I was in coronado I'm running on the beach with a group of guys and all we're doing is you know, swimming running and managing being cold as fuck and that was it and I was like I was like.

01:00:48.10

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:01:01.79

mikebledsoe

Fucking Did it I'm getting paid to work out and you know it was very short lived Um, because.

01:01:02.41

Dr_ Placebo

And also not true. You were basically paid to be a weapon and your exercising was like greasing the barrel and the parts basically like.

01:01:14.92

mikebledsoe

Um, you are 100% accurate about that. Yeah I was ah you know, ah, it's so funny like people are like wow thank you know you're a veteran. Oh thank you I'm like um I'm like I'm like as I got duped you know like I got.

01:01:25.35

Dr_ Placebo

Thank you for your service.

01:01:35.14

mikebledsoe

Like you're like congratulating me for being a ah for getting duped I appreciate it. Yeah I went and basically worked for the the biggest gangsters on the planet. So cool you know? ah I was muscle for the biggest gangsters on the planet for.

01:01:47.53

Dr_ Placebo

Um, hey if you're gonna be in a gang be in the toughest one. It's still like. Ah.

01:01:51.85

mikebledsoe

Ah, through a period of time being the biggest baddest toughest one and I was so so eat it.

01:01:59.91

Dr_ Placebo

It's still the great. It's It's still the great pirates. It's the same shit is still ah the great pirates who has the fastest boats who has the best range. It's ah hilarious. How true that is.

01:02:02.28

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:02:08.18

mikebledsoe

Totally yeah so it's funny because a number of years ago. Not that long ago I remember I had that memory I go I go oh my god this is about five years ago I was like oh my god is my entire. Fucking career built around that moment where I was going to prove my dad wrong. do I do I really like working out. Ah do I like talking about fitness do I really like these things and the reality is is yeah I do love health and fitness and I i. Find time in the gym almost every day and I enjoy myself in there. It's one way I show myself love and it doesn't play nearly the role it used to There's so many other interests that get play time and then in addition to that i. I'm showing myself love by taking care of my body but I'm not working out for any type of validation from other people anymore. So it's it's caused me to be in a much better spot and dude I probably make less money because I I seek less validation.

01:03:08.31

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I get it.

01:03:21.22

mikebledsoe

Ah, if I if I was one of those people I I listen like no like no the Alex warmosi was talking about this in a video. He's basically saying like insecurity is what you need to be a you know 100 millionaire I'm like you might be right because i.

01:03:22.39

Dr_ Placebo

You don't have the same motivation to like you don't care like so value.

01:03:38.94

mikebledsoe

Have very few insecurities these days and the necessity that.

01:03:42.22

Dr_ Placebo

If you don't feel secure if you don't feel secure with $50000000 then a hundred isn't going to make you feel secure. You know what I'm saying like that that's sort of like what I'm talking about is like who's to say that what's right for you is right for me. It's like why? ah like Gary Vaynerchuk

01:03:51.67

mikebledsoe

Um, a.

01:03:59.16

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:04:00.33

Dr_ Placebo

Gary Vee that fucking guy that guy to me is out of his god damn mind and he might have a few good ideas like let's not discount it. But.

01:04:08.94

mikebledsoe

Ah I'll say he's made improvements over the years his message five years ago versus today has as improved and from what I can see.

01:04:16.60

Dr_ Placebo

And that's cool, but like what we said is you know when we see other people we see through a window so we don't see the big. We don't see the whole thing that's going on and there is nothing to cloud our evaluation of it. When we look at ourselves we look into a mirror so we see basically the whole thing and we have our ego in the way. So that's why I say it's harder to look into a a mirror than it is to look through a window but of course that's because you don't see the big picture. You're more objective rather than subjective about the whole thing. But with um, you know these guys who assume this avatar you know they they embody this persona and you're almost caught in a loop where you're it's sort of a sunk cost fallacy you know Gary Vee I got to own the jets. Someday and look for him that might be exactly the right thing. So I don't want to say that that's a bad goal because it's his goal but it's not my goal like I would not trade ah playing tennis and hanging out with my dogs more often. Ah. To sacrifice maybe owning a sports team because to me that's like no extra value. You know what I'm saying so that idea of insecurity will lead you to a hundred million I mean maybe maybe not but like.

01:05:48.19

Dr_ Placebo

Why do you want that in the first place is it because you really believe in what you're doing is it because you feel like 10000000 just won't be good enough or 20 or or whatever I mean it's ah it's really a funny thing like how we fall into these patterns.

01:06:00.19

mikebledsoe

I I invested in a sports team once to look cool. Yeah yeah, and then the entire league went belly up like two months after I invested and I lost all my money.

01:06:06.17

Dr_ Placebo

Really nice.

01:06:16.55

mikebledsoe

That I what I felt cool for about three days and I I got like I got like 15 now I would say the highlight this is the highlight.

01:06:16.61

Dr_ Placebo

did you feel cool for two months though did you feel cool for two months though did you get any swag like like ah a hat.

01:06:35.50

mikebledsoe

Is what $60000 got me by the way is got me about 10 or 15 tickets at Madison square gardens in New York City ah some like front row shit and I got to like.

01:06:42.97

Dr_ Placebo

So.

01:06:48.19

mikebledsoe

All my all my northeast friends I called him up I was like meet me at Massison You know we're gonna meet at the bar Beforehand have some drinks go watch the teams compete. So like I had ownership in it. It was the grid league. It was that Crossfit Rip off.

01:06:56.30

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, what? what? sport.

01:07:05.34

Dr_ Placebo

Nice.

01:07:06.80

mikebledsoe

And which I think that sport still exists I actually prefer it over cross so there are things I actually prefer about it over Crossfit it definitely produces high power athletes that athletes were bigger and more skilled because it was not as much of an endurance sport.

01:07:14.51

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yeah.

01:07:22.56

Dr_ Placebo

And.

01:07:24.53

mikebledsoe

More of a power sport and um, and yeah I got tickets and I you know I got to be the cool guy I got to like call call up all the other fitness influencers that were in my world and we're all sitting together and dude we had a great time. We had a great time.

01:07:31.88

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, yep.

01:07:38.75

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:43.47

mikebledsoe

It It definitely put me I had status and and I rode that high. Yeah I purchased status more than once and I.

01:07:46.44

Dr_ Placebo

You can bias status us. You can also sell status for money. It's a very funny. It's very funny how that works.

01:07:57.90

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, so ah, yeah, it was very short lived it went it went I went from like feeling like the coolest guy to um and I only owned a ah like three percent of the team. Ah I went from feeling like Mr Cool guy status but then like.

01:08:10.82

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

01:08:17.58

mikebledsoe

You know a month or 2 after that maybe a month after that the whole thing just came crashing down and then I felt like the most foolish guy like ah I'm foolish and the swings were big. The swings were big. Ah no more sports teams for me.

01:08:21.23

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:08:33.60

Dr_ Placebo

But you know that's also that's also been ah part of what has attracted you so much Wealth is because it's been a little bit easy. Come easy. Go right? You've been willing to bet.

01:08:47.64

mikebledsoe

Yeah I do have investments in 2 companies are looking to go public so that you know, um now I'm not going to now.

01:08:47.80

Dr_ Placebo

You've been willing to bet big and you've gotten paid out big and hey there you go can you can you reveal what they are. You don't have to you don't have to reveal the the brand specifically. But. Um, what sector is it like nutrition. Is. It.

01:09:07.52

mikebledsoe

Ah, um, one one nutrition and 1 um oh emotional wellbeing company technology into tech company.

01:09:21.47

Dr_ Placebo

So like software as a service kind of thing. Oh cool. That's awesome. You know that sounds a little bit more aligned with ah your values than ah purchasing a piece of a sports team.

01:09:23.47

mikebledsoe

No, it's not software. It's it's hardware and software. Yeah, there's there's ah over over a dozen patents in there which is also nice.

01:09:38.95

Dr_ Placebo

For a sport that no one cares about that's good. That's good. That's good man. That's very that's awesome.

01:09:41.80

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah, you yeah much more aligned. Yeah, it's exciting and the products are solid. So I write I Really love it.. That's the things like man. Ah you know you for me. And we've talked about investments before I Really like to invest in things that I find exciting and I believe in and products that I would use or do use and um, and yeah, it just it's not nearly as much of a stable way of investing but you know.

01:10:00.32

Dr_ Placebo

Oh.

01:10:10.95

Dr_ Placebo

Right.

01:10:13.97

mikebledsoe

I've had some wins some losses. But overall I'm up So I call it good.

01:10:19.28

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah, my my investing strategy is to um, make sure there's some stuff that I don't touch that's professionally managed in a really cautious way and then I can be like a freewheeling ah gambler with the rest and just ah, you know.

01:10:27.44

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah.

01:10:32.71

mikebledsoe

Yeah I mean that's.

01:10:37.49

Dr_ Placebo

I'll like I'll like pay an engineer to design something for me and ah so far that just has always gone to 0 But the fact of the matter is but but that's my whole point is like you know cost benefit and risk assessment is like if you're going to invest in something that can go all the way to 0

01:10:49.88

mikebledsoe

Ah, yeah.

01:10:56.92

Dr_ Placebo

Should be something that can one hundred or one thousand or ten Thousand x in return and as long as you don't put all your eggs in that basket. You're going to still be okay now granted, that's not right for everybody like I read Richard Branson's book and it fucking almost gave me stomach ulcers. He's like.

01:11:05.81

mikebledsoe

Now.

01:11:16.77

Dr_ Placebo

He's like so things I mean he'd already mortgaged his house and his boat several times and bankrupt several times and then finally finally virgin music is this international company. They got tons of amazing artists. They got a huge library. Things are going well and he's like I think I'm going to start an airline and in order to do that. He had to borrow against this successful business to buy like airplanes and engines his fucking dude his board members were like threatening to.

01:11:41.58

mikebledsoe

Did had like break at break. So many rules you never borrow against a company to fund another company.

01:11:52.50

Dr_ Placebo

His board members wanted to kill him. They're like why are you doing this. He's like I need 50000000 for a fucking engine. We hit a bird you hit a bird on our first flight and we owe 100000000 to the bank of England already and I'm just watching. Um.

01:11:57.31

mikebledsoe

Ah.

01:12:09.70

Dr_ Placebo

I'm watching this I'm like this guy is risking his entire life and what's crazy is there's this survivorship Bias which is another one of those cognitive biases. There are a lot of people who make choices like that and then they fucking go broke and it's game over but the ones who.

01:12:15.95

mikebledsoe

Yeah.

01:12:25.91

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, survive are the only ones that we hear about of course not of course not.

01:12:28.54

mikebledsoe

Yeah, but going broke isn't doesn't mean it's over. You know it's I mean I think was it. Ah you know whatever you think about Trump that guy has been you know filed bankruptcy I think ah 2 or 3 times for and maybe not him personally but businesses.

01:12:44.37

Dr_ Placebo

Dude you you know what? this is actually one of my favorite stories because um, he owed I think he owed like over a billion dollars and was like bankrupt right? And so.

01:12:45.69

mikebledsoe

So like that's it. Okay.

01:12:58.38

mikebledsoe

It's so crazy.

01:13:01.43

Dr_ Placebo

What's interesting is people who hated him would bring that up as like a bad thing like oh he can't he can't manage his company look. He's a failed businessman and I was like but the rest of the story is that he paid it all back eventually.

01:13:11.53

mikebledsoe

Right.

01:13:17.59

mikebledsoe

Oh.

01:13:19.72

Dr_ Placebo

Like that's what's so crazy like once again, love them or hate him that guy is a character and a half. He's definitely got some negative traits that I personally can't stand and he's got some traits that I find extremely admirable to like face total obliteration and then. Come back out of it is a really admirable quality and if you get too ah enveloped in your hatred for someone you won't recognize the positive things. So I Thought the fact that people I thought I thought the.

01:13:48.57

mikebledsoe

You lack learning at that point.

01:13:53.94

Dr_ Placebo

Fact that people saw that as a negative when actually that's probably the biggest positive is that he faced that total failure. Super bankruptcy I don't know if there's a word for us just like so much and then he's like I'm gonna. I'm going to pay it all back I'm going to come back out of this and I'm going to work and pay it all back and that is ah to me that's way more of a positive than a negative.

01:14:19.36

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy I didn't know that part of the story only heard the headlines interesting. Let's ah I don't really pay attention that shit. Um.

01:14:26.56

Dr_ Placebo

Ah, wait what weird? Well what was what was the topic today by the way I think it was how's your week one.

01:14:35.71

mikebledsoe

But what was a topic. Yeah, that's how we started I was thinking about idling this show. Love power attention. Yeah yeah, dig it.

01:14:44.59

Dr_ Placebo

Yeah I mean that's it right? Yeah I like it I think it's good to evaluate where you are trying to get love from beware of guruism. Ah, both ways. If. There's a guru that you hate but he says some things that you need to hear you should probably ignore your hatred for him and ah accept what's really useful and if you ah idolize someone you might not be as discerning. And what is actually going on there right.

01:15:18.90

mikebledsoe

Yeah, yeah, and I want to remind everybody is beware of who you're modeling and who you're anti-modeling and use your critical thinking skills to be able differentiate between the the traits that somebody has versus.

01:15:27.51

Dr_ Placebo

E.

01:15:36.80

mikebledsoe

Their entire being and be able to extract out what's useful for you and what you want to have for yourself and what you want to not have for yourself and make sure to go over to macshank.com purchase. Ah those books and digital products and I can guarantee. It's good stuff. I've I've trained with max a bit I always learned something new that gets me thinking for weeks and weeks afterwards sometimes months. Even so yeah, you showed.

01:16:05.68

Dr_ Placebo

Oh that's very exciting. It's very nice of you to say Mike I actually just had ah ah the first member of the gym come back in town for a visit he lives in Indiana now and he started training with me thirteen years ago when I started the gym.

01:16:14.15

mikebledsoe

Thank you.

01:16:20.70

Dr_ Placebo

And he took a class with me and he's like wow that was so different that was amazing and I was like god I hope so I hope I have some different ideas from thirteen years ago it's definitely ah it's been it's been such journey man and there there is probably there are probably few industries.

01:16:30.57

mikebledsoe

Ah.

01:16:38.96

Dr_ Placebo

More mentally ill than the fitness industry. It's so much about how things appear to be rather than the way things are so ah, thank you guys for listening. Thank you Mike check out Mike Underscore bled so as he.

01:16:41.38

mikebledsoe

I am okay.

01:16:54.90

Dr_ Placebo

Makes his Instagram farewell to farewell to her before going on to other things I think.

01:16:59.67

mikebledsoe

Dude I'm I'm I'm close I'm getting there. There is another platform.

01:17:04.58

Dr_ Placebo

For so for all of you following Mike if all for all of you following Mike Ah just switch over to at ma shank instead I'm like I'm like a vulture like.

01:17:12.61

mikebledsoe

Um, will the ah there's ah pick up the dead pieces.

01:17:20.00

Dr_ Placebo

I'm just circling around the giant carcass of Mike Bloodso Fit guru

01:17:26.76

mikebledsoe

Ah, fuck. Yeah I am looking at a new platform that we may be able to host this podcast on and some other things so be on a lookout for that And yeah, yeah, a buddy of mine. He's he launched it.

01:17:38.17

Dr_ Placebo

That's exciting.

01:17:43.82

mikebledsoe

And I haven't talked to him in years and I got the phone with him yesterday and was like oh shit this is legit. So um, people are problem solving problems. Ah, and yeah, if you want check out me my my stuff you know like max said Instagram account but also you can head over to thestrongcoach.com

01:17:47.90

Dr_ Placebo

Oh no.

01:18:03.30

mikebledsoe

Got some ah cool products and services over there and a summit coming up in November later y'all love you max.

01:18:08.76

Dr_ Placebo

Later y'all love you.

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