Chaos & Order

00:00.00	mikebledsoe	Welcome to Monday morning with Mike and max and today we're gonna be talking about order and chaos. You know I think that there's a place for both and society as a whole likes to swing really really hard and me as an individual I do the same thing max. Thanks for joining for another Monday as we discuss topics that seem highly abstract and somehow try to get it to become practical for the listeners.
00:28.90	Max Shank	Yeah I think order and chaos could be the name of our show because it's really quite a chaotic ride I think it's an excellent train of thought that gets frequently derailed. But that's part of what makes it fun and interesting and not only do I think order and chaos are ah definitive of each other they define each other i. I think what you said is perfect. We we swing back and forth really hard from more order to more chaos and we try to get tighter control and then more freedom and ah you know more openness or more boundary setting and that back and forth ah can be. Can be really exciting and in societies actually None of the things that's really important about playing and especially wrestling roughhousing that sort of thing is understanding the line between fighting and play fighting and ah. Being able to introduce chaos in a safe environment because the whole purpose of society is to create order reduce chaos as much as possible so you need something to dose you. With chaos. So you don't become um a a sissy and sad.
04:01.40	mikebledsoe	Yeah, that and it yeah said I mean the like for me creativity happens after things get shaken up I think about um, no structure is the structure forever. Um, we the human spirit desires for change because we also live in an environment. Ah, ah, ever present change and um, you know we got to if we want to have some stability. We do need to set up structures in society. We need to set up structures in our own life. But we also need to recognize when it's time to assess and reassess these things and I think creating those safe spaces like you're saying where we can't introduce chaos in small amounts or over a short period of time in ah and a confined space. Ah. Really allows us to not have to go through really big societal bits of chaos which I think we're experiencing right now. There's when I think about rites of passage for young men that has been. Ah, regularly conducted over Millennia and it hasn't really happened in american society in the last few generations and so nature comes along and says hey um. Noticed that you guys haven't introduced any of this planned chaos. Ah you know a rite of passage for a man usually involves being out of control and and being needing to submit to the universe and. And usually facing death in some way or the acknowledgement of death and it can feel It's a big pattern interrupt and pattern interrupts tend to be a little chaotic in nature and when a society or an individual. Has been comfortable for too long in their order then nature is going to come along and shake it up because everything's always changing and we may be fighting to keep it the same but at some point the environment's going to break the the individual or the culture.
08:24.35	Max Shank	Yes, and you also sacrifice some of the excitement of life if you imagine someone who was born in a castle isolated from most of the world. There's going to be None of order. None exposure to chaos and they may live their whole life in that environment and then have a child of their own that lives in that environment but eventually ah just like the seasons change and ah different. Creatures Rise up and overcome in different parts of the ecosystem. Ah the people in power never stay up there for long and the more you try to create order the more fragile that individual becomes because they're not dosed. With that chaos and that stimulus because our bodies and minds are always adapting via the said principle. So We're always adjusting to what's going on. So if you have no exposure to Chaos. You will be much more fragile. Ah.
10:54.40	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah.
10:50.13	Max Shank	By by definition.
11:18.74	mikebledsoe	Yeah I'm listening to a book by Ray Dalio right now I think it's called the rise of the rise of nation rise and fall of nations or something like that and he he he's talking about the 5 cycles through a society and.
11:10.69	Max Shank	M.
11:24.51	Max Shank	Ah.
11:58.14	mikebledsoe	You know if you've read the fourth turning they they identify None cycles. He identifies 5 and these cycles last about 100 years or the the cycles last about 2025 years and there's 4 or 5 of them depending on which expert you ask? and basically what happens is it. Ah, you the society falls into ah each generation becomes more and more chaotic until it's unbearable and that everyone who's like and it usually ends in civil war and external war and then everybody says. Fuck it. We need. We need more order. You know the the economics are broken where everyone's fighting with each other It's it's highly disordered and then what you end up with is a whole yeah a whole generation comes comes along and is like starving for it. So they.
13:04.10	Max Shank	The big prick comes in.
13:19.11	Max Shank	Yeah, one and it's ah.
13:52.30	mikebledsoe	They're wanting I mean that that's basically how Hitler got the power right? Germany was experiencing an incredible amount of chaos and this guy says you know what? if you just do what I say then things will be better and and they were for a while. There's there's there's videos of like.
13:33.19	Max Shank	Exactly.
13:52.97	Max Shank	And it's frightening.
14:31.72	mikebledsoe	The the population gathering and arenas and exercising together. They were like very lockstep and everything was really good for a short period of time until the 1 person who was in charge decided to fucking go nuts and one of the thing.
14:34.17	Max Shank	Right? Where there's there's like a line where people are like you know we're really glad that this ah this dick really like got things under control. You know it was a little too chaotic I felt afraid there was pillaging and rioting and then that dictator. Crosses the line and everyone's like whoa, not like that and then and then it goes back to you know, just that did that to that to da today.
15:47.14	mikebledsoe	Um, well the the danger is is when you're when you're in ah and a highly ordered society like that the the amount of thinking by the individual is reduced because they don't have to make as many choices and so. They're less likely.. There's that slippery slope they're less likely to catch poor judgment from the top because it's been so good and just one value judgment at a time and next thing you know you're just killing a bunch of people.
16:15.69	Max Shank	Yo absolutely and you you can understand why that would attract people I remember watching this series. Excellent series. The dictator's playbook. The episode on Mussolini he's you know, given a speech from some balcony and he goes None italy None decision and everyone goes. Yeah, they are.
17:51.80	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
17:24.61	Max Shank	Onboard They want a so bad like None maybe hundreds. It's so many people and they were so excited that he's like look I will call the shots. You guys don't want to trouble yourselves with these minor details I will take care of everything and. If you've had a good lady or significant other in your life having someone make decisions for you effectively in ah is amazing like there are certain things like some. You have this comparative advantage where someone else now is responsible for stocking the kitchen stocking the bathrooms getting this taken care of like you know you have that division of management basically and it feels amazing. Like if you get the right person to make your decisions you are on Easy Street. It's just ah, absolute power right.
19:55.50	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well I think I think the the happy medium with that because I agree is is you know when you have for instance in the United States you have if you had None person if we had a dictatorship you have None person making the. Decision for 350000000 people. It's not possible for the human mind to be able to grasp the actual impact of the decision on on the individuals and this makes me think about Dunbar's number you know was a.
20:42.37	Max Shank	Oh.
21:10.94	mikebledsoe	Around None is about as many people as 1 person can keep up with in relationship after that you know people all kind of start looking the same. You don't make as much eye contact. You're not going to remember their names. You're you're not in community and this is why a lot of churches.
21:07.45	Max Shank	Oh.
21:49.94	mikebledsoe	What they do is they break up after they get to about 150 members and then another church will open up. Ah yeah, and so these like that most churches do that. But in some churches become megachurches and have 10000 members or something like that.
21:37.77	Max Shank	It's like setting up little franchises with limits.
21:56.53	Max Shank	Yeah.
22:28.92	mikebledsoe	And that requires a higher level of leadership and hierarchy hierarchy has to be built into the system in order for that to happen. So when there's and the same thing for Crossfit Gyms all these crossfit gyms sprung up a decade ago and we all watched it happen. It.
22:10.19	Max Shank	Right.
23:05.62	mikebledsoe	It was a very community driven thing and when it got about 150 members 1 member goes I could do this better. They go open another gym and then they pull some of the gym members away and it's it's just like church and.
22:53.27	Max Shank	Ah, crossfits are like church well said I agree there are a lot of similarities there I'm on board.
23:41.28	mikebledsoe	Ah, yeah, there's a lot of similarities. Yeah, but I think it's a really great demonstration of Dumbbar's number and that the person the person that I'm gonna trust to help.
23:29.31	Max Shank	O.
24:13.36	mikebledsoe	So make decisions for me right? There's somebody on my team and my company my girlfriend my close group of friends. You know, somebody's organizing a ah ah week long vacation I don't even ask me any questions. They just tell me how much money to throw in the pot and then I show up I'm okay with that. But when we start dealing with people I've never met before and have never met me and now they're making decisions on my behalf I think that becomes problematic.
24:31.63	Max Shank	Well, yeah I mean that's that's trust right there I mean who who you choose to trust is a really important choice choosing the right doctor instead of the wrong doctor. Choosing the right trainer instead of the wrong trainer right? Coach instead of the wrong coach and it's not that there it was an absolute good and an absolute bad.. It's just whether or not the resultant partnership or collaboration is gonna be constructive or not because. Some people respond really well to ah stick-based motivation and competitiveness and some people respond way better to carrot-based motivation and creativity and Non-competitiveness. So just finding the right? um. Partnership there like who do you trust with that area of your life is massive.
26:59.62	mikebledsoe	Yeah, and going into trust I think one of the reasons we're we're in a massive amount of chaos in our society right now is because there is a lack of trust you know nobody like like the trust of the media is an all time low.
26:43.99	Max Shank	Um, well yeah.
27:37.62	mikebledsoe	Politicians is an all time low you you ask the average american and they'll just be like yeah the the news and the the politicians are all full of shit. You know there's probably twenty thirty percent think it's still good. But.
27:25.71	Max Shank	Which I think is which I think is good I think ah like a skeptical society will actually come up with better solutions but trust saves Calories. Ah the whole Concept. Of a group is built on trust the the whole the whole thing is trust based ah fiat currency all these different things you're trusting that the person in charge is going to do. What's best for You. You're trusting that. Um. You know if you help out with the hunt that you're going to get some of the bounty from that hunt and that we're all going to be part of this unit. We're going to look out for each other.. It's like you scratch my back I'll scratch yours and having those relationships. Is the most powerful thing there is like I think of one of the best survival tools as a radical Rolodex So Just having the right array of people that you can call experts in different fields. But more importantly people that you trust to give you. Real solid Answer. So our whole response to bringing order into chaos bringing order out of chaos is based on faith or Trust. Ah, even if you take it from a religious standpoint. You are putting your faith or trust in a supreme being that we cannot see so it's all it's all trust you could say that? yeah.
31:12.48	mikebledsoe	Know or or you could say that that supreme being is everything and everywhere and you see it all the time. But yeah, that's what I say. Ah.
31:13.51	Max Shank	I'm pretty sure God is a butterfly. It's the butterfly God Yeah, the other all the other ones are not true I mean I'm pretty religious but it's definitely the butterfly god.
31:45.94	mikebledsoe	The Butterfly god.
32:04.78	mikebledsoe	There you go. So I I think I think back to like personal experiences with order and chaos and I watch I look at my own life and I watch my own self I'm one of those people that the pendulum swings pretty hard. I Think for some people the pendulum kind of hangs out in the middle for me. It's I go really deep into chaos and then really deep into order and ah, there's not a lot of time spent in the middle. But for me I think that helps with ah.
32:39.39	Max Shank	Go.
33:23.50	mikebledsoe	More progress is it's definitely not the less least painful way of going about it. But I find it's not for everybody but when I'm but everyone does experience that everyone goes to these cycles of order and chaos and the when I go into.
33:06.10	Max Shank	It's not for everybody.
33:59.68	mikebledsoe	Times of order what I see is a destruction of the structures. Ah that I had set up in my life previously. Whatever rituals or routines that I had previously were swept away So a really good example of this is I went I sold all my things.
33:32.25	Max Shank	Length.
34:39.80	mikebledsoe	Got down to two bags and went nomadic for a few years I really didn't have much of anything I left my books with some friends. Yeah yeah, dude I I did some crazy shit Um, during that time it was it.
34:20.60	Max Shank	Speaking of a rite of passage right? feels like a rite of passage.
35:15.32	mikebledsoe	I destroyed everything like I I left the business I had spent years building I ended up getting divorced I was traveling didn't have a home the level of novelty that was always present was so high that getting making progress on any None thing was. Was close to impossible including taking care of my own health and but it was a really necessary time for me to reestablish a new structure so I needed to I desired a.
35:29.75	Max Shank	A.
36:26.78	mikebledsoe	New structure so much that I had to I had to really flatten the building I had to rebuild some people are just renovating their house all the time I needed to it was a teardown say my life is a Teardown. Let's just go back down to the slab. Let's go down to the slab and then rethink the floor plan.
36:11.45	Max Shank	Ah.
37:05.66	mikebledsoe	And everything so the I think I think the reason yeah I think the reason people don't do that is because well when you've been living under 1 structure your whole life going back to the and rebuilding new floor plan. You have no idea what to do so there's there's the lack of.
36:39.21	Max Shank	Takes a lot more time to do that. Also.
37:43.52	mikebledsoe	Knowledge that can be scary for people to do that demolition plan and then the the knowing that man I I spent say None building this one house and now I'm just going to completely demolish it and start over I know that what I build next is going to be so much better. But.
37:35.91	Max Shank	Her.
38:23.36	mikebledsoe	That's a lot of work.
37:56.33	Max Shank	And absolutely and it's even ah, depending on. Ah how you're wired. It's more like choosing which limb to cut off because it's a part of you is like you're.
38:54.38	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
38:30.73	Max Shank	Your identity is wrapped up into whatever it is you have going on this marriage this business this habit this thing over here to like strip those away and start coming to the I I think. Crazy shocking realization that most of your like baggage and Bullshit was just thoughtlessly inherited just thoughtlessly and you you weren't like trying to inherit it. It was just Monkey See Monkey Do Bing Bam boom.
39:58.54	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah.
39:48.63	Max Shank	And you're like now I'm this and you get wrapped up into like I'm this and this is good cause I'm good and that's what I'm trying to say all the time. So why would you want to let that go in exchange for something that is unknown right? because that's what really scares people is like I'll take this from.
40:44.56	mikebledsoe	Yeah, and.
40:26.73	Max Shank	Familiar pain to the unknown that is like I don't know if it's a devil's bargain or a fool's bargain but it doesn't sound like a good deal and yet that's what most of us make is we'll take the familiar pain I'll take familiar pain again. Thank you compared to the unknown.
41:28.26	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, there's um I think in the landmark education they call it the winning strategy. So it's it's a strategy that you learn at a young age where you go Oh if I behave like this.
41:03.49	Max Shank	Ah, no yeah.
41:17.77	Max Shank	Oh.
41:29.70	Max Shank	Um, ah yeah.
42:04.72	mikebledsoe	Then this happens or I get to avoid this by being like this I get to you know my dad got mad at me 1 time for doing this. You know I'll never do anything that resembles that ever again and now you become now that that becomes part of who you are and forms the personality and it becomes a winning strategy and.
41:39.89	Max Shank	Totally.
42:15.71	Max Shank	Oh man.
42:44.80	mikebledsoe	And you end up and you get the reward at a young age and then you start collecting evidence for that being a winning strategy. Yeah, you're like oh and you're unable to see where it's not working because it's the only thing that's present. So this is what creates the blind spots.
42:27.79	Max Shank	Um, it's like heroin. Oh my god.
42:45.71	Max Shank	Man.
43:23.54	mikebledsoe	And the the winning strategy is something that is very difficult to let go because it is usually very responsible for a lot of success in your life like somebody may their winning strategy may be shit talking themselves and that's and they overcome it like the beside Navy Seal's name.
43:21.95	Max Shank	Yeah.
44:01.38	mikebledsoe	Who are ah David Goggins yeah I mean he's he's highly accomplished but he seems miserable as fuck and so he he seems like it is like like he's a perfect example. David Goggins is a perfect example of somebody who.
43:36.69	Max Shank	Goggins. Yeah.
44:41.32	mikebledsoe	Has a winning strategy. It's getting him some type of reward. But it's costing him so much in his life that he's completely unaware of and doesn't he doesn't value it because he hasn't touched it yet and yet I've met I mean I went through this myself I went from becoming successful.
44:37.30	Max Shank	When.
45:16.80	mikebledsoe	Shit talking myself and what I was trying to avoid versus you know, ah talking to myself like I was a how would I talk to a None ar old. Well, that's probably how I should talk to myself and so anyways going back to the the people are afraid to give up that. Winning strategy because they're afraid that if they let go of that piece that that piece of their identity. They're not going to be good at something anymore and being good at something is what's earned them. Love.
45:46.51	Max Shank	Oh my God It's like a tool. It's It's like you're setting down your sword before you waltz into the Dragons Den It's like when I was a kid I learned about lying now. Okay, lying is a strategy.
46:30.44	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
46:24.11	Max Shank	That has almost no limits to it in terms of what you can get for Yourself. You can get out of trouble instantly so I was lying all the time growing up as soon as I was able to get away with it I mean what's a better rush than that and there are all kinds of behaviors like that. That they work so you just keep doing them.
47:34.92	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah, yeah, they work and then until they don't right? and this is this is where you know, um when we did when in psychology when when we look at like stages of development and.
47:19.29	Max Shank	Until they don't.
48:13.72	mikebledsoe	What ends up happening is the the things that that move you into one stage of development will end up being the things that hold you back from the next and in fact, when if you look at say the the model of spiral dynamics for psychology and and human development is you're actually moving from. Um.
47:59.71	Max Shank	A.
48:52.36	mikebledsoe	More of an eye oriented to a we oriented but there's also a bit of chaos and order on either side of that as well. So it's more of a spiral so you got we and I so some stages are more we oriented some stages more eye oriented but then it's it's not ah, it's not a straight line back and forth. It's ah it's a spiral.
48:40.75	Max Shank	Ah.
49:29.10	mikebledsoe	And in between the eye and the we is is chaos and when you're making the transition and then you've got to bring the order back and so for people to want that chaos in their life. They usually have to be really unhappy with the way something's going on in their life. People when I think about this I think about ah people that have dysfunctional patterns of behavior and a lot of people I think think about oh I have anxiety or I have like some type of system a symptom that might show up in the Dsm um, Dsm whatever it is the. Psychology playbook of symptoms and diagnoses and they they think oh I've got this I'm suffering from this thing and that's the dysfunction. But it's not the best way to find dys function in your life is to just to see what's not working. What what do you desire to be different in your life but you can't seem to get there that to me that demonstrates that there's some type of dysfunction and usually people believe that there's nothing they can do about it. But once they get a hint. And they're just fucking sick and tired of this thing being true in their life. You're like you know I'm gonna do something about it fuck it and then they start digging deep and there's a lot of work to be done there but that that itself becomes chaotic because as you start making changes in your life. You basically have to start behaving differently for everyone else in your life. And they do not like that because they expect you to behave a certain way and that that creates relational chaos.
52:14.97	Max Shank	I Think of it in a very basic way which is you have momentum being a certain way and the easiest thing to do is just continue with that Momentum. That's the most effortless thing you can do. So your pain or discomfort needs to be proportional to the adjustment of your trajectory like you need to be dissatisfied or uncomfortable enough to overcome the momentum of living a certain way. And it's not until that happens that a person takes action. Otherwise why would they? it's pure law of least Action. We're going to do the minimum we can unless ah otherwise authorized from a higher order kind of function. And even that is going to be based on a ah big picture discomfort um with just letting things flow as they may. It's like ah I'm uncomfortable not doing this thing. It's it's too painful to not. Go to Mars anymore. It's too painful to not get a divorce anymore. It's too painful to not start a business anymore. Whatever it is. There's like it's different for everybody different pain threshold for different pain catalyst.
55:40.30	mikebledsoe	Everyone's got different rock bottom. Yeah, and that makes me think about our concept I I know I didn't create it. But um, the the feather I don't know where it came from the feather the break the Mac truck and if have I told you about this yet.
55:46.10	Max Shank	The feather the brick and the Mac truck. No no I told you this but why don't you go ahead and share it with everybody.
56:28.20	mikebledsoe	Are you.
56:34.76	mikebledsoe	Pretty out did I hear I didn't hear from you did you or did you are you the originator.
56:15.21	Max Shank	Go ahead. Just let let them know what it is. It's fine. Go ahead.
56:55.98	mikebledsoe	Um, so yeah, the the the feather the Breakke the mack truck. You always get the message very lightly in the beginning and most people ignore it then it comes a little harder and then it's a fucking mack truck and it runs you over.
56:51.95	Max Shank	Here. A e.
57:31.96	mikebledsoe	And think that the skill is learning to listen for feathers and so it's a it's a it's a it's about being more sensitive. Yeah.
57:23.75	Max Shank	Right? But you don't want to get startled every time you feel the wind either right? when there's nothing there. Yeah, you didn't get that for me for me. It's always been the wind the feather the brick and the Mac truck.
58:04.28	mikebledsoe	No, you gotta be you gotta be listening to the right thing.
58:23.54	mikebledsoe	The wind the feather oh shit oh shit, did you get it from somebody. Are you reading the same person or did you are you really an originator. Do you even know.
58:12.97	Max Shank	Now I just I just made the whole thing up I never heard of it until just now. But I thought it would be fun to ah, just throw that Monkey Wrench in there because because see for me. Ah I think.
59:01.42	mikebledsoe	Ah, the wind the fact. Okay, we'll throw in the wind now now we've got 4 levels.
58:52.97	Max Shank	It's it's like ah a hypochondriac. The hypochondriac is thinking. Everything is some health disaster and really they were just constipated or something like that and I think the line between Prudence and paranoia is a truly fascinating one.
59:33.18	mikebledsoe	Yeah, um.
59:31.55	Max Shank	Because everybody has a different idea of what is reasonable preparedness and responsibility like the ability to respond or not so it's It's really the same thing like what's the line between prudence and having like a very deep awareness.
01:00:11.44	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah.
01:00:09.93	Max Shank	Of what's going on around you and responding to the slightest stimulus so being a little I don't know hypersensitive versus like hyposensitive. It's ah it's an interesting thing.
01:01:04.60	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
01:00:41.87	Max Shank	So so like to kind of bring us back to that concept of the feather the brick and the Mac truck that what you're saying is change is or or like life. Let's say is giving you signals.
01:01:43.28	mikebledsoe	M.
01:01:19.51	Max Shank	And if you pay attention to the signal when it's really light. It's not going to cause you much harm. But if you if you wait the feather becomes a brick becomes a mac truck when it eventually just absolutely wrecks you.
01:01:57.20	mikebledsoe	Right.
01:02:13.12	mikebledsoe	Yeah, becomes more painful but also the amount of change that you're gonna have to make is probably more drastic so it's a double whammy you got extra pain and and additional work to do like I think about say somebody who is a.
01:01:56.33	Max Shank	Um, yeah.
01:02:52.68	mikebledsoe	A meth at it. You know if they're one weekend and they notice like oh I'm not getting good sleep I'm Jittery I you know I'm not paying attention at work or whatever and they and they go you know what? I've you know I'm gonna check myself into a clinic and I'm gonna kick this thing but then you got the person who's.
01:02:25.25	Max Shank	Ah.
01:02:38.41	Max Shank	For her.
01:03:31.22	mikebledsoe	10 years in you know they're missing their teeth like for them to be able to get their life back on track and get a job and all that is going to be monumentally more difficult.
01:03:25.91	Max Shank	Right? So going past the point of no return basically like how how hard it is. yeah yeah I mean David Goggins is a ah great example of ah.
01:04:07.88	mikebledsoe	Yeah, there's a point you cross where you never getting back? Yeah yeah.
01:04:05.55	Max Shank	Someone who has just made such an impression on so many people I think you know he he just flipped total extremes right? Big fat guy boom now I'm a Navy seal running millions of miles. Oh my foot's broken.
01:04:55.40	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah.
01:04:45.43	Max Shank	Who Cares stay hard and I think that now that Persona has gotten him speaking of winning strategies. So now even if he did say you know what I think a more gentle form of exercise is really the right choice for most people because. You know, Actually you're going to harm yourself long term by just running through these injuries. Ah, he almost can't do that now because he has got this winning strategy as this character and I think he.
01:05:55.24	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah. Well, you know.
01:05:59.77	Max Shank	Wants to be that character for himself and for everybody else I think he's got to be thinking. Wow This is an amazing thing that I am doing here and I'm this guy for myself and for these other folks.
01:06:50.50	mikebledsoe	Yeah I think a lot of people are attracted to it because they yeah they're they're attracted to it and they want to do it. They want to be like it. But I think it's a it's.
01:06:37.95	Max Shank	Superhero shit. Of course it's attractive.
01:07:27.40	mikebledsoe	It's immature in a lot of ways you know there's there's somebody who I saw go through a transformation which was a gary banynerchuk and I don't know if he shifted I Never really heard him say hey I had a realization I'm changing the way that I'm speaking now.
01:07:14.71	Max Shank	He.
01:08:05.50	mikebledsoe	But I watched him shift over like a 5 year period of hustling rind. You know, get out of your mouth and maybe that his audience matured and he needed to shift his his message.
01:07:47.10	Max Shank	Ah.
01:08:00.99	Max Shank	He.
01:08:33.64	mikebledsoe	But it became more of like hey let's work smarter not harder like be kind to yourself all these things Gary Vaynerchuk I mean if you go back and watch videos from ten years ago and him trying to motivate a crowd. He's telling him to like you know, buck up, you know quit being a little bitch and now he's.
01:08:31.53	Max Shank	In.
01:09:09.56	mikebledsoe	He's found a little more kindness in in his approach. So I think there's a that's something that was working for him but he also was able to to mature beyond that hopefully David Goggins experiences the same thing I mean for his sake because I mean if you got to keep that persona on.
01:08:47.84	Max Shank	Right.
01:09:47.38	mikebledsoe	For the rest of your life. It's just hard to.
01:09:21.90	Max Shank	But maybe that feels like good for him. Maybe that's that's exactly what he's looking for he he won't be happy unless there's a ah, big physical challenge and you know who can imagine what it's like to live that guy's life.
01:10:22.44	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, yeah, who knows and there's a place for everybody right? like there's a reason that he's so prolific right now is because there are a lot of soft people that need to hear that message. They're probably sick and tired of being soft or like you know what I'm I'm fat too.
01:09:57.85	Max Shank	Is what I say. Ah.
01:10:21.19	Max Shank	Yes.
01:11:00.82	mikebledsoe	And I don't know what to do about this so you know what? like and I mean I am of the opinion that whatever, whatever the fuck gets you started go but my encouragement is it's never the whole thing get gets you started on being healthier.
01:10:33.47	Max Shank	Right.
01:10:55.17	Max Shank	Whatever gets you started on anything. Ah.
01:11:40.46	mikebledsoe	But you know it got fat shamed Now you're losing weight. Okay, but here's the thing is take it further yeah like take it get up take it further. You know I think people a lot of times. It's It's like.
01:11:22.69	Max Shank	You got fat shamed you got fat shamed.
01:12:15.30	mikebledsoe	The reason you're fat is not because it's not necessarily because you're not exercising enough or you didn't You're not I mean these are the the behaviors you're not exercising enough and you're and you're eating like shit but like there's an entire lifestyle that goes behind this that that needs to shift that doesn't need to be. Maniacal about food and exercise.
01:12:35.29	Max Shank	It's literally just using food as pleasure more than your activity will allow and the reason we do things like that is because we feel like there's something missing and we want to change our state salty sweet fatty cheesy bits. Will will pretty much resolve that immediately. It's not super long lasting but you know Obesity is just a drug addiction that has a really easy to see physical manifestation to it.
01:14:15.22	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:13:47.35	Max Shank	Right. Ah, it's It's like a lot of people are addicted to their phones but it doesn't make you £40 heavier. Oh you're you're addicted to your phone but this other person is addicted to ah like hostess cupcakes. That's we're not getting sponsored by them but just because.
01:14:55.26	mikebledsoe	Not yet max not yet.
01:14:30.53	Max Shank	Just because they're addicted to just God I Hope so sponsored by Twinkie. Ah, but yeah, if someone's addicted to hostess cupcakes instead of the telephone they get fat but it's you're still just. Pulling a pleasure lever to distract from being here and now basically right.
01:15:46.26	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah I Um, definitely use food as a little bit of entertainment and but you know what I've I've figured out how to use my entertainment food. Like I can get really entertained by my food without it being just outlandishly terrible and that I think that's ah, that's a good like like. For instance I eat like ah, a keto ice cream that doesn't have It's like the cleanest one I could find mammoth It's mostly just fat. With a tiny bit of sweetener supposed to just cream and by the way I mean just eating frozen cream by itself is so good. Yeah, and then and then I put put strawberries on it I put strawberries on it and then I put.
01:16:35.10	Max Shank	Don't don't eat that bad sugar. Don't eat that bad sugar fat Only sugar is bad for you. Don't eat sugar Listen there's a killer out there. It's sugar.
01:17:28.34	mikebledsoe	Raw honey on it. Yeah yeah, and then that'll usually beat whatever fucking dessert that's sitting on the shelf somewhere or even at a restaurant like it's actually tastier.
01:17:00.87	Max Shank	Um, very fancy.
01:17:20.81	Max Shank	Well, you know that's great that you have found a strategy that that works for you. Um, for for your mouth pleasure. Although.
01:18:03.82	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah I know it's not your your morning cheesecake that you like to start your day with.
01:17:54.75	Max Shank	I Do like to start with a cheesecake and mocha in the morning if the opportunity arises I'm definitely going to take it. Absolutely.
01:18:46.22	mikebledsoe	Ah, well ordering Chaos I.
01:18:20.35	Max Shank	So with the with the food is it about the mouth pleasure like the the flavor the chewing the swallowing the whole thing I mean that's what helped me like get a handle on the the food addiction I mean it's all good right. Is it that I like the flavor while I'm chewing. Is it like some deeper primal thing where I I just feel good that I'm putting stuff in my belly like there's this primal desire. That's like yeah food goes in this tube this way and then that's a good thing.
01:19:52.64	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well I think I think for me it um like I'm a low appetite person. So yeah, yeah.
01:19:39.73	Max Shank	How nice someone the other day said to me he goes. Ah I've been trying he was at he was at our gym he goes I've been trying to eat more and the idea of someone who had to try to eat more.
01:20:31.44	mikebledsoe	You know? okay.
01:20:17.41	Max Shank	Was so foreign to me ah eating more is my absolute default. Ah the concept of eating less food than I need or even just the right amount that I need is insane like every time I'm eating food I Want more. I Want hometown Buffet I want all you can eat sushi I Want a gigantic porter house with mashed potatoes.
01:21:34.54	mikebledsoe	Yeah I think I think what may be different between you and I is I've been obsessing over the nutrient density of my food since I was about 14 So it's um.
01:21:28.17	Max Shank	A.
01:22:06.66	mikebledsoe	Like yeah I'm in this constant search for the highest quality of what I'm what I'm eating now Super dens. It's a superfood and so the yeah.
01:21:46.59	Max Shank	That's why I just eat bullying cubes.
01:22:03.33	Max Shank	I Think we should try to make that a thing super concentrated beef essence.
01:22:45.88	mikebledsoe	Well, it's kind of like kale kale was like being sold as ah like a garnish for these buffets at Wendy's or whatever for for almost nothing and then it was listed as a super food. It was marketed properly and then ah.
01:22:34.83	Max Shank	Ah.
01:23:20.12	mikebledsoe	The fucking price of it skyrocket. We can do the same thing for Bullyon Cubes I think is somehow you know hate. It's.
01:23:01.79	Max Shank	That would be such an exciting thing to get like all these high level athletes just snacking on bullion cubes. Everyone starts carrying around a little beef pouch salty. Yeah.
01:23:43.38	mikebledsoe	Yeah I think it's a good hydration. It's more like a hydration tool. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but ah yeah I think for me like I've always all I'm like this this quality freak about food and be and like I don't want it.
01:23:46.70	Max Shank	Here.
01:24:21.96	mikebledsoe	I could eat like a footlong Subway Club sandwich like I could do that like don't get me wrong I could do it but but it just it just doesn't like um, there's something about it I Just don't I don't feel satisfied in the same way and so.
01:23:59.59	Max Shank	That sounds good I like a good submarine sandwich.
01:25:01.60	mikebledsoe	When I'm eating higher quality foods like it does seem like it's harder to eat. It's like I get satisfied more quickly So I don't eat as many calories and then I'm also burning through a lot of calories in the day and then if I'm training which I am right now. Are you just the.
01:25:00.83	Max Shank	Then.
01:25:40.30	mikebledsoe	The appetite just skyrocket. But I don't I won't put down just anything So then I end up eating Keto ice cream with honey and strawberries at night.
01:25:17.83	Max Shank	A.
01:25:28.93	Max Shank	Yeah I'll I'll eat healthy food I'll just eat 3 times the volume of what I should eat. It's weird I'll be at a restaurant or something and they'll be like. Do you want any dessert and I'll look at the dessert menu.
01:26:12.40	mikebledsoe	Yeah I think I just have a small stomach some you know.
01:26:06.89	Max Shank	And I'll be like no but I will get another entree instead when it's like roughly this I Really like savory foods so we'll be out. It'll be like sushi or something they'll be like oh you want dessert and I'm looking the desserts I'm go think I'll just have more rice and fish and avocado and that kind of thing.
01:26:59.64	mikebledsoe	A ah.
01:26:42.61	Max Shank	Um, food Huh How about that.
01:27:13.82	mikebledsoe	Yeah, so going back to ordering chaos where we started. Ah I I think that what we're gonna be witnessing moving forward is a lot of people seeking order. There was I was listening ah to.
01:26:55.61	Max Shank	Order up.
01:27:16.30	Max Shank	A.
01:27:52.76	mikebledsoe	Gad sad god sad how do you say his name on Rogan the other day and it was talking about how some of the professors are starting to report that the that the new students in the college in the universities are. Really wanting a more conservative approach to things like they seem to be tired with you know all the the crazy shit around you know like they're being 72 different genders and and all that kind of stuff and so the ah.
01:28:26.15	Max Shank	All that shit is just all that shit doesn't matter. It's just about whether or not the discourse is violent or not I think.
01:29:13.46	mikebledsoe	Well I think that's part of the problem is it's it. You know it's obviously been violent people certain people aren't allowed to talk at universities because they get shouted out and basically forced out So that's chaos. That's that's people's emotional state.
01:28:57.53	Max Shank	Right? wild.
01:29:51.40	mikebledsoe	Overtaking their behavior becoming illogical and then are unable to you know have intepit discourse. So I yeah I think I mean if we look at if we look at what Ray Dalio says if we look at the fourth turning. We look at these things that these people who talk about. These cycles that are going on in the world and I think we're pretty getting pretty close to maxing out on chaos I mean I think the only thing that's more chaotic for for for the american public for for the.
01:30:19.51	Max Shank	Um, what whoa woa I don't know I'm still listening though but I don't know.
01:31:05.40	mikebledsoe	For the American Public's taste for things you think they can take more chaos. We'll see. Um, yeah I could see it going a little bit further I mean but the the only thing that's left is is now and.
01:30:58.23	Max Shank	Um I think of anarchy as chaos like anarchy is chaos that I mean that would be soak I Oh my God I think things like I don't think things are being run well. But.
01:31:40.16	mikebledsoe	No anarchy is different. So ah.
01:32:01.30	mikebledsoe	Boy here.
01:31:36.77	Max Shank	My gosh I think a lot of stuff is still running so smoothly so predictably in such an ordered fashion I mean I hope it doesn't get more chaotic and unpredictable.
01:32:22.40	mikebledsoe	Well well anarchy anarchy just means without a ruler and so it no without a ruler and so it has to do with.
01:32:06.67	Max Shank	Right? Well without without rule isn't it or just without a guy who enforces the rules then.
01:32:59.34	mikebledsoe	God.
01:32:36.89	Max Shank	No.
01:33:08.42	mikebledsoe	Ah, well if you define God by natural law like like gravity like like to me that is the the forces that have put been put in place to create physical order in the world which we don't need. Anyone to be in charge to do that right? like real laws are things that no person has to enforce and so you have natural law and then you have common law which is basically don't fuck with me and I'm not going to fuck with you right.
01:33:47.53	Max Shank	Right? But who's enforcing that is the question. That's what I'm saying So it's ah you know I think there would be a lot more people stealing each other shit if they didn't think there was some like repercussion.
01:34:22.64	mikebledsoe	Well people ultimately have to enforce it for themselves. Yeah.
01:34:43.68	mikebledsoe	Her maybe maybe well here here's wait. There is a reapercussion so here's an example San Francisco has riots how long do they last Minneapolis long fucking time. You know how long they lasted in Miami.
01:34:25.51	Max Shank	That the hired guns could lay in a long time. Yeah, not as long.
01:35:20.78	mikebledsoe	Yeah, about 36 hours and then it everyone went back to order and it's not because they put more police force out. It's because the the ah the police came out and said hey if you own a store on this street. You might want to come out with your gun. They basically encourage people to protect their own property because that's a state in which they honor property rights right? and then right and then but.
01:35:43.30	Max Shank	Which are the only reason we have all these rules in the None place.
01:36:24.58	mikebledsoe	But property rights aren't necessarily I don't think they necessarily have to be enforced by an outside entity whereas in California you have government officials that are impeding property rights so in 1 state you've got the encouragement of protecting your own property like we're not even going to do it. You do it.
01:36:19.49	Max Shank	Right.
01:36:32.53	Max Shank	Right.
01:37:03.90	mikebledsoe	And then in San Francisco they're saying whatever you do don't protect your own property or else we're gonna come after you, you know you can't have a gun if you shoot somebody on your property. We're gonna you're gonna be in trouble. So some people would say that San Francisco has got way more order or.
01:36:46.10	Max Shank	Right.
01:37:42.64	mikebledsoe	Whereas Florida seems a little more anarchist right? where they're encouraging when I think about anarchy it brings it down to there is a ruler and each person has to be their own ruler in which case. So we look at Miami and people would say oh we're just gonna let people kill each other but the the amount of damage that was done and the amount of deaths were really small because what happened was people came out with their guns. A couple writers got shot and killed and then everyone goes. Oh you can't do that or else you might get shot and killed and so they just don't do it anymore. So I think this is a good example of of the order being placed by. You know, an authoritative government is shown to be ineffective. So I think.
01:38:32.51	Max Shank	Um, well yeah.
01:39:31.30	mikebledsoe	Majority of order that's produced people generally want to be kind to each other people generally want to get along in all the research people avoid conflict. They don't They don't do these things they enter into conflict when they think they can be faceless and nameless and they're wearing a mask and and running through the streets.
01:39:24.49	Max Shank	Most people.
01:39:38.77	Max Shank	A.
01:40:09.94	mikebledsoe	With a thousand other people and they can blend in now they become that's chaos. That's that's that's the mob but that's not anarchy. That's ah anarchy would be everyone. There would be consequences. You're held liable for your personal stuff.
01:39:48.30	Max Shank	Um, a mob.
01:40:44.12	mikebledsoe	Just because everybody was doing It doesn't mean that you are um that it's okay to do it So There's a level of individual responsibility that I see that happens with anarchy and I think that this I think that anything that's not anarchy is actually a. It's an illusion because if we if we go up so we.
01:40:58.49	Max Shank	Well hold up every society is an illusion based on a unify unifying set of beliefs whether it's the tree spirit or an eye for an eye code of hamurabi or hey that guy with the big stick is in charge because he can beat up everyone else.
01:41:50.46	mikebledsoe	It's just it's a story.
01:42:02.26	mikebledsoe	Well well the big, the big stick guy is usually what people think about anything about anarchy is like it's like oh yeah, it's a power game right? It's like if everyone's just running around and.
01:41:38.50	Max Shank	Right? And we just do what he says. That's all.
01:41:56.53	Max Shank	Well it it is extra Well if there's no recourse if someone takes your stuff except for your own then everyone is going to have to arm themselves significantly more now I do think that would make a community.
01:43:01.74	mikebledsoe	I Think it would be a much more peaceful community as well.
01:42:33.81	Max Shank	Much much stronger been to Oklahoma I agree completely. Um, people would respect boundaries a little more I believe and if you think that you may get shot. You're less likely to go try to Rob someone unless it's really really desperate.
01:43:32.78	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah.
01:43:12.31	Max Shank	And even then you're more likely to go ask? What can you do you can beg borrow or steal if someone has something you want. You know you can work you can beg or you can take um so I think it has a lot to do with.
01:43:52.82	mikebledsoe	Now.
01:44:05.90	mikebledsoe	Or.
01:43:51.67	Max Shank	Fact that we can get our needs met relatively smoothly and I think if you had let's say a dis because I'm not a fan of how taxpayer dollars are managed at all because that's all government is it's all all of our pooled resources put to work by a few. Ah. Clever folks. But I think if you were to dissolve that whole system. Ah it would be a really shaky turbulent. Ah very chaotic adjustment period because the whole concept of. dollars and cents and retirements and everything would just completely collapse and all of these agreements based on that old system would also collapse so all of your existing contracts would basically be like I'm gonna just not.
01:46:08.66	mikebledsoe	Well, a lot of a lot of these structures are are corporate in nature and so these agreements and so any agreements you have with government I mean it's a corporate. It's an agreement between a corporation and an individual which is technically like unlawful.
01:45:43.21	Max Shank	Do that anymore.
01:46:13.47	Max Shank	Right? But those ah but those agreements are basically just for if you have to go to a court.
01:46:46.74	mikebledsoe	In a way. But.
01:46:56.84	mikebledsoe	Yeah there I got a I got a show coming out with Jesse Elder where he covers the whole going to court thing but the which I think will be interesting but I want I want to take this back to the the idea that that do we live. My argument is we already live in anarchy right? And so the I was thinking about this the other day is so there's a war between well I'm about to explain it. So everyone everyone thinks that there's a rule of law right? like the United States is like it's it's not ruled by men. It's ruled by law.
01:47:21.70	Max Shank	Why do we live in anarchy. Okay.
01:47:46.37	Max Shank	Sometimes.
01:48:14.78	mikebledsoe	And so that's that was that's kind of the concept of the United States it's not necessarily how it's resulted, but that's the concept was to to keep us out of trouble. But if we get outside of the United States and we go global. We have global anarchy right? the.
01:47:57.31	Max Shank	Right.
01:48:53.24	mikebledsoe	There is no. There is no authority that makes the countries behave So some of these.
01:48:32.10	Max Shank	Maybe oligarchy maybe more like an oligarchy than total anarchy like I think there's a lot of power centers and unions and allegiances that guide the flow of the world.
01:49:22.52	mikebledsoe	There are there are the um that that are a lot less oligarchies. Well depends on the oligarch like what system you're using can be less violent. You mean you could say that like Elon Musk is probably None of the most powerful people on the planet. Not probably He's more powerful than most countries. Ah and ah, but all the interaction with him and his stuff is is voluntary. So it's it's a less. He may be he may be in charge of people's minds in a way because he's deciding you know what? they.
01:49:54.17	Max Shank	Which is amazing. Ah, right.
01:50:38.78	mikebledsoe	They may be seeing because he controls that way, but it's not.. It's not overtly coercive or or violent. Um, but if we if we extrapolate out and we go what keeps these nations like what supersedes the nation you know and some people might say Nato UN. Ah, have all these different organizations where these countries send representatives and they jerk each other off for a few days and then go back. Ah these that the truth is is the only thing that keeps anyone from fucking with anybody else is the possibility of total destruction. There's an entire global strategy going on by each country On. You have a few powers that are trying to dominate. But there's all these allies that are created and rules and and and they're generating all this stuff but generally like if you I think people. People are under this false premise of there is law and order that's produced by human beings. But it's completely inaccurate because if we keep going to a larger Magnitude. We start seeing that there's nothing other than brute force and power that is. That is in charge and so in which case I say that that's truly just Anarchy. We already exist under it. But the problem is is we suffer under a ah like ah this illusion because people don't ah. Because they put their trust in the illusion. They never take personal responsibility. They never become their own ruler. They never make their own decisions. They never learn to protect themselves feed themselves provide for themselves and so they're putting the trust in something illusory that can change at a moment's notice. And put them out in the cold.
01:54:07.63	Max Shank	Um, yeah I I tend to think that all ah Authority matters are resolved that way with the threat of total destruction on a micro level and on a macro level. You know the.
01:55:06.22	mikebledsoe	M.
01:54:45.33	Max Shank	Way that individuals are ruled the way that countries are ruled the way that countries rule over each other.. It's always the threat of total destruction and you know self-preservation is a very powerful instinct and I think that's probably what drives ah countries more than anything. Is the self-preservation Instinct of the rulers.
01:55:59.64	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah, gotta be I mean I think that's just everybody.
01:55:39.27	Max Shank	Keep the power get a little bit more keep the power get a little bit more because it never ends it very rarely ends well like the dictator doesn't like ride off into the sunset and be like hey guys I had fun oppressing the shit out of you. Thank you for letting me just go on.
01:56:36.86	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well when was the last time there was a dictator that like died of natural causes and everybody all the your country. The country was like oh yeah, ah.
01:56:14.47	Max Shank	Down the dusty road dude North Korea North Korea one of my favorite front. None of my favorite stories ever I another plug for dictators playbook. Very good series. The story of ah Kim il-sung. And then ah Kim Jong -il and now kim jong un none generation dictatorship pretty good for the modern era he is repressing the shit out of those people's ability to see information and see what other life is like he's smeared the hell out of the fat americans it's incredible.
01:57:29.64	mikebledsoe	Now. Yeah.
01:58:00.28	mikebledsoe	I need to I need to watch this. It sounds.
01:57:33.19	Max Shank	Ah, anyway, Kim il-sung dot died of natural causes. Kim Jong -il also died of natural causes. Kim Jong un maybe eating himself to death. But that's still a natural cause basically like it's incredible.
01:58:25.98	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well what I'm saying yeah but people aren't happy what I'm saying is like has anyone ah as a dictator ever like died and then everyone's like oh genuinely sad.
01:58:17.75	Max Shank	There is way less obesity in North Korea than the United States that's a fact that's a fact.
01:58:57.48	mikebledsoe	Did you did you listen to that? Ah interview Rogan did with um that North Korean woman who escaped at fucking crazy. Totally worth listening to.
01:58:44.51	Max Shank	Um, yeah I did it was wild. Loved it. Dude That's the history of the world is like awful awful stuff like that look at all the like torture shame the the um juxtaposition of. Art and war as ah, vessels for this oscillation between order and chaos is Incredible. We're making these beautiful pieces of art. We're you know, putting together quilts and nice things for people and medicines and then we have like these. Ah. Mechanical suppositories that expand up your anus as torture and you just have these like weird is such ah, an insane level of destruction and violent and then creation and cooperation and you know optimism. I Mean human beings are insane and then a few of them get really insane and are like I will lead these people and then and then I here's what I think happens I don't think this is going to be a very popular take but I think ah. Most of the most of the guys who went and did these insane things. It was really like the whispers of a lady that was driving him. You know what? I mean I think we we cannot. We cannot Blame. Ah.
02:02:04.24	mikebledsoe	Oh yeah.
02:01:53.57	Max Shank	White We We can't make white men the whipping boy of all the evil shit. That's ever been Done. You know ladies men of all colors of all creeds have oppressed people I'm sure that there were Queens who would tease their king about the size of his kingdom. And just nag nag nag him until he conquered the neighbors be like you call this a kingdom This is the tiniest Kingdom. That's what I think yeah.
02:03:07.16	mikebledsoe	I think that was like Alexander the great alexander the great. Yeah and what's her name or is it Ashley and I got this conversation the other day which was we we take we take like things that are really hot. Like unstable topics in society and then we debate them in the car and because she grew up in the bay where there's a very she grew up in a very left leaning view. So there's a lot of opportunity for me to ask her questions just had a curiosity is like okay how is.
02:03:38.67	Max Shank	Ah.
02:04:22.20	mikebledsoe	Okay, this is how I understand this situation. What's the okay, what's going on over there and she tells me I'm like okay have are those people have they considered this so no, okay, cool and so it's like it ends up in a interesting conversation. So one was um, we were listening to a show. They're talking about. Um you know, ah, ah, equity like equity amongst men and women for pay right? who you know men men generally get paid more money than women and so the feminist movement has been. Incredibly focused on money in in regard to things not being fair and so and so that was my that was my so we got in this conversation. so so yeah yeah so Ashley's like you know it's unfair and.
02:05:19.71	Max Shank	They already spend all the money. There are so many reasons for there are so many reasons for this I mean. Okay.
02:06:16.72	mikebledsoe	And I was like I was like well have we talked about all the contributing factors to why it might be that way and then the number one? Well the None thing that I came up with not came up with but like the None stat that we looked at was ah okay. So men make how much more money on average and women for the same type of work. Okay, well, who spends the money who who spends more money. It's like well the women spend 70% of all the money on.
02:06:44.45	Max Shank	But there there are like 10 different reasons that things usually are this way if it was so clear cut as like the Twitter sized argument would have you believe then every smart businessman would just hire women I would save.
02:07:45.74	mikebledsoe	Totally.
02:07:24.37	Max Shank	I would save 25% on my ah payroll and I would be because if it's the same job for ah 25% less money. You would be a fool not to do it. You would have just factories. You would only have women employees. It would only be women working ah like why wouldn't you why wouldn't you no no, it's it's stupid. It's just another distraction. We have so much more in common.
02:08:32.48	mikebledsoe	That's that's a really good point or because of discrimination people are are misogynist What it's It's ah it's a. Well the thing the thing is is people people will they look at the result and then they they that that's the explanation. Oh. There's not this so it must be.. It must be that that person that men are generally bad at you know that are generally misogynistic.
02:08:37.10	Max Shank	Ah, then we have different.
02:09:41.72	mikebledsoe	So There's this like the proof for a lot of people. The proof is in the the lack of equity versus getting into all the little things that might contribute to that and you make a really good point because you know what? if if I could get away with that I do the same thing and. And then you could like claim to be nobles like oh I I Only hire women and and in the background you know you, you're making more money That's not necessarily I don't see in the conversations I yeah.
02:09:53.91	Max Shank	Um, yeah.
02:10:09.43	Max Shank	It's just like a different type of sexism I mean I don't think I think more than people being like pro-man or pro lady or anti-man or anti-lady people are just selfish understandably. So. You're the only None living your experience. You're the only one responsible for it if you can get a few extra points of street cred for talking shit. Why wouldn't you I mean we talked about how effective lying is talking shit is so effective I mean do you think Tom Sawyer painted the fence. No. Sweet talked the other kid and said hey wouldn't you like to paint this fence I will trade you the opportunity of painting this fence for that shiny red Apple you got and so he's there eating the Apple while this guy is so happy that he now has the opportunity to build a fence so people are just. Selfish and they realize that they can talk to get attention and energy and that kind of thing instead of work and there are so many I mean my god we could talk all day about this like alleged discrimination between men and women. But um. This is a contest that nobody wins there's no way to win this discussion because it's like hey did you know that men kill themselves 4 times more than women they're like no I didn't know that is like well can you just like fucking eat the quarter and like. Not worry I mean we're dying 4 times as much at our own hand like is it really? So amazing. Yeah.
02:13:43.26	mikebledsoe	Well 98% of workplace deaths are men as well like I it's like is what.
02:13:27.69	Max Shank	But but that's that's the whole point is like people just do what they want to do that's all and quite frankly, you know if you're a lady you can just get really hot and nice. But if you're a fella I mean I guess you could do that too like you could be a cabana boy. Type of ah life strategy I've considered it I've done the entrepreneurship thing for a while but I've also considered what if I put the same amount of dedication to being like a really like goodlooking Kabana boy right? and just like teach yoga classes by the pool of some like rich lady. And my whole responsibility is just like oh a little more suntann for you I'll whip up a little ah sandwich for you there like that's totally a strategy and maybe I would earn more doing that than what I'm currently doing so. It's fine, but it's just that usually the way that a guy shows.
02:15:33.80	mikebledsoe	Maybe maybe.
02:15:21.39	Max Shank	Ah, dominance in the hierarchy is by making lots of money That's usually how it is and then if you like get the gender roles confused sometimes you have people chasing things that don't even feel good to them. They just do it because they think they're supposed to and that's.
02:15:54.00	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah, yeah.
02:16:21.18	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
02:15:59.83	Max Shank	I think that is ah actually really scary spent a lot of energy getting something that you didn't even want in the None place.
02:16:31.36	mikebledsoe	You know. Yeah Jordan Peterson was talking about a ah ah a concept that women are just generally more intelligent than men they they are generally have more opportunities at. Through childhood and adolescence and because guys tend to only be really good at None thing and then they throw themselves completely into it and engineering might be a really good example of this is men are were sport men men.
02:17:15.75	Max Shank	Or sport.
02:17:54.79	mikebledsoe	We'll use engineers for as an example, why do engineers get paid more than women. Well most engineers didn't do.
02:17:32.81	Max Shank	Well not, they don't necessarily. It's just engineering people get paid more than nursing people typically.
02:18:13.58	mikebledsoe	Well well why are there more male engineers than female engineers This was this was this was the question being talked about and now I'm gonna give it to you but but the the the thing that he was proposing is that.
02:18:00.59	Max Shank	Are you looking for an answer. Are you going to give it to me. Okay I have ideas.
02:18:51.76	mikebledsoe	Women have more opportunities through their youth because they're generally more intelligent and don't dedicate themselves wholly to None subject whereas men tend to be a little less intelligent and in a broad and a broad amount of subjects whereas. And it has less to do with like level of intelligence versus being able to be intelligent at a lot of things versus just None thing so men at for a lot of engineers. They they sucked at english history. All the stuff that wasn't mathematics. But then there's a lot of women who were pretty good at mathematics. But they were also really good at english and. History and all these other subjects so there wasn't this this force of focus in order to be become valuable. So I think that between between you know, if you look at just math mathematicians out in the world like the highest levels are men but.
02:19:57.17	Max Shank	Yeah.
02:20:47.10	mikebledsoe	Women are generally if you were to look at the averages. The average woman is better at it than the average man but men tend to to live more at the extremes when it comes to these things and so that person's more likely to get to become a high paid engineer than the average woman and so.
02:20:34.29	Max Shank	I see ah.
02:20:48.79	Max Shank	Um.
02:21:26.68	mikebledsoe	Um, because women have the argument he was making is because women have more opportunities than men they actually may not get completely focused into a ah vocation. That's gonna pay really really well and the other thing is to the point you were making earlier is. Men are generally generally ah judged on their their finances and their financial success and women are generally ah their status comes from being beautiful and so if you're a woman and and.
02:22:05.31	Max Shank	Or the or the niceness of the Shark cuttery board that they can lay out.
02:22:45.48	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah for that that would be the case for me my girlfriend won me over with sharuery boards.
02:22:24.29	Max Shank	Like for a like party planning like that's ah that's a skill that among the other ladies I don't think I'm being crazy here. That's a skill where everyone else would be like man look at that meat and cheese plate. There are dried apricots on there that looks that looks amazing right.
02:23:20.64	mikebledsoe	Yeah, but but if you're a woman and you have many different interests and you don't dedicate yourself into a single field and then in the background. There's also this the majority of your focuses on status that involves beauty as well. So you have this social.
02:23:26.97	Max Shank	Oh right.
02:23:58.20	mikebledsoe	Social pressure being beautiful and then you also have a lot of opportunities academically and then you got guys are like you know I just got to get good at 1 thing and they just throw themselves at it and so that that's 1 explanation of like why there might be some discrepancy.
02:23:51.85	Max Shank	I Think it's I think it's even simpler I think that men and women generally get pushed a certain direction and guys who might naturally be more creative. Get funneled into something that is more utilitarian and women who might be more math and science and technology oriented might get diverted off toward like barbies and art and that kind of thing. Because I think that's just the the natural momentum of our culture is that girls do girly things and guys do manly things and so it's just when there's an intersection of your preference. However, that was derived and your ability.
02:26:18.54	mikebledsoe	I Mean that's generally true.
02:25:55.17	Max Shank	Yeah, and that's also why ah you know nurses are typically women and they're a little bit more nurturing and interestingly enough I think it's a really interesting. It's an interesting example because I think that is. Ah, much more difficult skill to replicate with technology this idea that you'll be Able. You'll be able to diagnose with a supercomputer with I would imagine tremendous accuracy but the.
02:27:10.60	mikebledsoe	Yeah, not possible.
02:27:05.50	Max Shank	The bedside care and the nursing and that sort of thing seems really hard to replicate with ah with tech I think Ais are gonna doctor it up and the nurses there's just gonna be a bunch of ladies doing a great job. Um, you know.
02:27:46.70	mikebledsoe	Yeah, the ai is going to do that anytime soon.
02:28:10.94	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well there, there's um, well that.
02:27:43.61	Max Shank	Talking and listening chatting doing skills. It's a high so that's that's and some things just don't get rewarded very well like nursing holy fuck. Okay, that's the perfect example I think it seems like None of the hardest jobs around you're in a pretty scary place all the time. Working pretty tough hours with difficult people quite frankly, right? and and you're like getting okay money. It's like okay but talk about difficult.
02:28:57.52	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
02:29:08.40	mikebledsoe	Now Now incredibly yeah I wouldn't want to do it. It sounds terrible.
02:28:59.53	Max Shank	I Don't even like being in hospitals. It's like my one of my least favorite places.
02:29:38.28	mikebledsoe	Yeah, let's wrap this bad boy up where we.
02:29:17.65	Max Shank	Okay, so today's show was called chaos we tried to bring order to it but we just couldn't figure out a way to put it in there. Ah ah well they define each other.
02:30:09.16	mikebledsoe	Yeah, we didn't really talk about order much.
02:29:57.50	Max Shank	Right? We talked a lot about the hierarchies in society I think that order can bring a lot of peace to your life. Um, so maybe the the takeaway I would wrap up with is. Dose yourself with some chaos do some? Ah do some tough conversations with someone have like a heated debate and do some roughhousing and playing that is introducing chaos in ah in a safe environment and then you know bring. Bring order into your life by trying to automate as many things as you can to make your life easier. So maybe there's those None things what I would say keep it practical.
02:31:54.12	mikebledsoe	Know well sudden. Yeah, but both are necessary. Nothing to be Judged. You know having order and not good or bad chaos. Not good or bad. Both are necessary for the development of culture. It's necessary for the development of human beings we go through these phases. And I find that it's it brings a lot more peace when you're in when you can acknowledge what phase you're in and go oh it's a little chaotic if I want things to be different and you know what's the order I want to create and just being being aware of these things can help you move through things a lot more. Smoothly max where can they find you.
02:32:55.55	Max Shank	http://maxshank.com or at max shank.
02:33:27.90	mikebledsoe	Check me out Instagram at Mike Underscore Bletso and you can check out things at the http://bletsoshow.com I also got a summit for the coaches coming up in June if you want to check that out. Go to shop dot destrongcoach dot com. But y'all loving next.
02:33:42.73	Max Shank	Bye later.