Unburdened Leadership with Mike & Max

00:00.00	mikebledsoe	Well I think we should record now then you got 2 Eight week puppies a week old puppies. Yeah, you don't seem much like ah.
00:01.45	Max Shank	Yeah,, let's do it. Puppies are great. Yeah, ah. I don't seem like a dog owner at all. And in fact, so far I have not been.
00:13.52	mikebledsoe	No.
00:19.17	mikebledsoe	What did she do to you.
00:22.92	Max Shank	Made me an offer I couldn't refuse I guess I mean it's it's funny. Um, we talk about basically on this show. We talk about benevolent selfishness not in so many words, but basically do as good for yourself as you can. Well doing good for other folks and I've never wanted to have the responsibility required but I love dogs. Someone brings a dog into the gym and I'll just play with it the whole time I'll completely ignore the people right? but. I don't know there's a really nice, beautiful connection between beings between a person and a dog and Lindsay my special lady friend. She ah she just fell in love with this dog right. And I watch the two of them together I'm like man I don't want to because Lindsay and I cohabitate so I don't want to stand in the way of that so I was like ah I guess you can have a dog and it can live at the house but outside basically and then. Within 1 trip. Um, it was put on the table like we should take her her brother also so a pair of dogs and that seemed really nice and i. Kind of started to question all the resistance I've had toward that because resistance is a funny thing. It's either the exact right thing and in fact, you should experience a lot of resistance toward stupid risky behavior ah like jumping off cliffs. With no safety equipment. It's not really a reward there. The resistance to do that is is a good thing. It's a safety mechanism but basically ah I thought it would be good to to shake things up a little bit might as well go to instead of one also is. My thanking.
02:32.35	mikebledsoe	Yeah I think it's kind of like it's probably easier have 1 or 2 kids instead of 1
02:41.43	Max Shank	It's like ah, an energy balancing thing I feel like um, it's ah, a boy and a girl puppy and of of course I'm a boy and my lady is a girl I shouldn't say of course I mean who knows I could be whatever I want to be but it's like ah it feels like a good.
02:55.73	mikebledsoe	It's right can make it up anytime you want.
02:59.18	Max Shank	Yin Yin and Yang balancing so husky pomeranian mutts they're adorable. They're the cutest dogs ever seen. Yeah, one of them is and 1 of them is not.
03:00.66	mikebledsoe	Yeah I love that what kind dogs are these.
03:08.70	mikebledsoe	Wow They probably are furry.
03:17.77	Max Shank	It's they would don't even look like they're from the same litter.
03:18.69	mikebledsoe	Ah, interesting. Yeah, we're looking to getting a dog I think we're gonna end up getting a pit. We want to get like a big tough dog and like a little tiny. Yeah and then I have like a little tiny Yipper you know.
03:22.26	Max Shank	1 1
03:28.67	Max Shank	Ah, defense dog.
03:35.27	Max Shank	like like fuck what's his partner's name like Lenny in of mice and men and then the little shorter smart guy kind of you know I'm talking about ah man it's like ah there are these 2 guy.
03:37.24	mikebledsoe	So.
03:46.78	mikebledsoe	Now.
03:54.39	Max Shank	Someone and Lenny in of mice and men anyone who's read that book and remembers it is laughing right now because Lenny is this ah mentally challenged guy and then there's the who's huge and then there's the much smaller guy who basically. Calls all the shots and Lenny's like I like to pet rabbits and you know that kind of that kind of thing so you got the big. You got the big dog bringing the muscle and then you got the the smart dog.
04:13.33	mikebledsoe	Right? Yeah, yeah, so. Exactly exactly we'll make it work. Yeah um I had an interesting weekend. The ah my my fiance and I did a little couple's Journey. So.
04:25.00	Max Shank	Yeah.
04:38.14	Max Shank	Oh.
04:40.88	mikebledsoe	We took some special medicine. That's really good at opening the heart and creating more connection. So we had an all day experience together. Ah a variation variation which is.
04:46.47	Max Shank	Is that mdma.
04:55.35	Max Shank	Mdma is like hooking up your heart to an electrical socket. So.
05:01.45	mikebledsoe	Ah, yeah I took ah a variation of that slightly different. Ah it's it's better for 1 on 1 connections or connection to self if you were to take it in a big group. You would kind of find yourself being a little more hermit versus mdma.
05:11.60	Max Shank	Oh.
05:19.90	mikebledsoe	Where you're going to want to you know, be friends and make love to everybody? Yeah, so um, it's yeah, but.
05:20.70	Max Shank	Love everyone? Yeah right? What a horrible drug. What a horrific side effect you, you're gonna want to love everybody ban. It.
05:35.30	mikebledsoe	Ah, it's really difficult not to love everybody? Um, but it's it's a really good experience for um, you know, even though Ashley and I have had an enormous amount of personal development work and and. Ah, communication work and all these things and and we're probably we're we're definitely in the the point zero one percent of couples on communication and yet even though we're there with sobriety. We use a substance a heart opening substance. And you know we just start digging into areas that we weren't willing to or you know I think I think that these these medicines are so um, things that are really working on the serotonin. You don't really There's there's a level of presence that you're able to stabilize for a period of time there where it allows you to get deep with somebody so beyond just the being really happy and loving There's also a heightened a much heightened level of of presence and so I got to learn a lot. Yeah, a lot of openness. So like.
06:33.91	Max Shank	Oh.
06:42.95	Max Shank	Sounds like openness to yeah.
06:49.50	mikebledsoe	Like I'm open to hearing a prefer experience and she's open to sharing I'm open as open to listening. It's ah it's it goes both ways if 1 of us was using it the other unpleasant we wouldn't get nearly as far. Yeah.
06:51.50	Max Shank	Right.
06:59.15	Max Shank	Huh unless one of you was super enlightened and able to be very open on command I think that's that's why people say that comedians are modern day philosophers. Because that's ironically like None of the only people we listen to because you use humor and it drops a person's guard so it like opens them up in the here and now so they actually take it in rather than lecturing to someone where I don't know if you tried it, people don't love that they they close up.
07:21.81	mikebledsoe	Yeah, so.
07:29.80	mikebledsoe	Yeah now.
07:34.57	Max Shank	Real quick and so that's kind of like a bit of a psychedelic experience for someone to ah catch you off guard with the surprise of humor so much that it rocks your balance off center and so you're like whoa and you just fully like take that. That bit of information in and you know this openness and boundaries thing makes me think about ah the openness to to welcome new lives into my home. It. Ah it feels already like a psychedelic.
07:53.64	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah.
08:06.10	mikebledsoe	And.
08:12.64	Max Shank	I mean puppies are drugs Man are you kidding me now I'm like gonna love this thing Yo I'm like fucking rocking and rolling right now. It's insane. The fact that I've even accepted this I mean last week I would have never even considered it every time she asked I was like now I'm like I'm a.
08:12.94	mikebledsoe	Oh yeah, you're gonna be high for at least six months you got it? yeah.
08:32.27	Max Shank	I'm a cat I'm a cool cat I'm a fat cat I'm a fucking cat I don't want any other things around I don't want to love anything else. That's why I told her I was like I don't want to love anything else, but it can happen really fast and that openness right? So what you're saying.
08:41.16	mikebledsoe	A Ah yeah.
08:51.30	Max Shank	With the medicine which is ah an exogenous substance. Basically that's taking you to that level of openness that is required for let's just call it complete communication where there's no like. Coversion right? oh.
09:10.10	mikebledsoe	About as complete as you're going to be able to get I mean if there's another more complete way I would love to be you know, be with that. But um, what we so fast. Well here's the thing is like I'm willing to share a lot of things.
09:20.62	Max Shank	So fast too.
09:28.97	mikebledsoe	Because I have some of the things I haven't shared up to this point because I'm afraid of how she'll receive. She'll receive it and when I'm having that experience and feeling this way I'm like well if she were to share if I were gonna were to share something that's triggering now's the time to do it because this't gonna be she.
09:33.90	Max Shank	Ah.
09:42.40	Max Shank	Wait till after you get married man. Forget it.
09:46.60	mikebledsoe	Is when she's gonna be the most open.
09:51.39	mikebledsoe	Ah, yeah, yeah, but yeah, so we had a nice time. It created a lot of closeness. Um and gave us like a really clear vision of where we're currently standing and where we want to go together and.
09:52.88	Max Shank	Ah, just put it off till later. It'll be. It'll be fine.
10:00.45	Max Shank	Yeah.
10:08.66	Max Shank	Whom.
10:10.70	mikebledsoe	Yeah, it was really really beautiful and I mentioned all this because it brought up because I know you and I like to have create distinction and we like to look at the juxtaposition of 2 things and the contrast of things and her and I both really care about.
10:29.40	Max Shank	E f.
10:29.94	mikebledsoe	People right? and we really care about helping people and being of service to people I know you are too and None of the the differentiating factors between how it expresses between her and me which I think expresses similarly amongst a lot of men and women. Is. She tends to really focus in on the individual like how do I how do I help this individual heal or how do I help this individual. You know, live out their best life and all that and whereas I'm much more concerned about humanity as a whole.
10:56.12	Max Shank	Um.
11:02.77	Max Shank	Move.
11:08.39	Max Shank	Totally.
11:08.76	mikebledsoe	How does how are how a society can benefit from how this person is behaving and so what's that what? well yeah, it's.
11:15.53	Max Shank	I can relate I can relate. It's a bit grandiose isn't it I can absolutely relate the that desire ah for for like it's so exactly me too. It's a big difference of scope.
11:26.81	mikebledsoe	Well well, that's where I'm making decisions from it's it's you know like I want to help this person but I'm not going to sacrifice the people around them in order for them to get what they need like they I want them to show up in a way that's good for everybody. Not just for themselves.
11:35.94	Max Shank	Oh.
11:43.53	Max Shank	Oh interesting I I took it to mean like she enjoys helping people 1 on one and you have this vision of being broadly beneficial to you know None or None or something like that. Oh.
11:58.39	mikebledsoe	No, no yeah I think that's I think that's also true. Um, but yeah, my my desire to help there I used to have the desire to help millions of people and and I know I've touched maybe close to that I don't know.
12:03.20	Max Shank	Misunderstood.
12:16.21	mikebledsoe	Ah, with with some type of message.
12:18.77	Max Shank	Depends if you count ricochets which I do and then and then like you've probably affected like a billion people right? I count ricochets. Ah.
12:23.10	mikebledsoe	Totally totally Rick let's count Ricoche's here I'm going to keep that one. Yeah, ah.
12:31.23	Max Shank	Ah, me too that was good that was like a little easter egg for us today.
12:37.11	mikebledsoe	Yeah, so um, ah so I think that men and this isn't you know there are no absolutes here. But I think men in general probably think about humanity as a whole and and women think about the individual and that's probably why women are. Going to be much more compassionate to a single person having that's down on their luck versus a man who's more like you know we need to clean up the streets. You know we look at the we have ah a homeless population in Austin Texas which is um, improving. It's getting smaller because.
13:12.25	Max Shank	Wow.
13:15.21	mikebledsoe	The citizens of Austin got together and voted a little over a year ago to create a camping in the city ban. Um, because years ago the the city decided to make it where people could camp in the city which created.
13:29.17	Max Shank	Yeah.
13:32.37	mikebledsoe	Ah, tent you know several tent cities around town that were just insane and and there's still an issue but you know like we're in the car regularly and these people are on something that's causing them to scream at people that don't exist on the street while holding a sign to try to get.
13:33.78	Max Shank	Um.
13:51.88	mikebledsoe	You to hand them money and um, it's you know and she's like well you know can we help this one person and I'm looking around going. How do we clean this shit up because like you know how much how much do you give this person.
14:00.40	Max Shank	Who.
14:11.52	mikebledsoe	Over time. How much help do you give them before you say look We just gotta push you to the outskirts. We don't know what to do with you like you are your responsibility and you're causing problems for other people so where is that line where we're sacrificing the whole we're sacrificing you know.
14:18.54	Max Shank	Yeah.
14:28.59	mikebledsoe	Many individuals because 1 individual can't get their shit together and it's um so it's it's very interesting to me. Yeah, it's just an interesting place to be is because I I what I'm seeing is if I care about humanity then I have to. Ah.
14:31.95	Max Shank	Totally.
14:47.89	mikebledsoe	The the best place for human the thing that creates the best place for humanity as a whole is when if each each individual is taking on personal responsibility and so.
14:55.80	Max Shank	You see that as just the best option was that the word used. Yeah.
15:02.36	mikebledsoe	It's probably optimal like if if humanity as a whole is going to flourish that would only happen under the circumstance of every individual taking personal responsibility. But what we have is a lot of people caring about.
15:12.41	Max Shank	Yeah.
15:18.71	mikebledsoe	You know the feelings of 1 person and trying to get everybody around them to mold to what they desire sacrificing 20 people to make one person happy. It's very interesting.
15:26.49	Max Shank	Ah, right? Well, it's all about it's all about so our our ah species is the the compassionate caring species now. We're still savage animals like a lizard dinosaur. Ah, baboon right? But we have this super high level of compassion which is the only reason ah and desire for connection emotionally and intellectually which is why people painted on cave walls. And left their handprints. There. There's no reason to do that unless you want another person to see it this desire to like leave your Mark and be part of the tribe and sustain and so that's also very easily leveraged to make absolute bad choices. But ah comparative good choices and it relates back to what we were talking about I think ah, it made me think of ah self versus system and I'm also very much system oriented like I it's hard for me to pick something specific to care about. Because the first thing I do is I see how it's connected to a none other things like like world hunger I always come back to this I'm like how is that even possible world hunger is impossible unless you're fucking with the ecosystem. You know what? I mean.
16:56.77	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
16:58.60	Max Shank	Like there's the right amount of creatures for a certain area or they overeat and then they under reproduce and it like has this normal recycling effect. So if you look at the big system. Totally so the difference between looking at an individual.
17:07.50	mikebledsoe	Ah, the the planet is abundant with food.
17:17.80	Max Shank	Person versus the system I mean look it's not good when someone shoots up a school. Let me be clear I don't think it's good when someone shoots up a school I think it's bad just so there's no confusion here but all but also um, like.
17:28.54	mikebledsoe	Okay, okay.
17:36.28	Max Shank	Let's just shut the fuck up like it becomes such a hot button story but it's such a low amount of the whole system right? So now we're like a fraction of a fraction I mean you could do the math like what's I'm not trying to.
17:45.62	mikebledsoe	Right.
17:54.53	Max Shank	Make light of the situation right? But it's None out of 350000000 people when you know a none are dying of diarrhea or something like that. It's like or fucking mosquitoes are taken out way more people than depressed teenagers with firearms. And so it's like we really don't it's so rare to see people think in systems because ironically the system itself is just taking people on a wave where they care about None thing at a time but they care about it with their whole heart. And they use none of their brain to think about the system at play here and they're like I care about Ukraine this month I care about George Floyd this month I care about police brutality this month or ooh I'm suddenly interested in Afghanistan again because they told me to be like what. What the fuck man I get it.
18:50.75	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well, it's very and it is very interesting because I I don't know if it's just because I'm paying attention in a different way or things are actually have actually sped up the. The news cycle is perfectly paced to keep people distracted and if you try to stick with I'm like Afghanistan right? The Afghanistan issue went on the Afghanistan issue went on way longer than it was reported to have gone on. Ah.
19:13.33	Max Shank	Yeah, a trillion miles an hour
19:26.83	mikebledsoe	News about ukraine is dying off actually a lot of the news is now turning into the Ukrainian troops are are you know hiding in civilians' homes and Civilians are getting killed and they're they're breaking international law. But then the. The journalists are kind of like softening it Up. It's like yeah but they kind of have to and it's like no, that's fucking Illegal. Um.
19:48.42	Max Shank	Um, there's a huge reason like it's so good to just look through an abbreviated version of the amendments like 1 of the None rules is no fucking troops can stay at your house and like these people were smart.
19:55.77	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, and that's a Us thing but that's also an international thing.
20:05.91	Max Shank	I Mean these people were smart putting these rules together. So there's there's a reason and and you said it here's how it ah shakes out right? yeah.
20:12.90	mikebledsoe	Yeah, things degrade and when troops starts staying in homes and ah you know their job is to protect the population and now they're just putting the population in danger so that the gangsters in charge can win. And yeah.
20:29.70	Max Shank	Martial law mob mob rule.
20:31.51	mikebledsoe	And so yeah, and you know people are just jumping from None thing to another so I'm just pointing out in that news cycle. How like things have to shift in order to keep people distracted and you're right? It keeps them from thinking about the whole system. It keeps them from thinking about. Like why are we always in some type of pickle like the amount of like the fear cycle is just insane and um, you know I don't really? ah.
21:00.27	Max Shank	Because it pays because it because it pays I mean all of this is related to what you said about people making decisions on an individual basis. I mean it's very possible to run a tight ship as a dictator right? but. It doesn't rebalance as quickly or easily as when we're all just adjusting to the natural rhythms right? You vote with what you pay attention to you vote with your dollars you vote with who you spend time with and if you're always.
21:27.14	mikebledsoe	E.
21:36.45	mikebledsoe	It's ah it's a slower. It's a slower and smoother evolution for everybody the the centralized decision making can be very herky jerky it can it can create whiplash and often does.
21:42.81	Max Shank	Yeah, oh no.
21:52.15	mikebledsoe	Yeah, they get results quickly but how much harm is done in the process when when you're decentralizing the decision making like you're talking about it definitely creates slower reaction times but they're usually safer there. Any Danger is. Isolated to a single area and isn't replicated amongst the entire system and um people have a higher level autonomy which means that people are also experiencing the feedback of their behavior in a much tighter system that allows them to become you know, attain more knowledge and wisdom.
22:13.19	Max Shank	Oh.
22:28.26	Max Shank	O.
22:29.87	mikebledsoe	Ah, without being robbed of that by having their decision making diffused over the entire population.
22:35.22	Max Shank	Yeah I really think of it like a shock absorber. Basically ah, it just has more ah more little shock absorbers rather than just 1 linchpin where one guy is calling all the shots and of course it's always the guy who.
22:38.99	mikebledsoe	E.
22:52.93	Max Shank	Desperately wants the big chair and the big stick which coincidentally is the only person who should be disqualified from that position entirely It's just like it's good to remember with all this stuff. It. It is just mob rule based on a popularity contest. Like that's crazy. So I think it's um, maximizing attention but minimizing action. So if you have a news cycle. That's so quickly. Um with writers who know what fucking sets your ah heart and balls aflame ah they're going to. Use the software to even readjust and so there always have something that is commanding a tremendous amount of your attention but they'll never um, give you time to do any action about it. So you you have like None attention and zero percent action which is good if you're. Meditating about your unity with the universe but it's pretty shit if you're like watching people get murdered and bombed and.
23:58.29	mikebledsoe	Yeah, well I think this puts us in a very precarious situation. So um I think you and I both agree that that the United States as far as a group of people is probably the most advanced. Um, the plan is I say the largest group that's the most advanced politically government wise. It's a big you know 33350000000 people are all participating in a yeah for this.
24:20.30	Max Shank	That's such a huge group. Yeah I would say it has the best infrastructure for the most part.
24:33.36	mikebledsoe	You know, a lot of times people like to compare what's happening like the Netherlands to here or Denmark. It's like it's like those people have like ah like less than 10000000 people in the entire country. We have 330000000 this is a different. It's a different situation. Um.
24:36.20	Max Shank	Or Norway Norway. Yeah, right. Right.
24:50.70	mikebledsoe	But you know just just the fact that our country is based on on a philosophical these philosophical concepts of natural law. You know puts us ahead of the curve in a lot of ways. Um the expression of that. Yeah, so.
25:00.79	Max Shank	And it makes it more difficult. It makes it more difficult because it's a bit of a fractured culture Also like I think one of the things that I think that's why I interrupted you. It's so important I think I shouldn't do it anyway. But it's so important to recognize that.
25:11.63	mikebledsoe	In.
25:18.98	Max Shank	In America. The only thing that united us was a desire for freedom to manifest your own destiny now if that includes you know some native genocide then I think we were basically okay with that at the time not now. But at the time that was okay. But so that's the unifying idea but we don't have a culture like let's say Norway or let's say Japan some examples that I think of off the top my head where that there are so many things that are done that are not done because it's the law. Or even because it's profitable. It's done because that's what that culture does and that sort of unity makes things run way more smoothly.
26:00.68	mikebledsoe	Yeah. Yeah, well and everything comes down to narrative and so what we have in the United States is you know Ah the United States was like the beginning of the decentralization of of power of personal response. Of responsibility. It's a decentralizing of that and it's just continued to decentralize decentralized decentralize and what's happened now is there's been a decentralization of narrative and we have you know human beings for none of years grew up in a. With a lot fewer people a lot fewer interactions. We're exposed to way fewer narratives and variations of that narrative and if you go to somewhere like China or Russia I guarantee you that narrative is pretty fucking tight. There's not a lot of variation from. Whatever the top is telling the bottom and it creates a lot of unity like if everybody were buying into the same narrative. This is what hitler was able to achieve you know at the the early years he unified everybody with a common narrative.
27:02.67	Max Shank	Ah, right.
27:10.45	Max Shank	Totally f.
27:19.96	mikebledsoe	And everything went pretty well until you know he took control of all those people's minds and decided to take it sideways. But this I think a lot of people you know, either consciously or subconsciously are. Upset and I imagine a lot of people in these government agencies with ah a lot of these Intel agencies think that it's their job to create a common narrative to unify everybody even if it is reducing things like freedom of Speech. Um, and we know that by reducing things like freedom of speech that just leads to tyranny. Yeah.
27:58.62	Max Shank	The ends justify the means the ends justify the means I mean whenever you get someone with a grandiose idea like that Hitler Napoleon whatever it doesn't matter. They will. That's why I think orwell said it was the most dangerous type of guy because they think they're. Ah, justified in what they're doing. They think they're the hero so they'll commit atrocities thinking that they're the good guy and then there's no way to work them out of that idea and they think oh god that's why you know with everything happening I'm i. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if some really clever people. Ah for good reasons were like we need the world to stop working the way it does because if they believe a story that we are destroying ourselves and the world. Um, you know 7000000000 people plus this giant. Ah, ball or disc. You're on depending on what people are thinking now. Ah the turtle show. Yeah, it's half. It's a half dome. That's a great place to visit by the way half down in Yosemite. Beautiful 10 out of 10 recommend but I would.
29:00.32	mikebledsoe	The turtle show. Um, if.
29:15.37	Max Shank	I could totally get it especially as a systems thinker if I could push a button right now and murder 1000000 people and it guaranteed utopia for the remaining ah billions I would be an asshole not to do it almost right? So if you have that belief.
29:30.59	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
29:34.92	Max Shank	You're like I gotta fucking rape and kill these people for for for the greater good and whenever you hear greater good that that should be like if you hear the word greater Good rest assured you're gonna be bleeding from the Asshole soon. Either literally or metaphorically.
29:53.00	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, so it it becomes concerning because I think that even though America and the ideals that it was founded on is create a situation where we have decentralized narratives and. And infinite narratives and variations of those narratives I mean you've got on. Um one side you've got say something like mainstream media and on the other side you have q and on and q and on is putting out None narrative and in ah in a very convincing way the mainstream. Media is putting out ah narratives and neither one of them are correct and both of them are probably just as far from the truth as the other one is and but then you have all these other variations and ah.
30:42.90	Max Shank	It might be the truth from their perspective by the way like it might be false information but they might believe what they're saying which means they're telling the truth but they're telling a falsehood. Also.
30:50.85	mikebledsoe	Of course. Yeah well I mean I like to define truth is just what has happened and what is happening and people's ideas or perceptions about the truth are are not the truth.
31:06.59	Max Shank	I call that a fact good hard hard to have 1 You can't have a complete one either. That's the problem.
31:08.86	mikebledsoe	So yeah, there you go? Yeah very few people have any facts. Um, yeah. Ah, yeah, so we we we were're in this really strange predicament predicament as americans and what triggered this thought for me was ah the other day China basically cut off like none of. Communication and interaction with the United States and basically said we're not going to participate in our military is communicating and all this stuff. This was ah Friday and I was like oh oh I've been in conflicts before and when one side goes.
31:46.80	Max Shank	How exciting.
31:55.77	mikebledsoe	Silent That's bad juju that's like everybody contracts everybody starts preparing everyone starts wondering who's going to strike first. These are these are these are the thoughts that run across people who are in conflict so people in the military. What do you think.
32:07.40	Max Shank	Winding up.
32:11.66	Max Shank	Move.
32:14.71	mikebledsoe	China Goes silent. What do you think the American military does fucking getting ready just relaxing launch hairs. Yeah yeah, so yeah, just give some space I need some space. Ah but I get thinking about it and I go Wow I look at um, ah.
32:16.51	Max Shank	Probably just just relaxes. No big deal. Yeah, they're fine. Give give them time. Give them some space.
32:34.64	mikebledsoe	You know if you go to say Ukraine right now like there's not a lot of slobs hanging around Ukraine or Russia there there might be some drunks but there's not a bunch of so weak slobs and you come.
32:46.21	Max Shank	Well, they're not a lot of weak people because they just can't be I don't know what you mean by slob but I definitely agree that if you're in an environment that doesn't permit it. It's kind of like that idea about world hunger like if you're in a place you're eating if you're in a really harsh dangerous place. You're tough and you're eating or you're dead. It's like when ah when that Ufc guy. Ah Kabib you remember him and I remember I was just watching because he was like trained in the mountains by his dad who was like a fourth generation. Wrestler.
33:05.10	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, so like.
33:24.61	Max Shank	You know and he's just like running up a mountain with boulders when he's like 4 meanwhile you know you could have someone who's raised in Orange County and who's like you know I think I'm going to get into some kickboxing or something like that and they might meet in the same place like in the cage. That's just funny to me.
33:36.98	mikebledsoe	Right. Yeah, no, no and and depending on the sport you know 3 minute rounds the orange county guy might do all right? but I bet if he took it to 20 minute rounds you know we're in a different.
33:44.26	Max Shank	They're like not the same creature. Basically.
33:57.22	Max Shank	Right? Yeah, yeah, it was kind of like ah rocky versus Ivan Draggo also right rocky is just training in the barn with big hunks of wood and the other drawgo in the science lab getting injected with stuff and there's like a.
34:00.73	mikebledsoe	In a different place. So ah, yeah, yeah.
34:13.37	mikebledsoe	Yeah, typical russian.
34:17.10	Max Shank	Super computer on the on the wall. Yeah is awesome.
34:20.54	mikebledsoe	Um, did you ever watch ah was it icarus the documentary on the russians doping program. It's really good. It's really good. You should check it out. It's on Netflix. So.
34:29.57	Max Shank	Now sounds amazing.
34:38.22	mikebledsoe	So I look at this and I and I look around in the United States and I'm I'm thinking I mean you and I both have been trying to help these people you know, get their shit together and there's a lot of people that need to get their shit together or it would would it be better for the rest of us if they got their shit together.
34:56.73	Max Shank	Who are we talking about now just people.
34:57.23	mikebledsoe	And um, you know if they did something you know people who think that they're doing their duty by getting a vaccine instead of just taking care of their health. Overall so a lot of fats. There's a lot of slobs getting ah vaccinations instead of just.
35:03.77	Max Shank	Oh shots fired folks to totally.
35:17.10	mikebledsoe	Creating some type of interest about their overall health or learning about how their body works. So.
35:20.26	Max Shank	Yo that that's a shocking funny thing I mean it's tragic also like I never hear I got to get this out though I never hear ads anywhere but I clicked on the radio because I didn't have my like. Ah, phone on Bluetooth It's it when it whatever I'm listening to the radio.
35:38.42	mikebledsoe	He's poor folks easy listening radio.
35:42.69	Max Shank	Ah, and I heard like a fucking a fucking jingle like a little jingle song about how you should get your kids this shot and it's like yo what the fuck I'm I'm just I'm listening to this I'm like are you fucking kidding me. Like how how is this it it sounded like I was listening to mother Goose Barney on sesame street talking about how you should you know fucking inject your None ar old with this experiment for for what the fuck and. Bet a lot of people do that and that thought made me really sad that thought made me really sad because I was like what no don't and and I realize that is what's happening.
36:24.30	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah.
36:31.84	mikebledsoe	Yeah, was I think they created laws where like um, serial companies can't make can't target kids with like cartoon advertising. They basically can't advertise sugar cereal to kids anymore.
36:45.97	Max Shank	Yep.
36:50.65	mikebledsoe	But they're doing it with pharmaceuticals which is fucking insane.
36:52.98	Max Shank	Why can we advertise pharmaceutical I mean I'm a hardcore capitalist when I get right down to it. But Jesus Christ like that. But then again, then again you I still have that strong belief that the customer is always right? So it's not too. Ah. Like fight against these companies. It's to illuminate and like help people understand how to apply some logic and I think a big part of it actually relates back to the openness that you and I were talking about you have to be open to not know what's going on to be. To be wrong and you have to be open to the idea that the people who are in charge of both countries and companies may not in fact, be having your best interest at heart. So you got to use your critical thinking a little bit.
37:48.93	mikebledsoe	It's the only thing you have that's gonna that's gonna help you out like you can't rely on other people. Um well going to like ah I'm with you on the whole like you know both by the us being capitalists and that we believe in. Voluntary interaction between individuals and that means if someone is going to create and make a drug then I have every right to purchase that from them and there's no one has the right to get between the None of us on creating that transaction and here's the thing is with the. Pharmaceutical companies in the us. Yes, ah the us and New Zealand I think are the only None countries that allow pharmaceutical companies to advertise at a citizens through media and the rest of the countries don't but here's the thing is not only have they allowed that to happen. Which I think that people should be able to run an ad for anything they want ah but they have also cornered the market. There's an entire agency from the government called the Dea who harass people who are and kill and and jail people.
38:47.82	Max Shank	Agreed agreed.
39:01.64	mikebledsoe	Who are selling drugs that they don't think should be sold and so you have an entire agency that their job is to squash out anything. That's not the pharmaceutical companies. So the pharmaceutical companies have leveraged the violence of government. While also creating deals to be able to market. So. It's a double whammy if you were to say okay, we're going to open up the entire market and everyone can advertise like if I want to advertise my cocaine if I want to advertise whatever it is you know or Lipitor or whatever it is. And that would actually cause people at least should cause people to to activate their critical thinking because now they have to go? Well, what's the difference between these two things and ah. Because right now they think the difference between those 2 things is None is safe and None is not safe and it's not safe or safe based on what somebody else thinks so they don't even think about they don't even think to do the research on it and so there's um so going to. Should people be able to advertise I say yes and we should do away with some people getting preferential treatment from the government that that is giving some people more rights than others.
40:27.39	Max Shank	Agreed and here's how I'm gonna tie it back to what we were discussing about openness and relationships and your experience. So there's this concept of nonviolent communication right? where you're not um.
40:42.55	mikebledsoe	In.
40:46.64	Max Shank	You're not an opponent.. You're a collaborator and in a country or a nation or a state of some kind. Ah they have a system of laws and the law is basically when the violence comes out. So imagine if you're in a relationship. And you have to use the threat of violence to control this party all the time that it's basically like the more you have to use the stick the more fucked you basically are you really shouldn't have to enforce. That many things with violence but ah, nothing is more effective. Certainly imagine if like every discussion you got into with a romantic partner. You were like blah blah blah.
41:34.21	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
41:43.48	Max Shank	Or I'll fucking beat you Yo I've never hit a woman unless she asked me to however, ah, there's like I would win easy in a in a in a fight. Of some kind if that was possible to just be like hey I say this goes or I will beat you like of course if you don't have any critical thinking. You'll just do that every time but it's pretty asshole move. But that's what law is it's like fucking do this or.
42:17.38	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah.
42:21.47	Max Shank	We will Imprison you or kill you or what the fuck ever and the irony is that it's all of the people who hide away from society the most who are voting the people in to control the people that they're. Afraid of because they're a little too free right? ooh that person might do a bad thing. We need more drugs off the streets. They got to stop with those violent video games. It's like fucking busybodies across the board. But ah you, um, you mentioned a good.
42:40.31	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
42:58.20	Max Shank	Ah, tonic for that realization which is to recognize that there's there's really no such thing as law. It's just consequences right? You do whatever you want? You know you're 100% free to do what you want all the time and there are just consequences right? I find that.
43:14.54	mikebledsoe	Yeah, like.
43:17.71	Max Shank	Find that a very ah, comfortable way to live and it's also very accepting too because then you go everyone else is always free to do as they like and talk about the burden. That's off your shoulders because look these people these busybodies These are not happy people.
43:35.29	mikebledsoe	Now.
43:37.17	Max Shank	These might be the most ah mentally ah tortured people ever because they have all this attention. They have no action within their own lives and they're just trying to gain control by leveraging the violence. Of a more powerful entity right? So They're not powerful themselves. They're just trying to diminish everyone else because they're always afraid that someone might do something that that's not a happy person. That's that's no way to go. You know we got Avoidance. We got exposure right.
44:08.57	mikebledsoe	Okay, now.
44:16.98	Max Shank	Avoidance is a path that only leads you to an underground bunker where you are in complete control of the environment. But also you're completely trapped complete exposure is you just have no discernment so you probably walk off of a cliff or get eaten by a tiger or what the fuck ever. But. Um I think part of what makes the slobs or the weak people is they engage in a little too much avoidance and not enough exposure.
44:44.97	mikebledsoe	Yeah, agree.
44:51.78	mikebledsoe	Out of thought that I lost but it'll come now we talked about um, rejection or acceptance tolerant. Yeah.
44:54.27	Max Shank	Is it about openness and acceptance we talked about that last week right the difference between tolerance. Yeah I mean it's this is a perfect example of that.
45:09.50	mikebledsoe	Yeah I.
45:18.82	Max Shank	Comes come.
45:19.49	mikebledsoe	This this cuts out the pauses. That's okay, if we pause.
45:25.12	Max Shank	In my normal life I do way more and longer pauses than on a podcast.
45:33.84	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
45:38.96	Max Shank	Also have a different agenda.
45:50.20	Max Shank	So what did you learn from your experience the one you were telling me about. Yeah.
45:53.33	mikebledsoe	Which one with my lady. Um I learned a lot I learned that you know we we we we. Did a question prompt which was tell me a story I wrote it up on a chalkboard tell me a story about a time you felt fulfilled and then just kept asking each other about stories of fulfillment and looking for patterns and so.
46:22.51	Max Shank	Oh.
46:28.61	Max Shank	Ah.
46:31.46	mikebledsoe	Um, was like oh okay I see a pattern of fulfillment for myself I see a pattern of fulfillment for her. It's like okay if we want to experience more fulfillment moving forward. We should probably do things that are similar to what made us fulfilled in the past and.
46:47.95	Max Shank	A.
46:50.54	mikebledsoe	Yeah, there's definitely patterns of that that was that was really cool to dive into you don't have to take anything to answer these questions or journal about that. But um, it does help and so that was really really beautiful.
46:58.46	Max Shank	A.
47:07.76	mikebledsoe	None of the things I want to I want to cut back over to is my concern and ah, we're kind of jumping back and forth. But my concern is we have ah an entire country of people who. Can't agree on a single narrative or even 2 or 3 narratives and then you have countries like Russia and China who have that single narrative and even though we may be because society progresses and as the pendulum swings between organization and chaos.
47:42.21	Max Shank	Boom.
47:44.24	mikebledsoe	Definitely in a chaotic place and when we're experiencing chaos. It's a great time for someone else who's experiencing organization to take advantage of the people who are in chaos. So that's my one concern is even though we're we are advancing. We are weak during the advancement and um, you know when I heard the news that China Cut Off Communications I was like ah you know I've never seen the country more divided what a what a perfect time to.
48:14.98	Max Shank	Oh.
48:20.50	mikebledsoe	To pull out more tricks.
48:21.19	Max Shank	So when you say concern. Ah, that's like ah low grade fear perhaps of something specific ah happening because of that lack of open and ah.
48:40.71	mikebledsoe	Yeah, absolutely got it? Yeah yeah, yeah.
48:41.80	Max Shank	Congruent communication. So you're concerned maybe about like war. Yeah yeah, War is not that Cool. You know how earlier I was like really anti-school Shootings I'm also very anti-war. I Know it's a bold stance to take.
49:03.89	mikebledsoe	Ah, yeah, Wars Funny man. It's just um, people just not getting along people people wanting to rule over ah over other people is what it comes down to.
49:16.50	Max Shank	You know one of the one of the most consistent thoughts I've had is like you know when you're a kid at least in my experience when you're a kid and you see None people fighting and you know there's no need for them to be fighting. Like you have this perspective where them fighting is retarded. It's stupid. There's no need for it. You know you have this unique perspective where you can see what each of them want but neither of them can see what they want. Like they're just blinded in this like cloud of dust and one of the most prevailing thoughts I've had as an adult has been this. This is just ah, a failure to communicate everybody needs to just settle down like relax. We all want basically the same thing but it's it's so surprising. That's the most lasting idea it just seems so unnecessary for people to speak to each other with such venom and it seems like. All these disagreements are basically manufactured. Um, yeah, it's ah I used to get really sad about that honestly and now I I kind of like that. Ah, that quote that ends up. Where you try to change your nation realize you can't try to change your city realize you can't try to change your family realize you can't try to change yourself and you're like man if only I'd done this sooner. It would have had that ricochet effect on out and ah. Mentioned in the past how the the distance between your zone of awareness and zone of control is like your feeling of powerlessness. So if you're aware of like a thousand problems globally which is like I don't know whatever. Twenty Thousand Miles Pi are cubed or squared or some shit like that I don't fucking know I don't I don't remember surface area of a sphere right now but your control area is very small. It's like five feet versus you know. None of Square Miles
51:45.30	mikebledsoe	Totally I've um, I've been experiencing like the the most grounded groundedness I've had in my entire life the last year and a half I just get more and more grounded and one of the results of getting more and more grounded is. Getting much more in touch with that reality of the only thing I can change is me and ah mikeness. Yeah, yeah, well because before I was had some grandiose thoughts about how I could make a.
52:04.85	Max Shank	Of this.
52:13.78	Max Shank	It's an it's a type of accept acceptance I think.
52:23.55	mikebledsoe	You know, a really big impact by you know, being really influential and and you know having a lot of followers or whatever. Yeah, like I know what to do.
52:30.88	Max Shank	I'll fix it I'll fix it. That was what I thought I'll I'll fix it and then ah I'm like I'm like just like those ah fucking grandiose big chair guys. It's like the same thing I Just don't want a big chair I'll fix it I'll fix it.
52:40.86	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, yeah, just do what I tell you to do ah so fuck your ideas. So you know I um I just got become less and less concerned.
52:47.54	Max Shank	Yeah.
53:00.12	mikebledsoe	I keep up with what's going on I don't let it dominate my my thinking you know it's 1 thing to have awareness or to learn of what's going on around the world. It's another thing that dwell on it. Um, and I become much more focused on what I can impact immediately like you know how.
53:03.76	Max Shank	So.
53:20.20	mikebledsoe	Comfortable Can I make my home. That's a sanctuary instead of you know, trying to worry about like I don't care if I drive a fancy car I need where I spend the most time at my home people come to my home people come to my home and they go Wow this.
53:22.79	Max Shank	Ah.
53:29.29	Max Shank	Right? You got different values.
53:39.45	mikebledsoe	Place is really nice and comfortable. It's not It's not a big expensive home. It's ah it's a moderate home. It's a middle class home. Ah, but it's not but we've created a vibe inside that just. Very welcoming and peaceful and calm and so Ashley and I when we go out in the world. We we have this calmness and peacefulness about us and people they want to know how we do things and you know we get really strong reflections about us. And the thing is neither one of us are going out to try to teach people how to be much I mean this is about the extent of it right? Ah put a band man. Yeah there you go.
54:21.53	Max Shank	What is a good man but a bad man's Teacher. What is a bad man but a good man's job.
54:32.36	mikebledsoe	Ah, so you know the the thing that I keep circling ah since becoming more grounded is really the idea of leading. By example, if I'm not if I'm not happy with how other people are behaving then who I want.
54:45.84	Max Shank	5
54:51.40	mikebledsoe	Everyone else to be I have not fully embodied myself in a way that it's noticeable or I haven't done it long enough or repeated the behavior enough for people to take note or the benefits of taking those behaviors I haven't been doing it enough in order for people to take note but I'll tell you. That the majority of benefit that I that I think I have helped people achieve has been through modeling and because people learn through modeling they create their desires are created because of modeling and and.
55:25.57	Max Shank	Absolutely.
55:29.40	mikebledsoe	For me to think that I said something in particular to get somebody to a specific goal is that is incorrect. You know if I if I wasn't living my life a certain way. People wouldn't give a shit about the words that I was using and in fact, they're probably modeling.
55:38.91	Max Shank	On.
55:48.47	mikebledsoe	A lot of my behavior but are giving credit to the words that I use because people people want. That's the logical things like oh I heard this thing and then I put it in place and now that's logical. But I think.
55:55.16	Max Shank	Ah, well, you're.
56:03.60	Max Shank	I fixed it I fixed it and what it's what's funny is by being a model you unburden yourself of the responsibility of getting them to behave a certain way and you're not burdening them with a fucking command.
56:05.74	mikebledsoe	Most who are learning through modeling.
56:17.29	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah.
56:23.29	Max Shank	So You are completely unburdened. Ah because you're not trying to force them to be a certain way or manipulate them to be a certain way. People think the word manipulate has a lot of a negative connotation and it does but really, that's all we do. Is we manipulate the world and people for our benefit and sometimes for others.
56:41.84	mikebledsoe	Yeah I think well I had a conversation with a woman yesterday about this. She was talking about manipulation I was like well I like to create the distinction between influence and manipulation and ah in it with influence I am I am.
56:50.23	Max Shank	Um, yeah.
57:00.75	mikebledsoe	Making somebody else more informed about something so that they can make a better choice for themselves. Manipulation is I'm likely trying to make them less informed or confuse them in a way so that they'll do do the behavior I'll do not because they have ah a greater understanding.
57:04.25	Max Shank	The.
57:20.37	mikebledsoe	So that's yeah, so it's like instead of thinking about it as just like a spectrum of manipulation and say no manipulation is this thing and influences this thing they're very different in my mind So when I'm approaching people. The question I have to ask myself is you know.
57:20.83	Max Shank	It's like fraud. Yeah.
57:31.10	Max Shank	Yeah, yeah.
57:38.41	mikebledsoe	If you're if you're going out and you're going to talk to a girl are you are you practicing influence on the date or are you manipulating And yeah, that wasn't for you that wasn't for you. Um.
57:45.79	Max Shank	Manipulating for sure I mean wait wait that was oh that was a rhetorical question. Got it? Yeah oh got it I mean I.
57:53.95	mikebledsoe	Yeah, but I mean this happens a lot and like people talk about marketing and they're like they're like oh marketing is so manipulative I'm like well what kind of marketing are you doing? Are you.
58:04.31	Max Shank	That's why I bring up machiavelli do the ends justify the means if you believe in a product this is an easy argument to make if you believe in a product you should be willing to say anything to sell as many as possible. That's one way of looking at it so you could totally. Ah. Forgive psychologically ah any kind of what might be considered a dirty tactic but I want to ah touch on something None things actually before we move on 1 one of the things that is taken away one of the burdens that's relieved by just being the example. Is. You're not lusting after your own acceptance I'm gonna say that again. So you're not lusting after your own acceptance because what you're doing is you are looking to have someone say you fixed it or you did it. Or whatever. So instead of lusting after that now that desire's gone and if you look at it from a zen buddhist ah framework that desire being gone is going to bring you a lot more peace and a lot more clarity and a lot more flow. You're not going to feel that burden like. Oh I got to I got to like remind myself that I'm good by helping this guy and then another thing you said, um, that was related to being the example and you said it to me like ah.
59:23.62	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah.
59:36.73	Max Shank	It was at your house out here. It was a long time ago. It was like maybe five to seven years ago and yeah, he's been enlightened for a long time. Ah you you it was just about it just was one of those times where I was very receptive and I listened and i.
59:43.17	mikebledsoe	I've been enlightened for a while. All.
59:53.98	Max Shank	Started putting it into practice. A lot was I stopped listening as much to what people were saying and more focused on how they were being and now what I'll do sometimes is I'll I'll just try to listen to the noise that someone's making and look at their posture.
01:00:10.37	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
01:00:11.72	Max Shank	And I'll try to look beyond the words and see do they go up and down and up and down with their talk and ah du and is their music ah did and you see how the how that flow is kind of coming out. Ah it's It's really interesting to see how people are being. Ah. Because I think that's actually a lot more honest than what that because people are very tricky like have you ever Seen. Ah a really good actor fucking say any word combination and their expression on their face will trick the shit out of me my god.
01:00:46.28	mikebledsoe	That it's insane. Insane. Oh yeah, the the tonality thing is interesting. So your time about body language. Um, you know if somebody has really poor posture hunched over. Um I start I start.
01:00:49.99	Max Shank	Yeah.
01:00:56.98	Max Shank	And.
01:01:04.88	mikebledsoe	Noticing when they're more hunched or more open which may be rare that they're open. But oh wow they they don't feel safe or they have a history of not feeling safe and they just haven't had the physical restoration of their body. Um.
01:01:06.16	Max Shank	O m.
01:01:14.94	Max Shank	The.
01:01:23.46	mikebledsoe	It' not like like whatever is happening energetically takes a lot longer to manifest physically. And yeah me too.
01:01:29.28	Max Shank	I Used to cross my arms all the time all the time all the time and I would do that thing where you flex your knuckles into your arms from the from the back so that ah your biceps look a little bigger and your little forearm. Extensor muscles look bigger so you get these? Ah, It's like the standard personal trainer photo and I look back at I look back at all these photos I took and every single one I've got like fucking sunglasses ah under armor ah shirt that's skin tight. And my arms are crossed and I'm like that guy doesn't want anyone to know who he is that guy So now I'm super sensitive to it I notice when I see people cross their arms I think it's a really funky posture the the arm crop. Yeah.
01:02:10.62	mikebledsoe	Be yeah, exactly just.
01:02:23.65	mikebledsoe	We're putting the hands in pockets too.
01:02:27.00	Max Shank	What what do you do with your hands though. You can't just be like Ricky Bobby like I don't know what to do with them.
01:02:31.45	mikebledsoe	Yeah, there's something about and there's a military thing. There's no hands in the pockets. Um, and what I noticed from years of not hanging out with hands in my pockets is. There's.
01:02:37.26	Max Shank	Yeah, yeah, 1
01:02:47.69	mikebledsoe	Hands in the pockets is a really safe place to put your hands when you're insecure about like having a more open posture. It's like it's like halfway open and yeah it is kind of strange sometimes I I have to find things to do with my hands every once in a while I'll let myself put my hands into my pocket.
01:02:56.22	Max Shank	Yeah, interesting.
01:03:06.46	mikebledsoe	Only when I know that um you know it's not coming from a place of insecurity. It's like I'm hanging out my friends I just feel like putting my hands in my pocket I'm gonna fucking do it but it it is something that I was I overdid until I couldn't do it anymore and then that's when I recognized oh this is something that.
01:03:10.34	Max Shank	Yeah.
01:03:20.31	Max Shank	What.
01:03:26.63	mikebledsoe	It's a safety you know it's my safety blanket to put my hands in my pockets and kind of hard to be ready for shit when your hands in the pockets when you want to you want to be running down the road.
01:03:30.20	Max Shank	That kind of curiosity Impossible I mean unless you got something good in there then it's even better.
01:03:41.66	mikebledsoe	Running down the road with your hands in your pockets. That's that's when people knock their teeth out. No.
01:03:42.17	Max Shank	Oh yeah, yeah, that's not good, but if you got something interesting in your pocket and could be a great spot. Hey now. Um, yeah I think.
01:03:50.27	mikebledsoe	I've always got some interesting in there. So.
01:03:58.80	Max Shank	The curiosity we're talking about about posture I mean look it's no, It's no mystery that you and I are are nerds about things like this about communication about the way the body moves about integrating the body mind heart The rest of them Chakras and so. I Think that's one of those things that can accelerate that openness if you so curiosity is such a ah powerful force of moving into the Unknown. It's the difference between the unknown being scary and the unknown being exciting. And interesting. It's like an a curious is an opportunity forward right? It's the exact opposite of fear right? which is like ah a threat an unknown threat oncoming versus an unknown opportunity oncoming. And we're talking about using different medicines to do that. The other option is to be extremely invested into what you and I are talking about. So I Think that's one of the things that is attractive about using different medicines like I'm. I'm ah experimenting with some puppy medicine right now I have a feeling it's going to ah increase openness probably patience Positivity Ah love Perhaps I I don't know yet. It'll be really interesting to see how that. Changes my paradigm but I think that's really the the pull of those different medicines psychedelics. Whatever cocktail you and your witch doctor can concoct um, is because it can. Increase your connection and alleviate burdens very quickly. It's like you can either get high by doing breathing exercises and going for a run or you can get high by smoking some cannabis or crack or something like that. You know there are a lot of there are a lot of ways to do it. Sometimes you just have something That's a little more push button so to speak and short term. Well but the effects are long term a lot of the time I mean the walls aren't melting forever.
01:06:12.79	mikebledsoe	Yeah, and short term. Totally totally if done well now that would be terrible.
01:06:26.20	Max Shank	Thankfully, but but you get the you get the alleviation of some of that that guard that dropping of the guard and openness is what allows you to. See some of the filters that you've put on kind of coming back to the stories like I feel sad when I talk to people and I see them hardcore into one narrative or the other because you know, um, there's basically nothing you can say that will resolve that and I I Think. Can pick up on queues and I know a lot of weird facts. But ah once someone's locked into a narrative like that. It's very tricky to get out unless they themselves are getting curious and then you have a chance to take away some of those layers but I think sometimes.
01:07:15.54	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
01:07:22.89	Max Shank	Using those substances can sort of accelerate that process.
01:07:25.50	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah, it causes a can cause a pattern interrupt I think most people that they're in a pattern that whatever narrative they're in is a pattern of thinking feeling behaving and most people no matter how much. Information may be counter to you know this being a good idea or or whatever they can't seem to break it until there's a pattern interrupt you know, somebody somebody ends up with heart disease or cancer or something like that like wakes some of its pattern interrupt is like oh I can't keep eating the banas.
01:08:00.40	Max Shank	Car accident for my mom car accident changed her life. She wasn't injured the car was totaled but ah the whole trajectory of her life changed and she was in her fifty s I mean she was already like a fully baked human so to speak.
01:08:04.25	mikebledsoe	Car accident. Yeah.
01:08:12.20	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah, so as it it.
01:08:19.90	Max Shank	So anything that changes. It's kind of like the only absolute is relativity so you and I our stories are just in relation to everything that we understand so we're like part of a ah net and um so I think we're like None musical note. And when you get together with ah lsd you strike a different chord than if you do heroin and if you hang out with puppies or if you drink coffee like I I drink coffee basically daily um some sometimes I'll skip for like a week or something like that. But I've been pretty. Hot on coffee for at least like six months now and I I enjoy it It's just a different ah chord. You know I'm a note coffee's a note boom play them at the same time. That's this different type of resonance and everybody needs and likes different things like these two puppies. Different personalities. None person should have coffee None person should probably do a microdose mushrooms or something like that. There's not a one size fits all for everybody which is also why those ah dictatorships inevitably piss off so many people. Because not everybody wants the same sized solution right.
01:09:36.58	mikebledsoe	Yeah, yeah.
01:09:40.82	Max Shank	Who So here's what I'm thinking I think we want to do a show about ah all the stuff that we like and I want to do a show called unfair advantages.
01:09:42.14	mikebledsoe	And we should wrap this up.
01:09:54.23	mikebledsoe	I Think we were talking about that last show and I forgot that unfair advantages and what else.
01:09:58.97	Max Shank	I'm all about it it like man. It's totally unfair. Ah just a show about stuff We like we. We just only talk about stuff we like I would love it.
01:10:07.89	mikebledsoe	Ah I think people would actually love that I think that would be. There's so many things that I love that I want to share with people that sometimes I'll share something I love and they're like oh man. Um, and I realized I wish I could have gotten this information to this person sooner or so many things.
01:10:16.40	Max Shank	Yeah.
01:10:24.38	Max Shank	Totally yeah, all right? Yeah so I think that'll be good ah man that was fun. What are what's what's our take home message today really curiosity openness.
01:10:27.24	mikebledsoe	Yeah, all right I'll make a list I Like that idea.
01:10:39.80	mikebledsoe	Ah, yeah I think there's ah, there's a thread of communication and violence and the better we can communicate the the less we may experience violence there was a term that you were discussing which is. You know, releasing the burden and the phrase that came to my mind was unburdened leadership so leading by example is an unburdened way of being a leader and I think I'll name a show that and so so how do you be a leader without feeling all that burden.
01:11:04.10	Max Shank	Um, who I like it right.
01:11:18.85	mikebledsoe	Just lead by example and mind your own business seems pretty pretty easy. So those are my big takeaways from today's show
01:11:20.55	Max Shank	Yeah.
01:11:26.73	Max Shank	Yeah, and get curious about why you might be holding onto the rein so tight like like follow it down with the five Y's like why am I trying to control so hard on this ah closedness it was something I examined myself with dogs. Um.
01:11:40.29	mikebledsoe	Um, yeah, yeah.
01:11:46.69	Max Shank	Like I had I had always resisted it super heavy and I was like well why? what? What am I really afraid of here and is ah it's good curiosity and unburdened leadership I think are yeah, that's good if you can do that Honestly, you'd be.
01:11:53.82	mikebledsoe	Yeah.
01:12:03.77	Max Shank	Way better off and then Mike and I can feel good because we will have helped you and the ricochets will carry em off through our entire society and then we will finally be good. So thank you guys for listening. Love you guys! Love you Mike bye.
01:12:23.35	mikebledsoe	Legit. Love you Max Talk later.